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Quantic Dream Doesn't Understand Detroit: Become Human

Of all of the games I have played, Detroit: Become Human tackles so many issues in a way that is so accessible for gamers to interact with, especially given that it nearly mirrors the unrest in the world today as people come together to protest against racism. It’s just so unfortunate that it’s the product of Quantic Dream.

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SinisterKieran1420d ago

i think they know, i heard they made it.

ClayRules20121420d ago

Lol, for real. I absolutely loved Quantic Dreams work on this game! My personal favorite game they’ve made.

Special nod to Heavy Rain...What an emotional ride that game was.

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coolbeans1420d ago (Edited 1419d ago )

1.) That's in the description
2.) The point being made doesn't conflict with that fact either. Another example: "George Lucas doesn't understand what made Star Wars so good." It's not hard to find that kind of response from prequel-haters.

It's also funny how the other QD co-founder (not David Cage) was quick to plant their flag with these BLM protests and tie Detroit's overall messaging with what's occurring right now. Kinda hurts the "not a political game" comfort food previously bandied about.

TricksterArrow1419d ago (Edited 1419d ago )

I don't think that was the issue, though. The issue with Detroit was mostly: "you can't tackle X themes/subjects without digging deeper into them", to which I say: fallacy. Sometimes even the slightest mention of a particular subject is enough to make a person think deeply for him or herself rather than being preachy about it.

coolbeans1419d ago (Edited 1419d ago )

@TricksterArrow

But that's sort of the problem: the issue depends on who you ask now. The other QD co-founder is now utilizing Detroit's messages with the BLM protests while David Cage wanted it to "not have something to say" before its release.

https://www.neogaf.com/thre...

-"Sometimes even the slightest mention of a particular subject is enough to make a person think deeply for him or herself rather than being preachy about it."

Sure, subtle incorporation can be more beneficial in today's age; however, I don't think that's what I (or most others) took issue with Detroit. Pretty much everything outside of the detective storyline hit a different note: themes/subjects about as deep as a puddle AND was incredibly preachy about it. It felt like the creative equivalent of David Cage congratulating himself with "what if...(civil rights/etc.) but with androids" ad nauseum.

rainslacker1419d ago

If the creator didn't want the story to be allegorical, which I felt it heavily was regardless of what Cage said he wanted, it doesn't mean that should it's messages be relevant to something else going on, that it shouldn't be cited as an example of it.

Although, in this case, I feel it maybe is not really very appropriate, and also find the relevant message of the game being stretched to try and make it part of BLM. I feel that may be a rather deep topic of conversation though, and I'm tired and maybe am not thinking it through as much as I should.

S2Killinit1419d ago (Edited 1419d ago )

I think they said that so politically sensitive people who dont like to see anything They dont agree with, would still buy the game.

In a sense they weren't lying either. Some things are societal, but politicians make them political. Justice for everyone shouldn't be a political issue, it is a societal one that has been politicized.

coolbeans1419d ago (Edited 1419d ago )

I think I'll have to--respectfully--disagree/cha llenge the point you're both putting across.

@rainslacker

But aren't you now running into the creative equivalent of having your cake and eating it too? If your initial (but also muddled) assessment of your own artistic work is that it really says nothing except "respect androids or something" despite real-world events mixed in, why then do you get to chime in on your work discussing real-world events when it's convenient? Perhaps I'm looking at this harshly, but I think this harms QD's reputation as artists and taking responsibility for your art. I'm focusing on the executive higher-ups, not their great visual/audio designers and such.

@S2Killnit

Sure. Like it was more marketing ploy to ease peoples' worries about it being preachy (which I think it still was). But then that also throws a wrench into (some of) the gaming community's worldview about politics being "dragged into" games. QD was considered an example of an artistic team not trying to do that with Detroit...only for its co-founder to instantly disrupt that narrative for the potential of netting the game temporary recognition (and maybe more sales). Considering how many gaming brands have latched onto the BLM as well, it's not hard to make a nuanced narrative suggesting whatever companies have said about this topic in the past was with the sole intent of maximizing profits based the way cultural winds blew.

I don't really follow your delineation here. In its current form, the notion of justice communicates a lot of political overtones based on societal structures we've established, not by a politician's whims. When people think of "justice," we're typically considering remediation through legal means (i.e. the state).

