Gran Turismo 7: An update from Polyphony Digital

Details on player experience improvements, upcoming patches.

[BigBosss]

After what we saw from Metacritic's and all the backlash xD

[DarXyde]

Yes, but that is all we can ask for.

In a perfect world, we would not need to get to this point, but keep in mind that people run these companies. It's a collective of flawed individuals. Fortunately, Sony has done exactly what I expected them to: address their blunder. As I mention sometimes, their leadership structure is progressive enough that they're not imperturbable, but they are stubborn.

They don't deserve much praise, if any, for this though. Just like with Microsoft and the price of Live, you all made this happen. Here's to you all, holding them to account.

They'll try something else. I can feel it. Maybe with another game... And let's be ready for that.

[k2d]

The trains left the station on my part. I'll have to wait and see how well they do to build back their trust.

[Eonjay]

@k2d

The thing is, you aren't supposed to trust a company (especially a corporation) at all. You have to understand, the function of a corporation is to maximize the returns for the investors. This isn't a bug its a feature lol. OUR job as consumers is to let the company know when we are unsatisfied with the value we see in our investment. Thats our function. Its not a trust thing. It never will be. The dynamic between company and consumer must be maintained and by nature is supposed to be contentious. This is not supposed to be a friendly relationship. And that is fine. This is the process.

[DarXyde]

k2d,

And you know, that is very fair. If you're a business, you have an obligation to do well by your consumers, unless you really don't care. Sony does, and I think that's why you're seeing the change in attitude. They really tried to wait out the storm, and it isn't working and it's getting worse.

I cannot say enough how important it is to hold their feet to the fire. Something my folks did when I was a kid: they'd make me tell them about the things I didn't like about my favorite superheroes. Took me forever to understand that they were trying to tell me that no one is perfect and no one is above criticism, no matter how awesome you think they are. When you're dealing with a business, failure to push back is silent and obedient consent to accept what you get. I'm really proud of people for telling Sony to shove off, even if they're cranking out excellent (arguably the best) games.

They lost your trust, and I don't think that is unreasonable at all. It was a terrible move and we can how they learn from it.

[darthv72]

Why is it so hard for them to totally remove the online requirement and make more stuff accessible for offline players? it's as if they didn't really want to release GT7 and instead a GTS2.

[neutralgamer1992]

I want to say so much of negativity around PlayStation now a days is because of Jim Ryan. He seems like a numbers only guy. And let's be honest the way PlayStation had been doing even before he became CEO anyone could be the CEO and it would be do just as well(I feel like under layden and Jack it would be better because both are very charasmetic)

Same guy who said we believe in generations, gamers don't want to play older games, free upgrades than sneakily tried to charge and now made it clear with $10 upgrade fee

I understand and I also believe in generations but due to the pandemic business has shifted because supplies are limited

Gamers would love the opportunity to be able to put in their PS2/3 disks into a next gen PlayStation and be able to play them and in my opinion that would be a huge feature

If you don't want to offer free upgrades that's why but give a clear message. This way there is no need to back track

Eonjay

With PlayStation it always felt different because up until PS5 they have had some very pro gamers running the company. Kaz himself with his strong team basically saved Sony as the ceo. Jim Ryan just feels like a suit

Their recent acquisitions also show they are looking for the next big Blockbuster that can live on as a live service for years to come. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that but don't forget what makes PlayStation special is the fact it always had very diverse lineups

[Eonjay]

@darthv72

I don't know why but I would like to see the community contiure to pressure PD to add more options for offline play. I think this is necessary to guarantee the longevity of GT7 and concordinately our investments.

[kayoss]

@Eonjay,
What Polyphony did was bad and make them look really bad. But you statement about not trusting companies is a bit short sighted.
You buy health insurance, Car insurances, banks, You go hospitals/Kaiser, which are companies. You have to lay your trust in them correct. I mean, if you dont, you wouldnt be a customer right?

[0hMyGandhi]

" It's a collective of flawed individuals."

I mean, sure. But most companies are like raptors testing fences. As they say, "It's not a bug, it's a feature". It wasn't a mistake, it was a calculated decision. It always is.

