It’s not analog controllers. It’s not working replica memory cards. It’s not even the lack of an included AC adapter just so you can run the damn thing straight out of the box. What the PlayStation Classic is missing is a huge opportunity: A seeming and total lack of PSN purchase integration, and furthermore, an omission of any kind of digital storefront to add software beyond the 20 included titles.
As if it wasn’t already hard enough to play old PlayStation games like Final Fantasy VI.
I saw this earlier. A whole bunch of purchased PSOne Classics are now "expired" despite being paid for. That had better be a glitch.
Super easy to just pirate them, if this is the case ;). Digital sucks blah blah. Could be because of Sony's impending service/digital infrastructure changes and the "expiration" only being a hitch and remedied later.
I wouldn't blame digital for this, this is a DRM issue and DRM can be on physical or digital copies. A DRM free copy of a digital or physical game should never have this issue.
I didn't blame digital, I figured someone would chime in and shit on digital because there always has to be a war. The typical "you don't OWN the game" argument, and yea DRM is another thing. Hence the remark followed by "blah blah". They're going through some changes for their new services out this June, who knows what's going on in the bones. Remember when people saw PS3(category) games on the PS Store on PS5, something like that? Crazy stuff. Unexplained? 🤷♂️🤷♂️
I don't actually want to jailbreak my PS3 because I like being able to connect to PSN. I use it to play a few games that still have online and occasionally download something from my download list.
What I don't get is, the digital games on those systems don't have internal checks or verifications after download when you buy them. So how that's even happening is a headscratch.
Especially when all mine work right now
Also, pretty sure there are verifications for licenses.... Not sure about Classics, but I've often had to Restore licenses or couldn't launch on another account. There's definitely some encryption going on.. Not sure online checks on purchased content, but definitely verification(or at some point). I've seen expiration dates on games as far back as late years on PS3, but can't remember what content, could have been for PS+, but now I wonder if every game has an internal expiration date. Definitely present on PS4 and PS5.
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PS4 and PS5 use a verification system.
On PS3 and Vita it Verifies on Install and that's the end of it. I'm not even just saying this. It's an absolute fact. I just today updated my PS3 and put it online for the first time since 2013 and before I did that, I launched PSOne Classics and PS3 games. The only thing I didn't get to play was my Spyro and FFV which was because they were from PS Plus and THOSE needed verification as the last time I downloaded them on it, my PS Plus expired 2015 so I needed to verify any day after that date, Not a day inbetween. From 2016 ish I took the time to learn how Verification worked on Vita because I had a PS Plus issue where I was going somewhere for a week and my PS Plus expired the day after I left. I had no internet when I left and added a year right before I left. I needed a verification to update the expiry because the system will never check even once until it expires. Which owned games it will never check after installed. That is as long as the account is on the console of course.
I also want to note I own about 75% of PSOne Classics on Vita and PS3. Even a ones that don't work on Vita normally, like in NA Crash and Spyro wasn't on Vita and I have them on mine from the glitch time on PSN and my Crash games never needed verification over the years, updated my vita like 3 months ago after not doing so since 2018 since I only played what was on it anyways.
I tested every game people seem to have issues with including Chrono Cross, trigger, Threads of Fate, etc. None have verification at all. So anyone with the issue is 100% dealing with a glitch
So one person said they played a game just fine, then downloaded the game so they could back up the installer file. Once they downloaded the installer it changed expiration date of the original, already installed copy of the game.
Probably a glitch... I just checked my PSOne Classics in my Vita (fat ver). The PSNplus and purchased ones are working without issues.
Try redownloading one of those games. Don't uninstall it. Just download the installer and see if that triggers it. That's what made a game expire for someone else. Downloading the installer made the already installed copy expire.
Seems like Sony is only having this issue at the moment.
I have games going back to the late 80s on multiple storefronts on PC, and there's not a single game that ever told me I wasn't allowed to play it.
Eat ze bugs. Live in ze pod. You can't play Spyro anymore because ve must sell it to you again.
Na technically you still own it just access it. Beside it probably glitch and also if i paid for it imma emulate it.
I'm going to check too.
Edit: I just tried Street Fighter Alpha 2 and just started Tomb Raider 2 and it works.
