Aleksander Grøndal, executive producer at DICE, has gone on record stating he wishes the team had added female characters to Battlefield 1 instead of waiting until Battlefield V to do so.
The game is good with or without them man, Sheesh be quiet now.
Hi Im a vegan and it makes me mad that I can't select any playable vegan characters. My main character once ate a burger in a cutscene and I had no control. What has this world come too? /S (sarcastic as F hahaha)
I don't think inclusion of a dietary choice is the same as inclusion of race or gender, but whatevs.
Spoons made me fat. We need to ban any and all spoons from appearing in gaming cut scenes or modeled in the game. It all started with Skyrim spoons and it was a trigger for me... BAN ALL SPOONS!!! Spoons make people fat. http://i.imgur.com/qtrs6.jp...
How will you explain to your 5 year old daughter, why there aren't any vegan soldiers in battlefield? That's f'd up bro
Nice guys, way to double down on your BS. Worked great for the Star Wars franchise. Hope all the extra women you get to buy the game makes up for your no longer existent fanbase. Gonna take a wild guess and say Aleksander Grøndal will be seeking employment elsewhere in the upcoming weeks. If not I'm predicting next in line is Battlefield: Berkeley where you get to play as heroic Antifa warriors to shut down conservative speakers.
Jinger my mom is a blonde and blue eyed german, my dad is half black - half blackfeet (no joke). I will be devastated if there won't be a character who represents my heritage. /s
@Jinger Are you trying to devalue his identity? That's what the racists do to the black people and the mysoginists to the women. You're a horrible human being. /s
I am sorry for you, and I am not being /s. This is a very serious issue.
Jesus Jinger. Don't be so condescending by dismissing SumNuts concerns. Everybody matters, not just the ones you feel are important. Really tired of these ignorant people like acting so morally superior trying to bring down those who are so blatantly repressed. We can never be equal if we can't understand each other and you can't preach equality, while willingly segregating our fellow human being. It'll be alright SumNuts.....some of us still love you. Come on over for dinner. I'll grill up some nice steaks.
It's not even about being quiet...the guy is literally clueless because Battlefield 1 DID include a woman soldier in the War stories campaign mode. She was inspired by a real life woman called Kara Fatma http://i.imgur.com/EPcwzlZ.... However they changed her race and who she fought for...basically creating a new character. So the point is they had a chance to go with a real historical figure during that time frame yet ignored it. Now all of a sudden it's "we're not realistic, we never have been". I mean really? http://newnormative.com/201... "She says the original design document said “screw realism, we’re adding female soldiers, because we’re way overdue." "As Coget describes it, DICE executives called her into a meeting and told her that they were “going for realism after all,” that “Female chars matter,” yet “it’s just not the game we’re making" Key phrases here... "realism after all" "it's just not the game we're making" What the f*** happened to DICE between then and now? They had their heads screwed on right and wanted to be as realistic as possible but now it's "we never were" and "don't like it don't buy it". No one cares when it makes sense, a Russian female soldier or an everyday woman in a resistance group fighting back enemy forces in their home town (which they are doing for Battlefield V).
Also, women soldiers were added as part of the Russian DLC, which had some historical basis. There's no end to this rabbit hole. Things will never be inclusive enough for somebody. Bought every Battlefield since Bad Co 1. Not this time.
@Concertoine Yeah, female snipers with nice looking hoods and garbs. According to the logic of the feminist nuts at dice, the game will be 10/10 if you make a game with exclusively female cast/characters. I wonder why they didn't do that yet. Maybe deep down they know they're full of shit.
You think BFV is bad with this, try playing CoDWW2 multiplayer. Ridiculous facepaint, black female nazis, whackjob camos, uniforms, etc. Everyone ignored it because CoD is arcadey so its fine. The campaign is a completely different experience, where only men were fighting on the front lines, all wearing the same uniform, and theres even a mission where you play as a female french resistance soldier trying to liberate paris. Everythings exactly where it should be in there and multiplayer is the idgaf mode. That's all I'm getting out of this whole thing. Unless they start putting prosthetic black female nazis in the war stories, its not doing anything wrong. Multiplayer in any game isn't constricted to accuracy or realism unlike the campaign which is trying to tell a story. I mean even in BF1 you had whacky camos on all guns and vehicles nobody complained about until golden ones were added.
