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Epic Games Offered Sony $200M To Secure 4-6 First-Party Exclusives

In the ongoing court drama between Epic Games vs. Apple, new documents have emerged that suggest that Epic Games approached Sony for first-party exclusives.

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Vits1086d ago

Yeah, that is pretty low for 4-6 Sony games. Given that Gearbox got $140M for Boderlands 3 alone.

Jin_Sakai1085d ago (Edited 1085d ago )

I’m surprised Sony haven’t purchased Epic Games by now. They keep investing in them and spam the “what’s new” section with Fortnite stuff. That’s literally the first thing I see every time I turn on PS5.

Orchard1085d ago

Literally zero chance of that happening.

Epic games is at about 30bn in valuation, so about 1/4 of Sony’s (assuming they sold at market value, which they wouldn’t). And their Epic investments have been small compared to other companies with about 1%.

Heck I don’t think even Microsoft would spend 30bn+ on a gaming acquisition.

It’s more likely that Tencent buys them - they already own 40% of Epic.

Jin_Sakai1085d ago (Edited 1085d ago )

“Epic games is at about 30bn in valuation, so about 1/4 of Sony’s (assuming they sold at market value, which they wouldn’t).“

I said “by now” meaning in the past before Epic was worth as much as they are today.

“It’s more likely that Tencent buys them - they already own 40% of Epic.”

That’s all we need is Chinese owned Tencent gobbling them up.

Knightofelemia1085d ago (Edited 1085d ago )

@Jin_Sakai

I don't see Tencent coughing up their shares they own in Epic over to Sony that easily and I doubt Tim Sweeney will either. Only ways they might dump their shares is if Epic is bleeding money not turning a profit and out of desperation to recoup the losses is dump Epic to the highest bidder. Or is if Tencent had enough enough of video games and decided to invest else where and again dump their shares to the highest bidder. Or if Tim Sweeney had enough wanted to retire he would sell of his shares and most likely Tencent will absorb his shares and pay him out.

VenomUK1085d ago

I have to give credit to Ali Hader at Twisted Voxel for being first multiple times on disseminating the court documents in the Epic vs Apple case and putting them out into a story, good stuff.

King_Noctis1085d ago (Edited 1085d ago )

You think Sony has enough cash to purchase Epic? Think again. Epic buys Playstation (not the entire Sony) has a much, much higher chance of happening if Epic want to go that route.

neutralgamer19921085d ago (Edited 1085d ago )

King_Noctis

You can't be serious. Epic buying PlayStation? You do know PlayStation is bigger than epic and is bigger than Nintendo and Xbox. PlayStation generates more revenue, sells more software and makes a bigger profit than epic, Nintendo or Xbox. If epic wants to go that route haha like they can force Sony to sell PlayStation. I know you dislike PlayStation man but atleast stay in the realm of possibility

And why would Sony or anyone buy epic? What important IP's do they own? Buying studios is all about IP's. You think ms would pay 7.5 billion for Bethesda if they didn't have fallout and ES?

Vits1085d ago

I find it very unlikely that anyone could buy Epic. Not only because how valuable they are, but because of how divided the shares are. Sweeney is unlikely to sell his majority stake in the company and Tencent owns almost all the rest.

Though there are a shaking happening right now. Thanks to the Apple lawsuit and Tencent issues with the US government. And depending of the result. I could see a bigger fish gobbling a part of Epic. But my first bet would be Microsoft and not Sony.

dcbronco1085d ago

I believe if Epic was up for sale Microsoft would outbid Sony for it. Just to bring the Epic Store under Microsoft as well as Unreal engine. Microsoft would never let Sony outbid them. If you think they wanted iD tech, Unreal has huge market value. Its everywhere.

King_Noctis1085d ago (Edited 1085d ago )

@neturalgamer

“ You do know PlayStation is bigger than epic and is bigger than Nintendo and Xbox.”

You do know Nintendo worth $95 billion right? You know how much Playstation worth? $45 billion.

https://mddailyrecord.com/n...
https://mddailyrecord.com/p...

“ And why would Sony or anyone buy epic? What important IP's do they own?”

You do know that Fortnite made more than $9 billion in revenue in its first two years right? Which Playstation exclusive game made that much money in its first two years in the market?

https://www.theverge.com/20...

Ratty1085d ago

Buying out other companies isn't and shouldn't be the solution to everything.

Hell the company I worked for was bought out by a bigger one and in my experience it always sucks. The bigger company slowly sucks out everything that made the purchased company unique until it's cold, generic and bland like the bigger one.

IMO buyouts shouldn't be a thing.

HellspawnPR19811085d ago

I don't even know the numbers but I'm pretty sure they can't afford it.

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Army_of_Darkness1084d ago

@Jin_Sakai

What does Chinese or Japanese have to do with anything? you seriously think epic would be in better hands if they were bought by MS?? 🙄 Please....

