Xbox One X Better Than Most Gaming PCs, x86 Architecture Increases Efficiency for Devs – Gaijin CEO

War Thunder developer talks about the benefits of the Xbox One X and x86 consoles in general.

[Cyborgg]

Maybe for now but by next year all the new upcoming game Gpus and mid range pcs will run in native 4K 60fps 120fps with ease. One X and Pro is already outdated tbh. Especially the cpu

[Gazondaily]

By next year will most PC gamers run rigs that run native 4k 60fps and 120fps?

[WilliamSheridan]

Consoles always will be behind the big expensive PCs, but they are a different market and people really should stop comparing them. It's like comparing Netflix to going to the movies.

[Eonjay]

I believe Septic has a partial point. I mean there is no way everyone is gonna upgrade. The fact is that even now you can build a more powerful PC. The idea of the Xbox being 'better' than most PCs is a subjective and completely arbitrary measure. I mean, even my PC has a better CPU than the Pro and you wont find a modern gaming PC with one that isn't better than both consoles easily... in sleep mode lol. But I don't think that means my PC is better for gaming. There is a reason PCs cost more you know. Several reasons really.

[mikeslemonade]

Most "gaming" pcs are weak. Mostly people have like a GTX 970 or 1060 or lower. That's weaker than than the Xbox X. Cal those people out who have weak hardware like that.

[freshslicepizza]

"mid range pcs will run in native 4K 60fps 120fps with ease."

Lol, no. Even the GTX 1080ti has issues doing some games now at 60fps and 4k and that card is not mid range. Technology moves fast but not that fast, next year cards will still struggle on some games, especially mid range.

[ULTp0ltergeist]

Majority PC gamers are laptop gamers.

[frostypants]

Yeah, there is a lot of room between the One X and "4k 120fps". He skipped a lot of steps.

[CoryHG]

I'm just smelling fanboy all over this. Last I checked, PUBG is 30 FPS on Xbone. That kills this argument immediately.

[agent4532]

Most likely yes

[maybelovehate]

Lol, no.

[Computersaysno]

"Better Than Most Gaming PCs." True statement, but also worthless.

There are hundreds of millions of gaming computers. Only a small percentage are equal to or better than Xbox One X. So yes, it's obvious that it is better than 'most.'

It's should also be obvious however that the actual NUMBER of Xbox One X consoles is massively outstripped by that number of gaming computers better or equal.

A small percentage of hundreds of millions of gaming PCs is a lot more than 500k or whatever Xbox One X actually manages to sell this holiday season, most optimistic figures were still only 900k.....there are millions and millions of gaming computers with a GTX1060 or better in them right now.

By the time Xbox One X is a year old mid range PC graphics cards that are even faster will be around. Selling like hot cakes. It'll never catch up to the numbers of gaming PCs that are equal or better.

[cyclindk]

And thaaat's marketing for ya :)

So true, yet, so irrelevant.

[DiRtY]

I agree for the most part, yet you make it sound like PC gaming os bigger than anything else.

Steam had 66 Million active users per month, XBox Live had 57 million active users per month. So yeah, PC gaming is big, but "hundreds of millions" is exaggerated.

According to steam survey, ~15% of these active users have a 1060 or better and 0.42% use 4k as a primary display resolution.

[PrinterMan]

Also, on the PC side to match the XONE there is no need for 60fps to enter into the equation as most XONE games are stuck at 30fps.

[Computersaysno]

PC gaming is much bigger than anything else. It's revenues are higher than console combined. Steam figures ignore massive other platforms, like Tencent.

What's more the the Xbox Live activity figure is counted as PC, 360, Xbox One and mobile logins. That's a whole bunch of totally different platforms and it still doesn't match the steam figure. There is only 30 million Xbox One machines sold after all.

Steam has over 150 million active accounts, logged in over a period of a couple months. Assuming we just take the lower 1 month figure for argument's sake. 67 million. Then 15 percent of that figure is still 10 million.

10 MILLION MACHINES as a minimum as good or better than Xbox One X with less than a million sales. So at least 10 times the amount!

