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Time Is Not PlayStation 4 Pro’s Secret Weapon Against the Stronger Xbox Scorpio

Thekingslayer.com's senior editor " Make no mistake the Playstation 4 Pro is an upgrade over the Playstation 4. Yes, marginal, but the console is really meant for new Playstation 4 customers. It's an ecosystem upgrade that doesn't give it time nor marketing potential to stop the stronger Xbox Scorpio. With Microsoft's release and success of Xbox One S, Play Anywhere, and slow 4K adoption. The Playstation 4 is a year too early, and too underpowered for what the Xbox Scorpio is intended to deliver as a true next gen upgrade to the Xbox One ecosystem. Time is not the Playstation 4 Pro's secret weapon. Time is its achilles heel.

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NotEvenMyFinalForm2797d ago

In a full year millions of consoles can be sold and there's price reduction too. And if the difference between PS4 and Pro is only "marginal" then imagine the difference between Pro and Scorpio which is even less... There is no amount of marketing that will make Scorpio sell better over a less than marginal edge on performance at the cost of a potentially higher price tag.

I think this was a very poorly thought blog entry.

SmielmaN2795d ago

I agree. Not a great presentation of opinion but it's theirs nonetheless.

The problem hindering the Xbox is games. Quality and variety is arguably found more so on a PlayStation. Until MS stops timed exclusive money hats and starts funding new ips that have the same impact as halo/gears/forza then they will lose ground. Nintendo milks it's franchises and as a result they adjusted their expections on console sales. The wii was the exception for them. If MS is fine with a certain market share that they know they will only have to fund a few games a year for then so be it. But if they are intent on owning the living room as they have mentioned in the past then they need to focus on games. Not f2p, not cable box features, not a useless Kinect. Games.

This is why they are second place in the market. Well that and they sold a lower spec product for more than its chief rivals product. They are trying to fix that now (3 years in) and have moved to the next gen with its 2017 Scorpio target. Instead of fixing the issue they are just going to upgrade the box. Same issue will still remain as we have seen ZERO gameplay examples or even cgi trailers for this Scorpio system that drops in a years time. That tells me this was another knee jerk reaction. Not even a picture of the box, or a game that uses its capabilities. MS is kinda lost right now with regards to Xbox.

bouzebbal2795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

typical American mentality, power is everything..
Xbox original vs ps2 is the best proof they might get it wrong..
Ps4 is smashing records, a more powerful one is on the way with better performance of upcoming games.. It will be alone with no competition for over a year..
Don't know what people call this

It's the appeal to the audience, the games, the price...

AngelicIceDiamond2795d ago

"Until MS stops timed exclusive money hats" I'm pretty sure MS and Sony need to ease up on that its definitely not just one doing it this gen and thats absolute facts.

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kaizokuspy2795d ago

Agreed, I'm only not purchasing xbox bc I need more of a commitment to games

sonic9892795d ago

exactly .
this author proved why every person cant be a CEO and make millions .
power what you will do with power play 3rd party games or play recore .
honestly i would still be playing on my PS2 if they still were releasing great unique games on it .
when the ps3 outsold the xbox 360 worldwide with one year advantage and a cheaper price it wasnt because of power it was because of games .
same for the ps2 .
the ps4 is just hitting the sweet spot for me this year with gravity rush 2 the tomorrow children the last guardian and sonic mania, i dont see the xbox as a threat to playstation at all maybe some headache in america because that market is price focused but look out side of that ONE country playstation is huge .
now this gen they have the price advantage so xbox has zero chance .

SmielmaN2795d ago

A.I.D.

The money hat comment is in reference to MS's work with tomb raider and Titan fall. Less of those and more investment in original and unique IP's.

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TheBrit2795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

The fact that iit has a 4k blu ray player will be enough ammo to have people buy one - a 4k player, 4k games machine, media hub etc all in one package - why wouldn't you buy one.

CPTN MITCHELL2795d ago

Because I'm not paying 45 for a 4k bluray movie when i can watch any movie new or old on the internet and because i know is not a powerful console

XStation4pio_Pro2795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

the pro is basically a little more than twice the power of the ps4. Scorpio is 3.3 times more powerful than ps4. the power difference between the ps4 and xb1 is marginal at .48 tflops.