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RosweeSon1085d ago

Yeah maybe per game 🤣😑✌🏻 They ain’t getting 4-6 for that money unless they wanted knack 1/2 😑🤣✌🏻

porkChop1085d ago

Borderlands 3 was a brand new game, that kind of deal costs a lot more. This offer was in regards to Sony porting existing first party exclusives to PC.

I'm not saying I think the offer is good or not.

Vits1085d ago

That could hold water for almost any publisher. But definitely not for Sony that treats all of their PC ports as brand new games with a full price tag to boot. So $200M for 4-6 ports is a completely unrealistic expectation from Epic even more if they were expecting a full year of exclusivity.

MightyHealthy1084d ago

Oh, thank you for clarifying now the title makes sense.

neutralgamer19921085d ago

King

And your point is what? 45 billion just got playstation. Sony's worth is 121 billion. And you do know the the popularity of FN has been going down last 4-6 months right? That's still one game but one huge game.

Your original statement was epic could buy PlayStation if they wanted to. Actually you said it has a big chance of happening. How they are worth 30+ billion? How can a company that's worth 30 billion force a company that's worth 4 times more than them to sell? If that statement is true than I guess epic can buy Xbox and Nintendo too right especially xbox since without ms money it wouldn't even survive

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ApocalypseShadow1085d ago (Edited 1085d ago )

*Epic wanted some Sony exclusives to help their store.

*Microsoft most likely were/are in talks to bring their games to Steam.

*There's no way Game Pass would be on Steam. That would cut into Valve's profits. That rumor sounds ridiculous. It's possible like the other offerings. But I wouldn't do it as a business.

Epic had definitely been busy. Funny thing is that it would be Tencent, a Chinese company, raking in the money by owning 40% of Epic. Just making that company bigger.

Epic should just stick with making game development easy for the gaming community. Especially with the impressive Meta Humans and UE5. All this other stuff they jumped into just makes them look desperate and shady at the same time. Not a good look.

TheColbertinator1085d ago

Game Pass on Steam would be a dream ticket for me.

Valve and Microsoft cutting deals to allow me to use Game Pass on their platform with a big selection of Steam games and not the super limited Microsoft Store. I'd buy 3 years full price if Microsoft and Steam collaborated on that level.

MadLad1085d ago

At that point I'd assume Valve would simply roll out their own service, honestly. There's been no news to show, but I'd be really surprised if it's not being thrown around internally already.

Petebloodyonion1085d ago

Why would Steam not allow Gamepass?
Like the argument that ppl don't buy Microsoft games because Gamepass has been debunked by Steam since MS games like Sea of Thieves, Halo, etc. are selling quite well on Steam at the current price despite being available on Gamepass on the same PC.
And I'm pretty sure that the average JOE who plays PC games on PC knows that you can buy a game from Epic games store, Windows, etc. and it will still play on the same PC
So yeah perhaps the PC version of Gamepass could happen and MS could give Valve some exclusivity of MS games in the VR space.

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Petebloodyonion1085d ago

So who’s been buying the Microsoft games on Steam like the millions of Sea of Thieves copies sold on the platform?

ApocalypseShadow1085d ago (Edited 1085d ago )

It's as Derek said and I implied, too many of you on Xbox say that game pass saves you money. How exactly? You know the answer. You don't have to buy games individually. If that came to Steam, individual sales would diminish leading into less profits. Unless Valve was cut in on those profits that Microsoft would be making. I don't know how much they get from uplay and EA access. But obviously they do being that they are being offered. I said above that it's possible because of those other services. But I wouldn't do it.

The Colbertinator is directly saying he'd jump on it in a heart beat. Meaning, he would save money by having games bundled in a service instead of buying games.

It cuts into sales. If all gamers were in a subscription service, the money made today would be less because it's shared and divided amongst developers. And because of that, some games wouldn't even be made because it wouldn't be profitable to make them. Not unless the service provider paid the full amount for development. It's unlikely that that would be the case for all developers.

So, it is not worth it to some developers. Do you see RE8 on game pass? No. It's not worth it to Capcom. Is Returnal on PS Now? No. It's not worth it to Sony. No company wants to lose money. Because it leads gamers into not buying new games. Just like streaming services have lead into less sales for DVD and Blu-ray. Look it up. It's "Common sense."

Why do we have to keep educating you guys to the truth?

1Victor1085d ago

“So yeah perhaps the PC version of Gamepass could happen and MS could give Valve some exclusivity of MS games in the VR space.”🤦🏿 🤯 🤪 hey Pete what alternate dimensions did you dropped from that Microsoft got games in the VR space.

Petebloodyonion1084d ago (Edited 1084d ago )

@Shadow
I'm grateful for your teaching since I love learning new stuff related to economics
Now I'm sure you will be able to explain in details the source of your truth cause it was sure not in the Costco success model that is often explained in marketing and sales courses (I copy some quick link to refresh your memory)
https://ethicsunwrapped.ute...
or watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Now just letting you know that a lot of this stuff is used by Sony, Steam, Amazon, Apple, and MS who basically are giving cheap stuff and making huge sales to have you spend more $ in the store than you would normally do (buying 4 games for 100$ instead of 1 at 60$).

