PS5 release date in 2019 at earliest, Sony won't counter Xbox Scorpio says analyst

From PlayStation Universe: "Analyst talks PS5 release date and Xbox Scorpio launch. Believes Ps5 will launch 2019 at earliest and Xbox Two in 2020."

[Rimeskeem]

I'm hoping late 2020 (7 years). When the next system comes around I'll assume at least 8 teraflops since Cerney stated it was the necessary amount for native 4K for all games.

[freshslicepizza]

yes, we should believe everything cerny says even though he was the one who would not allow the ps4 pro to be unlocked for months until the 4.5 patch. of course he is going to suggest scorpio isn't powerful enough yet for native 4k,

[Rimeskeem]

I'd rather believe someone who has been in the business for decades than some random developer gamingbolt managed to interview with.

[Liqu1d]

Considering the Scorpio will use checkerboard rendering as well then 6TF clearly isn't enough, but I'm sure you know more than Mark Cerny.

[MyDietEqualsGames]

Moldy, feeling threatened by Knack.

[DaGreatOne]

Coming from somebody who fervently supports a company that has pulled more 180s than the X games that's funny.

[jukins]

Lol how can someone dedicate so much time to being a troll what do you really get out of it?

[DillyDilly]

You guys believe Michael Patcher when he predicts nice things about Playstation

[andrewsquall]

@moldybread Haha even with Scorpio on the way can you still not just calm down? You still have to get immensely defensive anything Xbone hardware related (even though you claim to be a PC fan at your convenience)

YES, the same guy that said, this time 4 years ago, at the PS4 reveal that offloading CPU tasks to the GPU would be mighty beneficial to devs on its exclusive GDDR5 only architecture.
Guess what? Games like Killzone Shadow Fall, Infamous Second Son, The Order 1886, Ratchet and Clank 2016, Uncharted 4, Gravity Rush 2 (for those insane animations and physics of course and all at native 1080p too) and now Horizon Zero Dawn all prove that he was 100% correct.

As PS4 owners we suffer when we get awful under performing 3rd party games like AC Unity, Watch Dogs, Evolve, Homefront The Sequel, Just Cause 3, "Ghost Recon: Whatever Parity There is Going To Be For Yet Another Ubisoft Game Just Like For Honor and The Division and Rainbow Six Newest One". Wow that last game has a hell of a subtitle lol.
And yeah, I know games like this are Xboners' salvation but they aren't for all of us when we already have our own stunning exclusives. And these are a perfect example of just some of the games you will get to play at slightly better res and fps on Scorpio over base PS4 (that you aren't getting though since you are a massive PC fan anyway). Well done for you.

[bouzebbal]

How is the fight fair against a console that doesn't have any exclusive ??

[Mithan]

It isn't. Look at the GPU's for PC's. 12TFLops barely does it and that is with today's graphics. Tomorrows games will be more intense on the GPU, and will need more power to get the same frame rate.

If a PS4 comes out in 2019, it will most likely have 10-12TFlops of GPU processing. One would suspect that it will use a modified Ryzen/Vega architecture, which will be 2 years old at that point. That would be a good bump and in-line with what to expect 2 years after a Scorpio release.

[Sparta07]

I'm pretty sure he knows more then you.
You're a fool.
You guys think Scorpio is going to be some super computer.
When in reality is not.
I bet you anything not all games first, second or 3rd rd party will be 4K native.

[mikeslemonade]

PS5 should be 2018 if it was my choice. These systems keep falling behind PC specs is not good.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

@mikeslemonade Consoles are always behind PCs and they always will be. They don't compete in the same space because consoles are a cheap way to game for the next 5 or so years with little to no fuss. That's their appeal because people don't want to get into the nitty gritty of designing and upgrading their PCs (they probably don't care about performance to the same degree either.

[rainslacker]

He was at least honest about it. Said it was because it wasn't reliable enough, so they throttled the GPU/CPU. At the time, I'd assume that was the case, and Sony now has a way to make it more reliable.

I'd trust Cerny a lot more than I'd trust you on any technical matter. You've time and again shown how you are clueless on anything technical.

