Battlefield V Developer Says It's 'a Shame' DICE Didn't Include Women in Battlefield 1

Aleksander Grøndal, executive producer at DICE, has gone on record stating he wishes the team had added female characters to Battlefield 1 instead of waiting until Battlefield V to do so.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

The game is good with or without them man, Sheesh be quiet now.

[HaveSumNuts]

Hi Im a vegan and it makes me mad that I can't select any playable vegan characters. My main character once ate a burger in a cutscene and I had no control. What has this world come too? /S (sarcastic as F hahaha)

[Jinger]

I don't think inclusion of a dietary choice is the same as inclusion of race or gender, but whatevs.

[Nodoze]

Spoons made me fat. We need to ban any and all spoons from appearing in gaming cut scenes or modeled in the game. It all started with Skyrim spoons and it was a trigger for me...

BAN ALL SPOONS!!! Spoons make people fat.
http://i.imgur.com/qtrs6.jp...

[Movefasta1993]

How will you explain to your 5 year old daughter, why there aren't any vegan soldiers in battlefield? That's f'd up bro

[Skull521]

Nice guys, way to double down on your BS. Worked great for the Star Wars franchise. Hope all the extra women you get to buy the game makes up for your no longer existent fanbase.

Gonna take a wild guess and say Aleksander Grøndal will be seeking employment elsewhere in the upcoming weeks.

If not I'm predicting next in line is Battlefield: Berkeley where you get to play as heroic Antifa warriors to shut down conservative speakers.

[PowerOfTheCloud]

Jinger
my mom is a blonde and blue eyed german, my dad is half black - half blackfeet (no joke).
I will be devastated if there won't be a character who represents my heritage. /s

[TekoIie]

@Jinger

Are you trying to devalue his identity? That's what the racists do to the black people and the mysoginists to the women.

You're a horrible human being. /s

[nowitzki2004]

I am sorry for you, and I am not being /s. This is a very serious issue.

[rainslacker]

Jesus Jinger.

Don't be so condescending by dismissing SumNuts concerns. Everybody matters, not just the ones you feel are important.

Really tired of these ignorant people like acting so morally superior trying to bring down those who are so blatantly repressed. We can never be equal if we can't understand each other and you can't preach equality, while willingly segregating our fellow human being.

It'll be alright SumNuts.....some of us still love you. Come on over for dinner. I'll grill up some nice steaks.

[-Foxtrot]

It's not even about being quiet...the guy is literally clueless because Battlefield 1 DID include a woman soldier in the War stories campaign mode. She was inspired by a real life woman called Kara Fatma

http://i.imgur.com/EPcwzlZ....

However they changed her race and who she fought for...basically creating a new character. So the point is they had a chance to go with a real historical figure during that time frame yet ignored it.

Now all of a sudden it's "we're not realistic, we never have been". I mean really?

http://newnormative.com/201...

"She says the original design document said “screw realism, we’re adding female soldiers, because we’re way overdue."

"As Coget describes it, DICE executives called her into a meeting and told her that they were “going for realism after all,” that “Female chars matter,” yet “it’s just not the game we’re making"

Key phrases here...

"realism after all"

"it's just not the game we're making"

What the f*** happened to DICE between then and now? They had their heads screwed on right and wanted to be as realistic as possible but now it's "we never were" and "don't like it don't buy it". No one cares when it makes sense, a Russian female soldier or an everyday woman in a resistance group fighting back enemy forces in their home town (which they are doing for Battlefield V).

[Concertoine]

Also, women soldiers were added as part of the Russian DLC, which had some historical basis.

There's no end to this rabbit hole. Things will never be inclusive enough for somebody.

Bought every Battlefield since Bad Co 1. Not this time.

[Omnisonne]

@Concertoine

Yeah, female snipers with nice looking hoods and garbs. According to the logic of the feminist nuts at dice, the game will be 10/10 if you make a game with exclusively female cast/characters. I wonder why they didn't do that yet.
Maybe deep down they know they're full of shit.

