The Vita is a well-designed system, albeit one that Sony left for dead as soon as it hit its first bump in the road. If it weren't for a couple negative quirks, it might have even been one of the best handhelds ever made. Unfortunately, those quirks have turned into awful problems as of late, and have only served to tarnish the legacy of what has otherwise been an excellent cult system.
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The PlayStation Vita is such an underrated handheld device that it's almost sickening on how it just disappeared in the hands of gamers. And even though the Vita vanished off the face of the earth, this does not mean that a next gen Vita isn't welcomed. If another iteration of the PS Vita does come to be, than this could spell disaster for the Nintendo Switch.
i m calling it now...No Monster Hunter 5 No portable console for me .....if Vita 2 is to be released with games like 'portable"Uncharted&a mp;a mp;q uot; , portable "Horizon", portable Assasin Creed , is Hell NO ...portable consoles need proprietary games (ex Splatoon Monster Hunter, Gravity Rush ..games that can be played portbale) and not degraded versions of home console games (huge mistake from Sony to support Vita with Uncharted and Killzone (two mediocre appeal IPs that could only be enjoyed on pS3 because their graphical superiority) and most importantly Vita died because its main life source MHou series was stolen/went Nintendo exclusive ...
Ignorance at it finest. Vita died because no one bought it and the games. The reason that no one bought it and it was because the pricey Memory Card.
One of the many reasons. My reason was because I just don't game while traveling
I agree the pricey memory cards really diminished the sales of the Vita. I recently read that one of teh reasons Sony stuck with their pricey card rather than standard SD cards had something to do with concerns over piracy of games. One would have thought cheap standard cards would open up software sales on the PS Store. But oddly piracy was some major concern. Regardless, I'd like to see a new handheld from Sony.
But the 3DS floundered at first and had comparable sales, however it's now a success. I think the Vita was less salvageable due to the memory card costs. On top of that, Nintendo moved development to the 3DS, resulting in great 3DS support but poor Wii U support, and Sony moved development away from the Vita, resulting in poor Vita support but great PS4 support. On top of that, Vita was clearly the more powerful device, which is great, but games with a higher visual fidelity take more time and money to develop, making it far easier for Nintendo to turn around and get games out than it would be for Sony.
The big reason I think we won't see another Vita is because Sony would have to split their development teams between PS4 and their handheld, and it would be even more powerful leading to increased dev times and cost. It may be possible to make a handheld that plays the same games as a console (in 720p) if consoles go native 4K next gen, especially if it released a few years after the home console. Other than that I don't see Sony making another handheld that pushes power. (Maybe something different that's affordable, portable, versatile, and doesn't push power though.)
sony is about tradition, they will come out with another handheld. they invest quite a bit into in-house studios and want more than just the ps4 to sell their ip's on.
I don't think Sony wants a new Vita. I think they want to get Playstation Now ready on all mobile devices. Then people can play whatever whenever and Sony doesn't have to worry about the hardware headaches or being first to market or anything like that.
Nintendo had better games on the 3DS , hence why third party sucks. Who wanted the shitty assassin game on vita?
By saying no one bought the vita and it's games, you essentially agreed with everything naruga wrote.
He literally listed the best games on the vita and then explained why no one bought them.
Funny how two people say the same thing, but word them differently and obtain different levels of likes.
I kinda disagree.... They had to release the Vita at the correct price. We've already seen what happens when something is priced to high. Lets say they would have released the PS Vita at $350 with an internal 64GB of storage. People would have lost their minds because its $350. People just arent willing to spend a high dollar amount for a high quality portable device due to cell phones.
the memory prices would have been forgotten and went down if monster hunter and some other games came to it the PSP memory card prices were way worse than the vitas at release. I never understand when people want the newest and greatest up till it comes time to pay. Sometimes new things cost money sucks but it is a fact of life. uncharted wasn't bad and resistance was sick but overall they misfired on this one would of loved one now built with ps4 in mind and a real mobile connection that can be used with your current plan and plan data limits for like a 10 buck a month fee better quality stick and hopefully sd card support but it would still need stuff like monster hunter Patapon LocoRoco wipeout and final fantasy games. unfortunately mobile games ruined handhelds to many ppl are ok with the garbage mobile games anymore and its a tough sale for a handheld and a handheld game now there will always be ppl like me who love portables but now with everyone owning a cell phone and every dev having at least 1 cell phone game of all various quality its hard to sell a buck cell phone game much less a full priced handheld game.
There is no PS Vita 2 lol so good luck with that. PS Vita had way worse games than the WiiU and was a disaster outside of Japan.
Good Luck with the Switch having no 3rd party support from Big Publishers after Skyrim releases. After Zelda hype dies off, no a lot of people going to buy a Switch for a port Mario Kart games and Indie, a sequel that doesn't feel like a sequel *cough* Splatoon 2*cough*. And the puchies game that doesn't seem nothing new and The only good exclusive is coming out in the fall, Mario.
I was just playing Splatoon 2 before on the global test fire and I can confirm now that its fantastic, an iteration sequel like COD but its gunna be worth owning a Switch for the amount of hours you can sink into its sensationaly addictive multiplayer. Mario kart is a perfect game 10/10 the only thing wrong was balloon battle and they've fixed it made it 1080p and portable you can play multiplayer anywhere, fantastic, can't wait.