I'd also trust the numerous PC gamers who have stated countless times that 6TF is the bare minimum, or just not enough for good 4K.

I'd trust MS if they weren't so prone to making claims which fail to live up to their promises. But on this, it'll be what MS says when pressed to be truthful. Some games will support it, some won't, and it'll depend on the developer and what they want to achieve.

Personally, I think 8TF is just barely above the minimum for decent 4K, and since you are so big on 60fps being the only way to play games, you'll be wanting to wait for 11-13TF.

[BIGBOSS08]

Microsoft are the kings of doing 180s. They'll backtrack on the true 4k guaranteed.

[Skillz1215]

yo get the f---k off Playstation forums. All you ever do is come on Playstation articles and talk smack. You have nerve when your console doesn't even have exclusive titles. Your Xbox must be getting real moldy due to the lack of games there buddy

[Skillz1215]

and NO scorpio is not powerful enough to run all games at 4k 60fps my PC isnt even powerful enough for that

[MyDietEqualsGames]

2020 of Fall sounds fantastic. and 8 TF? Nah. I would bet on 10-12 with PC hitting around 20 or close to it. I'm just guessing though, or counter guessing.

[Rimeskeem]

It's all about pricing the console. If they can hit 10-12 TF at a 400-500 range then that's what they will do.

[COMMENT-OF-THE-YEAR]

I think we are going to start hearing about it in 2018. Maybe mid to late 2018. This cycle will be a bit shorter than last. The last one was super long. Don't expect it to go that long. You have to remember the 18-month rule with game dev for launch title ports. If they want Xmas 19 they will need to have games starting in mid to 2018. If they want early 2020 then late 2018.

PS5 is probably in some form of production right now if they are aiming for 19/20, Early stages.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

Personally I think your numbers are a little high, but it's hard to predict technology in the next few years, especially when we're having a few leaps this year and the next few years.

[pleasuretokill]

Not 4k/60fps it won't be. Not at 8TF, especially by then. I'm guessing approx 12-16TF will be needed by 2020 for games to run at 4k/60fps. (every year games get more and more demanding to run at the same res/fps) If you're going for 4k/30fps (yuck) then, I guess so... good luck with that. 60fps should be an industry standard FIRST before resolution is all cases, in every game.

[starchild]

Even on next gen consoles I do not think that 4k/60fps will be the standard. Gamers expect there to be a huge jump in graphics between generations and you're not going to get that if you spend most of your performance budget on 4k resolution and 60fps.

4k checkerboard at 30fps and a big jump in visual quality is more likely what we'll get.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

I'm going to get alot of disagrees for this too, but I think 1440p or a bit higher at 60fps upscaled to 4K is a more realistic target for next gen consoles. PCs are only just dipping their feet into 4K waters as it is, most people are still happily gaming at full HD which is fine on smaller TVs and monitors. Personally I struggle with playing consoles on bigger full HD tvs, not enough detail to read text and spot enemies.

[WickedLester]

I'm not sure if Sony will wait quite that long. I'm thinking fall of 2019.

[rainslacker]

Will probably depend on how well Pro and Scorpio does. If MS manages to achieve high number with Scorpio, I think PS5 will come out earlier. No doubt, Sony already has it's plans in place for what they want from the machine, so it's just a matter of getting the hardware designed.

But if Sony is doing well with PS4, then there is no real reason for them to rush it until games start getting to the point that developers start to struggle to achieve more with the hardware.

[boomtube1987]

i hope next gen we are able to get 60fps...i know 4k gaming will be the norm but i prefer 1080p min and 60fps min

[Tech5]

I would predict every 3 years for sony. the upgrade was debatable and yet the push was within 3 years. which was a first. it would seem that these pushes (while not necessary or debatable) could be made in order to move the mass market. it's well within the possibility.

[Fist4achin]

It seems pretty early to be talking about the next generation. I feel like the developers are just now starting to test the capabilities of where they can go with this generations software.

[S2Killinit]

I'll have the PS4Pro for now, and that will keep me until PS5 arrives.

[GNCFLYER]

2020 or whenever newer less expensive tech mandates it.