[Rachel_Alucard]

You think BFV is bad with this, try playing CoDWW2 multiplayer. Ridiculous facepaint, black female nazis, whackjob camos, uniforms, etc. Everyone ignored it because CoD is arcadey so its fine. The campaign is a completely different experience, where only men were fighting on the front lines, all wearing the same uniform, and theres even a mission where you play as a female french resistance soldier trying to liberate paris. Everythings exactly where it should be in there and multiplayer is the idgaf mode. That's all I'm getting out of this whole thing. Unless they start putting prosthetic black female nazis in the war stories, its not doing anything wrong. Multiplayer in any game isn't constricted to accuracy or realism unlike the campaign which is trying to tell a story. I mean even in BF1 you had whacky camos on all guns and vehicles nobody complained about until golden ones were added.

[Teflon02]

The games start up screen has a female soldier lol. But Okay, he's going to pretend she's not in the game. Then again, probably didn't play the single player lol

[Atticus_finch]

Is the Fortnite effect running other games.

[Chaosdreams]

""If you take a look at Battlefield historically, it’s been about expressing yourself through gameplay, solving problems the way you want to, and these characters fall perfectly in line with that thinking."

If by expression you mean killing, sure. It's never been about picking or aiming to have a character look a certain way. The inclusion of female characters isn't a problem (to me) - the problem is the era you've decided to take this approach. In a sense you're fighting a war on two fronts.

You've angered the anti SJW crowd (they are generally as angry as the SJW crowd themselves).
You've angered those who view this as a poor portrayal of history.

While this approach will garner some applause from those who see this as a step forward for the sexes, it's given equal amount of people a head scratch. Battlefield used to harp on realism and accuracy and now it's suddenly about inclusion.

What's the message? I actually thought this was some steampunk approach but no - you're claiming this is ww2.

Get your messaging ironed out. Because I'm not buying this nonsense.

[RememberThe357]

They got rid of Permium and that's a big deal. If some dude what's to kick out a dollar for a pink hat, more power to him. To me its much more about the acutal gameplay. How do the guns feel? How smooth is movement? How well do they implement teamwork? How are the map layouts? BF has had real problems with the fundamental gameplay. BF1 was a step back in some ways and a step forward I others, but I haven't yet seen enough of BFV to think it's moving the series forward at all. I'm not writing the game off but I'm just not convinced yet. I'm sure I'll watch some reveiws and decide after it launched.

[TheSaint]

For me, it's all part of it. If I'm roaming around and I see a player in a novelty hat, it's going to break the immersion in a big way.

[Nodoze]

Watch as soon as DICE does bow to inclusion for all. They will be called out in the news/media for portraying LGBTaskdnsadkndn as killers. So damned if you do, damned if you don't. I say don't. Don't BOW to these SJW's. No matter what you do it will NEVER be enough.

[playnice]

I love how COD and BF both keep changing too many things for the worse while trying to gather sales by taking a ride on the popularity of previous entries in the same series... I think it should open their eyes towards trying new IPs altogether instead of disappointing fans with products that are supposed to be sequels yet contradict and tear down so many things established by previous entries.

[Teflon02]

This made absolutely no sense. First off what's steampunk about it? You see a prosthetic arm with a bunch of guns and it's steampunk lol. Stop the nonsense, if you don't want to buy it fine, but don't make up stupid reasons. . If you're incapable of understanding that it's not Giving priviliges to females and that it's a game about the smaller and lesser known things about WW2 then you can put 2 and 2 together. It shouldn't require such a high amount of intelligence to understand that ALL that weird stuff you don't consider WW2 is in the game because they are WW2, just apart of the lesser known things in WW2. The complaints are the exact reason for the game. You people believe they're making up some SJW war crap when you just get the ability to customize your characters with all the things they're intending to show you in the Single player. If you want to be ignorant and not actually try to understand just don't buy and stop complaining, because you all sound like redundant fools who are just running with assumptions, I'd rather the game be filled with people smart enough to get the thing they're doing and not crying about immersion. Must have hated me in BF4, I use to wear the most standout stull with my gun red in the snow lol. Just because I wanted my character to look different then you'd see a Anime character as my emblem. Must have destroyed your immersion if you ever ran into me lmao

[Chaosdreams]

Really? Nothing in my post made sense? Not one part? Nothing? Not even the slightest?

Okay bud. The steampunk aesthetic came from the fact that a prosthetic claw in WW2 where soldiers can customize how they'd like to look (the clothes, not the gun) - tends to push the sense of realism out the window even further. I've heard multiple people initially reference how they thought it was a subtle sign of something else, but yes clearly the game isn't steampunk because if it were we wouldn't be having this discussion.