Mario Odyssey is gunna be epic, so is Xenoblade chronicles 2 and Fire emblem. Fire emblem warriors and Arms will both be great, there's a TON of amazing indie games and other games already announced, god knows what they're going to show us at e3.
Honestly, Switch is turning into my favorite ever console. The portable nature of it is amazing. Im so excited about the future of Switch and I really feel sorry for people who are going to miss out on the games I've listed above. I have an XB1S and will be getting a Scorpio as well, so I won't be missing out on any third party games. But I'll also have the ultimate portable/ hybrid console with Nintendos truly amazing games
"The only good exclusive is coming out in the fall, Mario"
So you think xenoblade 2 is not a good exclusive?
Kaneki-Ken
You seem to forget that Nintendo has many unannounced games that is coming such as Pokemon star, monster hunter, fire emblems...on top of that E3 is coming and who know what Nintendo has up their sleeves.
But yeah...keep putting your fanboy google on and keep on hating Nintendo, while i keep on enjoying their games.
Switch has Dragon Quest XI
The next potential PlayStation handheld will not.
That alone spells which will be more successful
Ps4 also has DQ XI and sony could do a cross-platform thing with a potential psvita2 so...
I don't know how you came to such a strange conclusion.
The likeliness is statistically if Sony does release another PlayStation Portable it's going to be what the PlayStation 4 is in regards to strength or near it.
If Sony couldn't get DQIX for PSP, I doubt they could get DQXI for a future handheld
Not a very high bar, frankly. That being said, I think Sony should stay out of the mobile consoles, I believe it's a declining market.
Maybe you misspoke or you worded things strangely but I don't believe the mobile market is declining just the opposite
I believe the dedicated handheld Market in regards to gaming is declining if that's what you mean.
People are just not purchasing dedicated handhelds for gaming like they were a generation ago and I believe that is because of the rise of cell phones in regards to their complexity they're able to be all-in-one devices and consumers are contempt at having those type of casual quick experiences experiences that they otherwise might have purchased a standalone device to a play.
PS Vita is a nice machine but the lack of bumpers and triggers in my opinion is what killed it. Along with Sony not having handheld friendly IP compared to console IP. I think it would be a mistake for Sony to consider making a new handheld right now.
Memory card is what killed it* If bumper and triggered was the reason then the 3DS would have the biggest issue. I do agree, PlayStation had barely any family/friendly games like the Psp.
I agree memory cards helped as well, but the reason the 3DS wasnt affected by not having bumpers and triggers was because of the handheld friendly IP. Everyone knows Mario, Zelda, and those type of games dont need standard controller. Sony's IP coming from console is a foreign experience playing without them.
I wonder how many of the people who say Vita had no games are the same ones shouting about how Switch has more than just Zelda.
I don't see many people in this thread claiming that the Vita has no games. The more widely shouted claim is that Sony dropped support for the Vita, which is true. They literally did not publish a single game for it in 2016 and not a single physical game in NA in 2015.
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Obviously they'd have to figure out the controls (unless they went the tablet+controller route), but what would be awesome is if Sony came out with a portable PS4 as the next handheld. This obviously assumes mobile tech will continue to get cheaper and more efficient, making this a viable option. But it would be great, as it would have an established library, and people would already own a ton of games.
A portable PS4 isn't likely to happen. By the time it'd be possible the games would be outdated. On top of that it would have to rely solely on the Playstation store because a disk drive would be too massive to fit. meaning people wouldn't be able to play any physical PS4 games they already own.
However, lets say next gen releases in 2020 and actually does native 4K. I can see it being possible in 2022 or 2023 to make a handheld that plays the exact same games in 720p. The biggest issue I can see with that would be storage space, seeing as flash memory and SSDs are expensive and HDDs are too bulky. Who knows what will happen, though.
Yeah I was assuming no physical media, but I feel like the people who would care would mostly be people buying digital anyway. And yeah, the price of flash memory would need to come down enough that they could put 512gb or so in there.
Lol they said PSP will be better than the DS that didn't happen. Next they said the Vita would destroy the 3DS and that didn't happen. I'm not going to hold my breath on Vita 2 coming out. If it does I'm betting the Switch beats it.
PSP was way better than DS, the latter had good games like the layton ones, but PSP had masterpieces like the god of wars or the square enix ones (dissidia, KH BBS, etc.)
PSvita is a better console than the 3DS but sony, after 2 years of support, stops to care because of low sales and thats a shame...
I had both. The PSP was more powerful, but definitely not better. God of war for the PSP was terrible (in my opinion) nowhere close to the console versions. DS and 3DS had way more games (better ones too) than Sony's handhelds.
Why do you think the PSP and Vita had low sales (especially compared to Nintendo's handhelds)?
For handhelds there is no room for two devices. Nintendo has never had any competition ever since the Original Game boy. Game Gear had color but even that flopped. PSP was the most successful Nintendo alternative handheld, but still was no match for DS in sales. The PSVita only sold a sliver of what the PSP did at the same time of their lifecycles. PSP 3 would have far too much to prove for it to have any hope of challenging the Switch. Hardware means nothing if the games can't properly back it up, or in the Vita's case, support from Sony. Now that virtually everyone has a phone it only makes it worse for Sony. The only way for Sony to even have a chance to beat Nintendo is to come out with a handheld a year before Nintendo releases the Switch's successor, and of course do everything right. Instead of just a handheld, a hybrid is the only way that would work now. It just might have to be the PS5 or PS6.
