DASH & PAJ of Operation PlayStation Crossover with Betson and Max of For The Players to revisit Spider-Man on PlayStation 4. They also discuss what was innovative, and how some pitfalls of the adaptation could benefit Miles Morales, on PlayStation 5.
Celebrating 3 years of Spider-Man PS4's release, we take a look at what made Insomniac's take on the webcrawler so special.
Is too damn good! along side Miles Morales, visuals, gameplay, combat, controls, fun factor, music, sound effects, you name it!. Insomniac created a Masterpiece of a game. :)
I feel that people don't give enough credit for how good Insomniac has written the story.
They smashed it with the narrative.
Yeah the story is very well written. Extremely underrated by most players. Makes no sense to me. It's excellent.
Pretty much the ONLY complaint I had about Spider-Man (Haven’t played MM yet cause I want to play that on PS5) was that the city of New York was a bit boring. I know it’s very authentic and it looks gorgeous in places, and of course it’s a grid-based city with a lot of medium-height high-rise, but I really wish it would have had a bit more diversity & personality between the different neighborhoods/areas. I know it’s pretty much ‘just’ Manhattan, but the devs did such a fantastic job in creating a fun, gorgeous colorful city in Sunset Overdrive, that the realism of Spider-Man’s NY with all the brown buildings felt a little bit underwhelming …
Tbh my issue was the same. The world felt pretty barren besides what they had designed for it.
"Do you know the part that I loved the most about the narrative? Something I have rarely seen people talk about?"
Felt the same exact way. Doc Oc's story is so damn good. The entire story is amazing. Good article. Shared and tagged Insomniac on twitter. Hope they see it. =)
The entire story is amazing. One more stand out moment is when Peter is texting MJ when she is annoyed by him. The text pop ups, the stunning shots and the way them talking like two actual people talking felt so Spiderman-esque.
And thank you for the shout out. Much appreciated!
The MP1st staff collects votes and picks the top 10 games of this generation, and the winner is something most gamers won't think of as no. 1!
The idea that someone would cringe at an FPS being number one makes me cringe. Especially when they probably haven’t played this game.
As what BlackDoom said. Have you even played its campaign? It's one of the best campaign FPS' ever.
MP is A-tier as well. I love God of War 2018, but even I prefer The Witcher 3 to it.
Brian Intihar, creative director at developer Insomniac Games releases a statement on Twitter following backlash regarding Peter Parker's new look in Spider-Man Remastered.
A few words from me on today’s news... pic.twitter.com/PpdWVuw4Mm
— Bryan Intihar (@bryanintihar) September 30, 2020
What's ridiculous about it? I platinumed the game and loved the main guy, and think that the new one looks weird AF. Nothing wrong with voicing an opinion.
"What's ridiculous about it? I platinumed the game and loved the main guy"
It's ridiculous because it's just a character model.
I also platinumed the game/loved the OG PP, and I don't care enough to whine about it.
I'm not really a fan of the new guy, but I don't have a problem with it either. I think it was unnecessary, but it's Insomniac's game and Insomniac's choice.
It's also only a face, and not a gameplay change.
It does take away.
Those of us who played the regular version grew attached or at the very least comfortable with the new face of spiderman for the games.
There is a connection people make and a judgment that is made. The judgement based on the audience response was that this was a good spiderman.
However, now they have to face the reality that they decided to change the look of spiderman entirely in order to...something something.
When you look at the comparisons there is a stiffness in the new model...at least in what they've shown thus far. This affects the audience reaction to the story elements of the game. It can go from, "that looked great" to "Whats wrong with his face"
But like all things we will get used to the change.
"When you look at the comparisons there is a stiffness in the new model"
Only way to tell is seeing it in action. You can't base how "stiff" something is on a still image.
@ziggurcat
There's a video
A full video of a scene from the game
He's stiff, and it's not as good as the original.
I don't care what the "issue" is I'm not getting upset about an other mans face. Can't do it. Won't do it.
You know Soyn is loving all this free pub though. Worked for TLOU2, you can do it again! Remember the puddles? Fantastic marketing by gamers everywhere. Every time gamers make up a controversy for Sony games they cut their marketing budget half.