Now I know that this example is pretty basic 101 and not as advance as your teaching from the lessons of your dreams but just please answer this simple question.
If 1 month of Gamepass is 1 item in the Steam inventory just as a 60$ game is 1 item (and both cost 0$ money to Steam since it's digital goods) then how does Steam is losing money if he succeeds in making you buy the same item 12 times vs the 1 game at 80$ during the year?

Bonus Question Why does Sony allow Free to play games, give you 2 games per month via PS+, gave 10 PS4 games for free (play at home), and gave 18 Ps4 in the PS+ collection when you bought a Ps5? surely this dumb move would prevent ppl from buying games at 70$ like Spider-man or Returnal since they already have so many games to play at the moment.

Ps, You have still not answered the question of Who bought the millions of Sea of thieves games sold at a premium price on Steam in the 1st month of Steam launch last year?
https://news.xbox.com/en-us...

@1Victor
Do they need to make a game in VR? how about playing game pass in a big Xbox Vr playroom?
Perhaps have some Steams VR games in a Gamepass catalog made for Steam
Epic was ready to make a game for Sony PSVR2 in exchange for allowing crossplay Does Epic have a VR headset?
And last I checked Minecraft Vr does exist on PSVR so again why would this be impossible?

jeromeface1084d ago

Steam is in the business of selling games, not renting them.

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gold_drake1085d ago

wow thats not alot actually. given they paid 140 mio. for borderlands 3.
im actually surprised by this.

FallenAngel19841085d ago

Bruh this courtcase is becoming more interesting than E3

gold_drake1085d ago

right?
i mean .. e3 hasnt been interesting in a while, but that depends on who u ask i guess.

badz1491085d ago

come on don't say THAT! MS was already banking on E3 this year and you just want to rain on their parade like that? so cruel LOL

Skuletor1085d ago

Cheapskates, just like the majority of Epic Games Store users that are just there for free games and free to play Fortnite

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Steam’s Refund Policy Change Won’t Affect You Unless You’re A Lowlife

Steam is changing its refund policy, but you probably won’t be affected

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thorstein11h ago

Should have happened a long time ago. People wanting refunds after 50 hours in game.

fsfsxii7h ago

Pc gamers will take this as an excuse to pirate things

KyRo7h ago

I'm not sure why you're getting disgrees. Whilst not all PC gamers are petty, an awful lot of them are lol

Crows907h ago

Entirely untrue. Not any more petty than console gamers. The only large difference is console gamers don't have much of a choice.

qalpha7h ago

Daily reminder that 'TheGamer' is a corporate-generated, anti-gamer, anti-consumer, clickbait web site. They are mostly A.I. generated articles that villainize gamers. They provide nothing positive and actively try to provoke and divide the community through extreme view points and politics. Do not give them any clicks.

Inverno7h ago

Only scumbags? As if people don't play their games on console put in the most amount of hours and return it to GameStop and trade it in for another game. But also how many people are actually do this? And what games have been allowed to be refunded?

DustMan7h ago

You can refund any game you've purchased as long as it hasn't been longer than two weeks, and you've played less than 2 hours. I wish they would change it to 3 hours because some RPG's have so much exposition that you may only get an hour total of complete gameplay. That's my only knock on it. I've refunded plenty of stuff I was just curious to try. I typically stay away from Early Access titles which are the only ones affected by this policy change.

Inverno6h ago

Apparently early access doesn't count, only complete games with a play early preorder bonus.

Gaming4Life19817h ago

I definitely know if I want a refund in 2 hours.

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Media Molecule’s Next Game is Going to be a New IP

A job listing published by the UK studio reveals that its next project will be another entirely new IP.

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Inverno1d 3h ago

The only PlayStation dev I care about tbh.

Inverno7h ago

Dayum did I hit a nerve. Sorry for not liking most of this gens games coming from PS, not really doe.

Cacabunga1d 3h ago

Hopefully doesn’t take them a complete gen to release it

TheColbertinator21h ago

Good. Something not boring, not one of those "make your own game" crap and also on Steam would be nice.

Stopac19h ago

I too like to look for things in the wrong places.

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Outriders Dev's Next Game Has Been Canceled After Publishing Agreement With Take-Two Fell Through

Outriders developer People Can Fly's next game has been canceled after its publishing agreement with Take-Two Interactive fell through.

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Tacoboto2d ago

"the capital group of PCF Group S.A."

If you're getting funding from a group that needs two different ways of Acronyming itself, things will not go the way you want them to.

banger882d ago

If it was more online-only crap then good riddance.

jjb19811d 11h ago

Outriders was crap. They slapped that game together and threw in a loot system to get players' attention. This game was absolutely jank and the always online nonsense made it stutter like crazy. People Can't Optimize.

thorstein1d 9h ago

I liked Outriders but I could see where the artistic vision was compromised. The way the industry is now, it wouldn't surprise me that upper management would scrap something that didn't pull in money via gaas, mts, or other means.