In regards to your rawr rawr SJW crap, did I say females are an issue? No i didn't.

If your argument is that Battlefield is now taking the most tiny - practically unheard of - aspects in the war and pushing it to the forefront, and that only smart people will accept this, well then, you're not all that smart.

See, playing the intelligence card doesn't usually go over well. Anyone can call someone else stupid.

Stupid.

[Teflon02]

Stupidity at it's finest
"If your argument is that Battlefield is now taking the most tiny - practically unheard of - aspects in the war and pushing it to the forefront, and that only smart people will accept this, well then, you're not all that smart."

They explained that the point of the game was exactly this. If you can't comprehend that you're simply being ignorant or need help. Conversion done. Don't act like an idiot, it's not like they sugar coated anything

[Chaosdreams]

@Teflon02

Lol. Run along now. I suppose this "conversion" is done.

[The_Sage]

LMAO at the stupid. Stupid thing. Kudos. 👍

[Activemessiah]

well, judging by the Battlefield V preorder.. they're not regretting that decision

[elazz]

Battlefield sold like 20m copies. (although quite some at discount it is still a huge amount). I expect BF V to sell around 8-12m depending on how much Dice and EA push this strange approach.

[Shiken]

All this SJW crap is getting on my nerves on both sides of the fence. Fact of the matter is, as you implied, Battlefield fand will play Battlefield V. Even low sales by Battlefield standards will still be great sales overall.

To the gamers, play what you want. This has been blown way out of proportion.

To the devs, what has NOT been blown out of proportion is how you treat your fanbase. Calling them "uneducated" and the like is uncalled for. And fact is, all the SJW tweets do is drag this drama out even further...KNOCK IT OFF!

[rainslacker]

It seems to me, they're trying to appease a segment of the population which isn't going to reciprocate their efforts by actually buying the product they keep harping on needing to represent them.

Many of the people complaining about the lack of inclusion aren't actually interested in these games, and just won't buy them. A war based FPS MP game is primarily a male dominated market.

That is what these devs, pubs, and producers need to remember. It's fine to make a game that falls into one's vision, but you have to remember that you are still making a product that is for a target market. Trying to expand that market isn't going to happen just because you throw some woman or whatever into the game.

Want games to appeal to that market, then make a game that is more broad in it's approach. For the most part, women just aren't looking to play as a WW2 soldier. But you make something like Splatoon, and it has broad appeal, and women will play it. Things like Overwatch appeal to women gamers more, because it's styled in a way that appeals to the average woman's sensibilities. It's just the culture that men and women are raised in that tends to assign an idea about what men and women should like, and over time, that's how people learn what to like for the vast majority of people.

[Teflon02]

rain
what you said is fine and dandy. I actually agree to a sense. But I think the representation of parts of the war that don't get any representation is a issue that they decided they'd do and I'm glad they're doing. Look at the uproar from everyone saying it ruins immersion. So they're implying that the version of WW2 they've had in games is the only way WW2 happened. While dice is speaking with vets etc and including based of talking and researching. The so called fanbase was basically calling the Devs some SJW cult so they called em out on it. They WERE right to because if you were educated on the subject you wouldn't be complaining about all of that. Apart of DICE's job was to get educated on it, they travel, do research etc and some fool behind a computer screen is going to act like they know as some 20 year old who still has mama pay his rent knows more then them. Yet can't even comprehend that the game highlights the lesser known WW2 elements so they include it in the multiplayer out of respect for the aspects and people finally being represented. Anti SJW imo are even worse then SJW as SJW complain but aren't buying the games either way. Anti SJW, complain about SJW getting something altered and say they're not buying because they got it altered, with the excuse of it doesn't matter if I agree with the content or not. It's about artistic integrity, if they remove that then you'll eventually get everything removed etc. Now they're on the same side of the coin and no it's not about how they called them uneducated, they're now using that as a excuse instead. I'm not offended by the statement because I wasn't uneducated, nor acting ignorant. I knew some of this from like 13ish years ago in high school. Some is new to me, me the swords, it was just never a detail I'd have noticed since the war was dominated by guns. But this game enlightened me to the truths as the moment everyone started acting like they knew everything. I did a bit of research and every single thing in that first trailer made sense after research. It's not implying that was all on the front line. They played a role in the war and they just want to show you that in respect to the parts that never got any, they'll be in this one. People should be proud of that, but it's like they always say. People don't like to find out things are different than they believe and don't like change but cry for change.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

You play as Bedouin Woman in Battlefield 1's campaign, which really didn't make sense. The Bedouin are very culturally strict and women fighting is a culture taboo to them. Dice is pushing for diversity and ignoring history. I was told by EA not to buy there game if i find the out of place inclusive of women in their game to be annoying and inappropriate for the setting, so I won't be buying Battlefield V.