Definitely a glitch some maybe having. I tried the same games before signing into my account after years and they were fine. Including Chrono Cross and tried after signing in and updating, Then checked the info and it was fine. I'm assuming maybe it's people downloading and trying to play games now having the glitch. As I don't know how it's possible to have that issue with games that have no verification checks after purchase and download lol
My only digital games are the ones Sony gave us for free after their servers were hacked (Infamous and LittleBigPlanet is what I picked), about 10 PS1 and 1 PS2 game which so happens to be The SpongeBob game Sony removed from the store shortly after release but it still lets me download because I bought it I guess.
Plug-in and play machines like the Atari consoles from the days of yore (early 2000s) have given way to official "mini" consoles from companies like Nintendo, Sega, and now Sony with its recently announced PlayStation Classic. For some, these consoles are an easy way to play licensed retro games with a level of confidence in the quality of the product. But as retro games become hot commodities again, what does this signal for retro gamers and historians?
Quality of product?
For years now emulators had far better quality than any of this classic garbage.
I like that it gives kids an easy way to enjoy some classics that they might not try without this packaged format
These systems are a means to enjoy classic games, legally, without having to invest in the originals hardware, while enjoying something that looks and feels like it to an extent. The PlayStation one has the only official re-release of Tekken 3, so I'm kind of stoked about that.
Sony answers some lingering questions about the PlayStation Classic's functionality.
what the hell ? the PS Classic it isn't supposed to be a full fleshed console, what's next you will ask for crossplay in it? lol, seriously gaming journalist be rational.
I'm going to get it and play it like I did my original PS1. Which means I will have it upside down when I game.
I kid... I kid
But seriously, I had to have my PS1 upside down when I played.
It better have crossplay, I want to be able to play Spyro 1 multiplayer with other consoles!!!
If it doesn't have share play, all the video services/on demand etc, voice chat, screenshot/video sharing on fb and YouTube, cross play, dlna media server, play my old dvds it's a no buy from me 😁
That, and 50% more power, and of course a dualshock.:)
Seriously though, I skipped out on the NES mini, because despite it being a neat little collectors item, I found it ultimately pointless given that I have an NES which works just fine. There is even an HDMI mod for it and the SNES which I never bothered with, but is there should I choose to install one. I looked at the NES one's no different than the other systems which released under a similar principal, in that while it's cool and all, not something that is really going to be much benefit to my collection. For that reason, I'll be skipping the PS Mini as well, because I don't really see any point in it, since I'm likely to own the games it comes with anyhow.
Online play doesn't make sense but I thought that with 20 games, there was possibly a plan to add games later, especially because Nintendo didn't. Such a small selection by comparison at that price really kills it for me. Feels like they made it just to make it.
But it’s not even good as s mini console. 5 old games for $100!?? Be objective for once. All of you. If this was ms you all would be laughing and hating.
I think this article was just answering those questions. Nobody necessarily expected it to, but obviously Sony felt it pertinent to address them. Relax dude.
It's a collector's item... And it will have some of the games that made PS1 such a success. People have gone out of their way to criticize this thing as if Sony had announce the PS5 and stripped off a gazillion features. From complaints about not featuring dualshocks, not having online, and not being able to expand games I've heard just about all. The ironic part is that for a while you could get a PSTV for about $40 and with that you could play PS1, PSP and Vita games (not all but still), use dualshocks 3 or 4 and have online connectivity... and the system flopped.
Obviously if it has a classic look, instead if just looking like a portable hard drive, people will buy it up for nostalgia purposes. I think Sony dropped the ball, because they could of made this a vita system, and maybe revitalized the software sales for it.
But I do find it funny just how many people seem to care about bc, then they had this pstv system available for cheap for years now, often sold for cheap with games included, had ps+ igc ps1 games for$60 a year, and could play ps1 and 2 generations of ps portable games, and no one thought maybe it was worth it....even when it was $40. Some if the same people saying how Sony is screwin up this mini now because of the bc issue, I remember taking great joy in the vita being a failure, and laughing at how even when the pstv was dropped to $40, it wasn't worth it.
But now they have a mini which is capitalizing on the hype that nintendo.built for their minis, and Sony is doing something terrible because they don't offer bc.
People really don't think their arguments through, and completely ignore any real plausible solution to their apparent dilemmas when it goes against their real motive of finding a reason to criticize sony.
I was really let down because the PS4 couldn't play PS1 games. I got the PSTV a while back and instantly had almost my whole PS1 digital library available. People who really care about PS1 BC should know that there are alternatives. But that's not really what the PS Classic is about.
