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Keiichiro Toyama Left Sony To "Keep Making Games In His Own Style"

Silent Hill and Gravity Rush creator Keiichiro Toyama has revealed why he left Sony, citing a wish to make games according to his own creative vision.

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Jin_Sakai1205d ago

Doesn’t Sony give creative freedom? They let Guerrilla Games make Horizon instead of another Killzone that was an established IP.

Sonyslave31205d ago

Killzone was not all that good, so i dont blame sony for moving on from that ip.

Elda1204d ago

Killzone 2 & 3 were pretty good.

CaptainHenry9161204d ago

Killzone 2 was good can't say the same about all the others

MrSwankSinatra1204d ago

Killzone 2 was good the hell

BlaqMagiq11204d ago

Killzone 2 was one of the best shooters of its generation.

bujasem_891204d ago

Let's not even mention killzone. Gravity rush, I'm almost done with 2 after playing the first on vita.

There's nothing our there like it. I wonder how his vision was steered when I genuinely have never experienced something like that game so chill yet extremely complex.

Ratchet751204d ago

Killzone 2 was dope and way ahead technically than anything else on ps3/360 when it first came out.
😉

TheColbertinator1204d ago

Killzone 2 was good but the franchise itself has rarely been healthy. Too much struggle to find its identity and can no longer even compete with titans like Battlefield, COD, Halo, Overwatch and many others.

ArnoDorian1204d ago

Dude... Killzone 2 and 3 were great. Specifically Killzone 2 Quit smoking expired weed!!

bouzebbal1204d ago (Edited 1204d ago )

How many of them did you pay? And how long?
KZ2 KZ3 Liberation Mercenaries are damn good.. I haven't played first one but I did play Shadow Fall and I thought it was inferior to the 4 I mentioned. I got platinum in SF KZ2 and KZ3 so I know what I'm talking about.
KZ3 with move was the best thing I played with motion controls, it was so intuitive.. Even in 3D. Thing was ahead of its time

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Sonic-and-Crash1204d ago (Edited 1204d ago )

Shame ..GRush series and especially GR1 had so unique atmosphere, feeling and immersive world that few came close to it .... He s a true talented guy imo....

i hope whatever he develops next to release it on PStation also and dont be another of these simple bigger-sallary moves

Tech51204d ago

probably he wants to make a game that has a lot of suggestive themes.
i'm thinking that would probably be where Sony, MS and Nintendo would typically enter the chat.

zawepa1204d ago (Edited 1204d ago )

Silent Hill had lots of suggestive themes though. i hope his next project won't be cut or edited upon porting it to other platforms.

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goldwyncq1204d ago

They allowed GG to make a third person action adventure open world game because it's already a proven genre. If it was something more experimental like the indie games you see on steam they'd be a lot more hesitant letting them do their own thing.

DarXyde1204d ago

It's probably connected to Jim Ryan. That's my hunch.

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AnotherGamer1203d ago

They do to an extend, the only problem is that the Gravity games didn't sell at all.

Drithe1203d ago

Sony is extremely woke. So no they do in fact stifle creativity. No nudity or sexy anime with large boobs. lol. Maybe this happened after Dragon's Crown came out?

Edgelordsupreme1203d ago

Ahhh yes the pinnacle of creativity, nudity and sexy anime with large boobs. Go outside.

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-Foxtrot1204d ago

Huh. Since when didn't Sony allow creative freedom

This is a company that supported The Last Guardian for 7 years, even something like Dreams.

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Omegasyde1204d ago

I think there’s more to it. You provided two good examples

StoneyYoshi1204d ago

Do you have any examples to provide for or against Foxtrot?

Sounds to me like Sony didn't greenlight his game pitch so he decided to leave and make the game with his own team. Just because Sony gives creative freedom to their devs doesn't mean Sony's just going to greenlight anything that lands at their feet.

Toyama is obviously very passionate about his idea and wants to see it come to fruition. I don't think this has anything to do with Sony not allowing creative freedom. And I'm sure the disappointing sales of Gravity Rush 1/2 didn't help in his favor. They are still fantastic games but it didn't cater to a huge audience like a lot of their other exclusive titles.

neutralgamer19921204d ago

Omegasyde

Dreams was rebooted for times during development. Sony could have canceled it at any time out of the three console makers they're probably the one that take the most chances.