[Christopher]

Doesn't make sense, but is based on a real person...

[MWH]

the Troll meter is hitting the roof with this guy.

[JokerBoy422]

Wow... They still haven't learned their lesson...

[Sgt_Slaughter]

If Battlefield V kills the franchise or shelves it for the foreseeable future, the way they went about introducing female characters would just be the tip of the iceberg of problems with this game and they way they've revealed info for months.

[Elda]

Well they are now & I can't wait to play.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

What if they weren't, would you still play? Thought so, they're an unnecessary inclusion. I'll be buying, but I'll be waiting for reviews also.

[Elda]

That's your opinion that females in Battlefield V is a unnecessary inclusion which sounds biased to me.I'm a female gamer so I'm definitely looking forward to playing this,as I am AC:Odyssey that also has a female protagonist & Darksiders 3.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Games were fine before they had to be 'inclusive' for the sake of being 'inclusive'. Also, what about the brutal melee attacks, would that promote violence against women?

These sound like silly things to bring up, I think they are my self. But you know how things can be blown up into something they're not.

Just saying.

[Christopher]

Unnecessary is subjective. Lots of people like playing their gender in all games (some even don't play games where your only choice is a woman because they don't like it), why can't women have the same feeling and be allowed to play it?

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Christopher : let's be realistic, for the .001% of woman that served on the frontlines in WW2 - do they absolutely, positively need to be represented? In a campaign no less, in marketing and in this case with a fully functioning prosthetic arm which serves as no hindrance whatsoever. In fact it looks like she almost benefits having it. Bloody joke.

Choose your gender when you create your character in MP, would that be enough? Surely it would be, but EA have taken another route altogether. And it's rubbish.

[Christopher]

You're arguing need for a game, which is a luxury and not a need in of itself.

I'd say you should be asking do you need for there to not be an option to play as a woman or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing over a luxury?

[KickSpinFilter]

It's not females for the majority of us that's the issue. It's the use he mechanical arms, Mohawks, clothes, cartoon face paint, game looking like Fornite that is the turn off. If a female character(s) will get more women to play FPS... game on. It kills me out there that "men" er "boys" won't play a game like Horizon Zero Dawn because it has a female protagonist.

[sawoosevens]

Sadly, Im guilty of this as well I have no interest playing a game when it is female. horizon zero dawn looks absolutely amazing I just cant relate and I don't have interest so if I feel like that I'm sure females are like that too. I firmly believe they should have option of choosing when it makes sense not for inclusive sake, because the ones whining and complaining are not buying the games they are changing.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

sawoosevens : HZD is a little different, it's not trying to be something it's not. It's a single player, story driven game - and it's amazing. Aloy is a fantastic lead and should be seen as such, you should really give it a try.

[Elda]

It's a game of fiction with fictional characters as most videogames are.I have no problem with the design I just think it's nice adding a female character now in this type of fps & it seems from people disagreeing with me they evidently do which I find in this day in time absurd especially it being just a videogame.Some of these folks need to grow up & get over themselves.

[KickSpinFilter]

@sawoosevens I just find your type bizarre. Does that also extend to Crash Bandakoot and Sonic also?

[sawoosevens]

@kickspinfilter its just how I feel, I jave zero issues with women being in games but I would not choose a woman character to play I do hate the idea being pushed down my throat though, @xx-oldboy-xx I will definitely give it a go one day I'm rarely disappointed by guirrelagames.

[FPS_D3TH]

It really made no difference to me or my wife when we played often. Did they not add women with the Russian dlc?

On second thought didn’t you play a part of the campaign as a women too? Lmao get this man a tall glass of milk and a chair to sit on.

[fluxmulder]

Huh? That bald Russian scout in the Name of the Tsar expansion was a woman.

[Blank]

You actually expect those people to actually play the game?! The shameful part is that he is a part of DICE!