Thing is, that figure is only people that log in and used steam that month. Not everybody logs in every month. Some months are much higher than others. Also not everybody uses Steam for that matter. It's very popular in the West but not so much in Asia like China, with vast numbers of users on competitors like Tencent.

So many many people don't use it who have good gaming machines. We can safely assume the figure is much higher. All we can say is minimums here based solely on Steam.

Finally we can estimate that PS4 Pro's sales after a year on sale is less than 4 million. Even if Xbox One X sells twice as well (it won't, hasn't been and isn't) then it still won't match the lowest estimated figures of equal and more powerful gaming computers in 12 months time.

Another 12 months where everybody on PC has been snapping up new hardware anyway....

[Black0ut]

Next year mid range pcs will run at 4k 60fps with ease? What alternate universe are you living in?

Hard facts tell us "most" pcs are not these super powerful setups that people on here like to lie about. Steam hardware reports have proved this time and time again. Most rigs are running at or below 1080p.

But yeh...Everyone on n4g has a 4k $1500 rig right?

[balance2theforce]

So much truth in that statement man. I swear to God, I get so sick and tired of these phony ass people hear that lie just because the Xbox One X Out does their damn master's machine.. It's funny as when even the vanilla ps4 came out and it was already outdated, the same phonies and liiars acted like they never saw such technology before in their f***ing life. And couldn't build a machine that "barely"matches it for under 6-7 hundred bucks.

All you have to do is dig up old articles and some of their post histories and you can see that there wasn't even a fraction of the downplay or people that could match a souped up ps3 let alone an Xbox or PS4. Now we're suppised to believe that all these cheap, broke ass liars who were waiting for price drops on all their games and wanted a Wii U to be like 50 bucks before they copped one are buyinf $300 dollar cards and have $1500 rigs. Gtfoh folks.

[LP-Eleven]

@WeebLord: Neither is the X1X. So back to my point, what's the point in mentioning that? They say that this thing is better than the majority of Gaming PCs out there. Until someone actually knows that the majority of PC gamers are running, I'll peg this under the other hyperbolic statements associated with this console.

[ScreamingMeat]

$4,000 actually. No joke.

[agent4532]

Most PC gamers can run their games at 1440p 60-90 frames per second. 1080p 60 frames per second on PC has been the standard since 2005. Native 4K 60 frames per second will take off on PC starting 2018

[Kaiou]

4K 120FPS ???? A GTX 1080ti can't even hit stable 4K 60 without turning stuff down. This week Nvidia released the first graphics card from their next generation architecture the Titan V for $3000 and even THAT is no where close to 4K 100+ on modern games . I totally agree about the CPU though.

[LP-Eleven]

Um, they haven't released any gaming benchmarks for the Titan V. So you don't know what it can do yet.

[Weeblordbad]

Lp-Eleven it will not be doing 4k 120 fps maxed out on every game I can guarantee that.

[Professor_K]

Games like fallout and PUBG AND fallout at 60ffps 4k?

[babadivad]

Next year ain't THIS year.

[LandoCalrissiano]

For 500 or less though? Doubt it.

[Zeref]

Highend pcs have always been a niche. They call PCs "the master race" but in reality most PCs out there barely beat base Xbox one or PS4.

[agent4532]

The base xbox one and ps4 were as good as my 2011 gaming PC:

AMD Phenom 2 quad core processor
NVIDIA GTX 480
4gb DDR2 ram
500gb Western Hard Drive

Which was capable of running games like tomb raider remake at native 1080p 60 frames per second.

Both NVIDIA GTX 1060 and AMD 480x are capable of running games at native 1440p 60 frames per second.

Just stop and admit that console hardware is outdated weak and pathetic. Is possible to play PC games via a HDTV set with a gamepad. That is how I got my setup.

[Xx_Pistol_xX]

GPU manufactures have been dangling the 4K carrot in PC guys faces for a long time. It could have been done already but their stracthing it to make money.

[Professor_K]

By mext year the x will be 50$ off...

[Gunstar75]

That comment didn't go well for you lol

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Yeah no because PC is a always evolving platform with new tech replacing old within a year.

[OMGitzThatGuy]

Except the majority dont upgrade within a year.

[Razzer]

And the majority of console owners are buying One X?

[iloveallgames]

The stats seem to indicate that an awful lot of people are upgrading.