[Name Last Name]

Great changes but they really kept mum on the online-only complaints lol

[LamerTamer]

That is baked in now. Even if they patch in the offline mode it still requires an internet connection to get the patch. This means when they pull server support for the game even having a physical disc is useless.

[CaptainHenry916]

Still one of the best GT games I have ever played regardless of the always online feature. I still think the game is great but I totally disagree with the always online feature. I think it has to stay always online for longevity

[Charlieboy333]

At least they listen and make changes as opposed to another 'gaming' company that seems deaf. I would personally like to thank all the Xbox cheerleaders for lending us your voice and helping make this change through your review bombing and constant flooding of social media with your 'concerns'. Now if only you would have applied that same microscopic-level criticisn to the games on YOUR system instead of guzzling the contents of Phil's gonads, you might actually have had some awesome games to play right now. Instead all you can do is act like little girls who are jealous because the quarterback took another girl to prom and the best you can do is spread nasty rumors about her. Yep, that is exactly how we see you.

[fr0sty]

I'm happy to see them address the payout issue, but they aren't even mentioning the online-only aspect, which should have been one of the first things they addressed. Even if offline play didn't affect your online progress in any way, but still worked for one-off races, I'd be ok with that, but making my game unplayable if my net drops out is crap. This isn't some arena FPS that requires online to work. It's a racing game.

[IRetrouk]

Glad they listened, seem to be trying to regain our trust atleast, the updates sound good and I'm deff happy with the free credits, cars and tracks, really wish they would drop the Mt's though..

[BigBosss]

im happy with the selling cars. I hope its not for very cheap though.

[IRetrouk]

Yeah I'm glad the option is being put back, I agree, fingers crossed they are fair prices

[ForNgoods]

With them harping on how they want to set car values based on real world values then it would make total sense for them to do the same with real world used car values (which are insane currently) right? Otherwise it was all bs to begin with. Let's see what happens.

[Levii_92]

MT's ? I don't even know where you go to buy these MT's i don't see it anywhere from the menu.. i want always online to be gone instead !

[IRetrouk]

So do I but my experience with sport says it won't happen. There's a prompt to buy Mt's everytime you see your balance being added to onscreen, its in the menus next to the game on the dash too...its pretty visible to be honest and not needed at all.

[Stonilein]

Now im buying it, thanks complainers

[Extermin8or3_]

Given its releasing literally next week I think most of the changes were already palmed takes like 5 days I think typically for patches to pass authentication. But the complaints got us 1 million credits so I'm not gonna complain lol

[Teflon02]

I'm pretty sure you're right. From what I said with the update everyone has been going on trying to say is about making the game a bigger grind. Their explanation literally is what I thought it was. It was about patching out an exploit that wasn't intentional and was a quick go. They were clearly in a rebranding stage. It's good to let them know it's a issue though. But people really fed the fanboy war with it. As things aren't all that bad and from what I said too. If reviewers played the same game without MTX with no issues. But the moment people hear there's mtx everyone starts crying about it? It's CTRNF all over again, people jumping to conclusions, but the conclusions in that case was dead wrong, but they ran with it too. Saying the mtx was a ploy and they were just going to take away the wampa gain etc. They did rebalance and some did go down. Some went up, but the wampa gain has been dramaticaly improved since adding the mtx that isnt even advertised in the game lol. I get the always online issue as it is a issue that should be removed and used only when online. But still operate offline. The mtx, just ignore it if you don't like it. I don't have issues with people wasting their money to get what I get. I'd rather it be expensive for those who wanna cop out. So it's not everyone running around with the same car because most won't pay the price and would rather work to it lol

[ravens52]

Was always good. Just not right.

[Eonjay]

Trust the process lol!

[aaronaton]

Well i'm glad they hit the feedback head on unlike DICE/Ea. I'm really enjoying the difficulty and grind tbh.

[Knushwood Butt]

'Addition of high rewards for clearing the Circuit Experience in all Gold/All Bronze results.'.

Nice.

[Zeke68]

I wonder how they solved that for circuits we already got gold on?