Here's another fact when kojima became a free agent every publisher wanted him to present them with the tech demo Sony basically gave him a blank check and said do what you want to do that's not my words that's his. they even let him tour all the first party studios to see if one of their engines could be used for his next game to cut down on the development time

Omegasyde1204d ago (Edited 1204d ago )

Stoney-

Let’s see Kojima made death stranding for creative freedom example

Let’s see against his example (which um I’m sorta having to some homework)
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Gran Tourismo 7? Since it’s seems thats all Polyphony studio does?

And more for what Foxtrot is stating just look at what Sony greenlit for PSVR...not all of them were shooters or interactive stories on rails.

DOMination-1204d ago

Think back two generations ago, we got a lot of games that were great (El-Shaddai, Majin, Enslaved, Catherine, Folklore..) but never got sequels because they were niche and barely broke even.

Sony are better than most publishers but they will still want to see profit. This guy has a bad track record of making games that the general public find compelling.

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isarai1204d ago

Maybe it's a recent change what with their HQ moving to California

fsfsxii1204d ago

because they censored the anime titties? lmao

jukins1203d ago

Nah its just business. While his ideas and games are "good" sony is puahing for less experiments and more sure sellers. We'll habe to see if they lose anything during the transition. I expect less "freedom" games from sony in the future

BehindTheRows1204d ago

Eh, the article states that he simply wanted to go it on his own, not that Sony held him back or kept him from making what he wanted (something they are known to allow their teams to do).

Vegamyster1204d ago

He doesn't outright say it but it's definitely implied, he wants to make smaller niche games rather than a game with broader appeal and needed to make his own studio to do that according to him.

BehindTheRows1204d ago (Edited 1204d ago )

@Vegamyster

It is not implied that Sony denied him, rather, he wants to make games on a smaller scale than what Sony is after. His visions weren’t being stunted by them, he simply is choosing a smaller budget to reach said vision. That’s the difference and they get the benefit of the doubt given their track record.

Vegamyster1204d ago

“ Toyama says the audience for gaming "has become wider" in recent years, especially for companies like Sony.”

“ Toyama says his games "choose their audience, in a way". Toyama goes on to say that he wants to make games people
will still love decades from now, and to do so, it was necessary to open his own gaming studio rather than stay with Sony.”

He doesn’t mention anything about budget and to create the game he wanted he needed his own studio, that directly implies they wanted something different than what he wanted to make.

BehindTheRows1203d ago (Edited 1203d ago )

@Vegamyster

He understands Sony’s aim for the mass audience and he’s after something else. That isn’t “I want to make this and they stopped me dead”.

“ However, rather than chasing mass audience appeal, Toyama says his games "choose their audience, in a way".

A broader aim =! a forced retention. He’s also able to make it on his own and has high respect for them (as per Japanese articles on this subject).

BehindTheRows1203d ago (Edited 1203d ago )

“However the gaming industry has rapidly grown globally and is still drastically changing all the time. Day by day, living in these times, I have felt the need for a substantial change to pursue my own ambitions. This is why I have decided to become independent”.

“ Still, SIE was a very good environment, so I was not able to leave the office until now, but this year there was a big change in the environment in the industry due to the coronavirus, so I thought that if I were to become independent, it would be only now.”

He sees this as a broader, industry shift and he joined TLG devs to form his own studio that focuses on smaller projects. Not due to an artistic hold back from Sony.

So, on that, we can agree to disagree.

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Brazz1204d ago

it's most likely due to sony being more focused on delivering "big blockbusters" than "medium/small size". he probably wants to keep making games on the scale of gravity rush.

Godmars2901204d ago

Its also the same company that phased out 2D in favor of 3D gaming. That's pushed for "cinematic" gaming or what I've been calling "Drama Simulators".

Where MS favors "social" or "community" gaming because such also favors subscription services, Sony's become more about movies in gaming rather than see it as the separate media platform that it is.

Magatsuhi1204d ago

Ah yes especially bloodborne, such a cinematic masterpiece...

P_Bomb1204d ago (Edited 1204d ago )

I don’t think it’s completely black or white. Is Dreams a non-community movie? GoT Legends? Phil Spencer went to Japan and came back with Yakuza, not Fall Guys.

isarai1204d ago

Demon's Souls, Sackboy Adventure, Destruction Allstars disagree

Godmars2901204d ago

"Destruction Allstars"

An online, $70 multiplayer title put on PS+ for "free" after notable backlash that it was going to be a $70 title?

"I don’t think it’s completely black or white."