The 10 series nVidia cards have only been on the market for one and a half years and the steam survey says that about 30% of steam users have a 10 series card. Steam spy shows that there are now 280 million users on steam so that means that about 85 million pc gamers bought a 10 series card in the last year and a half.

And now the Titan V has just launched which is the first of the wave of the 20 series cards (Volta) that are coming in the first quarter...

[zb1ftw777]

By your own logic, every single PC is outdated except for the most powerful PC in the whole world.

Suffice to say, i think your logic is retarded.

[Razzer]

Then One X was "outdated" before it was ever even released since better tech already existed.

[Black0ut]

What you're not mentioning is most people don't upgrade to new tech every year. Just because its updated and released doesn't mean everyone can afford it. Its a very small percentage of enthusiasts that do.

[agent4532]

True, but there is a huge portion of pc gamers like myself that are upgrading their pcs after 5-6 years from not upgrading their 2009-2011 gaming PCs 😀.

[UKRsoldja]

"Yeah no because PC is a always evolving platform with new tech replacing old within a year."

God, I hope soon enough I won't see your nonsense posts on here. What does the ever-evolving pc tech have to do with the fact that CURRENTLY the xbox one x is better than MOST pc's?? This article isn't about next month or next year. It's about TODAY.

[Razzer]

TODAY most of those same PCs could upgrade and be more powerful than a One X for less than the cost of the One X.

[agent4532]

Ha ha ha ha well for one xbox one x games run at 30 frames per second and another the PCs of today with NVIDIA GTX 1070, 1080, Titan X are capable of Native 4K 60 or 30 frames per second. The PC gamers that bought the $200.00 AMD 480x are running their games at.native 1440p or 2K 60 frames per second. End of discussion.

[Shineon]

Xbox one x and Ps4 pro were old tech when they were being built but that dosent matter a whole lot because they are optimized consoles Im playing Horizon Zero Dawn and having a blast on a measily jag cpu

[Cartman55125]

I bought the One X, and the first time I really noticed the increased power of these new consoles was when I loaded up Skyrim. The game takes no more than 3 seconds to load when I fast travel. Used to take my regular Xbox One about 20-30 seconds.

[Gunstar75]

It's harder to spot the difference with newer titles but ....wow..... it really polished up some older classics.

Like buying DVD digital remastered movies in the 90's 😀

[AspiringProGenji]

In your dreams Gamingbolt

[UKRsoldja]

And in reality, too, according to the steam survey.

[Cobra951]

What does a Steam survey have to do with objective reality?

[kevnb]

It is, but it can’t compete with the game library, flexibility and unique experiences pc gaming brings. For most pc gamers it’s about the games and the options for playing them the way they want, not 4K graphics and raw power. You can simply look at steam survey data, most gamers have something close to a 1050 which is decent for 1080p gaming and the most of the really popular pc games (league of legends, Dota 2, cs go, world of Warcraft) don’t really need anything more that that for 60 FPS.

[zb1ftw777]

I hope that's a joke.

Steam is mostly garbage compared to the library the Xbox brand has.

[Razzer]

lol....bullshit

[Omnislashver36]

How could you say that when most of Xbox's library is on PC?

[TheColbertinator]

Stop smoking. Thanks.

[Psychotica]

You’re joking right? lol

[LP-Eleven]

Uh, no.

[Weeblordbad]

It's an open platform for self publishing more or less of course steam has lots of garbage. It also has hundreds if not thousands of good games, a claim neither the PS4 or Xbox can make.

[zb1ftw777]

The most popular PC games don't even use the power of a 360.

That's the ironic thing

[zb1ftw777]

As of now it's better than 99% of gaming PC's since less than 1% own a rig with a 1080 Nvidia.

[Razzer]

One X is about the same as a 1060 or RX 580. One X is still better than most PCs, but it doesn’t require the best PC to outmatch One X.

[bolimekurac]

but no one in their right mind compares the 2 except salty people, one is a closed 500 dollar box that is outputting graphics that are comparable to a high end pc, the other is a high end pc that will always be more expensive and will produce better results. what everyone should be comparing the x1x too is the other console in its class which is the ps4pro but i dont see many people comparing those 2 consoles because if they did they would get more salty since the x1x kills the ps4 pro in every way..

