PS5 And Xbox Series X SSD Difference Is a Matter of “Diminishing Returns,” Says Scorn Dev

The game’s director Ljubomir Peklar talks to GamingBolt about the pros and cons of next-gen SSDs.

[darthv72]

This story reminds me of the SSD showdown that Linus did on his YT channel... https://youtu.be/4DKLA7w9ee...

[RpgSama]

Are these developers the only guys talking about the Series X? I mean every other day there's an article about Scorn and the Xbox.

It's literally only them.

[KTF26]

gamingbolt
one interview and 100 articles about it

[darthv72]

It's GB... they like to milk a source dry, and then squeeze out a little bit more for good measure.

[scofios]

Rpgsama

You beat me to it

[bouzebbal]

Gamingbolt and dualshockers.. Both a joke when it comes to milking news.

[fr0sty]

GB is far worse, the worst in the industry, about that. After they run out of info from this interview, they'll fall back on the old "have a no-name dev state the obvious" garbage... "Xbox Series X CPU increase over Xbox One will enable more realism in games: Dev" ... "SSD's in next gen consoles will reduce load times: Dev"

[neutralgamer1992]

RPG

Better get used to it because over the next 7 to 10 days Microsoft will really strong on this PR behind the Xbox series X

Expect to hear from many Microsoft executives on daily basis especially Phil Spencer. Over the last two to three weeks anytime sony has something to talk about or show the very same Microsoft releases bunch of articles in PR (not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing just stating what I think is going on)

[morganfell]

"Gamingbolt and dualshockers.. Both a joke when it comes to milking news."

There is a third site doing it as well.

[S2Killinit]

With everything this dev has said about xbox I doubt it was all in the same interview. Can you imagine how biased that would look.

[TheHan]

Similar to Naughty Dog.

[RazzerRedux]

yeah.....but that is on PC that don't have the hardware for compression and APIs that the new consoles will have. I thought the same thing when consoles started talking about SSD because I researched SSD a while back and found the bottlenecks in PC negated much of the difference between standards.

We don't really know what it is going to mean for console games beyond what Sony and Microsoft are saying and they are both hyping their SSDs up a lot.

This scorn guy is backing up the console and the company who partnered with him so I am not putting a lot into his opinion. Just as many rightfully questioned Tim Sweeney's objectivity in what appeared to be a paid sponsorship of PS5 with his UE5 reveal.

[ProjectVulcan]

PC will have the DirectStorage API by the time Series X launches. It is designed to give low level access to NVMe drives and reduce decompression down from a multicore operation to a small percentage of a single CPU core.

[RazzerRedux]

@ProjectVulcan

Yep! Love that all this new tech will find its way to my PC. Linus will have to revisit this topic when PC games start taking advantage of the new APIs.

[Jin_Sakai]

The developer making an Xbox exclusives game claims the SSD difference is a matter of diminishing returns? Yea ok.

I’ll wait and see what Sony’s 1st party teams are able to do with super fast SSD at their disposal.

[battlegrog]

Sx loads pretty much instantly. The ps5 ssd is going to load a split second faster. I guarentee you both systems will be able todo the same thing and we wont see a revolutionary difference. And guess what that is ok. Im still buying a ps5 and the ps5 marketing can bullshit you all they want. The ps5 controller is nothing new either but they want you to think it is. Best shape design a ps controller has been yes but its nit a revolutionary difference and that is ok. People need to stop this nonsense.

They both will be very similar and the sooner people get they're shit together the better the industry will be. Nitpicking nonsense

[Tacoboto]

@Jin It remains to be seen what that twice-as-quick means.

For third-party games, does that mean a 2 second load versus a 4-5 second one, instead of a 45 second current-gen one? We know they won't go to the effort of PS5-exclusive assets.

For first-party games, will it be like UE5's demo where devs will make the choice of a higher-asset 30fps mode and high-performance 60fps mode?

Or will it evenly balance out with Series X's 10GB-worth of faster RAM and higher CU count?