Its not black and white, there are of course exceptions, the thing is - again - where MS leans mainly one way Sony leans another. And where Sony leans is towards big budgeted cinematic, drama scripted titles. Which is why I commented as I did in regards to a known dev leaving Sony because he can't make the games he wants as a Sony dev.

If Sony continues as they are there they're only going to go from "AAA" to "AAAA" to "nth-A" when they - and MS - need smaller budgeted creative diversity.

"Phil Spencer went to Japan and came back with Yakuza, not Fall Guys."

1) Fall Guys is from British devs.
2) Yakuza, isn't exclusive and was hardly built up by Xbox.
3) If Fall Guy was exclusive to Xbox, when they had f2p behind a paywall, even accounting for no paywall on PC, would it be as popular/known as it is now?

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Sayai jin1204d ago

According to this dev, that's your answer.

InUrFoxHole1204d ago

Lol never blindly believe in any company. You're in for a rude awakening if you do. Which do you think is more believable...
1. Sony is the perfect fit for every dev and their dreams.
2. Sony said no to this specific devs creative vision

Jericho13371204d ago

Because Jim Ryan is at the helm now and is clearly a money man. Why do you think they’re churning out sequels at the moment?

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Silly gameAr1204d ago (Edited 1204d ago )

I wish him the best of luck. I hope he finds someone that will support his creative vision for as long as Sony did with The Last Guardian. I don't know many companies that will take creative freedom away, and let someone work on a project for several years at the same time.

Then again, the headline probably just focused on whatever he said that would get hits and attention.

StoneyYoshi1204d ago

"Then again, the headline probably just focused on whatever he said that would get hits and attention."

You hit the nail on the head.

Zhipp1204d ago

Just because they supported the Last Guardian for as long as they did does not mean they would do that for every game. They're still a company. Even Sony has limits. I imagine if Team ICO didn't have such a pedegree and wasn't so beloved by fans and critics alike they would have canceled the game for sure -- and I wouldn't have blamed them either. There's hardly any excuse for a game like that to take 7+ years to develop. Naughty Dog released 4 blockbuster games between two different generations in the time it took TLG to release. That's insane!

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CrimsonWing691204d ago

Hey, man, just give me a Silent Hill spiritual successor and I'm good.

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Naughty Dog's Neil Druckmann Teases Multiple 'Single-Player' Games in Development

Naughty Dog has multiple single-player games planned.

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Cacabunga6h ago

Thats something ! Got the reason back

S2Killinit3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

I wonder what they are working on. But the prospect of multiple single player games from ND makes me giddy.

Stanlittle1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Me too, but I'm scared. The team is a shell of its former self, but fingers are crossed! I feel like he is just talking to stay relevant. The PlayStation showcase a few days ago was the time to show or say something.

mandf1h ago

Stanlittle shell of themselves? Says who you? You internet clowns are lost to reality. Naughty Dog has done nothing but gory titles.

They do a little lesbian stuff and now they are crap? You internet losers are ruining gaming.

OtterX6h ago

I'd like something more lighthearted up next. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed The Last of Us, but I sure do miss the Naughty Dog games that didn't leave me feeling like someone just kicked my dog into traffic.

Cacabunga5h ago

I honestly just want a new Uncharted.. i remember the first time they revealed gameplay trailer of U4.. blew my mind !!!

KyRo5h ago

I'd love a new Uncharted game too. If they did, I'd want a return to the massive set pieces of the first three games. I felt U4 was missing that one set pieces like the train/cargo plane moment of the previous games.

Hotpot6h ago

I hope they have something ready for next year, last time they released a new game was TLoU part 2 4 years ago

RaidenBlack6h ago

Hope one of them is a FPV game. They can try more immersion with FPV.

anast3h ago

I never felt anymore immersion from an FPV game. To me FPV feels more like a business decision.

Stanlittle1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Not many console exclusive PS games are 1st person. I can only think of Killzone back in 2013. So RaidenBlack has a point 1st person would be a nice change. 3rd person has always been less immersive to me than 1st person.

RaidenBlack32m ago

lol,
FPV is always more immersive ... hence most VR titles are FPV centric.

RedDevils2h ago

Hopefully not. Not my type leave it other developer who specialised on it.

RaidenBlack33m ago(Edited 29m ago)

They have multiple single player games in development, so one of 'em can be a FPV project. All Sony titles currently are third person games, the few first person ones are live services.
Plus we dont know how a Naughty Dog FPV game can be. It might be really immersive. We can never know unless they try. Try something different other than the same old trope.