No doubt. I was disappointed about lack of BC in PS4, but ultimately, it didn't affect me as I just kept my PS3. I actually thought there may not be PS3 BC in the PS4, but was surprised by the lack of PS1 or PS2 BC. Anyhow, I have a PSTV, and its a nice little system for digital BC of PS1 games, not to mention PSP games and of course the Vita games. I brought mine at launch, but they could be gotten for so cheap not too long after release that anyone who actually cared really should have considered it because it was cheaper than buying just the controller which came with it anyhow.
I think the people clamoring about BC now don't care so much about BC, or playing their old games, because if they really cared, they would have found alternatives long ago, instead of bitching about it for years now, and there wasn't much complaint about it at the start of this gen anyhow when no one offered it. When MS made a solution for it though, suddenly a lot of people seemed to start caring.
I think its alright to criticize or pressure Sony for PS1(at least digital), and PS2 BC if they have an emulator and its possible. MS showed there is a reasonable solution which seems accepted by some publishers well enough. But the kind of bitching and criticism that I see now over the topic is just kind of silly....particularly when it's with a mini system which is in no way intended to be some form of BC solution. There was more merit to the PSNow criticism involving BC than there is over this mini, but even the PSNow stuff was a weak allegory as well since it was essentially a completely different service from BC.
The DualShock complaint is a legitimate one though.
Of the five games announced, already one of them is a racing game, and since there's no control stick it limits what games can be on this system. Who wants to play Ridge Racer with a D-Pad only? That's nonsense.
Did not seem to matter that much in 1995. This is a replica of the classic playstation. Did the classic playstation come packed with daulshocks. No. That was an update.
Even in modern day racers I switch to dpad for steering in the control menu.
Much better than the thumbstick imo.
The Ridge Racer game that comes with it came out in 1998, when the DualShock was released. So yes, it does matter much. If it didn't matter then why have every single Playstation variation and future release come with a standard DualShock with control sticks? Clearly it's the best way to play Playstation games. Also, it gives more choices to players. If you want to use either the D-Pad or control sticks, you can pick. Now you're stuck with one option.
@Sgtslaughter...with all due respect the original PS1 ridge racer released in 1994 on console, and what an awesome racer that was.
There was no dualshock with thumbsticks available then.
If they are releasing the 1998 version...I believe most players still used the dpad as the thumbstick ds was still in it's infancy.
I remembered playing long hrs with the d-pad. Though pretty nostalgic, i seriously don't miss having blisters and indented thumb.
R4: Ridge Racer Type 4 is the game included which came out in Dec. of 1998 (1999 for the rest of the world), and the DualShock came out in late 1997. The Dual Analog (no rumble) controller came even earlier than that in early 1997. The PlayStation only existed without a control stick controller for a little over one year.
I can guarantee 90% or more of players who played it used control sticks. More power to those who choose not to but don't restrict control options.
There were very few games that actually required the analog sticks. So, it may limit what games can be played on the system, but I imagine the 20 games that are included probably work fine with the digital controllers.
However, the analog sticks do make a lot of games easier to play.
You keep talking about choices for games, but have you forgotten that the games on this system are predetermined, and if you want other games, it means hacking the system which means that your complaint is from a stand point of doing something Sony probably won't condone, and something I would just say "deal with it" if you decided to go your own way.
My suggestion to you. Go buy a VItaTV. You'll get a Vita which can play PSP, PS1, and Vita games just fine, and it'll likely come with a DS3 or maybe even a DS4 controller, a memory card. It'll likely be half the price given current prices, and you'll get a lot more functionality out of it.
If you want what you say you want, then go get what has it. It won't look like a PS1, but it'll be much more versitile in the long run.
It's literally meant to be a near-exact replica of the Launch PS1. It's even coming out the same day the PS1 launched.
That's like complaining the NES mini came with the rectangle controls and not the more advanced pads out later.
If they want a near launch PS1 then don't include a game (or games) that utilize a controller that wasn't out at launch. It literally makes zero sense and this is a 100% legitimate complaint yet a lot of people on here aren't understanding this argument for whatever reason.
Also, NES and SNES only had ONE main controller (minus the Dogbone NES but that didn't add any buttons), that comparison doesn't work for this. Why would anyone complain about using the main controller? Dual Analog and DualShock improved and replaced the outdated D-Pad controller, there's no need to use it ever again since both the models listed have D-Pads anyway.
@rainslacker, "since there's no control stick it limits what games can be on this system" only meant what game Sony would include on the system. Nowhere do I say that meant for future purposes as in adding games or what not. It was purely saying that the games list would be limited down to non-control stick games (even though there's already a racing game on it as we know)
I won’t be touching Ridge Racer regardless as the series is crap.