Games are a visual medium. You can’t talk about music and say “who cares what it sounds like.”
"Games are a visual medium."
Sure, but in this case it doesn't matter what Peter Parker looks like. It doesn't affect the gameplay at all, and he looks more in line with who they have playing him in the movie franchise.
Also, people complaining that he looks younger than MM fail to understand that there are people who look a lot younger than they are. I'm one of those people. My father is also one of them - if not for his grey hair, you wouldn't know that he's pushing his mid-70's.
“It doesn't affect the gameplay at all, and he looks more in line with who they have playing him in the movie franchise.”
These aren’t the movies. Should they swap out Aunt May’s actress for Marisa Tomei because movies?
Insomniac’s Vulture was bald like the comics/cartoons. They didn’t do MCU’s Michael Keaton. Tom Holland’s also playing Nathan Drake. Better to just keep with their own continuity.
Ehhhh it really doesn't matter, though - continuity or not. It's a remaster of the game, not a straight-up res bump/fps increase, and that comes with some changes.
@Ziggurcat
Actually it is precisely in games where it is extremely important what character models look like.
I personally liked that the actor looked nothing like insomniacs creation.
Looks way better to me TBH, I wouldn't see any justification for complaining either way though.
Why is it every time a big successful game does something that p***** fans off the ones who don't give a shit because it doesn't affect them try and spin it so the people complaining are "bitching" and are "trolls" over a "small issue". No one is calling the game shit, we're just voicing a legit complaint.
Their Twitter is a shit show comments wise, Facebook is, the Youtube ratio is on a downward slope and Reddit isn't much better. This isn't just a small thing, people LOVED Spiderman on the PS4. Changing Peter to a brand new mo-cap / face actor which makes him look completely different is not a small thing, the guy has gone from looking like an older, wiser 23 Spiderman who's been in the game for a long time, to a brand new 15 year old baby face Peter Parker, a guy who you'd expect to hang out with Miles in high school, not be his mentor.
Miles is 15 and Peter is 23 but Miles looks way older, plus seeing this guy dating / flirting with MJ / Black Cat is going to look weird.
Insomniacs "points" don't really land for me, they seem like excuses and I can't believe they wouldn't just go the most logical choice and get a new actor who looks similar to the old Peter model. Are we really supposed to believe it's just a big coincidence the new guy looks almost exactly like Tom Holland, the MCU Spiderman, a version of the character who in the films is a high school student.
@ziggurcat
Are you kidding me?
Course it is, he's the main bloody character, how much in denial can you be? Going off your comments you are either burying your head in the sand because you don't want to admit a decent studio could ever do such a thing (they can no one is perfect) or you don't give a shit to the point where because you don't care everyone else shouldn't.
Imagine if you are watching a film and half way through the film or even in a directors cut they swap the actor around. What about if you are reading a comic book and they decide to get a different artist which makes everyone look totally different because the new guys art style is his own, again it's not something you can brush off. It's a big thing.
It's a legit issue at the end of the day an they shouldn't have done this.
No one would have given a shit about the facial mo-cap stuff being the same as the original in the Remaster, especially for a launch game, they could have easily just waited for the sequel and change things around then when they find a better replacement.
Kratos has changed, Dante has changed, Master Chiefs armor has changed, Solid Snake changed, Link changes every time. Character models change when graphics improve or artists have more time with their characters or whatever, thats creative freedom. This is the kind of things that gets people talking outta both sides of their mouth. Makes me think y'all want artist to have the creative freedom to do whatever you want them to do...
***something that p***** fans off***
Fans shouldn't be pissed off about this, IMHO. They can be disappointed, but not pissed off. And why did you even censor 'pissed'? Pissed off, though, relates to harsh anger towards something. That seems to be an unnecessary amount of concern over this sort of change.
***I can't believe they wouldn't just go the most logical choice and get a new actor who looks similar to the old Peter model.***
Uhhh.... you just told them to recast the voice actor.
Imo the new face looks better. Sure it looks a bit too young but it shares a lot of similarities with MCU Peter, and that is a GOOD thing (why wouldn't it be)? It's better for both medias: Game Spidey and movie Spidey feel now more like the same character.