I disagree with the author that twice the power is marginal between ps4 and ps4 pro. I disagree with you that scorpio is marginally more powerful than ps4 pro. theres more than a full ps4 more power in scorpio than in the ps4 pro. that isn't marginal at all.

so if people think that the ps4's 0.48 tflops is a huge advantage over xb1, then surely scorpios 1.8 tflop advantage over a ps4 pro is a significant advantage (a whole other ps4 gpu of power). of course power isn't everything, but it does extend your creative abilities as a developer and get graphics and frame rates upgraded.

BossBattle2795d ago

Your math is off. You're just throwing out random numbers.

Unspoken2795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

The problem with the PS4 Pro is there really are very few titles that take advantage of the extra power, and out of those that will, most people have already played. Sure a small set of Sony hardcore will sell or trade in their old console for the shiney newer one and may replay those older titles, but the PS4 Pro will mainly appeal to new customers until consumer's see a legitimate reason to trade up.

Sony should have had at least a game or two that fully took advantage of the power of the Pro in order to help the transition. But with the lack of games and the lack of 4K UHD, I know many will down play the importance of this, will prevent the new console on the block from the stellar sales most of you are hoping for. The inclusion of a 4K blu ray alone would have been legitimate enough because of the lack of Pro "enhanced" games as a place holder to tide us over while we wait for more content. It's just one less reason to buy a 4K TV and one less reason to pick up a PS4P, unfortunately.

In the mean time while I wait for Scorpio I can still play MS games up to 4K through the Windows Store, and watch 4K movies with the XB1S. I have enough of a backlog of games to tide me over until the next holiday season. You can downplay Forza, Gears, and Halo all you want but each of those has had longevity due to a strong support of great multiplayer. Killer Instinct is and has always been a phenomenal fighter. Ori and the Blind Forest, QB and Recore, while hated on by Sony fans, are still good games for their genre and many more to come; Sea of Thieves, Halo Wars 2, Scalebound, State of Decay 2, Cup Head, We Happy Few, Crackdown 3, Phantom Dust, just to name a few.

Once more titles are out and if 4K UHD playback is ever added to PS4P then maybe. I can get the same experience if not better on Xbox or PC through other games. They need more than Uncharted. Until then I'll wait for E3

XXanderXX2795d ago

Just curious isn't this what is powering PS4 sale compared to Xbox one sales

(There is no amount of marketing that will make Scorpio sell better over a less than marginal edge on performance)

S2Killinit2795d ago

@notevenmyfinalform
Spot on. The fact is, scorpio's power is even more "marginal". Not to mention how it will be at least $450-$500.

Most people would go where the games are.

Mystogan2795d ago

Lol, the difference between PS4 Pro and Scorpio is 2 TFflops. The difference between PS4 and Xbox One was 0.3 xD, f**k you mean "marginal"?

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ApocalypseShadow2797d ago

Do you actually believe what you just typed? Time is definitely on Sony's side. But let's step back a minute and see the failures before I respond.

Microsoft's quest for the most powerful system has NEVER won them a console race. Xbox was more powerful than PS2. And it meant absolutely nothing.I enjoy it though.Nfl2k,ninja gaiden,otogi,crimson skies,spiderman,outrun, etc, etc look and play great. But Sony still won.

Wii was the less powerful system and Nintendo dominated Xbox 360 and PS3 for awhile. Had nothing to do with power. But between Sony and Microsoft, it was launching early and sales leading to 360 being lead for platform development.

PS4 is dominating because it was just well made and didn't repeat PS3 mistakes. It just happens that the system is more powerful. Second, Sony built a worldwide set of studios. Something Microsoft still hasn't done and thinks throwing money at third parties is the solution. Sony's solution was "if you need something done, do it yourself." And Sony's first parties deliver.

We have seen secret chip rumors for 3x the power fail, esram fail,kinect power release fail,DX 12 fail, cloud power fail. All we keep hearing is power, power, power. But we don't hear about new IPs,new studios to create new IPs. If Microsoft spent as much money on new studios as they spend on the Forza teams, then there would be an actual competition between in house studios. But bungie and epic aren't there. And it shows. When you look at Sony's list of games, there's just no comparison.