[Knushwood Butt]

Yeah, I doubt they can retrofix that without wiping data for times already set.

I've only golded one circuit so will just hold off playing that mode for a while.

[Zeke68]

I got gold on all except 5... Not much to save for later for me ;)

[Teflon02]

I'd imagine it would be like for example Honkai impact. They had a experience change for one of the story modes. When they updated the game. They give you the difference in what the percentage would have been. So if 1000000 would be equivalent to making 1.5 mill now. You got 500k extra experience on launching the title. I'd imagine it would just be a percentage conversion like that

[Zeke68]

Yeah, hopefully something like that ;)

[Knushwood Butt]

@ Zeke68

Ah, I see, but nice work getting those golds.

[S2Killinit]

Wonderful. Ive been loving it all the while but hopefully people dont find another excuse to be mad too quickly.

[andy85]

It's a shame that they need backlash to do this but all the additions sound great. Hopefully they've learnt a lesson.

[MadLad]

When you have to be shamed into submission.

[CR7JUVE1897]

The alternative would have been worse, though, wouldn't it? To hear long time and casual GT fans complain and do nothing? It's a start at least. Granted, they never should have done this and shame on them for overestimating the brand loyalty, but they are starting to try to make it right.

[Eonjay]

This is how it goes though and its the only way for consumers to get what they want. You can't worry about shaming a company though, contrary to popular belief corporations aren't people!

[MoonConquistador]

Lol, coming from someone who's named himself after a politician who doesn't even know what shame is.

Priceless

[MadLad]

It's a joke name.
I've been running the guy's name through the mud for years now.

[Christopher]

*checks TheRealTedCruz's IP*

Hey, how is Cancun?

[Christopher]

Yup. Good ole Craig method.

[Nacho_Z]

@Ted

Were you this outraged when MS tried to increase Gamepass subscription prices? Odd how they tried that when it's such a successful service as it is.

You could almost say they got cocky and tried to fleece their fanbase.

[Flawlessmic]

Love itttt!!!

It an absolutely brillant game and now they rectified the only issues with it.

Thank you polyphony, now give me more race events to complete please haha as iv done all of them already !!!

More cars, more track and events and ill be a happy camper!!

[Rhythmattic]

They tried.. And with that, they'll try again.. When gamers don't know what it was like to pay for a Full complete game, Cartridge or not, PC, console or Handheld, The moment that is no longer relevant due to not having had been through that gaming experience, well.. We know where it's heading....
Fk Sony for trying, Fk MS for the Sub model, Fk Ninety for the same old, same old....
Give me real pinball machines again... In A shack.. The Pinball Shack.
As real as it gets, no diversion.

[Rhythmattic]

Show yourself... Denier!
Minus nothing it seems is your positive...
GGF'd!

[Teflon02]

I remember the same silly argument was made for CTRNF and they only did the opposite and made things even easier for the players. Gotta take off the tin foil hat. It's not always about that.

[Rhythmattic]

So.. Let me reiterate,... My First Console was 2 Paddles made by a company called Hanimex.
Pong, Hockey,,, Shit they even launched one again in the early 80's that had a Light Gun.....
No duck hunt, But boy,. accurate as fk on the B/W TV I had in my room.

Deal with it.
Every little cent counts, maybe not to you, But with each cent made that never was before, then comes what is part of the non-Sensical ... Buy add ons as you will... It's Simple.. Fk MTS.. Its all Add Ons... all at a price.

Also , I use Tin Foil for cooking and some food storage in the fridge...... Thats actually what it was designed for....
So up yours defining me as part of the Tin Foil Hat brigade.... As its much easier for me to stay, Open you opinions to those that can be wise..
If not , ok, But with a general broad brushstroke in your definition , you are soooooooo wrong.

Enjoy not knowing what was, but how it just is.

[Rhythmattic]

As I thought.. No Fkin Idea.

[anast]

They should probably look at all of the people in the company that made this decision in the first place. Good to see though.

[shadowT]

Awesome!