Also one important point: Easily the biggest graphical downfalls of PS4 Spiderman is the way faces look like. There is this uncanny valley feeling all the time, especially when looking at aunt May and Peter Parker. I actually started to play Spider-Man just one week ago (now around 60% in) and the character face models terrify me. This new look of Peter is a big upgrade in a sense that he actually looks like a real person now. Too young yes, but still better than the old one. I believe a lot of hate comes from die hard fans that are just used to the way Peter looks atm and cannot stand any change. Even for the better.
@xHeavyx
To answer your question, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with you voicing your opinion, regardless on whether you agree or disagree on the subject matter.
In this case, there has been nothing but insults and unwarranted attacks because you have a bunch of man children complaining over a “character model change”.
And who cares if you played the original game? What does that have to do with developers being insulted because of a design change they decided to make?
Amen, if you're really upset about this then the problem is you. There is persistent phony outrage regarding anything Sony.
Another conundrum. Do we allow companies to do what they want or do we want them to censor themselves and do what some of the community want? Which side of the fence will this one fall on compared to other forms of changes that companies make?
Fans shouldn't be forcing devs to stifle their creative vision. They can cry all they want, but it's not something that's up to them to decide.
If it was a new game maybe but its a remaster there is no reason to change a game in a remaster especially since its not a big leap from the original. A remake of an old game i could understand but their reasoning doesn't make sense either. They claim that they needed to change the person who the facial animation is based on because the facial bones in the ps4 actor don't match up close enough with the voice actor. Except the voice actor looks more like the old PS4 model than the new one and i didn't see a problem with the old lip movement. Plus what are the chances the person they find happens to look just like Tom Holland. I think its more likely they wanted it to look like Tom Holland because none of the other characters seem to have to change their actors and you would think they would have put the most effort into making sure the main character had a compatible actor the first time around.
that doesn't mean fans shouldn't voice their opinions. This is entertainment, not some abstract art project
@Bobertt
Nah fam. The new actor's bone structure and face shape are MUCH closer to Yuri's, and that's what matters. Chin, cheekbones, jawline, eye shape, all closer.
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Gamers let them do what they want but also get the right to complain/criticise.
Counter point, they made the game they wanted in Spider-Man PS4 but this change looks more like an attempt to make him look like MCU Spider-Man so this is not the original creative vision. So yes they should change it back to how they had it
Thank you lol. I'm glad ppl are seeing it. This is why I never jump on the censorship hate banwagon. The ppl who complain alot of times are unreasonable or hypocrites. One second they will tell devs they need to do what they prefer. Next they cry censorship. From the moment they did it and cried about SFV, With Cammy and Mika I knew none of it made sense.
This is the devs creative freedom. Did I like the Peter model initially, yes. But I'm not mad at the new model. The game looks even better so no reason to cry.
Not much of a conundrum.
It all depends on what they are doing.
Are they adding predatory mtx's, paywalls, and other forms of BS? Are they gender swapping beloved characters or changning ethnicities?
Do we allow them to pretend we're stupid and not complain about anything at all?
Game developers make money off creating products that people like...it behooves them to be aware of what people will like otherwise they make games nobody likes and lose money.
Censorship is when a media is altered or changed due to pressure. The change or alteration usually revolves around some politcal or cutlural statement. People not liking the new look, considering he remains white, isnt censorship.
***The change or alteration usually revolves around some politcal or cutlural statement.***
9 times out of 10, people see this when they want. Not when it actually happens. Let alone those decisions are because the developer wants to make them, not from pressure from others.
But, glad you got the one side of my argument exactly as intended.
Fans get mad when publishers or other companies don't allow developers creative freedom, so they shouldn't be in the way of it themselves either.
People get upset over the stupidest things. It's just a character model. Who cares.
I think being upset and confused over this is pretty reasonable. The original character art was great, and fans were attached. Myself included.
They should make Ellie African American in the last of us 3 then. Its just a character model mos
Lol damn. Has there been any GOOD news relating to PlayStation lately? It seems like everything posted on here over the last 2 weeks relating to Sony or PS5 has been bad news or controversial.