The games start up screen has a female soldier lol. But Okay, he's going to pretend she's not in the game. Then again, probably didn't play the single player lol
Is the Fortnite effect running other games.
""If you take a look at Battlefield historically, it’s been about expressing yourself through gameplay, solving problems the way you want to, and these characters fall perfectly in line with that thinking." If by expression you mean killing, sure. It's never been about picking or aiming to have a character look a certain way. The inclusion of female characters isn't a problem (to me) - the problem is the era you've decided to take this approach. In a sense you're fighting a war on two fronts. You've angered the anti SJW crowd (they are generally as angry as the SJW crowd themselves). You've angered those who view this as a poor portrayal of history. While this approach will garner some applause from those who see this as a step forward for the sexes, it's given equal amount of people a head scratch. Battlefield used to harp on realism and accuracy and now it's suddenly about inclusion. What's the message? I actually thought this was some steampunk approach but no - you're claiming this is ww2. Get your messaging ironed out. Because I'm not buying this nonsense.
They got rid of Permium and that's a big deal. If some dude what's to kick out a dollar for a pink hat, more power to him. To me its much more about the acutal gameplay. How do the guns feel? How smooth is movement? How well do they implement teamwork? How are the map layouts? BF has had real problems with the fundamental gameplay. BF1 was a step back in some ways and a step forward I others, but I haven't yet seen enough of BFV to think it's moving the series forward at all. I'm not writing the game off but I'm just not convinced yet. I'm sure I'll watch some reveiws and decide after it launched.
For me, it's all part of it. If I'm roaming around and I see a player in a novelty hat, it's going to break the immersion in a big way.
Watch as soon as DICE does bow to inclusion for all. They will be called out in the news/media for portraying LGBTaskdnsadkndn as killers. So damned if you do, damned if you don't. I say don't. Don't BOW to these SJW's. No matter what you do it will NEVER be enough.
I love how COD and BF both keep changing too many things for the worse while trying to gather sales by taking a ride on the popularity of previous entries in the same series... I think it should open their eyes towards trying new IPs altogether instead of disappointing fans with products that are supposed to be sequels yet contradict and tear down so many things established by previous entries.
This made absolutely no sense. First off what's steampunk about it? You see a prosthetic arm with a bunch of guns and it's steampunk lol. Stop the nonsense, if you don't want to buy it fine, but don't make up stupid reasons. . If you're incapable of understanding that it's not Giving priviliges to females and that it's a game about the smaller and lesser known things about WW2 then you can put 2 and 2 together. It shouldn't require such a high amount of intelligence to understand that ALL that weird stuff you don't consider WW2 is in the game because they are WW2, just apart of the lesser known things in WW2. The complaints are the exact reason for the game. You people believe they're making up some SJW war crap when you just get the ability to customize your characters with all the things they're intending to show you in the Single player. If you want to be ignorant and not actually try to understand just don't buy and stop complaining, because you all sound like redundant fools who are just running with assumptions, I'd rather the game be filled with people smart enough to get the thing they're doing and not crying about immersion. Must have hated me in BF4, I use to wear the most standout stull with my gun red in the snow lol. Just because I wanted my character to look different then you'd see a Anime character as my emblem. Must have destroyed your immersion if you ever ran into me lmao
Really? Nothing in my post made sense? Not one part? Nothing? Not even the slightest? Okay bud. The steampunk aesthetic came from the fact that a prosthetic claw in WW2 where soldiers can customize how they'd like to look (the clothes, not the gun) - tends to push the sense of realism out the window even further. I've heard multiple people initially reference how they thought it was a subtle sign of something else, but yes clearly the game isn't steampunk because if it were we wouldn't be having this discussion. In regards to your rawr rawr SJW crap, did I say females are an issue? No i didn't. If your argument is that Battlefield is now taking the most tiny - practically unheard of - aspects in the war and pushing it to the forefront, and that only smart people will accept this, well then, you're not all that smart. See, playing the intelligence card doesn't usually go over well. Anyone can call someone else stupid. Stupid.