[Starman69]

It's an excellent game! But I'm busy on GTA 5, horizon forbidden West and elden ring. Don't worry, I'll be back soon 😎👍

[RaiderNation]

Despite all the controversy, this game is amazing! I'm having a blast with it! Last night I finished the World Rally Challenge and the Alsace race, the one that goes from day to night and you have all the fireworks going off on the last lap is so cool! I wrecked twice because I couldn't take my eyes off of it LOL! That might be my favorite café challenge of them all.

[Inverno]

Only after they get flack for it, and y'all too quick to forgive lol

[RaiderNation]

Forgive what? Polyphony screwed up, fans complained, and now they're fixing it. Are fans not allowed to be happy about that? What do you suggest? A 30 day grievance window? LOL. What would you consider an acceptable amount of time for fans to hold their collective breath and remain jilted?

[VoiceOfUnreason]

He'd prefer it to be indefinite since he clearly just doesn't like the game/sony, and most likely hasn't played it like all of the others here who prefer us to keep dogging Polyphony even though they're clearly "bending" to us.

Entitlement is a hell of a drug, and to some people, no matter what Polyphony/game companies do to rectify a bad situation, it'll never be enough.

[Inverno]

I suggest not being so sure they won't pull the same thing again with the next game. I'm not saying you can't enjoy the game, perhaps I should've said forget and not forgive. And no I don't hate SONY, not every opinion against a company comes from fanboy hatred towards them.

[EvertonFC]

It's a live service game, so it's always "hey here's the game let us know what you like and what you hate and we'll change it scenario"

When will gamers get that.

[TravsVoid]

When they don't charge $70 for a free to play game model.

[yeahokwhatever]

comparing GT7 to a free to play just cost you whatever credibility you think you had.

[Hellcat2020]

A million credits will let me modify my 2 muscle cars
NICELY DONE

[Petebloodyonion]

"The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes
As for cost, we selected initial values based upon data from the Open Beta and other adjustments made to milestone rewards before launch."

No, it's not a quote from Sony but from EA regarding MTS in Battlefront 2
And they came up with the exact same apology after a backlash
https://www.vrandfun.com/ea...

I also remember Halo gettings tons of heat for announcing way before the release date that some modes would come at a later date (Forge and COOP) but in the case of GT7, we should be happy that Sony introduced MTS just after the reviews went out to avoid backlash and before the game was finished.
Selling a car was supposed to be there at launch (and it can be validated by Firm Favorite - Bought the same car 10 times trophy).
https://mp1st.com/news/gran...
but hey the 1st feature to be introduced is MTS.

If Sony really wants to show you that they care then do like EA and remove the MTS that affect gameplay elements.

[RickRoland]

Halo is going on 5 months old and still has half-baked multiplayer with MTS. The amount of maps is awful.

[Petebloodyonion]

I was talking about the single player portion of Halo since the multiplayer is free to play.
Last I Checked GT7 was sold at the premium PS5 price.

[King_Noctis]

Halo MTs are cosmetic only.

[RickRoland]

Petebloodyonion11m ago
I was talking about the single player portion of Halo since the multiplayer is free to play.
Last I Checked GT7 was sold at the premium PS5 price

And it’s well worth the premium. It’s a complete game.

[Nicknasty]

If nobody complained, Sony would not have done this. See if we can get away with it first, damage done. I won’t be satisfied until they make it offline. They’ve already destroyed GT pretty much, I don’t have much faith.

[ScootaKuH]

That's nice and all but there's no fixing the atrocious soundtrack 😂

[The-Matrix-has-you]

Dude the race music is so terrible! They are repetitive beyond belief! Also there is one track in particular that just sounds like a Broken symphony progressively increasing the volume as time goes on. It just sounds like noise and it kills my ears. Also you can’t adjust audio while in a race….

[RickRoland]

you can de-select tracks....

[ScootaKuH]

I don't get it. There's actually a lot of music in the game, but when in races it only seems to select the same few tunes. If I her Vroom Vroom one more time I'm going to go mad :)

I'm obviously kidding though. The soundtrack is terrible but it doesn't harm my enjoyment of the game in the slightest, I just wish it was a bit more "random" in its selections.