I’m more concerned about Gran Turismo/Gran Turismo 2 for the lack of Dualshock.
@Marvel I completely forgot about those, that would be bad. Same with Rayman 2, one of the best platformers ever made. GTA I and II (along with London) would be harder without sticks as well.
This is why I am complaining. It rules out such great titles for no reason.
Go look up how many games actually require the analog stick. You'll find that it is less than 1% of all games released on the system. I did some research, and I think it came up to maybe 3-4 games that people could name....Ape Escape being the most common, likely because it was the first game to require it, and included a DS controller in some of the SKU's.
Anyhow, it doesn't severely limit the games that can be used on the system as you suggest, just makes it so a few games that did release can't be used on it.
Its not to say that some of the games coming don't play better with the DS, but it's nitpicky and exaggeration to suggest how limiting it is for Sony to not include the DS controller. In any case, the system will likely be hacked, and you'll probably end up being able to connect a DS3/4 to it through one of those hacks. For people actually buying it to play as an actual console, they'll be waiting for that anyhow.
If it's important to you now though, go buy a PSTV. It'll serve your purposes just fine, you'll get a better controller with a DS3/4, and it'll be 1000X more versatile as it will have a huge catalog of games available, and play three different generations of software.
"The DualShock complaint is a legitimate one though."
how so? did any of those games require the dualshock controller back then? I don't know what the extra functionality of a current dualshock controller would do to add to any of the games from that gen if they're not patched to accommodate for that.
Some gamers can never be satisfied. Ppl want this thing to have the same features as a PS4 Pro LOL
I heard it won't cook you breakfast in the morning, and never calls you again too.
to access your PS1 classics that you already bought back on the ps3 and cant use anymore cause ps4 doesnt support it. to play more games than just the 20 included?
Chris_GTR1 - NOPE, 20 is what you get - your other purchases don't apply. They were brought under different circumstances and different guidelines. Does it hurt? No.
It's a bargain and a nice piece of kit to own.
@xX-oldboy-Xx.
You'd think that they would come out with the definitive PS1 experience including an online store for you to buy more PS1 classics. Maybe even include a online multiplayer mode similar to what the PS4 already does where it works like couch coop. Instead we get some half assed throw away console with 20 games. We're better off just rebuying an actual PS1 and getting the games on eBay. Probably would be cheaper than 100$ anyways.
Online play for 25 year old games that never had online play? Sure that would be a good feature. Fundamentally impossible, but a good feature.
Not really fundamentally impossible. Several emulators today allow people to play any game that had local multiplayer across the internet with ease. Dolphin is notable for this. The PS classic is nothing more than an "official" Sony emulator inside a fancy chassis. They could've done it if they wanted to.
Besides that I think most were referring to the ability to download more titles to the system over time, something that was critiqued about the Nintendo minis as well, so people clearly did either want or expect it.
The PS4 has a online couch coop mode that was added about 2 years ago. Forgot the name of it but it basically turns local coop games into online coop. I don't see why they didn't add it to this.
Sure, but throwing in a network adapter, and supporting servers to play those games with others on a system which ultimately probably won't be used for very long after the initial novelty wears off seems rather silly to me.
If you actually had plenty of PS1 games purchased on PSN, why then would you buy this device? Just go play it on your PS3.
Lol what? This is supposed to be a mini console preloaded with some of the best PS1 hits not a relaunch of the PS1
Forbes gtfo alredy!
Where were these articles when we found out the NES and SNES Minis lack the ability to purchase games on VC? If that criticism applies to the PS1 Classic, it should apply universally to any system that lacks the same feature.
To add digital you would have to add networking functionality to it, which would hike the price up.
You have to remember this product isn't actually for the hardcore gamer, it's for the gift giving holiday season.
Its simple and clean and its exactly how it should be so any consumer, whether hardcore gamer, casual gamer to a returning nostalgic fan.
You start adding online functionality it hikes up the price but it also hikes up the complexity.
The average gamer like you and i can understand it easy, but you know there are regular gamers who don't know what digital stores are, what things like Xbox game pass are, some consumers don't realise all of the options that are available.
K.I.S.S my friend, simple features, show big benefits to consumers.
You know we are going to just get a PSone classic next year with analog sticks right?
Also hopefully Sony will get PS1 digital purchases onto PS4 eventually.