[neutralgamer1992]

Jin

We all know Sony will actually show games which are truly next generation and are only possible on next generation. This whole generation Sony has supported PlayStation 4 really well and they are ready to move on but PS4 will still get a lot of support from third parties for the next few years

Microsoft on the other hand has gone soft this generation and now when it's time to move on for some reason they want to stay behind to show support for older consoles. There is no way a game that has to run on a system with SSD and 12 teraflops can also be made to one on a system that is one teraflop that is the exact definition of holding back the developers

I guess more power to them they're giving Sony a huge advantage out of the gate. you could already play Xbox games on PC and on top of that their next generation machine isn't even required to play their games

Once again more power to them we will see once both consoles launch which company made the right call

[mandingo]

It’s not about what first party does it’s about what third party does because that’s 90 percent of games. The record will show not a huge difference. Watch.

[DOMination-]

The Xbox One X is twice as powerful as the base model PS4 but the games don't look twice as good and if anything they are twice as bad as anything Sony have published.

SSD is not new technology. Many on here will have m.2 drives in their computer or Laptop. I have a Samsung EVO 970 myself which is probably comparable to what will be in the XSX. Guess what? There is still loading. I just booted up Premiere Pro and it still took 20 seconds.

Rationally thinking, it depends on how optimised this is. If the XSX is only going to take a few seconds to load anyway, there isn't going to be much of an advantage. However, if we are talking about PS5 taking ten seconds and XSX taking 20 seconds, suddenly that becomes more important. Very interested to see it all in action across both platforms.

[Imortus_san]

Ps5 will give you the worst experience in 99% of the games a bit faster.

[Games1st]

That’s for pc that has many bottle necks between ssd and real time performance.

[gravedigger]

Says the guy who works only for Xbox/PC platform and doesn't have a PS5 devkit. Basically a MS PR

[Malice-Flare]

seeing as your game has been in development before PCIe M.2 drives became standard on PCs, i'd blame your game design method more than the new tech for that diminishing returns...

[Smclaren1985]

Thank you my friend someone who is actually talking sense there litterally the only team that’s made such an idiotic statement there’s at least 10 other developers all raving about the diff a ssd will make and it’s more to do with IO throughput plus the vrtual memory on tap too so it’s not just standard ssd like it would be if you put one into you console today

[CaptainObvious878]

I'd also be surprised if they had a ps5 dev kit, so how would they even know?

[Aenea]

And I am sitting here wondering how the Scorn devs think about diminishing returns with only a 15-20% GPU power difference. Hmmmm

[crazyCoconuts]

Pekler, Scorn Dev, ignore

[xer0]

This dude hasn't even shown any game play... Apart from the thought provoking art direction, off the back of HR Geiger and Moebius - this game is looking kinda pointless and boring.

I think MS made a bad decision by purchasing exclusivity on a troubling title and a struggling development studio.

[Profchaos]

The game was pretty troubled a while back it could be the studio is struggling so taking ms money may be the key to getting it out and they can also get a first party deal out of it and that's obviously what they are after

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Profchaos - Could be they bit off more than they can chew.

[Scapton]

There is gameplay, albeit a very old demo that has apparently been reworked completely - https://www.youtube.com/wat...

In fact the game was originally on Kickstarter and barely scraped its funding goals. - https://www.kickstarter.com...

[Kavorklestein]

I think the game looks intriguing and I have loved Xenomorphs and H.R. Giger since I was like 11 years old.
I don't think MS made a bad decision supporting a project like this. It's artistic and morbid and exciting from what I saw, and I hope it does well.
I think a lot if people would be SO much happier if they focused more on what makes gaming so great and less on the financial, marketing, and sales aspects of the Big 3 companies.
Like unless any of the big 3 were gonna go out of business then why worry about their money?
I'm just hoping next gen as a whole delivers like SONY and MS are saying it will.

Scorn looks like it should be good, it seems like a great idea/setting, so I have my fingers crossed.