[AzubuEntus]

PS5 already? It feels like as though it was year when Sony revealed news of the PS4.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

^ This, unfortunately most people don't seem to get this line of thinking. I don't think we can expect 4K 30/60fps consoles by that time frame though due to costings. This gen and last gen already proved where the sweet spot cost wise is if you look at the PS3/360 and PS4/Xone.

[GNCFLYER]

I'm in no hurry. Not with the amount of content and games coming at us. We are in the prime of this gen now.

Everyone's on board and working on and putting iut new IP and games. Graphics look great, everything's rolling.

Sony did a nice job on the Pro. Hardware enabled Checkerboard rendering is sweet, even PC guys are saying it looks 4k, and that for 399 it's a value. HZD running 4k (CB) is amazing as its such a big open world beautiful game. Let's get some more like this.

So im fine until the next jump, true 4k @60 for everything minimum.

People haven't caught up yet. There is probably 4% market penetration for 4k sets right now. Prices are falling. They just aren't in people's home yet. Direct tv or no cable companies aren't broadcasting yet in 4k. Its gonna be a while yet.

[Chriscrinkle18]

GNCFLYER here in the U.K. The two biggest companies in the TV market are broadcasting in 4K. Live sport and Films with more on the way so I think it's further along then you believe.

[WeAreLegion]

No reason to counter Scorpio. What are people even going to play on it?

[ItMatters]

halo 6
Gears of war 5
Fable
Crackdown 3
Star Wars battlefront 2
Red dead redemption 2
Prey
Forza 7
Cuphead
Ori and the blind Forrest 2
Sea of theives
State of decay 2
Call of duty
Grand theft auto 6
I'll be playing lots of games on Scorpio, especially considering I hate playing on PC.
Every single multiplayer game Will look better on Scorpio then The ps4 pro.

[OB1Biker]

I think the point is theres no reason to release a PS5 if theres no new gen games to back it up.
Its a new generation of games that will need to be supported by a new gen console. Not the other way round for Sony.
Ms have a different approach atm possibly because they want more power to support VR

[GNCFLYER]

"Every single multilayer game will look better on Scorpio then the ps4 pro"

Which sadly is the only thing most xbox one gamers have cared about since 2014. Not games, just pixels.

Look at the difference in PS4 and xbox one library, its huge. Not to mention what's coming.

Also, graphics are so good now that without a leap to 8k it isnt gonna matter. This isn't 1080 vs 720 anymore where it's extremely noticeable.

[ItMatters]

@gnc PlayStation guys have been tearing Xbox apart over pixels for the last few years, not the other way around.

[DillyDilly]

All those games on PC can be played with an XBOX One Controller

[NotanotherReboot]

Fable? you do realize that got cancelled and the studio shut down?

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

@ItMatters There's not a significant difference between the PS4 and Xone spec-wise this gen. Unless we start looking at the Pro vs Scorpio. The PS4 just has a significantly better library of games this gen (then again Playstation always has a strong library of games at some point in each gen).

[King_Lothric]

I still remember when people like you said :

"resolution doesn't matter. Gameplay over resolution. I play games, no resolutions"

[Raiden]

@ItMatter

Nice list, but what got me lol, is the 44 DISAGREES you have received its funny to me that these people don't expect games to look and run better on the Scorpio, the X1 can't run games better than the PS4, why because it's more powerful, this is the statement of developers and gamers, now the Scorpio will be more powerful and yet you can't believe that its games will look better.
Sony has been building a library since the 360, these games where in development and the public never new about, the character in Horizon look like the same character from heavenly sword, my point none of there games started in the last 2-3 but way before, MS don't have that, not yet anyway, so Sony will remain on top until they do.

[OB1Biker]

Exactly.
I think its not even up to Sony to decide but to the developers to bring up a reason for a new gen to exist. Considering the different approach Sony have from Ms i.e. a new gen console has got to mean a new generation of games justifying it

[jznrpg]

Sony has enough studios to kick things off and can let other studios know in advance when their machine is coming out, like every other gen.

[GNCFLYER]

@it matters

I havent. But the reason for that is what happened last gen. 360 guys tore us up as long as they could. Reviewers tore us up because of extra lighting or other effect, anything small.