I think the Vita life cycle has come to an end. So these speculations of a new PSP.
Well, in the West its lifecycle has been at its end for a while. In Japan, though, I can see the Switch eating into the Vita's market. However as long as it has a decent install base Japanese devs will still release games for it for a while (hence why the PS3 is still getting games over there, including Persona 5). I think it's just that another Sony handheld is probably the closest thing to a Switch that we could see in the next few years.
It wouldn't be called "Vita 2", because aside of it sounding dumb "Vita" is unfortunately a synonym of the commercial failure.
Switch is amazing, Nintendo are King at handheld gaming they have fought of many before Sony. Game gear, Lynx, PC engine gt, NEO Geo pocket, psp, vita. Now the switch with its hybrid nature is genius dont ever underestimate Nintendo.
People who hate on the vita have never owned one to talk trash about it. ;)
To be honest vita suffered from being treat as weaker console and releasing no sense spin off and expensives memory sticks
I would like to see a new PSP but i doubt that will happen. Compete with Nintendo now would be a suicide. Nintendo has its handheld as the main console, totally focused on it. For Sony it would be more of a peripheral, a secondary device. Hardware power is also not the solution. We are to review that hardware just does not gain market with the launch of Scorpio. Sony can not make the same mistake now.
Lack of AAA support is what killed the Vita. If Vita 2 doesn't have these things, it'll fail as well.
Ps7 will be better than Nintendo Tit Tat Too, because i want some free hits for literally nothing in return. Come on now
An imaginary console is better than a real one? That is just bullsh*t. Sony havent even announced psvita 2 yet and i doubt they will as their last portable console was a failure sale wise.
Also, Sony doesnt have many good portable games to compete with Nintendo anyway. I want Sony to concentrate on home console only, as that is what they do best, espcially with their great exclusives. Leave portable market to Nintendo.
Trust me. I want to be wrong on this one. The Vita was such an incredible system. Still worth owning.
Sony does have a patent for a new handheld device. but it's more likely their answer to the Switch. Sony always follows Nintendo's lead. If the Switch really takes off you can bet that Sony will release a similar completing product.
I dont think the vita 2 will ever be a thing...
Much like how the switch will never succeed but maybe slightly more then the wiiu. The games they have are mainly targeted towards children and nintendo fans. Nothing outside zelda and mario this year will garner mass appeal.
Psvita awesomely supported is better than a potential psvita2
being better than switch it's not that hard XD
if sony really wants to do a psvita2 this time i wait for 10/15 games that interests me before buying it
Switch is decent and marketed to high heaven.
Vita was and still is an impressive handheld experience, plus the games available on PS Store is a hefty amount.
If a second Vita does come along, it could succeed, so long as it intergrates with PS4, backwards compatibility and PlayStation Now.
Umm there is no Vita 2 and Sony has not announced a Vita 2. What is the purpose of this article? Nintendo owns the handheld market and nothing will change that.
Would love a PS Vita 2 or a "PSP2" for a more sensible & recognisable name, even if Vita was technically the PSP2.
....if the Vita was that big of a disaster why are developers still releasing games for it? (I know they aren't triple A titles) Yes, it didn't sell in DS / 3DS size numbers we all know that. But the year in and year out negative articles from the media (aren't they supposed to support the game industry?) announcing the death nell of the Vita have missed the mark big time. Despite their best efforts - they haven't killed the thing off yet - 5 years after it was released. The machine had just about everything (apart from the stupid proprietry memory card) yet the Media still f*****g complained. Whinging, whiney, miserable and toxic. I wonder what could have been had they decided to support the device? Just as well they appear to be adopting a more positive approach for the Switch (despite the limited library of games and users complaining about screen scratch and joycon issues). I've just bought a switch and hope it doesn't suffer a similar fate at the hands of the Media - they can be really fickle.
The words ‘Nintendo Switch’ have been hot out of every gamer’s mouth since its release; whether it is a journalist’s thinkpiece, the inevitable praising of Breath of the Wild as if it was the second coming of Jesus Christ himself, or general discussion on the system and its potential. The Nintendo Switch is bringing gamers back to a nostalgic time of anticipation and uncertainty.
Basically "wait to buy the Switch" right?
Thanks for the cautionary tale, but there's one key difference you're overlooking on the Switch as opposed to the Vita.
With the Switch, numerous big name third parties have either alluded, or outright said, that they are waiting to see sales before deciding on going all in with the Switch.
So if you don't want the Switch to end up like the Vita, if you actually want big name third parties to put games on it, then the absolute WORST thing you could do, is encourage people to wait on buying it.
Just saying.
'Buy it because the big guys want you to show them promising numbers and charts' is no reason to purchase a system with very little to offer to begin with, either.
If the precondition were anything other than needing to see numbers before the big guys will move, on any system with a less promising future, I would absolutely agree with you.
Again, this all comes back to whether or not you want to see the system get lots of AAA third parties.
If you don't give a damn about the console, neither will the big name third parties who are forcing you to wait on them by not moving until sales are there.
You either invest and see the Switch get some of those big names you say you want to see on the system, or you sit on the sidelines, and watch the Switch live or die by the strength of indies, exclusives, and first parties,
It's up to you whether you want to invest in improving its lineup with a purchase sooner rather than later, but either way, that's how third parties have set things up.