[Smclaren1985]

Exactly lol the game they showed wasn’t even the actual game and it was running on a pc RTX 2080 lol

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

*RTX2080Ti - I thought.

[ApocalypseShadow]

The difference is in the developer knowledge and experience. Sony's developers have been making advanced game engines for a long time. And has a larger group of studios that have been sharing ideas in programming for a very long time. I believe they'll be realizing their visions a lot sooner than most in using the SSD efficiently. While not using something like UE5. UE5 is great but a middleware engine Sony helped with so that others can get up to speed and make some high quality games. Wouldn't make sense to leave 3RD parties and Indies out in the cold wondering how to make games.

We'll definitely see something in about a week. Yes sir. Then we can come back to this developer's article and review his comments.

[Smclaren1985]

Very well explained 👍

[ZeroX9876]

What game did this studio do in the past? I have absolutely no clue who this dev is....

[Tross]

That's why they're featured in Gamingbolt says dev articles. It's practically mandatory that they feature relatively obscure devs.

[ElementX]

I think the his idea is that, lets say you have 10GB of RAM for the GPU, PS5 will fill it in a little over a second, Series X a little over 2 with compression (at current compression levels). That one or two second difference is nothing, considering how much data is actually on screen at once. Both consoles would fill the RAM fast enough because you take seconds to move from point A to B or even to turn in-game. Don't even try to claim one screen of visuals is going to require 10GB/Sec, that's an absurd amount of data.

[rainslacker]

One second is an eternity in terms of processing. A game loop that runs at thirty times a second, has done that 29 times in 1 second before something is filled. If we're talking about graphics, then a render loop is going to be 33ms at 30fps, and 16ms at 60fps.

That extra second can mean quite a big difference depending on how the game is set up.

[ElementX]

Loading is typically done in chunks for open world games. By the time you reach the edge the next one is already loaded. Devs don't have to load as far away now due to SSDs, they can focus on more details closer to the character instead of using IO for distant chunks, but nowhere near 10GB. I believe chunks will still be the norm, but as I said, more detailed environments. It depends upon the engine and development. The GPU takes assets from RAM, don't believe the streaming to GPU crap. The RAM is much faster than any SSD IO.

[rainslacker]

That's one scenario. And I would agree with you in general, games are probably still going to be loaded in chunks. The chances that a game will fully just load up what assets it needs for an individual frame is a real extreme way to handle such things.

Instant access would be more for things that you may not want to hold in memory because they won't get used much, but you would want quick access to them. A good example would be a LOD high quality texture and object asset when you use a sniper scope. When not scoping, the asset may be far away, and the object may have 1/4 the normal polys, and the texture may be very low quality. But in the time it takes to zoom in, which is often less than a second in FPS, you could have the high quality asset and object loaded and ready before the scoping animation is complete. This frees up memory overall, because you don't have to keep that higher level LOD in resident memory at all times, which allows for more freedom to keep other assets of higher quality there, and frees up memory for general game loop processing.

The above example I think that the XSX is probably fast enough though. Loading assets in a scenario like above is never going to be a complete wipe and fill of the memory. Rather, more likely a set group of commonly used assets, with smaller assets streamed in on demand, then removed when memory needs to be cleared out for other things.

This is one of those discussions where the potential to do something isn't always going to end up being the normal practice. However, Cerny didn't lie when he said that assets could be loaded in as fast as you could turn the camera. That means for every frame, the required assets could be loaded for every frame of camera movement. That can happen at 60fps on PS4, assuming the game supports it. The XSX can not achieve that at 60fps. XSX could probably manage it at 30fps, or maybe do predictive loading for a few frames ahead. However, again, this probably also isn't the way this tech will be used regularly.

So, in the end, it comes down to a "it depends" scenario. If the tech can be used to improve the game, then a dev might use it, which can help with other things. In this regard, Sony has more than diminishing returns. real world practice though, the dev here may not be that far off in what he's saying from a practical application viewpoint.