Stupidity at it's finest "If your argument is that Battlefield is now taking the most tiny - practically unheard of - aspects in the war and pushing it to the forefront, and that only smart people will accept this, well then, you're not all that smart." They explained that the point of the game was exactly this. If you can't comprehend that you're simply being ignorant or need help. Conversion done. Don't act like an idiot, it's not like they sugar coated anything
@Teflon02 Lol. Run along now. I suppose this "conversion" is done.
LMAO at the stupid. Stupid thing. Kudos. 👍
well, judging by the Battlefield V preorder.. they're not regretting that decision
Battlefield sold like 20m copies. (although quite some at discount it is still a huge amount). I expect BF V to sell around 8-12m depending on how much Dice and EA push this strange approach.
All this SJW crap is getting on my nerves on both sides of the fence. Fact of the matter is, as you implied, Battlefield fand will play Battlefield V. Even low sales by Battlefield standards will still be great sales overall. To the gamers, play what you want. This has been blown way out of proportion. To the devs, what has NOT been blown out of proportion is how you treat your fanbase. Calling them "uneducated" and the like is uncalled for. And fact is, all the SJW tweets do is drag this drama out even further...KNOCK IT OFF!
It seems to me, they're trying to appease a segment of the population which isn't going to reciprocate their efforts by actually buying the product they keep harping on needing to represent them. Many of the people complaining about the lack of inclusion aren't actually interested in these games, and just won't buy them. A war based FPS MP game is primarily a male dominated market. That is what these devs, pubs, and producers need to remember. It's fine to make a game that falls into one's vision, but you have to remember that you are still making a product that is for a target market. Trying to expand that market isn't going to happen just because you throw some woman or whatever into the game. Want games to appeal to that market, then make a game that is more broad in it's approach. For the most part, women just aren't looking to play as a WW2 soldier. But you make something like Splatoon, and it has broad appeal, and women will play it. Things like Overwatch appeal to women gamers more, because it's styled in a way that appeals to the average woman's sensibilities. It's just the culture that men and women are raised in that tends to assign an idea about what men and women should like, and over time, that's how people learn what to like for the vast majority of people.
rain what you said is fine and dandy. I actually agree to a sense. But I think the representation of parts of the war that don't get any representation is a issue that they decided they'd do and I'm glad they're doing. Look at the uproar from everyone saying it ruins immersion. So they're implying that the version of WW2 they've had in games is the only way WW2 happened. While dice is speaking with vets etc and including based of talking and researching. The so called fanbase was basically calling the Devs some SJW cult so they called em out on it. They WERE right to because if you were educated on the subject you wouldn't be complaining about all of that. Apart of DICE's job was to get educated on it, they travel, do research etc and some fool behind a computer screen is going to act like they know as some 20 year old who still has mama pay his rent knows more then them. Yet can't even comprehend that the game highlights the lesser known WW2 elements so they include it in the multiplayer out of respect for the aspects and people finally being represented. Anti SJW imo are even worse then SJW as SJW complain but aren't buying the games either way. Anti SJW, complain about SJW getting something altered and say they're not buying because they got it altered, with the excuse of it doesn't matter if I agree with the content or not. It's about artistic integrity, if they remove that then you'll eventually get everything removed etc. Now they're on the same side of the coin and no it's not about how they called them uneducated, they're now using that as a excuse instead. I'm not offended by the statement because I wasn't uneducated, nor acting ignorant. I knew some of this from like 13ish years ago in high school. Some is new to me, me the swords, it was just never a detail I'd have noticed since the war was dominated by guns. But this game enlightened me to the truths as the moment everyone started acting like they knew everything. I did a bit of research and every single thing in that first trailer made sense after research. It's not implying that was all on the front line. They played a role in the war and they just want to show you that in respect to the parts that never got any, they'll be in this one. People should be proud of that, but it's like they always say. People don't like to find out things are different than they believe and don't like change but cry for change.