[KickSpinFilter]

That's not the issue with this game. The mechanical arms, Mohawks, clothes, cartoon face paint, game looking like Fornite is what is tuning people off from this game, oh and of course running your mouth off EA. Women are not the issue, but it's an easy scapegoat for ya EA isn't it?

[Gh05t]

Ahhh DICE and EA... Still talking about women and ignoring every other complaint. This is why people don't like you anymore.

They still think lack of pre-sales is because of playable women... So naive, feel free to pull your fingers out of your ears and actually listen to the REST of the community and stop lumping us all together. I guess its easier to accept your own failures when you think you are a martyr though. Rather than understanding you shot yourself in the foot for no reason.

DICE you are no martyr, and will get no sympathy from me.

[Omnisonne]

They're running themselves into the ground at this rate.
You can add politics in you game just fine, let the people make up their own minds and leave it at that. But Dice is really hammering on it, even outside of their games, calling people uneducated, feeling justified in fighting ''for the cause''.. yeah they're going down unless they pop that political bubble of theirs.

I might be an ass for saying this, but Sweden as a whole has become a feminist shithole, and it doesn't surprise me that Dice has gone the same route.

[AnubisG]

What is this morom talking about? There is a whole chapter where you as a woman in the campaign. It is the last chapter in Arabia and my personal favorite chapter as well.

[MrVux000]

If you are so keen to alternate things, then might aswell go full alternate reality...this middle ground nonsense is going nowhere good.

[Hungryalpaca]

What? BF1 has women....are they trying to have the game sell like crap?

[2pacalypsenow]

I don't care if they add women.

I do care when they talk more about women than the actual game.

[staticall]

- My [Catalyst] was asking me today, why there are no playable [Catalyst]s in this game. I didn't know what to answer, so i said «You're right, we gotta fix that, screw everything»

Replace [Catalyst] with anything - cat, mom, soul, self-esteem. Still sounds as dumb as that Alan Kertz response.

P. S.: Didn't they had a playable female character in war missions or something? And what about BF1 DLC with russian woman fighting (one was even featured on the cover)?

[BadElf]

Gamers wanted a WW1 Battlefield game. We got it.(although not great)
Gamers wanted a WW2 Battlefield game. We got a odd product that doesnt feel like a BF game anymore, and all I heard about it was PC, bullsh*t "bandwagon" rhetoric.
I also hate the argument that girl gamers are "upset" about not having any women. If they're into gaming for GAMING, they truly wouldn't care there are no women in a WW2 game. Just like how I, and most of my fellow male gamers, wouldn't get pissed off at a video game for having women. Hell, most of the gamers choosing women avatars are male!

They're lost. But, I am glad we all aren't allowing garabage like this to happen. Things will change for the better.

[EazyC]

That's a good point - who are they even doing this for? Nutjobs on Twitter who almost certainly don't play online videogames? I don't get the point of why they would make it stupidly historically inaccurate. It's like having F-16 planes and M416s in it with neon camo, it's just silly

[BadElf]

Exactly that. I even tell my brother that he often pays too much attention to Twitter/media and the "trends", and remind him that the world/country is not Twitter. Gotta not pay attention to the bullsh*t....because none of that represents all of us in the community. Hell, people thought the Pres. was going to lose, based off of Twitter it seemed.
And it just seems EA as a whole, goes about everything the same way. It's terrible. They're ruining things we loved. Fug em.

[rainslacker]

I know a lot of women that play games, and I've found that most of them seem to be fine playing as male characters. I used to play a lot of fighting games, and when we had parties or get togethers or whatever, the women usually choose a male character.

Most of the guys I know actually pick female characters. I've notice most guys don't mind playing females as well. Weird how most gamers game to play games, and not to try and identify with a character. With SP games, people can identify with a male or female character if they're good characters. Gender I've found has never been a deciding factor on buying or playing a game that I can tell.

[Bladesfist]

"Gender I've found has never been a deciding factor on buying or playing a game that I can tell." Then why does everyone care so much that this game allows you to play as two genders instead of one? Why can't the devs add this without causing a giant argument that apparently is still going. This whole thing seems like a non-issue and I wish we could go back to talking about the actual game.

[rainslacker]

Because most of the contention seems to be that it isn't really authentic like the BF games have traditionally tried to be. There are obvious liberties to history for presentation and story sake, but even in the past, when they did things, they weren't so much outside the realm of reality that they broke the suspension of disbelief. But a female soilder, with a prosthetic arm, face paint, non-standard military garb which doesn't even fit the time period for which the game takes place, and a focus on showing those things instead of the more authentic aesthetic people like about the game has turned people off.