[ElementX]

Generally people look around a lot, that would require constant reloading of textures as the character panned around and back again. That's an extremely wasteful use of processing and throughput. With chunks the whole area is loaded and it's much more efficient to keep the textures in RAM

[rainslacker]

I agree in a general use scenario, it wouldn't be practical to design one's game like that. But there are going to be scenarios where it would make sense to load in textures that quickly. Scoping is on. Maybe turning in a horror game where the jump scare is loaded in for a short bit but then isn't needed anymore. LOD's for objects that can be inspected. Bringing up a detailed 3D map, or switching between different types of maps.

One interesting thing I thought of, and have been piddling around with at home, was having an explosion of a static object. Something like a wall. The original object is replaced with a more complex object with physics attached to it that would only be needed for the actual explosion, and then when the explosion was done, the debris would be another object which would occupy the scene. This could be done with a scripted object, or allow it to be dynamic based on other interaction in the event, but it's adaptable to what's trying to be achieved. Having something like this for every object in the scene would be a huge waste of memory resources, but being able to load it in a split second could create a very dynamic way to interact with an environment. This is even beyond the kind of explosion detail that MS was showing with CD3, although the physics themselves may not be as extensive as what MS was trying to show with cloud compute.

Like I said, there are lots of ways it could be used creatively, but in those cases, fractions of a second matter to the feeling of immersion, as there is no perceptible delay between when it should happen, and when it does happen, and resources aren't wasted for something that may never happen.

[Destiny1080]

xbox gamers are losing sleep over this

microsoft went with your typical next gen design, except for that broken ram setup

Mark Cerny is anything but typical everything in the ps5 is custom designed, from the sound chip that can be used for different tasks, having the fastest GPU on the planet, having the fastest SSD on the planet, All new Controller & All new sound, PS5 is build for the next generation of gaming

xbox gamers are like we know its just a Pc but at least it will have better lighting, right

Lets say the xbox can calculate 14 bounces of ray traced lighting giving a wonderful natural feel and the poor PS5 can only calculate 10 bounces of ray traced lighting giving a wonderful natural feel it boils down to practically nothing

[ElementX]

I'm not losing sleep! I've got money in the bank for PS5 and Series X. It's just my guess as to what he's referring to. He was talking about world building and using more details in a smaller area. I was just thinking he might be referring to world loading when he was talking about SSDs, which is going to be plenty fast on even the slower Series X SSD. If a game runs better on PS5 due to the SSD, I'll get a copy on that console.

[--Onilink--]

Everything about the SX is custom designed too... not really sure why you are just glossing over how much they have discussed the “velocity architecture” which is just a naming convention for the same kind of customization Sony did in everything I/O and Memory related.

Both consoles are extremely similar. You will see minor gains from the GPU in some scenarios for Xbox and you will see minor gains from the PS5 in the use of the SSD.

Its not like any of them are a generarion apart in any aspect

[tontontam0]

Suddenly a typical gamer becomes an expert.

Sony spent millions on the design, do you think they would just approve this design choice, they probably did a lot of testing and surely first party devs will utilize the speed.

[kneon]

@ElementX

"Loading is typically done in chunks for open world games. By the time you reach the edge the next one is already loaded"

That is how it was done to deal with limitations in memory and time to load the scene. The whole point of the PS5 SSD is that devs no longer have this artificial limitation. The SSD can load assets so fast that they can load the scene as you turn. So no more unnecessary corridors/elevators etc. and no more pop in.

[FPS_D3TH]

Texture pop still a thing on Xbox X in large open world games by the sounds of it.

[aaronaton]

Empty cans make the loudest noises.

[galmi]

so...ps fanboys 🤣😂

[BrainSyphoned]

Scorn say this Scorn says that. So glad MS got them on board to run PR, hope their product has as much content.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Strange isn't it, on the other fence you have the GodFall devs just going about their business.

Completely different approach to marketing and generating hype.