They're piling the grunt work of system sales onto consumers before their own games will show up to affect system sales.
No one likes it, but that's how it is.
@wonde- no that's just the way it is for Nintendo , they are the ones that historically sell crap numbers in the first place
I'm sorry but the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One launched with Call of Duty and Battlefield along with other huge third-party series.
It was not a wait-and-see for them because they actually trust those manufacturers to properly make a damn platform to support their games
It will never be a "wait-and-see" for the majority that actually hold the market share. ..
When you hold the majority market share you basically only the entire Market it actually means when Sony and Microsoft released next-generation platforms that technically is when the next Generation begins in those developers eyes because they own the market share to control that decision.
In regards to the Home console Market Sony and Microsoft have an absolutely ludicrous market share in which they are the ones that determine when those generation start , not Nintendo.
where shadow of War on the switch? Do you honest to God really believe that just because the platform is releasing after PlayStation 4 and Xbox one that companies will shift all of their development to a weaker platform? If you have to beg for support when your platform releases after the fact that you're already on the wrong foot.
Third parties support Sony and Microsoft the very day they released new Platforms in regards to Home console because they understand that they carry the majority of the market Nintendo does not their system just sold 14 million they are the ones that need to beg for consumers to take the gamble there is no gambling when you buy a Playstation or Xbox and has a history of support and it will continue to get that support so long as those companies continue to keep their end of the bargain to third parties.
If you want to know why this is happening simply asked Nintendo why did decided to make a system that had less technical features than its Rivals 3 years into a generation if you want support you still have to meet what third parties want in the first.
You are a small mom-and-pop shop begging for the ice cream vendor without a freezer while Walmart and Publix are openly letting that vendor know that they have a freezer at no cost if they want to sell their product.
You have to beg for that vendors support , Walmart and Target do not because they provide that vendor what they need to house their product
you need to please dear God take your grievance with Nintendo not the vendor or consumers.
Customers did not tell Nintendo to not buy a freezer when begging for ice cream vendors support
Why should I third party support a company that doesn't even support their own Endeavors?
There is a reason why Final Fantasy 7 is a PlayStation 1 game in not in N64 game
I agree, if you want a system to succeed, you have to support it. While the Switch has a current lackluster library, I know Nintendo will fully support it.
Lol no.
The other way around ,if the company wants to system supported they need to be able to support third parties wishes if they want those games to be on their platform in the first place.
I understand with the Wii U that they could not really predict what Sony or Microsoft was going to do, okay we could just said It was a mistake but for god sakes for 3 years now they already knew with the existing Hardware was going to be, this system fails solely on Nintendo's terrible choices.
I do not believe it is upon the consumer to determine a platform success that is not their job they have no ode to any company to do any favors or anything like that at the end of the day this system should be providing the user with something that they actually need from the get-go if they're unable to provide that that is their loss.
This is not a charity and that is not how business works so please dear God stop trying to blame consumers for this company's shortcomings they fail because of their bad choices.
Give me something I want and I will give you something you want that is classic business Concept in until they're able to provide users with that type of understanding I see no reason to bend over backwards and purchase something based on some sort of Promise of future success.
Hey monkey we been enemies on here lol bcus I tell it how it is with Nintendos bs decisions but feel free to pm me your switch id and I'll add you :)
I don't know why you keep saying this even though numerous users including myself as actually corrected you
the number of sales this actually gets is still not going to determine if some games release on the platform, at the end of the day the Wiis success did not determine whether or not Mass Effect or Resident Evil or Battlefield or what-have-you appeared on the platform, the platform was unable to actually support those games so it never did , so please stop making it sound as if if the sales exist so will all of the games because the Wii is a great example to show that is not necessarily the case.
this system is very likely for a fact on able to support some of those games
There's a reason why those developers are not making PlayStation 3 in 360 games in fact there's a reason why some of them are not making Wii U games so why on Earth would the switch be any different if you consider the three platforms I mentioned have larger install bases?
Meh, not buying a Switch this year because of third party games that more than likely will also release on other consoles, I will buy it for the Nintendo first party titles!
@edmix
" no that's just the way it is for Nintendo , they are the ones that historically sell crap numbers in the first place"
No, ed.
That's shifting the goalposts away from what third parties directly said.
They are waiting for sales to show there's enough of an audience to buy their games.
It is quite literally that simple. You're complicating it for the sake of Nintendo blaming.
Its actually not that simple because it's such an ambiguous statement. How big of an audience is enough? What types of games do they plan to support the Switch with? Serious question, do you think the Switch will be able to run new AAA games that will be releasing in 2019? Or will it get watered down versions.
It's easy for a company to renege on such an unclear claim. It's quite literally as simple as "15 million consoles just isn't enough for a return on investment, sorry."
If 3rd party are waiting for something to happen upon Nintendo in regards to sales it's because they have to do that in the first place, they do not have a history of large numbers and Trust.
Did they have to do this on PlayStation 4 and Xbox one? We had Assassin's Creed Destiny Call of Duty Battlefield and every major huge third-party property releasing on those platforms they did not need to "wait and see" because Sony and Microsoft are the majority they carry the most market share.