[Razzer]

"no one in their right mind compares the 2 except salty people, one is a closed 500 dollar box that is outputting graphics that are comparable to a high end pc"

You just said no one in their right mind compares them and then called them "comparable". lol. And no, they are not comparable. High end PC is going to deliver better graphics and better frame rates.

Of course, One X is better than Pro as far as power. But Pro still has better looking games thanks to Sony's first party devs. If MS did their job and created first party games that max out their own hardware then this would be a different conversation.

[UKRsoldja]

Due to low-level optimization, the x1x is closer to 1070 performance than 1060.

[Razzer]

RX 580 is the best comparison to One X. Both AMD and 580 has 8GB RAM.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Cobra951]

Closer to a 1070, but the headline is wrong nevertheless. CPU bottlenecking will choke the life out of it. It's like taking a Viper engine and feeding air to it through a 4-cylinder intake.

[bluefox755]

Lol, you're kidding right? X is not even close to a 1080, lmao.

[zb1ftw777]

The on screen results say different.

[Razzer]

No.....they don't. It isn't even close. X1X is a RX 580 at best. Xbox fans like you are just getting ridiculous with your delusions.

[AKS]

I have a GTX 1080, and an X1X isn't even remotely close. Consistently higher settings with double the frame rate.

This is the GTX 1080 I bought:
https://www.newegg.com/Prod...

It's the same price as a X1X but with a game thrown in, which runs at higher settings and double the frame rate with a 1080.

[bluefox755]

Yes, PS4 Pro also "looks better than most gaming PCs". It comes down to how you define "gaming PC". The difference is, gaming PCs actually have games.

[TheColbertinator]

Another victory for the Beast

[bolimekurac]

the only thing outdated around here is the ps4pro, if you want to talk about outdated then the pro is it. i love how all these suppose gamers keep coming into xbox one x threads to talk crap about it yet they dont say a word about the crappy ps4pro and how bad of a upgrade it is compared to the x1x

you know what i mean, like the 8 gigs vs 12, 4k assets vs no 4k assets on pro and on and on , yet some people have the nerve to talk bad about the x1x

[Elda]

Most PS4 first party exclusives look amazing playing on the Pro displayed on a 4k hdr tv,they look better than most games on PC let alone XBO & the X.

[cd1]

You cant say XB1X isn't outdated but PS4 pro is - they are both powered by very similar AMD tech. I understand the XB1X has a more capable GPU and more RAM but that goes without saying, it came out a year later at £100 more.

I think many of the PC gamers on here give Sony the nod for at least supporting their fans with a decent line-up of 1st party games. Plus i don't think ive seen many (if any) PS4 Pro users on here spew crap about their console being more powerful than gaming PCs, it just seems like the XB fanboys are in full voice right now...maybe because they are still carrying the chip on their shoulder from the OG XB1 shenanigans.

[Vectrexer]

Consoles will never stay up with PCs but the Xbox One X is the definitive console to own right now if you're looking for raw power and something comparable to today's high end PCs.

[Psychotica]

How many of those pcs would be better than the xbox one x by simply upgrading a video card or cpu?

[DarkZane]

I can tell you I replaced my GTX 770 2GB for a GTX 1080 Ti a few months ago and that was enough of an upgrade to make it a lot more powerful than the Xbox One X. My CPU is a i5 4670k and I got 16GB or ram. Both of those are fine for 4K/60fps maxed.

120fps or more would be impossible with that CPU, but that CPU is good enough for 4K/60fps. A 120hz/144hz 4K monitor are still far too expensive for my taste.

[Psychotica]

Same here. I upgraded from a GTX 980 Classified to a 1080Ti and upgraded my i5-2500k to a i7-6700K and I run just about everything maxed out, I don't even have to think about what settings to use. I was undecided about what monitor to buy, I chose the ASUS ROG Ultrawide and I just love it, it's been awesome.

[omedina1509]

Alright and she where the games though. I still rather have a pc and a switch

[ShadowWolf712]

Pffffffft
That's a crock.