Which is certainly rare, I'm so used to negative Xbox or Nintendo news instead (and good stories from each sitting in Pending for nearly a whole day)
That total BS. There has always been more negative Sony news than Xbox. Clickbait science is this lol, the most popular console should get the negative articles, that will drive more traffic.
When you trying hard enough, anything can be bad news. We can praise the developer for making the effort to update facial expression, or we can act like they killed our dogs. And sadly a bunch of us chose the latter, making sure there are enough hatred and negativity to go around, as if 2020 isn't bad enough.
Remember when they changed Max's face from Max Payne in Max Payne 2?
No one? Oh ok ...
I totally remember Max Payne 2. The backlash to Timothy Gibbs was real. Needless to say they didn’t bring him back for Max Payne 3.
What are you talking about? It was based on James McCaffrey the actor that voiced max, and they did keep more aligned with that design more so than the original. Which was based on Sam Lake, the writer.
I remember the backlash, but it made sense for the same reasons this makes sense. If you want more realistic facial animations based on qm actors real world reference. Then it helps that the model more resemble the actor.
I think what they did in mgs5 is way Worse. Or the last splinter cell.
Max Payne 1 model was Sam Lake.
Max Payne 2 model was Timothy Gibbs.
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MaxPayne 3 = James McCaffrey
Splinter Cell Blacklist deffo raised some eyebrows when they ditched Michael Ironside.
Well, Tomb Raider was a Reboot after all.
Or are you referring to the Tomb Raider Definitive Edition? Where Lara's face was altered slightly.
LOLOLOLOL this is like the infamous 2 cole change fiasco. The change is so unnecessary and out of nowhere. Aside from 60fps and res upgrades, the game looks exactly the same. Peter was completely fine and his face was the one we all know and love. Ill be keeping my money away from this so called remaster...
Why couldnt you just patch the ps4 version or do a free upgrade sony....
The old Peter was a little ugly lol and looked older than 23. This one seems closer to his age.
you know, to get better performance from the face actor, you know. stuff that is in the intrest of the developer, you know, to make work easier, you know.
Just so you know
The Cole change happened because Cole's old design was inspired by his voice actor, who got fired after he leaked stuff about the upcoming project to his buds, who then put it online.
Some people just look younger than they are.
And come on... 9 is straight hyperbole.
Some people look cool, and some don't. Previous Parker looked cool.
This guy is supposed to be Morales es mentor?
I get it.
I mean all the backlash.
I've shown that character model to multiple neutral parties who don't even game, and every one of them has guessed his age to be between 21 and 24 years old.
He actually looks his age.
I mean, I don't see why they needed to change the face for "next-gen". I thought the facial expressions were great. If anyone needed to be changed I'd have changed Mary Jane just to look more attractive, but hey... I guess only Peter Parker needed a change for "next-gen"? What do I know?
I like this Peter better, but I agree. Mary Jane was the one that I really wish they changed.
They changed it for motion-capture reasons. This model lines up better with the person doing motion capture, which is also the person voicing Peter Parker.
It's only hard when I have to look at her, but I didn't mean to insult your woman.
Never played it so from an outsiders perspective the new actor looks more like what I think Parker should look like.
Anyone remember the backlash from Infamous 2's Cole? They had to change him back. Hopefully they do the same here.
I definitely remember the thumbs down to Cole’s redesign. Was enough for SuckerPunch to edit their edit.
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Your user name just reminded me of the Keifer Sutherland v David Hayter debate.
They never changed Cole back, they just gave him a haircut and a more similar outfit.
That was a dumb move sony should make them change pp face back before this game launch on PlayStation 5
How many actors have played Spider-Man over the years... this is such a ridiculous non-issue, it's just the usual people stirring up drama to try to damage the game.
Yeah...different actors in brand new Universes
You don't see a sequel to Sam Raimi's Spiderman where Toby Mcquire is replaced. If they did that there would have been hell on.
It's happened before, and who cares. It's just drama for the sake of drama... Is the game fun? That's what matters. It's just one over dramatic thing to the next over dramatic thing with you guys.