[outsider1624]

Speaking of which, we haven't seen anything Godfall have we? I really want to know more about it. Just saw clippets of gameplay.

And it's the only game built for Next gen. Hope we see more

[rainslacker]

Truthfully, I doubt MS is setting up interviews for this dev if the site is gamingbolt. They're not exactly a go to site for people have have connections in the industry. They're good for lesser known devs, because at least these devs get a chance to have their game out there, even if Gamingbolt barely covers the actual game.

[borneFROMblood]

just weird that they are the only ones that praise XSX...

[Profchaos]

They really want the Microsoft first party offer. It's not about raw speed but custom architecture

[Lexreborn2]

But the Scorn devs didn’t even have their game running on Series X... not sure I trust what they say until they show results

[Jsm89k]

Scorn devs are in some serious damage control. Almost every major developer has praised the ps5s ssd and scorn devs are trying hard to downplay it.

[rainslacker]

I actually read this interview, and while I think they are BS'ing on some things, the answers to these questions seem more like responses to some craftily designed questions to illicit a response such as this from a dev who isn't specifically qualitied to actually talk about it.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

I agree with this. It will be the horsepower that the GPU provides, aided by a top notch CPU that will make the biggest difference.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Don't forget to tune in next week, you might have a change of heart.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

I will certainly be tuned in. Hoping for a Socom revival, and a new Killzone game, among other things.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

I'd be on board with those but MAG would have to be at the top of my wish list.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

True, MAG would be great too.

[ziggurcat]

How would he know if they're only developing their game for Xbox/PC?

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Funny how the PC is the bottleneck in that instance.

[tagzskie]

I'm just curious what are the games they've made before scorn?

[DreadGara]

Nothing, they were playing solitaire on Windows before they started developing.

[The_Sage]

Lol

[THC CELL]

Anyone else getting sick of these developers already. I mean ya boring us and gamebolt should join hip hop gamer

[Kakashi Hatake]

So double speed is dimenishing returns but 18 percent power difference is remarkable.... tell me more...

[borneFROMblood]

people say TFlops this and TFlops that.
Well if they want their TFlops
PS4 has 1.4 Tflops
Xbox One X has 6 Tflops
And there are games that look better on PS4 than on Xbox one X

Give a car to a child, he will have no idea how to drive it
Give it to a professional racer, he will cut turns at 160km/h

[slavish0]

lol only on n4g do load times matter more then graphical horsepower and cpu straight and memory spead. 😖

[borneFROMblood]

Dozens developers
Legendary people like Sweeney and Carmac
Tech people like The Cherno, engineer of Frostbite

and then there's Scorn developers....

This is laughable

[ajax17]

Isn't gamingbolt owned by Microsoft 🤔

[Games1st]

It is for inefficient ssd systems like pc, which is one of the platforms they are targeting.

[waverider]

Of course because You are making a game also on the ps5? Nope You arent. You dont even got a Sony devkit and You are a average studio at best...

[Loktai]

Epic games says it's a good thing and scorn who nobody cared about pretty much is suddenly a game and developer worth watching for Xbox guys. This is like ... Sad.

Do you know why this guy is praising Xbox and why he's willing to say this dumb stuff....?

As a multi plat game the thing would be overlooked and sell like no units . As an exclusive they will sell like crazy to just the Xbox crowd. .It's the last hope of a studios who's everything is just a flash in the pan and can't even create an art design that isn't a direct ripoff of HR giger.

[borneFROMblood]

cause Scorn has a deal with MS, and it's console exclusive. No other dev says that, cause they dont want to damage their reputation. So MS found a goat that will say anything for money, and there's no reputation to begin with.

[tontontam0]

Hey scorn dev you can stop talking now, we get it your game is xbox exclusive, there is no need to market it more, xbox gamers will buy the game, but your game is not somekind of big hit game that will make someone jumpship to xbox.