You play as Bedouin Woman in Battlefield 1's campaign, which really didn't make sense. The Bedouin are very culturally strict and women fighting is a culture taboo to them. Dice is pushing for diversity and ignoring history. I was told by EA not to buy there game if i find the out of place inclusive of women in their game to be annoying and inappropriate for the setting, so I won't be buying Battlefield V.
Doesn't make sense, but is based on a real person...
the Troll meter is hitting the roof with this guy.
Wow... They still haven't learned their lesson...
If Battlefield V kills the franchise or shelves it for the foreseeable future, the way they went about introducing female characters would just be the tip of the iceberg of problems with this game and they way they've revealed info for months.
Well they are now & I can't wait to play.
What if they weren't, would you still play? Thought so, they're an unnecessary inclusion. I'll be buying, but I'll be waiting for reviews also.
That's your opinion that females in Battlefield V is a unnecessary inclusion which sounds biased to me.I'm a female gamer so I'm definitely looking forward to playing this,as I am AC:Odyssey that also has a female protagonist & Darksiders 3.
Games were fine before they had to be 'inclusive' for the sake of being 'inclusive'. Also, what about the brutal melee attacks, would that promote violence against women? These sound like silly things to bring up, I think they are my self. But you know how things can be blown up into something they're not. Just saying.
Unnecessary is subjective. Lots of people like playing their gender in all games (some even don't play games where your only choice is a woman because they don't like it), why can't women have the same feeling and be allowed to play it?
Christopher : let's be realistic, for the .001% of woman that served on the frontlines in WW2 - do they absolutely, positively need to be represented? In a campaign no less, in marketing and in this case with a fully functioning prosthetic arm which serves as no hindrance whatsoever. In fact it looks like she almost benefits having it. Bloody joke. Choose your gender when you create your character in MP, would that be enough? Surely it would be, but EA have taken another route altogether. And it's rubbish.
You're arguing need for a game, which is a luxury and not a need in of itself. I'd say you should be asking do you need for there to not be an option to play as a woman or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing over a luxury?
They should make a Spider-Woman, then.
That would be fabulous knowing Marvel did make a comic titled Spider woman.
Considering that there are like 3 different female spider-themed characters, including one named SPIDER-WOMAN, that would be awesome.
That exists like woman in WW2 great idea
It's not females for the majority of us that's the issue. It's the use he mechanical arms, Mohawks, clothes, cartoon face paint, game looking like Fornite that is the turn off. If a female character(s) will get more women to play FPS... game on. It kills me out there that "men" er "boys" won't play a game like Horizon Zero Dawn because it has a female protagonist.
Sadly, Im guilty of this as well I have no interest playing a game when it is female. horizon zero dawn looks absolutely amazing I just cant relate and I don't have interest so if I feel like that I'm sure females are like that too. I firmly believe they should have option of choosing when it makes sense not for inclusive sake, because the ones whining and complaining are not buying the games they are changing.
sawoosevens : HZD is a little different, it's not trying to be something it's not. It's a single player, story driven game - and it's amazing. Aloy is a fantastic lead and should be seen as such, you should really give it a try.
It's a game of fiction with fictional characters as most videogames are.I have no problem with the design I just think it's nice adding a female character now in this type of fps & it seems from people disagreeing with me they evidently do which I find in this day in time absurd especially it being just a videogame.Some of these folks need to grow up & get over themselves.
@sawoosevens I just find your type bizarre. Does that also extend to Crash Bandakoot and Sonic also?
@kickspinfilter its just how I feel, I jave zero issues with women being in games but I would not choose a woman character to play I do hate the idea being pushed down my throat though, @xx-oldboy-xx I will definitely give it a go one day I'm rarely disappointed by guirrelagames.
It really made no difference to me or my wife when we played often. Did they not add women with the Russian dlc? On second thought didn’t you play a part of the campaign as a women too? Lmao get this man a tall glass of milk and a chair to sit on.