Nintendo is the one that needs to wait and see they are the ones that need to beg for support ,they are the ones that it's easy for third parties to say no to, the fact that they're even waiting shows they have an option to NOT support the platform that is something cannot they cannot do on Playstation or Xbox.
When PlayStation 5 in the next Xbox release 100% guaranteed they are getting a massive amount of support by default because they carry the majority , that means the next Battlefield the next Call of Duty the next Watch Dogs Assassin's Creed what have you will likely launch on their platforms no questions asked they don't need to question that support with Nintendo that support is questioned
I'm still not really sure you don't understand how this works it's almost as if you don't want to come to a logical understanding that this is actually not normal in regards to business.
If a vendor is telling a small retail chain that they're going to wait and see on their store numbers before supporting them what do you think about that?
Do you think that same vendors going to tell Walmart they're going to wait and see? The largest retailer in regards to brick-and-mortar?
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You're having a very hard time explaining how this happens to Sony or Microsoft, OH WAIT it doesn't...
Sony and Microsoft essentially own the hardcore Market in regards to Home console the Wii U selling 14 million in the wiis architecture and low technology confirmed that Sony and Microsoft for the foreseeable future would owb that entire Market , they essentially could release their new platforms at any time with guaranteed support by the majority third-party no "wait and see" necessary they've already proven that they own the majority market share
that isn't subjective , that's actually a real fact backed up with numbers, you're arguing against math...
@ monkey man
Personally, I feel a company should, in some capacity, earn my money. As a consumer I don't want to have to earn their business. If third parties are waiting for sales to jump on board, then the onus is on Nintendo to entice consumers to buy their product. After the Wii and WiiU, you can't expect gamers to just buy the Switch based on the potential of getting third party support. Especially considering there is no way for us to know what the install base has to be before it's worthwhile for third party developers. It could take years to reach the amount (say, for arguments sake, 20 million install base), and even if it does, it will take even longer after that for them to finish developing the games (development times are usually over two years). So best case scenario, Switch starts getting new AAA third party games over three years after launch. And we are supposed to shell out money and wait that long? It's quite the conundrum.
Well, what killed third party for the PSP and the Vita was piracy.
So, I believe it will also kill the Switch.
That's a terrible reason to buy it. Buy it if you want it not because over what outside companies have said. Lots of people will want to wait and see based on Nintendos previous console support. This people should not just go out buy one because 3rd parties want to see big numbers. That's a red flag for me straight away. The fact they're waiting to see numbers shows they aren't committed so it's likely they aren't going to support it fully or possibly not at all in the years to come. There was none of this we want to see numbers when the other consoles released. Sure they made their games cross gen but they never had a problem supporting the other 2 from the get go.
The Vita had plenty of 3rd party support. Some big, plenty of mid-tier, and plenty of low end games.
Vita in fact has an exceptionally high attach rate.
Problem is, people didn't buy the games early on, because around forums all we heard was there were no games, or they were poor ports, despite that not being the case. Later, Sony dropped marketing to the point that people forgot about it. Eventually, most developers moved on, namely because Sony dropped western support.
A console's install base doesn't mean there won't be support. A system just needs software sales. Those sales need to be from more than just 1st party games. WiiU didn't lose support due to low sales, it lost support because those early games on the system failed to sell.
I get the reasoning you're going for, but I also brought a WiiU, and I'm not going to go on spec with the system. I already did that with X1, and that's enough disappointment for one gen. If Nintendo wants my cash, they need to prove that they are going to care for more than just their 1st party line up.
"If Nintendo wants my cash, they need to prove that they are going to care for more than just their 1st party line up."
They're already doing so by working harder with outside developers and spreading out releases, instead of cramming everything notable straight into the launch.
Nintendo cannot just force third parties to halt projects that are already almost done for the sake of Switch versions, dude, and they equally cannot just force third parties to make games people will buy their system for.
Also, you have to remember that it's not Nintendo forcing third parties to say that they're waiting on us.
Third parties are waiting because even their AAA's didn't pull none-Nintendo gamers to the Wii U, so now they're taking the reverse course with the Switch by waiting for the numbers first.
And if what you're waiting for is third party games, then you are perpetuating the vicious cycle of no games coming because you, and many others, don't put your effort out where third parties see it and respond to it.
I'm not saying that in a mean or bashing way, btw.
I'm just stating facts.
The plain and simple fact is that third parties are waiting on us, and if you won't get a Switch for first party games, exclusives, or indies, and are waiting for third parties to react, then you're creating the very cycle you don't want, because third parties are waiting on you and others like you, no matter what Nintendo does.
If you want third parties, you need to be the one to act first.
Those few big AAA devs have made it perfectly clear that they're waiting on comsumers, regardless of whatever Nintendo says to them.
Be the change, because waiting is a fruitless endeavor.
Yeah, well, we've been here before with the WiiU. They had some decent support early on, then when the software didn't sale, Nintendo didn't really care much anymore. So, while I'll buy a Switch at some point, I'm still not going to jump in for the couple games they have now.
Beyond that, it's not just 3rd party support in general, but rather, compelling 3rd party support that makes it worth while to me. I don't need a Switch for what I can get on the Vita. I don't need a switch for multi-plats. The system either has to have enough first party games released that I want to play, which will take some time, or good 3rd party support.