The devs and some SJW are the ones ignoring the many other issues that people have with the games, and trying to make it out that anyone who dislikes what they've done is a misogynist. Its the same thing that caused gamergate to derail, and its a common tactic to detract from the valid criticism that actually exists.

Me personally, I don't even care about the series. I've played some past iterrations and they've been alright, just not my thing. So when I look at this, I can do so while looking at it as an outsider. Then I can use that to see what the problems are people are talking about, and extrapolate examples of why these kinds of things are getting annoying in gaming.

For this game, the annoying parts seem to be that a game of this nature is forgetting what its actual target audience is, and trying to pander to a minority that won't buy the game regardless of what they do. On top of that, they seem to be chasing the crowd that wants more flash instead of substance, and doesn't care as much about the nature of what was a past selling point of the game.

The argument is only still going because the dev won't shut up about it. After the initial reaction pieces, most of the talk I've seen about this game has sprung up because the developer, or someone connected to the project has decided to say something about it. Others have moved on enough to decide they won't buy the game, but when reminded of it with comments like this which only seem to show that the dev really doesn't understand why people are upset, it reignites those feelings in others so they continue to comment on it. As of now, it is what it is. It isn't going to change. The dev should just accept it and move on, and stop trying to blame the consumer for not being into their vision of what they feel is proper for the series. If it flops....which it won't....although it may not do as well as past releases, then they can learn from it and hopefully do better next time. Or they can stick to their guns can continue to flail in the future.

[PeaSFor]

Yeah EA, I'm sure there were tons of Asian Women fighting on the frontlines of WW2 Europe both against and with the Imperial German Army..

[Enyxodin]

Are u fucking kidding me? This inequality for women bullshit! I had an exam today with me and another female student present and the professor treated me unfairly compared to her, even she reacted! Girls have it soo easy in western society while women get stoned to death for cheating in other parts of the world! They are not talking about that! One of many instances and also many other examples but this was my real life scenario for today folks...just wanna mention it

[KickSpinFilter]

Boo Hoo for you.
Unequal pay (sometimes by $1000's) for the same job is a real thing for women, plus many other BS in Western Society against women. I see it all the time with my wife & daughter. As a white guy in America we got everything, don't kid yourself.

[AKS]

"Unequal pay (sometimes by $1000's) for the same job is a real thing for women..." No, it isn't. If you're trying to push the "wage gap" nonsense, that is misleadingly and dishonestly derived from simply comparing the aggregate data of what men earned versus what women earned in a given year with no regard to specific job, hours worked, overtime, experience, ect. Men tend to work in higher paying fields, often riskier occupations, and men also tend to work more overtime hours. Men also work more hours on average. Men also tend to gravitate towards positions in which there is a very high ceiling for earnings. For example, you can sell thousands or even millions of units of a given product. By contrast, a teacher, nurse, or counselor cannot teach or see thousands of people. The ceiling of socially/ caretaking oriented jobs women tend to gravitate towards do not have that high ceiling earning potential. Unsurprising men earned more given these facts. Also, as a white guy in America, you do NOT have everything. Asians in the US earn over $15K more per household than whites per year. You sound quite brainwashed and ignorant of the facts.

[PaleMoonDeath]

Lol, f*ck off. Preo-orders and sales will reflect what we think of this "victim" culture pandering will get you, the GhostBusters treatment, floppy as a wet noodle son.

[KickSpinFilter]

I've had it with both SQW's and the SJWs. Both of ya just shut the F-up! Dang I miss the 90's

[Surt]

Your getting blown to bits dice cause of your SJW pandering. You pandered with that trailer, and you pandered when you got trevor noah out of anyone else. I mean marvel went on the view to pander its garbage "all new, all different" you might as well as done that. Your getting that backlash that you deserve.

[47]

Uhhh someone wanna explain to these morons that there were women in BF1 and no one had an issue with it because they were implemented properly? They weren’t being heralded as some super bad ass fighting force that single handily won the war. Good lord Iv never been more happy to see a game and a company utterly fail as much as BFV and EA. Really hope this leads to serious ramifications for DICE and EA.