Even if they say there will be no compromises, there WILL be COMPROMISES. it's a closed environment. That makes it compromised to fit cost, size and heat into the equation. Also, it has to sell worldwide. Something Microsoft is struggling to do against PlayStation. And whatever VR games you think you will get, they will come to PlayStation just as they are now. Because Sony has sold millions of systems. That makes it lead platform by default. Sony didn't launch VR without developing it and testing it for a year on the public. They already know the pitfalls. And it means the PC VR ports will look that much better. Giving developers reason to continue making PS4 VR games because of Pro.

You think power is Microsoft's weapon when time and time again, they never won a trophy.. Oops.. Achievement. While Sony's weapon has always been games. And it looks like they are about to win a 3RD trophy
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Rimeskeem2796d ago

He probably does, you on the other hand have a problem.

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DeadlyOreo2795d ago

Yeah. I think Sandwich should apologise.

Apologise and you have to mean it.

MasterCornholio2795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

You need to be more respectful with other N4G members (unless it's a moderator sanctioned punching bag).

You should apologize.

@Kel

That wasn't appropriate either.

"Guys like these you have to fight fire with fire."

Just let a mod know that they are causing trouble then. You really don't want to get banned just because of someone going a little crazy with their comments.

Keltech2795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

Epic first deal with your own addictions.

Lay of the crack, acid, cocaine, anti-depresants, codeine, bath salt, synthetic weed, opium. Oh! And stop huffing spray paint (especially the green ones)

Keltech2795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

Master I will apologize to you. I will not apologize to someone like epic. Guys like these you have to fight fire with fire. He's someone that is stuck in he's ways, he's not rational and he will continue trolling.

Again, Mastercornholio my bad. Epic lay off the hard drugs.

nix2795d ago

Epic,

and that was your repartee?

Skillz12152795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

@epicsandwich lay off the cold cuts

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mkis0072795d ago

Can't understand why so many people are talking up power for what is not a new generation of consoles. All these games can't take full advantage people...

PhoenixUp2797d ago

Time sure isn't on the Scorpio's side.

By the time it launches, the gap with the PS4 will be far bigger than it is now

EpicSandwich2797d ago

It has no weapons. Scorpio layed the smackdown on not only the ps4 but any console previously made.

superchiller2796d ago

Except the Scorpio doesn't even exist yet, so your statement is meaningless.

stuna12795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

To them the dream is real! But like in the movie "Dreamscape", dreams can turn into nightmares real quick.

Microsoft has done the exact same thing with Scorpio that they did with the original Xbox 1!? Announced a console with no console or no substance.

Microsoft doesn't even have specs finalized for Scorpio which is in all case and point a plan of action! But not based on reality, because it hasn't happened yet. Some are going to argue the semantics of that statement but it's true. The same applies to the NX. At this point in time unrevealed specs amount to rumors and could also be classified as rumors even when companies give specifications for projects, but don't show the hardware to back it up.

Not only that the Scorpio is reported to be powered by chips that aren't even due to release until the first half of next year, so how is Scorpio real? Sure you can try to use current tech that can mimic the final product of what you wish to achieve overall with Scorpio, but that doesn't change the fact of Scorpio not being an unfinished product.

Why do people think Nintendo fans are in such a uproar over the NX? Because they know close to absolutely nothing about i! Most is just conjecture and rumors, although Nintendo has announced it's coming, they haven't shown it or, even said how powerful it will potentially be. That's the difference between Scorpio and the NX

Don't get me wrong dreams come true! But as a serious question, how many dreams that do come true actually turn out the way you dreamed them???

@ShowanW
Do you realize what finalized specification means? It sure doesn't mean waiting on anything! Prime example the PS3 specification couldn't be finalized over something as small as a Blu Ray player diode, which set the release of the PS3 for as much as 16 months in parts of the world.

Kokyu2795d ago

Come up with a better line dude this is the only comment you post on these stories.

ShowanW2795d ago

@Stuna1 "MS doesn't have spec finalized" ....

lol... they do have spec.. phil spencer made that clear... he decided to wait on mass production of a new SoC.

Skankinruby2795d ago

Take your own advice and 'lay off the meth' kid. Just wait for your next halo, I'm sure it's coming soon

EpicSandwich2795d ago

I have other games to play you know? I'm not always waiting for greatness to happen one day

SpaceRanger2795d ago

Scorpio layed the smackdown on what? Hype videos of something that doesn't exist yet? Lol

Remind me what else is on MS' list of promises. I can only remember cloud, dx12, esram...