If you were around last gen neogaf was pro xbox everything. PS guys took a beating at every corner, truth..

But seriously, that's good MS is taking care of you guys on the hardware front. What they really need to do is secure games, put studios together, develop. They need to flood you with games.

I can say with my pro and the amount of content coming out I am a happy guy until PS5 comes out. Even if that's 4 years. At the end of PS3 life cycle I was worried there wouldn't b3 anything to play on PS4 because of everything still on PS3. That wasnt the case. Now over the last year and into the future the floodgates are really opening.

What they really need to do is flood you guys with content.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

Plus people get bored of their old consoles too, hence another reason we have generations.

@GNCFLYER

I don't even the the time and money for these games, now that Asia-English ports are becoming more common (great for the Japanese games we don't normally get localized), I just have too much choice in games to play.

[Elda]

LOL! Not much of anything remotely interesting.

[pleasuretokill]

Truthfully, they don't need to. Both the PS4 Pro and Xbox Scorpio will be fully capable machines for the next few years, console wise. I am mainly a PC gamer, but the PS4 Pro is a great performer for $399. PC gaming is not without it's hiccups and problems. If you don't want to deal with them (I'm getting rid of SLI as soon as the 1080TI comes out....) then both of these systems will provide enough base level power and a good entry price point.

[SaveFerris]

Why does the author assume that MS will bring out another console after Scorpio, and in less than 2 years? Is Phil going to be given more money to flush away?

[thexmanone]

Because Scorpio, is a Mid Gen upgrade, just like the PS4 Pro.

[stuna1]

So in other words Scorpio is overkill!?

[thexmanone]

@stuna1

When compared to the PS4 Pro, I guess you could call it a overkill. To me Its a Mid Gen upgrade done right. Not just a overclocked cpu/gpu. and put the word Pro on the end of it.

[starchild]

If Sony releases another console three or four years after the PS4 Pro why wouldn't Microsoft release their next console three or four years after Scorpio?

[DrJones]

Less than 3 years, 2017-2020 = 3 years.

[dparente74]

2020 would be fine. there is definitely 3 more years of life the ps4 has. the Scorpio while a beast compared to the ps4 OG its not that big a gap over the pro so in terms of a generational leap, it wont be there. Parity will be there between the 2. ps4 user base at almost 60 million and counting, sony will not abandon that for a new system and they would be stupid too.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

Give this man a cookie!

[Yohshida]

Just don't release it too early, we can't have a new console every 3 Years.

[starchild]

I'm good with every three years (6 years between actual games generations), but any shorter than that doesn't give us enough time to enjoy our console before something better comes along.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

I wouldn't mind say a 3 or 4 year overlap, the PS2 and PS3 got quite a bit of support until their successor cemented their position or generation over the old one.

[Kokyu]

Ps5 is already in dev. Im pretty sure Ps5 will be annouced next year and released holiday 2019. MS will have to put some pretty awesome games on display for the Scorpio before I consider buying it. If Ps5 does release in 2019 that's six years, which falls right inline with pre ps3 console cycles of sonyand past cycles for consoles of 5 to 6 years which is about the right number. In 2019 ryzen APU's will be available a bit cheaper and Ps5 should be pretty stout.

[LexHazard79]

Sony could take their time, theres no need to counter. PS4 Pro is already a very capable machine and has great exclusives. And PS5 is not to far off anyway....2019/20.

[MasterCornholio]

Well even the PS4 is a pretty capable system proven by titles such as Uncharted 4 and Horizon Zero Dawn not to mention future titles like God of War and The Last of Us 2. I'm just happy Sony didn't half ass the design of the PS4 and made it good enough to last an entire generation. Most people that I've met are satisfied with the systems capabilities.

Sony can take their time with the PS5.

[LexHazard79]

Well I have a PS4 Pro which is the only console that I can compare to what Scorpio will be like. Not worried about the base unit...

[AmUnRa]

^^^This!

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

The PS4 is a pretty satisfying console in most aspects, like I said before, they've got this gen locked down unless Microsoft or Nintendo throw a curve ball at them, and I can't see that happening at this point in time.