[JimBeans]

If they had made a modern or future game, nobody would have cared about the women. But they chose WW2, and they chose to do it inaccurately. Now they can reap the consequences of their poor choices.

[theshredded]

Ekh they should've called this BF 0 or some sh*t and make it in an alternate setting instead so people wouldn't complain. I'm glad the game has an open beta.

[AKS]

It could have been a Bad Company game if they wanted to do something like this. But the main numbered series has always had a much more grounded, serious tone.

[AK91]

It's shame should be why on earth the game still has microtransactions (oh sorry I meant "air lifts") despite the devs saying it wouldn't, not to mention the forced BR mode being made by a completely separate dev.

[KillZallthebeast]

I don't get why so many devs want to cater to sjw's who historically end up not even buying games. (Looking at you ME:A)

[Gwiz]

Look in this hand I have this (MT's and BS subscriptions) but let's forget about that and show you my other hand
filled with the things people really talk about.While Activision is pretty silent on these matters they on the other hand are cutting content even more so lol.

There's no point in arguing about this people let things take it's natural course.(Believe me that latter would trigger the righteous ones lol)

[EazyC]

Are they going to continue digging this hole deeper for themselves? It's sad because I just think to myself how amazing Bad Company 2 was, and they were the ones who made it.... Look at the state of them now.

[MONOLITHICIDE]

Just remember the plan of division is not working. This was done and promoted on purpose. To spread division. We all know its shit. Dont buy. Im not feeding Soros or any other Payseur, rothschild, vatican my emotions.

[BuildTheWall]

There wouldn't have really been women playable characters or at least the U.S. military at the time of WW1 due to military regulations so having female playable characters in the U.S. military unless the role was being a nurse.

[rainslacker]

Women had a huge role to play in WW2. Just not on the front lines outside a infinitesimal percentage compared to the number of men. I mean, millions of men died on the front lines, and many more millions fought. The number of women who fought was in the low thousands, and typically just special squads, or those who performed less direct types of combat.

There is nothing wrong with saying that there were women who fought, but at the same time, it would be exceedingly rare to see any kind of female soldier on the front lines where most of BF games take place.

Instead of trying to make a game to represent women and make the female player feel good about their gender, actually represent the subject material properly, and maybe highlight the real role that women played to help the war effort. Most of us learned it in junior high history class, but to all these SJW types who feel they need to be represented, they don't even recognize that the role these women played led to woman's suffrage, and was a point in history where women's rights was catapulted into the limelight and real change happened because these women did their part, and then fought for their rights, not for representation in meaningless trivial media outlets....which still misrepresented them for years after. But over time, said media started showing them more realistically, at least until the day where advertisers realize that women control most of the spending in a household, and things shifted to emasculating males more than equal treatment of the sexes.

[BuildTheWall]

I said that the U.S. Military did NOT send women to combat / fight during WW2.

[BuildTheWall]

I said that the U.S. Military would NOT allow women combat roles at the time of WW1 due to U.S Military regulations , the closest that women in the U.S. Military would come to combat was being a nurse & regulations at the time required that they remain on ship.

[rainslacker]

Sorry if it sounded like I was attacking your comment, that wasn't the case. I wasn't saying that you said anything you didn't. I was just adding to what you said, and using it as a platform to jump off onto how people focus on the wrong things. In this case, instead of talking about the positive roles that women put forward during the war, some people want them to be represented in ways that aren't accurate for no reason, which detracts from everything that came from what happened during that time.

[BuildTheWall]

As I mention a while ago the only way women would have been in combat during WW1 is if they were sent to combat by someone other than the U.S. Military since the U.S. military banned women from serving in combat until January 24 2013

[CrimsonWing69]

Geezus, it’s not about the women is it? Like what normal person cares? This backlash i feel is more due to EA spitting in consumers faces.

[AKS]

No, of course it isn't. It's a tactic DICE/ EA is using to demonize their critics. Take a step back and look at other FPSs like Overwatch or Rainbow Six: Siege. Half of the characters are female. Look at a reveal trailer for a new female operator in Siege. The Like/ Dislike ratios tend to be overwhelmingly positive. It's obviously not about sexism because few actually have any problem with female characters. They are trying to demonize critics as these horrible misogynists abusing women to deflect criticism. Character assassination rather than addressing criticism with argumentation.

[Mithan]

They should of have Mickey Mouse and Darth Vader in Battlefield 1 too!!!!!!!!!!