It has happened several times in the mcu....
Hulk is a recast. Edward Norton was the first mcu hulk and his movie is still considered mcu cannon.
Mark ruffalo did a better job with the part so I guess everyone is fine with it.
You are talking about movie, but this isn’t about movie. This is a remastered of an existing game.
Its the puddle crap all over again. People getting upset over the different visual of a character model, really? It's really going to effect your game-play that much, no its not. They're improving the game with new details and features like 60fps but yet the community main focus is I don't like the character model won't play it now. People clearly need fresh air and a hug.
this new model will be on miles morales and spider-man 2 (most likely), they cant make it an option in all these games, wonder if they could even do a reverse in time for mid november release since they would need to do possibly 2 games while they are still finishing touches on miles morales, a delay is not in their best interest.
Gamers are so FKN whiny. I think the character model looks way better. It's just different to what we're used to. 30 minutes into a 60 hour game you are not going to care.
There was backlash? People were bitching about something? Welp, just another day in gaming.
I like the other face Peter had it went well with the game this new face model makes him look like a Jonas Brother
I prefer the New one a lot. The face models for Peter and Mary Jane especially always felt off to me. Though because of that I really wish they would redo her as well.
Always thought Peter's hair looked kind rough. Like the humidity fried out his hair or something. Haha
So let me get this straight!
PPL says it doesn't matter how Peter Parker looks even if it's not the same face or look like the one I spent 40 hours with because it doesn't affect the gameplay of the game yet the same PPL are already condoning a whole game because of Craig.
Bruh, why you calling out hypocrisy like that? You know that's not how it works. Over here, the argument goes the way I want. And over there? It also goes the way I want.
Except they're not condemning the whole game because of "Craig", "Craig" is just symptomatic of the myriad of issues in that game. Apples to oranges.
it's a face, not life or death. y'all need to chill. i think the face model looks closer to what an actual teenager looks like.
It wasn't the look of Craig's face it was the low poly and poor quality textures.
Completely different issue.
The new model looks more realistic and more next gen where as the old head looked a little uncanny valley.
That said the new head looks too young and a little too much like Shawn Mendes. He looks like the kind of person who would have bullied Parker in high school.
It seems like they just changed it to make him look more like Tom Holland.
I’m sure I’ll adjust to it but it does seem like an unnecessary change that was always going to draw ire from the internet.
They literally explained why they did it. Several times. It has NADA to do with Tom Holland.
The Devs can do as they wish, but in my opinion this is a step back. The best thing about this game was that it was more respectful to the comics than the 20+ mediocre movies that Disney gave us. Had nothing to do with them. If this is some attempt to try to "line them up" then that's awful.
Imagine they have the option for PS4 face and the fans still pissed that it didn't looked next gen.
They can improve the face but they will say "oh boo hoo it still ain't my boy you sucks Insomniac!"
It's the case of "there's nothing you can do to make it right"
So what the hell you guys really want then?
If the crowd decided to keep the stream of hate going it won't change,remember TLOU part II,some channel still have grudge over it and still makes videos about how the game failed to this day.
The new Peter certainly looks more youthful, which is plausible for a young man of that particular age, but I liked his original look just fine. Were they trying to merge his original appearance with that of Tom Holland’s Peter?
First the FatBoys break up and now this ish.
Grown man gamers are whining because the original Peter Parker actor was sexier. I really can't with you lames right now.
I would say that many people did not like the feelings that arose.
"I found this young-faced man very attractive, it hurts my masculinity." 🤭
Looks like he hasn't hit puberty yet. At least the old model looked like he was actually a grown adult. Not a fan.
I'm sorry for all the people who don't like this and understand the concern regarding this change, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt for the track record they have shown with ratchet and clank and because I loved the ps4 entry
Come on guys! Are we actually crying over this. I don't like the new face either. I've just grown accustomed to his old face. But it's ok, ill probably grow to like the new one too.
Also it's best to get used to the new one too. The faster the better. Because he'll be in Spiderman 2 as well.
Peace!