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gamer78041420d ago

Totally underrated game. One of my favorites this gen. Can’t wait to see what they are working on next

ClayRules20121419d ago

I’m glad to hear you enjoyed it too. I mean so anxious to see what they’ll be able to accomplish on next gen hardware. I’d love to see “The Dark Sorcerer” made into an actual game. Not sure how you’d go about it, but why not? Lol.

Bismarn1419d ago

Ladies and gentlemen, we finally have conclusive evidence that opinion pieces have no place on N4G.

ChickenOfTheCaveMan1419d ago (Edited 1419d ago )

It's not because it is really about android that the core can't an analogy for racism or sexism. Just like the first X-Men trilogy was about mutants but with a strong analogy for homophobia. Maybe Cage wasn't ready to paint it as one issue thing, and like I said some might take it as a racism minded game, but the point for the game to be based on a sexism issue could be made. It's about inequality of a minority that used to be taught not to think and just do, creating a movement, how to create that movement and the perception of the majority of that movement, and deal with the consequences. It can be applied to so many situations that I think it was right for QD to not make it a one issue thing. I think the writer of this article was very close minded about the wide array of subjects this game was made for.

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Steam’s Refund Policy Change Won’t Affect You Unless You’re A Lowlife

Steam is changing its refund policy, but you probably won’t be affected

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thorstein11h ago

Should have happened a long time ago. People wanting refunds after 50 hours in game.

fsfsxii7h ago

Pc gamers will take this as an excuse to pirate things

KyRo6h ago

I'm not sure why you're getting disgrees. Whilst not all PC gamers are petty, an awful lot of them are lol

Crows906h ago

Entirely untrue. Not any more petty than console gamers. The only large difference is console gamers don't have much of a choice.

qalpha7h ago

Daily reminder that 'TheGamer' is a corporate-generated, anti-gamer, anti-consumer, clickbait web site. They are mostly A.I. generated articles that villainize gamers. They provide nothing positive and actively try to provoke and divide the community through extreme view points and politics. Do not give them any clicks.

Inverno7h ago

Only scumbags? As if people don't play their games on console put in the most amount of hours and return it to GameStop and trade it in for another game. But also how many people are actually do this? And what games have been allowed to be refunded?

DustMan6h ago

You can refund any game you've purchased as long as it hasn't been longer than two weeks, and you've played less than 2 hours. I wish they would change it to 3 hours because some RPG's have so much exposition that you may only get an hour total of complete gameplay. That's my only knock on it. I've refunded plenty of stuff I was just curious to try. I typically stay away from Early Access titles which are the only ones affected by this policy change.

Inverno6h ago

Apparently early access doesn't count, only complete games with a play early preorder bonus.

Gaming4Life19816h ago

I definitely know if I want a refund in 2 hours.

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Media Molecule’s Next Game is Going to be a New IP

A job listing published by the UK studio reveals that its next project will be another entirely new IP.

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Inverno1d 2h ago

The only PlayStation dev I care about tbh.

Inverno7h ago

Dayum did I hit a nerve. Sorry for not liking most of this gens games coming from PS, not really doe.

Cacabunga1d 2h ago

Hopefully doesn’t take them a complete gen to release it

TheColbertinator21h ago

Good. Something not boring, not one of those "make your own game" crap and also on Steam would be nice.

Stopac19h ago

I too like to look for things in the wrong places.

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Outriders Dev's Next Game Has Been Canceled After Publishing Agreement With Take-Two Fell Through

Outriders developer People Can Fly's next game has been canceled after its publishing agreement with Take-Two Interactive fell through.

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Tacoboto2d ago

"the capital group of PCF Group S.A."

If you're getting funding from a group that needs two different ways of Acronyming itself, things will not go the way you want them to.

banger882d ago

If it was more online-only crap then good riddance.

jjb19811d 10h ago

Outriders was crap. They slapped that game together and threw in a loot system to get players' attention. This game was absolutely jank and the always online nonsense made it stutter like crazy. People Can't Optimize.

thorstein1d 9h ago

I liked Outriders but I could see where the artistic vision was compromised. The way the industry is now, it wouldn't surprise me that upper management would scrap something that didn't pull in money via gaas, mts, or other means.