[ChristopherJack]

That's the impression I have too, we're definitely going to have to wait & see if Sony was able to achieve anything special with their extra speed.

The most obvious improvements, loading & app switching, I feel will definitely be impacted by diminishing returns, but this is the first time that they're actually designing games to include an SSD as a minimum so it will have some impacts on development design too.

A lot of these processes are already performed primarily by the still much faster RAM with the Disc drive supplementing it, such as rendering. If they can prove that the extra speed over the XsX greatly improves rendering it may well prove it's value too otherwise it'll just be exactly the same as the Xbox One X vs PS4 Pro all over with the Xbox having a noticeable graphics buff (though obviously that alone isn't going to give Microsoft a win next gen).

[jznrpg]

They get a bonus for every statement that tries to downplay PS indirectly ?

[Ronin-Z]

Same guy who said "series x would allow their game to have same parity as pc version." sometimes people just say weird things that don't make much sense I guess

[mkis007]

lmfao and gpu power isn't??

[RazzerRedux]

Good point. If you want to talk about diminishing returns then you'll find GPUs are a great example. The difference between a RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2080 Super is over 2 TF but you typically see maximum 10% difference in performance running at the same settings and resolution.

[Hedstrom]

From what i gathered is that Sony has been pushing to make the SSD so fast that you don't have to have the texures you don't se in the ram. So when you turn around the texures behind you gets loaded from the SSD into the ram and are ready to be used. And this is why in the UT5 demo you could have 8k textures. If the SSD would be slower you wouldnt be able to do that, you would have to lower the quality of the textures to be able to fit all textures around you in the ram.

But i guess time will tell.

[chiefJohn117]

So much for the secret SSD sauce lol

[AuraAbjure]

haha

[The_Sage]

Nice one, chum.........p.

[leejohnson222]

OK so one dev who doesn't work with the other platform discussing this isn't exactly balanced or subjective. 3rd party would be better to ask

[ILostMyMind]

Oh, these paid Microsoft's devs...

[lazyboyblue]

Jeez the comments on that site. And I thought N4g was bad.
People argue over these machines like zealots arguing over who's God is greater.
Why are peoples minds made up already? We've seen next to nothing of games yet. I'm not in a position to buy both this time around so I shall wait until I've seen what both parties offer before deciding which to buy.
One thing I won't be doing is coming on here to tell others why the one I bought is better than theirs.
Unless they really deserve it. 🙄

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

SCORN DEVS, but graphics are not a story of diminishing returns? Scorn devs shilling for MS, hilarious. Not sure why this guy seems he needs to market for MS, and go against every other dev..transparent.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

Carmack and others disagree with this guy who happens to be making an xbox exclusive...gee I wonder...

https://venturebeat.com/202...

QUOTE: On top of all that, developers and publishers continue to praise the design of the PS5. Some have told GamesBeat that it is has a better architecture than any console in history. So studios may find it a joy to work with

[gerbintosh]

I like how the guy states that he feels that it will be a matter of diminishing returns with no type of reasoning behind that statement. The article headline should reflect that this is an Xbox developer trying to downplay the significance of the PS5 SSD over the Xbox SSD.....shocking. This would be like writing an article where McDonald's states that there are diminishing returns in regards to plant based substitutes.

[S2Killinit]

This is the same dev. No wonder they are playing MS’s flute

[OpenGL]

Of course a developer making a platform exclusive will downplay the advantages of the platform they're not supporting.

[DaniMacYo]

Phft don’t listen to him. He’s paid promotion.

[Minute Man 721]

If you guys really wanna know what the SSD will really do just check out DF

[Locutus_of_borg]

Just a question, and im referring to both consoles, but from what ive read an SSD comes with a guaranteed performance of a certain amount of data over a certain amount of time, after that it can become unstable, so does that mean using an SSD as virtual ram will decrease its usable life? or has technology moved on beyond the article i just read ?