[Kaneki-Ken]

I think once they meet sales goal, then they start talking about PS5 but as of now, they must likely already working on the PS5. PlayStation goal is to reach PS2 sales

[DazaMc]

PS4 pro drops to £299 and PS4 slim drops to £180. That should leave Scorpio dead in the water.

[Donnie81]

I don't think Sony cares at all about Scorpio and as long as ps4s are flying off the shelves they aren't gonna be in any hurry to bring out a ps5. People forget every time you launch a new product there are risks involved. The xbox 360 was a great success and nobody guessed that before they revealed the one most peeps would hate it. I think Sony will push the pro and quality software for a few extra years and let the Scorpio do its thing. Even if the Scorpio is very successful I still see the ps4 doing very well and as long as money is coming in I don't think Sony will gamble with what they got going on right now. Money matters to these companies way more than bragging rights

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

Exactly, it's like running a marathon, last gen, Sony got off to a bad start but has a reasonable ending to that gen. Whereas Microsoft got a strong lead over Sony but ran out of steam towards the end. There's no reason for Sony to take and risks at this point, unfortunately I think Microsoft is going in the wrong direction and we don't know what's going to happen with the Switch but Nintendo needs to recover after the failure that was the WiiU.

[cd1]

That's it, Sony will be in no rush to push this gen through.

IMO MS are going for the performance crown because they have to, not much has gone in their favor this time around (purely observational - no fanboy sh!te here) but i'm not sure Sony will be that bothered, as long as this gen continues I think they can lean against exclusives and just general PS4 momentum.

[Remko12]

I hope ps5 comes with ps4 backwards compatability and not until 2021-22

[stuna1]

Sony has no reason to counter Microsoft's Scorpio for at least a minimal of 3 years!! Here's why. As far as support Sony has the majority of 2nd, 3rd, and Independent party development groups on their side when it comes to the PS4, PS4 Pro development. This has been determined by the sheer size of Sony's fanbase. No development group is going to trade a major advantage for a minor advantage; Meaning the majority of developers aren't going to shift developmental support from a actively growing and well established fanbase to a small and largely untested fanbase that has yet to be established just on potential alone.

It doesn't matter if Scorpio has superior graphics, frame rates or power! The consumer base is just not there to warrant a switch like that on just the potential. If both consoles started out the gate at the same time and Scorpio led in adoption, it would be a different story, but that's not the case. Also the PS4 still is showing growth potential and is probably only slightly past the halfway mark of it life, so while the Scorpio might be on fire out the gate sales wise, it'll take years in order for it to truly challenge the PS4 in overall cumulative sales! By then we will be on the cusp of a brand new generation.

Sony has the biggest upper hand when it comes to overall game output, not only Exclusive wise, but overall Industry support wise. The alliances that Sony formed at the start of this generation will take years for Microsoft to undo and re-establish in Microsoft favor regardless of how money Microsoft throws their way! Sony were forging alliances while the PS4 was actively being developed, this was apparent when Sony kept stating that Industry developers were taking an active role in the construction and development of the PS4.

The fact that the Xbox S has seen little increase in major game output doesn't bode well for Scorpio in general! Considering that Scorpio support is actually dependent on games on the Xbox S, since by Microsoft's own words "The Scorpio won't be receiving Exclusive games!" Or will it? Hhmmm! Is this perhaps another chink in Microsoft's (Scorpio's) armor or worse yet, the beginning of a major 180° on Microsoft's part!? That would be very ugly!

[ItMatters]

What good has PlayStation's huge fan base done ? street fighter 5 sold less than recore. Japan devs can't afford to port to Xbox, so Phil Spencer is headed to Japan to spread the cheese. Ea access is on Xbox so EA gives more support to Xbox than PlayStation. Microsoft is in the process of making game porting effortless with UWP.
Windows10/Xbox combined are a bigger fanbase than PlayStation. Games are built on beefy developer pc's.

[stuna1]

You're naming one game out of a multitude of others! Here's a recent one for you Nioh, Final Fantasy is another one and it was released on both platforms.