[SkippyPaccino]

Gamingbolt back to form... Lol! Does anyone else see gamingbolt doing sexual favors for positive xbox one x news from Indy developers?

[Kiwi66]

Wasn't War Thunder released first on PS4 and no one had issues with them being an Indie dev then but now people have a different attitude towards them because they said something positive about Xbox

[FreddyFazbear]

Gamingbolt has always been positive about xbox since 2013 and always criticizes Playstation. So whats your point?? Its so obvious everytime i see an article about how xbone x is better than ps4, how PS4 is lacking fearure A B C. Its very rare for them to praise playstation. Sorry but all our complaints about Gamingbolt are warranted. Their biased to the core.

[SkippyPaccino]

It has nothing to do with the developers... It's that they're always willing to go the extra mile to get any positive take on Microsoft, when the outcome is shallow and pointless... we've been hearing endlessly about the X for 18 months that it's lost its punch and the fact that they keep trying to use the power argument without really showing anything new isn't convincing someone to keep caring. (or spend 500$)

Whenever they do bring out real xbox exclusives that make the system pop like a horizon did with the Pro, then they can scream from the mountains tops...Till that happens, these ultra positive articles they write every other day is redundant.

[Silly gameAr]

Seems like all of that power doesn't really matter so far.

[NotoriousWhiz]

I knew this was gamingbolt before I even clicked it.

[NXFather]

Yeah for low and some mid end pcs.

[NXFather]

Well all this mumbo jumbo I will challenge all to show me in the next two years what xbox game has better graphics than sony first party ip. Bookmark cuz I will forget.

Edit: I forgot to say I guarantee it aint happening.

[NXFather]

Now go down into a cold oblivion or an eternal fire.

[FreddyFazbear]

How much is gamingbolt being paid by MS?? Most of their articles are always about the positives of MS and negatives of Sony. Its already so obvious. Its very rare for gamingbolt to have a positive sony news. This site is reaching and pathetic.

[RomanPSX]

Good love my x. Kojimas game is making hold to my ps4. If not it would be long gone.

[Tobse]

True, a lot of people still have low to mid range Gaming PCs. Not everyone has the money to buy a 500$ Gpu

[zerocarnage]

Eonnay is rite in what he says. There are gaming pc's and then there the top high end gaming pc's and to run what is out today and the future you need thousands of dollars or pounds. The Xbox onex simply is high end console that many would choose especially those who refuse to spend money on anymore high pc's knowing it's going to cost a fortune when there is a console out there that is running just as good as most pc's and is affordable to them.

Most people on here trying to downplay the X are doing so because they don't want it to succeed, not because it isn't a great entry to the console market because it is a great entry.

The X is the best console hardware out there rite now and a.gone downplaying it is doing so out of hate or just being a plain fanboy.

[KTF26]

gamingbolt
I knew it from the title

[bluebenjamin]

Sony Exclusives are better than whats out on any other system

[nismo370]

Typical gamingbolt article

[Cobra951]

Bull chips. The GPU is better than what's in most gaming PCs. That's it. Everything else, most notably the CPU, is significantly stronger in any PC that has the right to a gaming label.

[Pantz]

I've been saying for a while now that some games are looking better on Xbox One X than they even do on PC. Nice to see some more confirmations of this.

[Tazzy]

Sure if you compare the Xbox One X to old graphics cards in a PC but lets face it alot of PC gamers have powerful rigs they don't care about 4k they play in 8k 12 k etc etc. And War Thunder don't look like a very demanding game the developers of Minion Masters has said the same thing and people are comparing the Xbox One X to a high end PC. When it comes down to it its making the Xbox One X look bad because they even say its true 4k where games on the console wouldn't do checkerboarding. No console compares to a PC the PC world of games blows the console world away its a fact I have Ryse for Xbox One and it looks great but compared to seeing it at my nephews on PC it looked a lot better.

[cd1]

"the PC world of games blows the console world away its a fact"

Actually that's not a fact at all - just opinion.

[Tazzy]

PC blows consoles away if you think otherwise you're seriously insane checkout Battlefield 1 in 8k running over 60fps thats better than any console out. And if you do some research Watch Dogs looked amazing on PC but got toned down because consoles couldn't handle it so its a fact that PC games look better than console games.