Yui_Suzumiya6h ago

The Last of Us: Part III as a direct continuation from II. The series doesn't end until they have a cure.

-Foxtrot57m ago(Edited 50m ago)

The game didn’t even need a sequel after Part I

We don’t need Part III unless they want to do a spin off set in another country / state with a new cast

The story is pretty much done.

cooperdnizzle32m ago

How is the story done? Ellie still has the ability to cure the world potentially. I mean that is pretty much the whole driving force of the first game.

I don't know how people can claim the story is done. The biggest question is still can Ellie really cure the infection. Now that she knows would she sacrifice herself? Will they try to figure out another way? Or do they try and it doesn't work and it was all a waste? I don't know, I think it would be cool to see the next one set in New York with a huge amount of infected roaming the city. Abby and Ellie reunited both with the same mission of figuring out how to make a cure! While the huge drama could be if it is possible to cure the world while keep Ellie alive. But at the end Abby has to kill ellie who is now her "best friend". I don't know. That's just one idea. The story is not over and could go in a bunch of directions.

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Days Gone Director Says Bend's Project Costs Over $250M; Says PS Co-CEO Doesn't Want 2 Zombies Games

Days Gone director claims Sony has already poured in at least a $250M in Bend's project; says Days Gone sold more than Death Stranding.

shinoff21833d ago

Well that sucks. Seems they want more online trash. I'd rather of had the sequel if it was single player

MrNinosan3d ago

What online trash games did PS Studios release last 10 years?

Notellin3d ago

The past has nothing to do with the future. This is such a terrible argument. Everyone knows about their current live service push.

_SilverHawk_3d ago

It's so tragic what happened to days gone. It is such an amazing game but bandwagoners trashed it and it underperformed in it's launch year. Days gone is the best open world zombie game released in the past five years. I was recently playing it on pc and I'm still amazed by it.

Games are very expensive to make and it seems like it's normal for a AAA game to cost over a quarter billion to make so if a quality game like days gone greatly underperforms then people shouldn't be upset when they see a lot of GAAS. I still remember a lot of bandwagoners calling days gone trash but years later it's now amazing when it's considered a failure by sony.

If a game isn't the best thing seen since hats with pockets then a lot of gamers who haven't played it automatically calls it rubbish and whoever made it should be incarcerated

Cacabunga3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Co CEO prefers gamers to boycott.. so be it. I’ll never buy a gaas.
Just imagine buying a game you cannot replay in some years.. this shit must stop.

Days Gone did zombies in a very original way. The story was also so engaging. You actually only meet Zombie hordes later in the game. There are many more enemy groups to deal with.

MrNinosan3d ago

@Notelin
I am one of the few who bought Days Gone on release day and loved it completely.
However, "more online trash" is phrased like Sony has put out alot of trash online games.
We got what, 2 games? Helldivers 2 and GT7, 2 of the most sold Playstation games where both is loved by millions.

You, me and especially shinoff has no idea if Fairgames, Marathon and Concord will be trash.

Just because we (as in you and me) don't love or support online games, doesn't mean millions of other do.

And we don't know what Bend Studio is working with? We don't know if they're forced to make a online game or another amazing single player experience.

The only thing we do know is that it's not Days Gone, sadly due to poor sales the first 6 months.

shinoff21832d ago (Edited 2d ago )

More online trash wasmt meant how insee it comes across. I should've worded it different I was meaning the focus they currently have on it.

Anything online is online trash to me. How long did naughty dog spend on that dumba last of us multiplayer, how about Concord, or even the other couple we hear about. I fk with Sony because rpgs and their 1st party single player games. Been like that for years. I hate seeing them waste time, money, and talent on trash. I understand bot every game is gonna be for me but this focus they've seem to had on multiplayer is extremely disheartening. Even at the state of play the only things I was really feeling were Astrobot and silent hill 2 and I'm content with that, not everything is for me. It's just the online focus I hate. Ms bought up 3 to 4 wrpgs developers, Sony just ignores rpgs 1st party wise.

And a days gone 2 would've been much better then whatever online sht bend is working on. I do know sometimes I get very idk emotional. I do need to work on toning that down a bit lol

SimpleDad2d ago

Ammm let's see... That All-stars, Foamstars, Babilon 5 wass gaas...
Concord... can wait to play that...Marathon uuuu... Last of them gaas... U
Horizon Zero dawn has a project that leaked as a Fortnite lookalike.