That's not taking into account you mentioned Recore which was exclusive to Xbox like it sold well!? You also mentioned PC's as a reasoning to why games are better because they are built on Developers so called beefy PC's. Didn't you know all consoles games are built on so called beefy PC's!? So really I don't understand that statement.

And yes you gave validity to my comment by stating UWP and Window 10 in your comment which is reasoning enough Developers won't drop support on PS4 to go with Scorpio, because it's not even reliant on it's own games, it needs PC to support it in the area that matters most! GAMES!!! Then on that same note it's reliant on PC's to boast it's own fanbase.

Truthfully it speaks to the reasoning why Developers wouldn't drop an already established fanbase for one that hasn't established itself, because PC's were already in the equation and the Scorpio is not needed to quantify that fact it already self sufficient without Scorpio! Scorpio is what need to be justified.

[Lime123]

Yea, Windows 10 fanbase in huge - Tomb Raider, a flagship Windows 10 game, sold 98% copies on steam.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...

Recore sold less than 50k in opening NPD

http://thisgengaming.com/20...

[opinionated]

I hope you don't design the ps5 logo. That is a truly awful thumbnail. A crime against design.

[Relientk77]

Sony has plenty of games, no need to 'counter' Scorpio with another console

[DialgaMarine]

They don't need to. This isn't like the 360 vs PS2. Scorpio isn't that much much more powerful than Pro, and most likely not even next gen hardware anyways. Pro is perfectly good enough to keep PS4 going until 2019.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

2020 Scorpio 2 vs PS5

[InKnight7s]

The more the time is passing nothing about scorpio, yet it asuring that scorpio is next generation console.

[yezz]

I'm really hoping that upscaling techniques get even better before the ps5 launches so games don't necessarily need to be fully native 4K to look like 4K games. It gives so much more space to put that power on other things..

[ItMatters]

Can't counter Scorpio.

[Lime123]

Halo 5 was 46. best selling game in UK (Xbox second strongest market) in 2016. You still believe it sold better than Uncharted 4? Just accept that Halo is not what was use to and today Uncharted is bigger.

http://www.gamerevolution.c...

[ItMatters]

Yeah I think Halo 5 is on more Xbox one than Uncharted 4's on ps4. That's the uk and no one has digital numbers for Halo 5 at all. I'm sure it sold nothing on digital right ? 3 months and Halo 5 hit 5 million at retail on a console with 15-20 million install base. 1 out of ever 3 Xbox owners had Halo 5. Right now 1 out of every 6 Ps4 has Uncharted 4 at 9 million including digital.

[Lime123]

I hope that Scorpio will start closing that 25+ million gap.

[Lime123]

So what are you saying is Uncharted 4 sold better and Halo 5 has better attach rate? I agree with that.

Uncharted 4 is only 10 months old, still is 40$, still needs GOTY edition to come out (unlike Halo 5 which didn't get a single GOTY award in 2015.) still needs story expansion to come out. U4 will be over 10 million (probably it already is.

[ItMatters]

I'm saying if you include digital than Halo 5 has the better attach rate and total sales.

[Lime123]

You think those 5 million from Frank isn't including digital? HAHAHAHAHAHA

http://www.mcvuk.com/_media...

Halo 5 - the worst rated, the worst selling mainline Halo game EVER

[Phill-Spencer]

We already had a similar situation in past. The og xbox was way more powerful than ps2 and what did it matter? Xbox only sold 25 million units. But the difference was that og xbox, unlike scorpio, had a good lineup of games that couldn't be played on other devices. With scorpio most of the games probably can be played on x1 or pc which gives no reason to buy it if you are not a hardcore xbox fan with a need for more power. So i believe scorpio will sell even less units than xbox1.

[gangsta_red]

It'll be interesting to see what these new consoles will bring for the future in terms of design and features as well as improved graphics.

[Godmars290]

Nothing. They will bring nothing new in terms of design or features because the only reason they're being made is graphics.

Worse, depending on the dev, they wont even be improved graphics. It will be all some can do to keep clipping and other issues down to a minimum.

[gangsta_red]

Well gee, you just ruined my Saturday night.