[xenz]

Some people on this comment section doesn’t seem to understand the true advantage of super fast SSD other than “faster loading”. Trust me, it’s much more than just that.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

Devs have already explained why but fanboys be fanboys, ignorant and all that

[xenz]

Everyone should watch this game engine developer break down “the road to PS5” event.

https://youtu.be/erxUR9SI4F...

[borneFROMblood]

Why we hear only Scorn developer talk as if they are so technological and experienced dev. Please MS , you can do better

[lellkay]

I'll tell you what, we'll be sure to compare Scorn to the a next gen Naughty Dog game or a Guerilla game running on PS5 and he can then tell us the SSD has diminishing returns.

[overlordror]

Who cares. Next box got more gigaflops woooo

[Tetsdah]

That is fascinating. Considering the majority of devs have been praising next gen adoption of ssd, i think you're Scorn dev. Then I find the statement of the difference being down to diminishing returns equally fascinating.

GPU: 15-18% difference = Massive delta
SSD and I:O: 150+% difference = Neglible, Diminishing returns.

Sigh...

[Minute Man 721]

"1 teraFLOPS (TFLOPS) computer system is capable of performing one trillion (1012) floating-point operations per second. The rate 1 TFLOPS is equivalent to 1,000 GFLOPS. To match what a 1 TFLOPS computer system can do in just one second, you'd have to perform one calculation every second for 31,688.77 years"

XsX has 2 more TFs and can perform 2 trillion more floating-point operations per second so downplay it.

But how much information can u send til we get diminishing returns? Because both SSDs are customized to do the same thing but the one in the PS5 is faster. Both systems are designed to only render what you are looking at, less taxing than rendering an entire section of a level every 30 or 60 fps @ 4K so the visual fidelity will be outstanding on both consoles. If you swing the camera around it starts rendering whatever you are looking at and that's where the SSDs come into play. Pop-ins will be a non issue but more so on the PS5 due to its faster SSD speed.

If you remember last gen Fight Night the character models were outstanding and everything else wasn't. Well on next gen everything will look outstanding due to the SSDs

[Spicyram]

Just curious, what grounds does this "Scorn dev" have to stand on when commenting on the Ps5's SSD? they arent developing any games for ps5 and probably haven't even touched a PS5 dev kit yet?

When another company builds an entirely playable demo running natively on a ps5, and they say this about a console's SSD:
"a completely new storage architecture that blows past architectures out of the water, and it’s so far ahead of even the state-of-the-art in the highest-end PCs you can buy."

I think it's fair and reasonable to say Sweeney's comments hold more weight. For people saying Sweeney was paid to say this: I highly, highly doubt the CEO of a massive, well established company like Epic games would make a misleading claim which could bring his reputation and the image of his company into disrepute. So im going with Sweeney and Epic games on this, seeing as they have actually also produced full on gameplay to back up their claim, unlike this no name/nowhere dev.

[Minute Man 721]

SSD isn't new, the PS5 one is just faster than anything out

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None of this really matters all that much, because truthfully only first party games are truly going to take advantage. Third party games might, but they’re going to go with the least common denominator. Meaning that if the Xbox series X drive can do 5 to 6 GB compressed a second, that is what they are going to shoot for for both platforms. The thing is, if you look at the specs of the consoles, it looks like there’s a little bit of difference in the numbers.... But once you understand the feature sets, they’re not all that different. They are both increasing I/O using hardware decompression to speed up the already fast SSD drives that are in them. Both using those features to not only load games faster, but stream data near instantly to the memory.

I Imagine the SDKs are going to have similar features too. To help developers get the most out of the hardware using software. Sony with their own development kit and Microsoft with direct X 12 ultimate. I can’t wait to see what developers do with both systems. I plan on getting both on day one. If this generation has taught me anything, the best thing Hey gamer can do is experience both worlds. Sony has some of the best first party stuff, while third-party stuff runs better on the X. With Microsofts Acquisition of so many new studios, it looks like gamers can experience greatness across both consoles. Should be an incredible fall. A very expensive one too, LOL.