Huh? That bald Russian scout in the Name of the Tsar expansion was a woman.
You actually expect those people to actually play the game?! The shameful part is that he is a part of DICE!
That's not the issue with this game. The mechanical arms, Mohawks, clothes, cartoon face paint, game looking like Fornite is what is tuning people off from this game, oh and of course running your mouth off EA. Women are not the issue, but it's an easy scapegoat for ya EA isn't it?
Ahhh DICE and EA... Still talking about women and ignoring every other complaint. This is why people don't like you anymore. They still think lack of pre-sales is because of playable women... So naive, feel free to pull your fingers out of your ears and actually listen to the REST of the community and stop lumping us all together. I guess its easier to accept your own failures when you think you are a martyr though. Rather than understanding you shot yourself in the foot for no reason. DICE you are no martyr, and will get no sympathy from me.
They're running themselves into the ground at this rate. You can add politics in you game just fine, let the people make up their own minds and leave it at that. But Dice is really hammering on it, even outside of their games, calling people uneducated, feeling justified in fighting ''for the cause''.. yeah they're going down unless they pop that political bubble of theirs. I might be an ass for saying this, but Sweden as a whole has become a feminist shithole, and it doesn't surprise me that Dice has gone the same route.
What is this morom talking about? There is a whole chapter where you as a woman in the campaign. It is the last chapter in Arabia and my personal favorite chapter as well.
If you are so keen to alternate things, then might aswell go full alternate reality...this middle ground nonsense is going nowhere good.
What? BF1 has women....are they trying to have the game sell like crap?
I don't care if they add women. I do care when they talk more about women than the actual game.
- My [Catalyst] was asking me today, why there are no playable [Catalyst]s in this game. I didn't know what to answer, so i said «You're right, we gotta fix that, screw everything» Replace [Catalyst] with anything - cat, mom, soul, self-esteem. Still sounds as dumb as that Alan Kertz response. P. S.: Didn't they had a playable female character in war missions or something? And what about BF1 DLC with russian woman fighting (one was even featured on the cover)?
Gamers wanted a WW1 Battlefield game. We got it.(although not great) Gamers wanted a WW2 Battlefield game. We got a odd product that doesnt feel like a BF game anymore, and all I heard about it was PC, bullsh*t "bandwagon" rhetoric. I also hate the argument that girl gamers are "upset" about not having any women. If they're into gaming for GAMING, they truly wouldn't care there are no women in a WW2 game. Just like how I, and most of my fellow male gamers, wouldn't get pissed off at a video game for having women. Hell, most of the gamers choosing women avatars are male! They're lost. But, I am glad we all aren't allowing garabage like this to happen. Things will change for the better.
That's a good point - who are they even doing this for? Nutjobs on Twitter who almost certainly don't play online videogames? I don't get the point of why they would make it stupidly historically inaccurate. It's like having F-16 planes and M416s in it with neon camo, it's just silly
Exactly that. I even tell my brother that he often pays too much attention to Twitter/media and the "trends", and remind him that the world/country is not Twitter. Gotta not pay attention to the bullsh*t....because none of that represents all of us in the community. Hell, people thought the Pres. was going to lose, based off of Twitter it seemed. And it just seems EA as a whole, goes about everything the same way. It's terrible. They're ruining things we loved. Fug em.
I know a lot of women that play games, and I've found that most of them seem to be fine playing as male characters. I used to play a lot of fighting games, and when we had parties or get togethers or whatever, the women usually choose a male character. Most of the guys I know actually pick female characters. I've notice most guys don't mind playing females as well. Weird how most gamers game to play games, and not to try and identify with a character. With SP games, people can identify with a male or female character if they're good characters. Gender I've found has never been a deciding factor on buying or playing a game that I can tell.
"Gender I've found has never been a deciding factor on buying or playing a game that I can tell." Then why does everyone care so much that this game allows you to play as two genders instead of one? Why can't the devs add this without causing a giant argument that apparently is still going. This whole thing seems like a non-issue and I wish we could go back to talking about the actual game.