[MatriXcian]

Gamers have no problem with female characters in game. A lot of great games have female characters Bayonetta, Tomb Raider And Horizon just to name a few. The problem lies in shoehorning unrealistic elements that make absolutely zero sense just to push an agenda and please a small minority of vocal SJWs.

[KillBill]

Didn't go to the article... but they had female characters in BF1. There was the campaign in the desert that had said female character.

[rainslacker]

Kind of shows that maybe the developer doesn't actually know the nature of the series if he can't even say what came in prior games.

[Dirtnapstor]

What does the sex of your online character have anything to do with the mechanics of the game?!
“Solving problems the way you want to...”
Sure, there definitely is an element of strategy involved for MP, but that would entirely have to do with the map’s environments and objectives. BF has never been a platformer, puzzler, or dating sim, so “expressing yourself through gameplay” really has only been with the business end of a barrel.
In actuality, the whole sjw inclusion angle will not amount to a hill of beans when it comes to the MP, which is what DICE does best. I really think BFV will be the quality shooter everyone wanted it to be...unfortunately a few key people cannot keep their mouths shut. PR nightmare.
Also, pertaining to the complaints of “historical accuracy”, people need to read up on history in general. Wars have been fought with more than just the stereotyped white male.

[BrettAwesome]

Yeah. But not by a whole lot of women. So gimme a break with your misunderstood "white privilege" crap

[Dirtnapstor]

Misunderstood white privilege crap? What are you talking about?

[BrettAwesome]

"Wars have been fought with more than just the stereotyped white male"
Yes, obviously! It was a world war spamming the globe, everyone fought. But, I hate to break it to you. It was a war run by white men on both sides, except in Asia. But they were still men. The game is ment to depict real events. No place for political horseshit.
Were there women? Yes. Were there many? Yes. But not on the front line. Do you really want to misrepresent an event because of your sophisticated sensibilities?

[BrettAwesome]

American society has become weak. You waste so much time and energy being a bunch of entitled bitches who hide your egos behind political bullshit agendas. Everybody is an attention whore, and use politics as an excuse to get in the spotlight. Pathetic.

[Surt]

America has its issues but its still better than a majority of shit stain countries out there. Example if your country is part of the EU you shouldnt be bragging.

[BrettAwesome]

Yeah, cause fair minimum wages, strong welfare and healthcare for everyone is clearly a bad thing.
Oh, and we're still allowed to have opinions 😂

[Dirtnapstor]

Oh Brett, please stop. You're embarrassing yourself by making these broad, erroneous statements. Guessing you're from abroad and have been living under a rock. Ask Tommy Robinson about opinions and whatnot...or anyone else who opposes political correctness and the sjw agenda.

[BrettAwesome]

Ok. You got Tommy's number?

[UNCHARTED2FANATIC]

It's baffling that a developer at dice doesn't even know THAT THERE ARE women in bf1 added as DLC. EVEN IF YOU START THE GAME YOU SEE A WOMAN ON THE MENU LOL!! THE RUSSIAN FEMALE SNIPER OF WW1

[Dirtnapstor]

Right! The Revolution, there she is! Wouldn’t surprise me if talking heads apart from the game are attempting to intervene.

[Psychonaut85]

All this stuff just feels so disingenuous. All these companies trying to climb their way to the top of the "woke" heap, cue the applause, "oh so brave, so inclusive". Inclusion is fine if it's genuine, but does anyone actually think that this is anything more than the mindless checking of a box on a soulless corporate checklist? It's a calculated ploy for attention and marketing, yet they act like they deserve an award for defending civil rights. Here's a thought. Be the money grubbing business you actually are and target your actual f&$king demographic.

[Maisay]

But it did have woman from the Russian DLC onward. It's even on the main screen of the game.

[T2X]

This is the problem. Trying to please everyone all the time, won't work. People can cry and cry and there's no proof that those who complain the loudest are even going to buy it anyway.

[harbie]

So that the BF5 devs wouldn't feel as bad since BF1 would suck & sell as few copies as BF5 lol

[Dragonscale]

This is what happens when sjw's become game devs lol.

[yeahokwhatever]

Battlefield 1 did add female characters. And its awful. There's nothing fun about hitting a woman in the head with a shovel and watching her scream in agony. It's kinda gross. Hitting dudes in the head with shovels is awesome though.