They bought Destiny that is a dead gaas...people love ti.

Helldivers 2 was luck.

Jimbo was all in and pushed Sony single player games 5 years behind.

Spiderman gaas was cancelled... I mean every 1st party studio was doing gaas.

Bend had to pitch a gaas game... Open world coop something

I can't remember more... Of that crap.

tay87012d ago

@simpledad. Destiny 2 isn't a dead game. Its the number 5 most played game on steam. I dont play it, but alot of people do.

MrNinosan2d ago

@SimpleDad
You failed to mention a single PS Studios game that has been released last 10 years.
Either your reading skills are crap or you think Sony own every studio in the world.

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just_looken2d ago

I rolled my eyes at concord not only was it just yet another cookie cutter hero shooter but that qucik look for the hero select.

Already has a free section then paid section along with a they/them she/her dei crap top right.

Nothing like a day off of work to fire up concord to read about the new characters sexual identity and or preference then a paywall do you want o buy this character shit like no i just want to shoot my gun have fun.

-Foxtrot3d ago

It would be a shame if it was true that Hermen never gave the franchise a chance simply because he didn't like it and they already had a "Zombie" game with TLOU.

NaughtyDog are most likely moving onto a new IP next so it would have been the perfect time to do it.

ThinkThink3d ago

Here's where xbox steps in and releases state of decay 3 day and date on ps5.

shinoff21832d ago

I mean it's not out of the realm of possibility at this point.

Grilla3d ago

Days gone 2 was canceled before Herman was in charge. That happened like 4 years ago.

vfl5233d ago

4 years ago he was head of Playstation Studios. He would've probably had a hand in the cancelation.

Notellin3d ago

Man two seconds of research could have saved you from this comment. Amazing work Grilla you fit in with the uniformed N4G community who speaks before verifying anything that they say.

Redemption-643d ago

Maybe encourage people to buy the game at full price and not when it's heavily discounted or go on plus. If this game had sold well when it was full priced a sequel would have been in the works. They made a single-player game that most people didn't support until they dropped the price.

Cacabunga3d ago

The guy’s just a moron.. he should have stayed within game development. His choices will have a terrible impact on the brand in the long run.

tay87012d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Dude is pretty pathetic. Sounds like a guy who's girl left him for someone better. Always talking about days gone sequel that never was, even though he is no longer at bend and hasnt been for a while. I for one am not upset about the lack of a sequel. It is one of the worst 1st party games in recent memory. Completely jank, played like an xbox game. The only redeeming quality was the hordes.

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excaliburps3d ago

Yep. Kind of weird since it wasn't a sales flop, no?

I know we have to take what Ross says with a grain of salt since we're hearing just one side of the story, but even so, the game wasn't bad at all. Heck, it's my brother's favorite last-gen game from what I recall.

The amount of zombies on screen, imagine that with the PS5 and SSD? That would be insanely fun!

Grilla3d ago

Most copies were sold on sale. Not enough ppl bought it at full price. I paid 20$ for it 6 -7 months after release.

Notellin3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Yeah we should never believe the creators side until we hear the corporate/big business side as history has shown we should always believe billion dollar corporations.

What a bootlicker statement.

derek2d ago

@Notellin, of course you'll believe an embittered ex-employee with an axe to grind because it's evil Sony he's complaining about. You guys act like days gone was this huge success and somehow Sony hates easy money a sequel would have generated. The game was mid and so was the response to it. They're still supporting the developer who is making a new ip that could be great.

shinoff21832d ago

Days gone was fantastic. I bought day one but didn't get around to it for months. When I finally did I was pissed at myself for waiting so long lol

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P_Bomb3d ago

Well I don’t want 10 live service games, but they have no problem doing that lol. Ugh.

CrimsonWing693d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Oh great so we only get what the big wigs want… y’know, the people that really have their fingers on the pulse of what their consumers want. Faaaaantastic!

rippermcrip3d ago

Well consider they know the sales... they do know what the consumer wants.

It sold shit.

-Foxtrot2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

But if it’s true what this guy says it sold better than Death Stranding

Yet that got a sequel and Kojima aside out of them both DS didn’t really NEED a sequel compared to Days Gone which ended on such a cliff hanger twist.

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Greetings from the newly minted CEO - Shams Jorjani

Operating under the username BigKahuna_AGS, Jorjani created a lengthy thread on the Helldivers subreddit to introduce himself to the community following his appointment as CEO in early May.