[gangsta_red]

I definitely agree with you.

That has been one of my biggest complaints with this gen so far. How we have had nothing new in terms of design or gameplay. It all feels like last gen just with a tad shinier coat of paint.

[Godmars290]

Ever since the introduction of HD we've only seen a reduction of features gameplay and game types, and I don't see things getting any better chasing after 4k. Not when an even higher resolution is already being talked about, much less that many devs still struggle with 1080p.

[YEP414]

If I'm a Sony fan which I'm not i would be pissed if Sony comes out with a new system in 2019 2021 2022

[Razuel]

a console refresh every 3 years, wonder where he got that idea.

[AmUnRa]

Let me tell you something moldy, mark cerny urns respect for what he has done for the hardware for the PS4 and the PS4pro.
This man has more brains in one finger than you in your whole body. You have no right to insult him, he is far more intelligent than you ever will be.
The rest of your stupid rant is just Moldy at it again with non arguments. Are you so blind?
Alot of people no who and what you are, give it up, with every post you make your self a fool. Hence all the downvotes you get. And you know al the downvotes are spot on.

[WePlayDirty]

I would be happy with PS5 coming out either Holiday 2020 or 2021.

[The7Reaper]

Ps4 still seems brand new even though its a little over 3 years old (Ive had the same one I got on my birthday in Feb. 2014 and Ive never cracked it open to clean the fan not once)

[Godmars290]

Is Sony actually talking about a PS5, or is this just speculation?

[shayureppa]

Who are these analyst lol. They getting dumber by the days.
Sony at any time can just drop PS5 and put these stupid articles to rest about PS5 release date. It's like these analyst work undercover or something lol

[Hendog1981]

I'm thinking it would be an easy job being an analyst. Study up on trends within the industry make a few guesses and don't worry about if you are wrong or not.

[BIGBOSS08]

Lol sony don't need to counter Microsoft. That's like saying the apple iPhone needs to counter the microsoft lumia. The playstation is way way ahead of xbox and it's gonna take a lot more than just new hardware to change anything.

[DJ]

I can wait until 2025. Games on PS4/XBO look fine. What's the point of upgrading the hardware any further past Scorpio/Pro?

[TheRacingX]

Who pays this guy $50 a year to listen to him ???? What a racket...... I need to get in on this

[rezzah]

I think Sony can manage to wait for 2021 to release the PS5. The strength of the PS4 seems like it can carry on for many more years.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

There's another revision of the PS4 coming before the end of it's hardware cycle.

If console makers can overcome some major hurdles, the PlayStation brand will evolve into a Netflix style gaming service with not console at all.

[windblowsagain]

PS5 = Uses 1.21 gigawatts

Has to be strapped down.

[bulldog2016]

I'l be very surprised if it gets released in 2019, i'm sure the scorpio altho more powerfull than the Ps4 pro,there won't be much difference in games,maybe something similar in power difference between the xbox one and standard ps4.
2020 sounds about right,my guess is around the 12-15tf mark.
Heres the twist tho,microsoft have always stated they wont let sony release a new gerneration console before theres,now im calling it that both next gen machines will be released in 2020 with poss vr bundled in.

[NickAwesome]

Ι want late 2019 so everyone who has the ps4 pro will feel bad, mouhahahahaha evil laugh

[NextGenCeo]

If Scorpio starts dominate the market PS5 not gone wait until 2019 November. It will be available 2018 November. If it Scorpio sell decent PS5 will come 2019 November. except PS3! Every single Playstation console came with 6 years cycle. Only Playstation 4 came in 7 years cycle. So with this road map before 2019 November Playstation 5 not gone be on market but! Scorpio start dominate the market more than expected then PS5 goes with 5 years cycle and come around 2018 November or beginning 2019. This is all about market share and Strategy guys. Think like Chess game.
Playstation 1994
Playstation2 2000
Playstation3 2006
Playstation4 2013
(ESL guy here so sorry for English)

[King_Lothric]

Sony doesn't need to counter Scorpio. They are dominating the market. Scorpio will surely make Microsoft win some NDP but the rest of the worldwide market belongs to Playstation.