New Peter Parker won't be an issue for me personally as I won't be buying the remastered version of Spider-Man. I wonder if the new Peter will show up in MM though. That could be interesting.
Of course. The game show a impressive evolution in all aspects, but some must try and downplay it... The last one sold what 15 million? because the game is peter parker adventure....? This are the same that was were saying that this remaster was the same just with more rez.... Sad.... The reality is that this remasters looks better then anything they got. Again, what we should be talking is HOW insomniac is able to work on spiderman, Spiderman miles Morales and Ratchet at the same time and all games are so impressive.
I don't like the new facial character model as he looks like a kid & not a seasoned 23 year old Spidey who has taken Miles under his wing & someone that I grew attached to in the first game.
I platinumed the game on Pro & have mentioned several times in prior comments that Spiderman was my PS4 of the generation. So your assumptions are wrong.
I'm still buying the game without question for performance mode and upgraded visuals.
When you think you've reached the limit if how absurdly retarded people can be,you read these comments....it really shows that so many gamers need to get their brains checked, good Lordness help me,lol!!!! Seek help!! Thats my best advice,if you're complaining and put so much effort in doing so about such a stupid little meaningless detail,you got serious problems guys,really.......
#wherethehellareweheading?
When I read the comment
"Who cares? It's just a character model, It doesn't change the gameplay, You only see his face sometimes"
That tells me that you did not get fully immersed in this game the way Insomniac probably meant for you to.
I'm sure you people would say the same thing if 343 made Master Chief look like Gollum.
"Who carez lul, it's just FPS game, no face seen"
This is a legitimate complaint and your apathy towards it is an insult to the dedication and hard work the devs put into the game.
If it is as you say "Just a character model, who cares?" Then why change it in the first place? And if you believe the "It matches the motion capturing better" excuse I don't know what to tell you.
dude, you dont like, but others do. This is close to the movie. Halo. Please. That the worst comparison ever. 100, 1000 comments saying the game didnt looked bad..... dated, old gen. So many here and from mags, like DF, saying ir was a question of ligthning and shadows.... That gameplay was the most important thing.... from a 500 million dollars game in the works for 5 years on the most powerfull console and easy to work with.... What they did here is the transition for spiderman 2 and the model is closer to the movie. And yes, he looks like a kid. Something that i dont like on the movies, because that spiderman never did when he was closer to the avengers....
Who cares about it looking like the movies? This is not the movies OR the comic books, this was it's own thing don't you get that?
Why not make the whole game look like the movies then. MJ, May, everyone.
The biggest problem I have with all these is actually the way in which other opinions are displayed.
If one disagrees with something the media grabs it and says it's a backlash or outrage. As far as I can see it's neither.
Backlash sounds threatening and violent. Which it's not.
It's weird to replace the main character.
Peter Parker is supposed to be older than Miles Morales, but now he looks about the same age imo.
He looks like a 23-year-old.
If there's a problem there, then it's that Miles looks older than he should, not that Peter looks too young.
I like the old spidey look better, but man, what a bunch of whiny b!tches!
Backlash. The new Model looks tons better and more in line with the actual films.
But seriously snowflakes are the ones complaining.
Frankly, no, it doesn't. There's a passing resemblance to Holland at best.
And that's fine, it's not SUPPOSED to be in line with the movies.
I just looked at the comparison and the new one really did look weird. Details matter.
imagine being the good looking facemodel for a really popular franchise, and ppl hate it haha.
Not sure why they felt they had to change it. Now he looks too young for the story they told. Oh well it doesn't reallty matter because how many of us are buying the ultimate miles super extra edition in the first place to actually get the remaster?
Wow. I'm glad my existing copy won't run any better and I get to spend 70 bucks more for this meaningless model swap.
THANKS SONY
omg, this is the most re***ded thing i have ever heard of, over a face difference. i could understand when ninja theory used a different look for DMC, but this. o please
A free upgrade from ps4 to ps5 would go some way to alleviate the backlash, not this cash grab bollocks that you're imposing on your fans
I honestly thought Peter Parker's face was the least realistic face of the PS4 version's Spiderman. I'm glad they're going a different route. We'll see if the new guy's face works better when the game comes out!