Battlefield 1 8k over 60fps on PC https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Watch Dogs toned down graphically then restored to look amazing on PC https://www.extremetech.com...

These are facts that PC games look way better than console games Xbox One X shouldn't compared to a gaming PC it loses every time unless its compared to a 3DFX gaming PC then it wins.

[cd1]

@tazzy

So your interpretation of "the PC world blows away" is entirely based on levels of graphical fidelity? I'm sure many would believe a generic term like blows away would mean best - best is completely subjective so why don't you jump down off that high horse before you hurt yourself.

[Father__Merrin]

Just look at steam HW stats you will find overwhelming majority have modest rigs. We are led to believe by n4g pc fans that building a pc automatically nets you 4k/60 when this isn't the case.

For the money a console is hands down better. If someone doesn't need a pc a console if suffice to play the latest games

[OoglyBoogly]

First of all I want a good definition of what a "gaming" PC is. Because even if we're talking an older system with something like a 2600K or 3770K with some older GTX 780 or GTX 970 or something similar then we're talking a pretty "decent" rig still. Even my buddies AMD 290X still has NO issue with modern games at 1080p at max or near max settings. No problems!

So I think if we're talking "true" gaming PC's with actual hardware meant for gaming then the X1X isn't THAT far off. If we're talking PC's that people just play games on (especially laptops) then I wouldn't consider those "gaming" PC's. If one person only surfs the web on their iPad is it just a normal "iPad" where as the person that plays games on their iPad all of a sudden has a "gaming iPad"?

I think most people forget that the X1X doesn't run all it's games at 4K and 60fps...so to say that it's better than most gaming PC's when a lot of games for it are sub-4K and 30fps does seem a bit disingenuous. Plus, again, not knowing what a true gaming PC is hurts this line of thought. Most people I know these days that are half their worth in PC gaming have at least 1060's/RX480's and up...not many people I know that consider themselves PC gamers have less than that.

Saw someone do some benchmarks with a Ryzen 3 and GTX 1060 6GB PC and it played most X1X games at or near X1X settings no issue. Bar optimizations and the test PC would probably be just as fast (if not faster, especially CPU).

Being the fastest console doesn't really mean that it just blows most gaming PC's out of the water.

[Zabatsu]

If you live in India, perhaps.

[Puertorock77]

Better than most gaming PC is very subjective. Sure you may have XB1X run a game at native 4k 30FPS compared to someone's PC who can't run the same game at 4K 30FPS. But what if that gamer doesn't care to run the game at 4K30 and opts for 1440p 60 for example..PUBG or Assassin's Creed Origins. Is that XB1X still better?

[Razzer]

Most PC gamers that I have talked with would sacrifice resolution for FPS without even thinking about it.

[HeyNowChillax]

A lot of back and forth with a bud of mine on this subject. Keeps telling me that the 60fps doesn't matter much, until he plays a title running at that level then he gets it. Still it's not enough to break the "convenience of the console" vs upgrading the PC and dealing with setup/settings for use in the livingroom. I get it, but these systems X1X and PS4 Pro would really be something if they could achieve 60fps open world. Still puzzled why devs just don't give us the option of 1080p or 1440p 60fps for every game. Surely both consoles could do it at those resolutions.

[rlow1]

Funny how this stuff never dies.

What's the advantage of a console? Level playing field, easy setup, fantastic bang for the buck.
What's the advantage of pc? Upgradability, versatility, and if you put down the money more powerful gaming rigs.

Both have their advantages and dis-advantages. Simple!

[gums007]

All the single overweight "Pc masterrace" neck bearders are getting all worked up right now from this article. I love it!!! :)

[Cursediixxxii]

Now, if it only had a keyboard and mouse.....nope, stick with my PC

[Raiden]

With gaming PC's it comes down to affordability, and most people can afford to shellout the cost, the most i once spent on a gaming pc was £5000, fully kitted out, but that was a long time ago and equipment were cheaper back then, but any pc you buy or gaming laptop will be out dated before it hits the store floors, so continue to make comparisons, if you have my kind of finance then go ahead and upgrade your pc/laptop yearly or every 2yrs, consoles may never fully match a pc, but that's the choice of the gamer.