Don't assume what 3rd party devs are going to do. Never assume. Sales mean everything when it comes to publishers deciding where to release. Never take the feel good talks of publishers or devs saying how much they're going to support a system early on. It means nothing. It meant nothing on the WiiU, it meant nothing on the Wii. Software sales mean everything, and it's not up to us to just buy games now hoping that it'll incentivize more games. There is no need because there are other places to play now.
There is no vicious cycle. Publishers release early on platforms to get that initial early adopter sale. If the software doesn't sell them at a certain percentage to the user base, then there won't be more games. Publishers are very well aware of this paradigm. That being said, the competition doesn't have this problem ,and Nintendo consoles don't sell such low numbers that they should be having this problem either. This leaves the problem squarely on Nintendo.
Think of it this way. Go ask any random person who isn't a fan of Nintendo, but interested in the hardware, to name a single non-Nintendo game being released, and chances are, they won't be able to. Even right now, the only one I can really think of is bomberman, but that's just because I love that IP, and Rime, because it's been making some rounds in the news lately.
That being said, I didn't take your comment as an attack.
But, if publishers and devs are waiting on us, then I guess the software support is going to not go anywhere fast.
More likely scenario is though, that Nintendo will supplant it's 3DS with the Switch, as well as make it their home console solution. By doing so, they'll get the hardware sales, which will get them the software support. When that time comes, I'll get the system.
It has always been wait and see by 3rd party... Did you forget how many companies didn't want to develope for ps3. Once The numbers grew, it started to shift. And it's happened pretty much every generation since nes
@wonder, so you're saying people should buy the switch to ensure 3rd party support rather than Nintendo ensuring 3rd party support to get people to buy the switch. Sorry but it doesn't work like that. Its Nintendo who need to step up their game tbh.
There's nothing Nintendo can do to force that.
Even if the Switch was a carbon copy of the Scorpio, third parties would still hold back because of how things went before.
So yeah, this is a unique case where it DOES "work like that."
If you want to see third parties on Switch, you DO need to act first.
And the reason it is like that, is because that's what some of these third party devs have stated as their position.
Not Nintendo.
Third parties.
No amount of "stepping up their game" is going to get Nintendo the method needed to force you to buy a Switch for third parties.
Nor can Nintendo force, coerce, or magically convince these same-said third parties to suddenly scrounge up extra money, time, and effort to interrupt current projects just to get them out on Switch sooner rather than later, because third parties aren't going to want to delay their projects just for Nintendo's sake, and late versions don't sell well enough to be worth it on their own
Some of these third parties need heavy justification to move forward.
And like it or not, YOUR PURCHASE of the Switch, IS that justification.
If you want third parties to show effort, you need to be there first.
Because third parties, not Nintendo, said so.
Let me say that again, for emphasis; Because third parties, NOT NINTENDO, said so.
If there's no games for the system, which there currently is only 1 reason to buy the Switch atm (Zelda of course), of course I'm going to wait. Seeing as how this system can barely out-perform its predecessor (and even under-perform it in some cases), why would I buy ANY multiplatforms for it? There has been comparisons for it such as for Dragon Quest Heroes 2, and it runs about as good as the Vita version. Yes it looks a lot better, but general performance is awful. Literally EVERY time you enter combat it struggles.
So that pretty much leaves exclusives, be they from Nintendo or not. This system won't be worth it for anything else. Especially considering games like Skyrim look like their original 2011 counterparts.
That doesn't even consider any of the systems other drawbacks like de-syncing joy cons, terrible range on it's wireless functions, scratching the screen, bad battery time while undocked, it's charging port being on the bottom so you can't charge it while using the kick stand, the joy con addons getting stuck if you put them on wrong etc and so on ad nauseum. I'm most certainly waiting to pick it up. It's just not worth it.
A big difference between Vita and Switch is definitely in support. The Vita suffered because Sony themselves pulled away from the Vita, considering it a legacy platform.
Switch is now Nintendo's main focus and they're very likely to have their 3DS studios and partners supporting it. It should have respectable first and third party support.
My only concern with Switch is that, due to its lack in power relative to the rival hardware, it's unlikely to garner meaningful sales of multiplatform titles. I could be wrong but, hopefully, people will at least buy it for portability reasons so Nintendo can secure that third party support. I've always loved Nintendo as an exclusive machine, so as long as we get plenty of those, I'll be content. Playstation is my main platform so I use the others strictly for worthwhile exclusives. It's my sincerest hope that most gamers aren't like me and buy multiplatform games on Switch to convince developers to stay on board.
Bought the Vita at launch, bought the Switch at launch. Sony was stupid for what they did, but they still had a backup plan with their dominating console. On the other hand, Nintendo has to give this everything they have lest they crumble. That's why I'm placing more faith on this than the failure of a Sony handheld.
But there's still a comparison there nonetheless.
Nintendo & Sony need to start actually supporting their systems (more so Sony's handheld, the PlayStation 4 is getting some decent backing by Sony) if they want people to continue trusting them.
Both the Wii U and PS Vita were unexpectedly abandoned and for no actual reason.
Nintendo supported the Wii U for 4 full years.
Sony gave up after 3 years for Vita. Not only that Nintendo isn't ashamed to reveal the Wii U sales number every earning.
While Sony just hides the number ever since the 3DS sales skyrocket in mid 2012 by a gigantic margin.