[The-Matrix-has-you]

@ RickRoland

How and where?

[Knushwood Butt]

Disabling all music during racing is one of the first setting changes I make.

I like most of the menu/lounge music though, so was gutted when I downloaded the digital soundtrack only to find it contains none of the menu music and only crap like Vroom Vroom. Prompty deleted it.

[myfathersbastard]

Meh. Changes are alright. I’m still not buying it. Which is a shame because I need a pretty new game for my PS5.

[Terry_B]

The required online for single player stuff is the real problem.

[moriarty1889]

Let’s see if they change that at some point.

[Terry_B]

Yeah..lets hope that.

[melons]

Crazy to me that Sony even had the gumption to try to gouge players with MTX after increasing the price of their games to £70/$70. Pure greed.

[ocelot07]

Double post my bad.

[ocelot07]

That's great to hear. Now my only issue is the always online. The fact there was a 30+ hour outage last week. No one was able to continue with their single player career was terrible. They need to sort that out. Where if the server is down or the players internet is down. They can still continue playing single player.

[moriarty1889]

Agreed. The always online should be changed for the campaign and saving progress in it.

[ocelot07]

I feel they won't change it as things stand. I know it sounds weird but I kind of wish for the servers to go down again for a few days. Just so more backlash will happen and they change the always online thing as it's ridiculous.

[BrainSyphoned]

"Increase the upper limit of non-paid credits in player wallets from 20M Cr. to 100M Cr."

Limiting the fremium currency is super pathetic. Glad Elden Ring pushed this game back a month or two for me.

[Orchard]

The changes are good but not great. Still more work to do here for sure (and with the always online requirement).

But this is also why we're right to criticize them, people say we're being unfair criticizing them for the MTX and always online - but the reality is, if we don't criticize situations like this when they occur, they will become the standard going forward.

[mastershredder]

It should not take backlash. It's some shady greed driven crap they tried to throttle their base for. Polyphony Digital can take their elitist dev and extreme price hike entitlement status and seriously stick it. Not dropping a cent their way this round. I'll end up with a copy of it somehow, but I sure as hell am not going to pay for it. Really don't care if Polyphony Digital is around for another entry after this one. They are not all that anymore. The mindset they have delivered in recent times is not for the car, racing AND gaming enthusiast, it's for the clout and vapor hoarders. PD, WTF are you guys doing?

[P_Bomb]

*cuts through the negativity* phew! Just an FYI that the million Cr compensation is up now. Go to your garage, then click gifts.

[King_Noctis]

It is because all of these negativity that they finally change and give you this one million cr. You should be glad that people did complain about this game.

[P_Bomb]

I complained too. Suggested compensation and got a couple downvotes. Just trying to give a head’s up here, but thx for proving my point.

[Knushwood Butt]

I did.

Don't blow it on a De Tomaso Mangusta. Car looks great but is practically undrivable.

[P_Bomb]

Thx for the heads up. I modded out my Lancia Stratos to look like G1 Wheeljack, heh. Was 100k just to widen the body!

[Knushwood Butt]

Nice.

I was tempted by the Stratos in the used car dealership yesterday but resisted.

[P_Bomb]

It ain’t cheap that’s for sure! 500k.

[Ryzza5]

A good outcome, but no reference made to online-only requirements. Plenty of people still play GT4 to this day, but what if that had been online-only? Do you think those servers would still be available today?

[Tedakin]

Honestly, yelling at game companies when they do wrong is proven to work. Keep it up, gamers.

[JangoMan]

GT Sport took its time and eventually it became a great edition. I hope its the same for the GT7. More tracks and more races will surely be added over time. Bugs and other tweaks too

[asapas8]

They need to add MORE CARS

[LamerTamer]

Always online REQUIREMENT even for single player made this a big nope for me. Why pay $70 for something that will stop working whenever you aren't connected, the servers are down etc. It is guaranteed and planned obsolescence DRM. There was no good reason other than anti-consumer control freak practices. The more that people go for this crap the more they will do like this. Soon everything will require a constant connection leaving out anyone with no connection and will stop working when the servers are shut down. Basically you will never actually own a game again.