PS4 is getting decent? Backing it's smashing it out the park Nintendo never fail to support their systems meanwhile Xbox has one new game and a whole new console with the same new game coming out for it. Why aren't microsoft doomed and their lacklustre line up bombarded with hate daily.
@LordScorpio
I don't go to Nintendo Life.
The only Nintendo gaming news site I got to is NintendoEverything.
Nice try acting like you know me
How long a system is left on a market doesn't matter to me if it no longer get games.
Do you think I give a damn if the PS3 still on the market when it getting no games announcement and when I no longer have one but have a PS4. NO
The wiiu was abandoned because it was a failure and nintendo was ready to move on and the vita was abandoned by sony because it seems that sony either couldn't afford to support two consoles or they just gave up when they ran into trouble. Nintendo supported two consoles in the wiiu and 3ds. Nintendo is going to throw the support of both their handheld console and home console divisions behind the switch. We are already seeing a lot of the 3rd party devs that supported the 3ds moving to the switch. If the switch can get a mixture of what the wiiu and 3ds had then the console will be very successful and a really good rpg machine.
The big mistake with vita was the memory cards. I just could not justify spending money on those so I was stuck with the small amount that came with it which just made it a pain for installing games.
Yeah, the big problem (even as a Vita supporter myself) were the added costs of the memory cards.
Sony went with their own type instead of supporting SD or others, which pushed the costs up & due to it being the only card of its type, Sony have barely dropped the prices of the cards.
I had the money to get a 64GB card, but I could see how it looks to someone without the extra.
If they dropped the prices of those cards a decent amount, relative to how much they cost to make while still getting a profit (since they already lost a lot on Vita models they had to dump), then I'm sure more people would be interested in the device.
I bet software sales were affected as well. I doubt I'm the only one who didn't bother buying bigger cards so I can imagine many just not bothering to buy new games after a while due to small amount of space. It's a shame it had to be like that too because the vita is a great handheld.
Problem with the Vita is that Sony was never really fully committed to it. At least not in the west. They started off strong, but then focused almost all their efforts onto the PS4, and even the PS3. Vita was a no show at several E3's, barely got any attention at smaller events, and after it's initial marketing push, their advertising dried up.
Support on the Vita was really good the first 2 years or so, then it dropped off a cliff unless you were into Japanese games. It wasn't a matter of software sales, because software sold pretty good on it. It's just that Sony stopped caring, and then publishers stopped caring.
Nintendo will likely be more focused on Switch, but if they get the software support will depend on how well that software sells on the system. On top of that, Nintendo does very little to promote 3rd party, which is something both MS and Sony have made into an art form.
Spot on. I picked up my Vita on release day and anticipated a great system. The way Sony sent it out to die was utterly disgusting - I still feel robbed to this day.
Nintendo is going to support the switch unlike Sony did with the vita and Sony was stupid for dropping support of the vita so quickly. The psp was a good handheld console and the vita could've been better if Sony didn't abandon it.
Sony to allow Nintendo to take the handheld market?... when has anyone taken the handheld market from Nintendo . iPhones taken a slice these days for sure but Nes Geos Lynxs Game Gears, Psp (came closest) Vita many handhelds bigger better brighter and more technical have come and gone no one has ever truly troubled Nintendos handhelds hence why gameboy line was drip fed with upgrades and even when they went from advance to DS it was still only on par with N64 which psp is going for ps2 ish in your pocket vita went PS3/4 in your pocket and 3ds is like a top end Wii. Still smashed Vita out the park, I got both and enjoy them both but had the 3ds day one and got Vita a year or so after launch (before those new ones with different screens came out) vita wasn't supported 3ds has been. It's had all the top end franchines you would expect Vita didn't get any like psp did and it shows.
Having competition means the market isn't fully in their control, you do realise that, right? Letting the Vita die off will give them that control.
The industry needs competition.
Of course otherwise it would mean they have a monopoly over the handheld market they don't they might as well have no ones ever got near to them except psp maybe, but it's theirs Nintendo's to take. It makes it sound like Sony have got a major market share of the handheld or they were ever in 1st place no one has taken Nintendos handheld throne and way things are changing looks like home consoles will start going portable/dockable.
I'm all for competition however bad it is (Xbox1) without it you don't get the best bits from the other consoles like your free games every month.
Yeah if you have time or can be bothered. Spelling without numbers is more important.
If you hadn't notice if just splurge every now and again. Get a bit passionate about these games ;) hardcore gamer and all wouldn't wish people dead tho like some of these crazy people or resort to beating someone up cos they went for an Xbox. Id seriously consider them as a friend 🤔😉✌🏻 If you can afford to it's always good to have a secondary console.
I'm enjoying the comments that are claiming X is better than Y rather than actually getting the point of the piece.
N4G at its finest.
I live with two other people, all of us have our own systems piled up in the living room (including the switch) and we often chill out and play on whatever system we feel like. Never understood the ridiculous dedication some people have for a piece of plastic by a company that just wants your money.
Dedication to a piece of plastic? Is the concept of limited funds lost upon you? Just because you have the disposable income to own every system doesn't mean others do. And just because people have or chose one platform doesn't mean it's because of dedication to a piece of plastic. There are also people that do have disposable income, but don't see a point in just frivolously spending money on something that's of little value to them.
@r2oB,
You missed his point. He's not saying you have to buy more than one console, but there's no reason for someone who's not interested in Nintendo games to crap on Breath of the Wild, no reason for someone who's not interested in Uncharted to crap on that, and no reason for someone who has no interest in Halo to crap on that. If a companies games don't interest you, that's fine. If others enjoy them and they're well loved, that's still a good thing.
Agreed. I have no dedication to one company I own all consoles from all manufacturers well I did or have done, Xbox 1 has been sold on, needs more games. Still got my 360 tho. And all the other formats... except for PC 😩🕹
Definitely if you have the capital to throw on them, yeah. I guess their futures won't bother you at all as you won't feel like you lost anything.
At least with the Vita Sony was able to say, "Look, we'll give you backwards compatibility eventually."
And they did, and that was a big reason for PSP gamers--and gamers who never bought a PSP--to grab a Vita.
@edmix
The reason ff7 was ps1 exclusive was because square couldn't fit the game on a cart, and Nintendo didn't have a disc based system due to their falling out with Sony in the partnership to create the Nintendo/Sony Playstation disc/cartridge hybrid system due to licensing disagreements between the two companies. So when Sony released their Playstation as a disc based system, it gave square the ability to make such a big game and release it on multiple discs. When square told Nintendo they were going to publish with Sony, Nintendo threw a bitch fit. That's why ff7 was exclusive to Playstation. Not because of trust or market share.
nope not worth buying it as yet hardly any games out for it
look what happen with the wiiu how all these developers said we support it blah blah blah and going to bring out cool games for it
nope never did happen at all they all said we no longer support this system.
developers would have to pay Nintendo a license fee and to use there tools to put there games on the system
so in the long run them paying all this money out is not worth it yet.
they can make more money on pc consoles then they can with the switch
its a dodo
bad release hardware failed hardly no games out for it
if everyone followed this logic then no one would buy the switch and then it wouldn't have a chance to be a success. If you want the switch to succeed and to be supported. Don't wait, take a chance be an early adopter and buy games for it and enjoy it. support it so it has a chance.
You sound like one of the people that would purchase early access games that were never finished.
While I am indeed very much pissed off with Nintendo for not having a web browser on the Nintendo Switch, I am not dumb enough to think that the Nintendo Switch will suffer the same fate as the PS Vita; just because Nintendo's first party support will for sure be there unlike Sony who abandoned the PS Vita. And mind you this is coming from a day one 3g PS Vita buyer.
Yoshida says there are still first party games on the way to vita. Just Google it from GameSpot. You obviously harp on something negative when you don't have time to look more open minded. :/
You consumers are to blame when Sony put out these first party titles, you didn't support it and have some kind of mindset like a stupid consumer who doesn't get it.
Business works both ways
Lol pm me 5 times didn't even read it but vita is dead. It's a figure of speech, sorry if your hurt about it. Just cause you own a system doesn't mean you need to defend it. I own a vita and admit it's dead. It's okay.
First off fu bottom bitch! Second I did buy Sony's first party games like Resistance and Little Big Planet and Others for my PS Vita. Third Sony hasn't supported the PS Vita with a first party title in years, and is even removing PS Now support. And keep your ballwasher shut and don't come disrespectful at others and they won't disrespect you. Sony is fully to blame for the PS Vita being a failure.
Hey my fairminded friend, there's also games still coming out for Dreamcast, PS3, 360, and WiiU. Those systems aren't dead right? Dreamcast and WiiU have stopped system production, but it isn't dead right? Vita is a failure and this is coming from a Pro Sony fan. They should drop the console and focus on home consoles.
First party games coming to vita.. yea games that I can also play on my pspro and probably ps3 and psn. Your probably fair minded enough to think they would make a noteworthy 1st party exclusive game for vita. lol you may be dumb to think that way but Sony isn't. It's coming to other Sony platforms so it makes the vita irrelevant.
Lol yea keep wasting your time. Now I'm less of a gamer? I probably have more systems then you because I have all of them aside from android and iPad. My pc is better haha.
And I said all noteworthy games on vita will come to other PlayStation platforms. Perhaps there's nothing to play vita that's why you are on here spamming your messages. Why make a big exclusive game for a platform that has weak software sales and only 15 mil install base.
I complain about Switch cause I'm objective. Just cause I own the system doesn't mean I have to defend the Vita like you. I will even say the Vita is more impressive hardware at the time because it was stronger than PS2 by a wider margin than the Switch is stronger than the WiiU. Plus it has a back touch screen, it looked more sleek, and it has a better battery life.
But Sony doesn't support Vita with enough exclusive worthwhile content, so it's DEAD.
I like the Vita a lot. I actually blame Sony in putting less faith in it than it should
I'll always find it hilarious how even when Sony seemingly abandoned their second handheld, Vita still outsold Wii U which was heavily supported by Nintendo.
Never underestimate the power that third party support can do for a platform.
got the vita although it was dead on arrival. mobile gaming on dedicated machines is deadder than dead. oh wait, the switch is doing stellar, even rivaling the ps4, the xbox and the new xoxbox. ok, let's forget for one second about the absolute market dominator: when was the last time you saw someone playing his or her dedicated machine outside? I can't really remember. what I'm seeing everyday though is that everybody and their little daughter got smartphones when they are on their way to go somewhere.
Vita was and still amazing. Playing uncharted and gravity rush on it was simply epic. Such a shame Sony gave up on it