Skillz12152795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

Bu, Bu, Bu, DX12 is compatible with Xbox One and make it 3 times more powerful, the Cloud is going to change gaming and once ESRAM get's unlocked the full potential of the Xbox shall be unlocked...Wonderful fairy tale. MS damaged the term damage control for good

TKCMuzzer2795d ago

Oh dear, you are failing so much with your comments it's untrue.
You need software to sell a console, if you buy a console because of power they you are a deluded sheep.

Roronoa04112795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

lmao every console that comes out after the next one does that then… I guess PS4 was doing that to every console for the past 3 years and will continue into next year.

stuna12795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

I guess he doesn't agree? But I'm seriously scratching my head trying to figure out what console will be releasing between now and next year that's going to be more powerful than the Pro!? Even though the NX is releasing next year sometime, I personally don't think it will be as powerful as the Pro? There's a strong possibility of it being on par with the original Xbox 1 and possibly as powerful as the PS4 vanilla, but that's about it!

Just so it's obvious of course I realize Scorpio is due to release next year, this is me clarifying things, because sad to say there will be that one person that doesn't get it, there always is.

Skillz12152795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

lol it laid the smack-down? lol how is that possible when it's still a "cloud" of a system? It's more of a vision then a actual console. Have fun waiting almost a year and a half while the PS4 PRO annihilates the Xbox one even worse then the OG PS4 in terms of performance,sales and exclusives.

Ahhh exclusives something you can never say..

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Section82796d ago

The ps3-xbox 360 would beg to differ. Also when ps4 launched before xone.

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gold_drake5h ago

i mean its pretty simple, they spent close to 30 billion in acquiring activision, they thought they'd make it bk no problem, and that didnt happen.

its just shit that because of MS's miscalculation alot of people lost their jobs.

Jingsing1h ago

This is exactly what many people said would happen including the CMA and FTC. Lies lies and more lies and they allowed a $69 billion buy out to happen.

gold_drake1h ago

oh yeh it was 70 billion. that was my bad haha even worse.

thesoftware7301h ago(Edited 1h ago)

gold,

You can't be serious, right?

Do you think that MS thought they would make 80bill in a year & Half? They haven't even released titles under MS yet, lol.

But in fact, that A/B revenue is already paying off, look at the last earnings call. That $80 billion is long-term money, my guy, no sane person/company would think they would make that back in any short-term situation, it's a long-term investment.

Let's play silly then. If MS's reason for laying off staff and closing studios was due(which it really was not) to the A/B deal, tell me what Sony's reason was for past studio closures, the recent 900-person layoffs, closing Sony London, shutting down Dreams, and closing Japan Studio? Zipper? Psygnosis? cuts at all their internal studios.

Keep in mind, you are claiming MS's reason is because of the A/B deal; please explain Sony's reason.

Hofstaderman1h ago

You actually still defending them? Sheesh.....

gold_drake1h ago

this is not a sony vs MS debate. dont make it something it isnt.

and of course not, but im pretty sure they thought they'd make more money after the deal. they didnt, and closed off some studios.

its pretty insane to think there is any other reason for the closure of studios in this case.

romulus231h ago(Edited 1h ago)

(It really was) due to the Activision Blizzard deal and the loss of physical sales due to gamepass. You keep bringing up Sony in all your posts about this, stop deflecting and trying to change the topic, this is about MS and what they are doing.

BehindTheRows41m ago

Has nothing to do with Sony. Stay on topic.

notachance28m ago

once in a while you see someone too invested in their make-believe console war that everything happened has to be connected to said war…

a bit of banter between fans is normal, this crusade you’re doing now isn’t.

Chevalier8m ago

Wow idiotic. You bring up very old closures not that there haven't been recent ones from Playstations, but, seriously stop deflecting. This has NOTHING to do with Playstation.

Does Playstation got $3 trillion behind them and daddies wallet? No they don't so stop making a fool of yourself.

Xbox has never been profitable really and they just keep losing money so between their worst hardware sales, terrible 3rd party sales and now terrible 1st party sales.

Gamepass numbers that are no longer being announced shows their numbers after 3 years of missed targets has flatlined. Plus their recent gains up to 34 million were ONLY because they folded Gold members in too. Absolutely take your idiotic rhetoric out of here. Keep on topic without deflecting.

S2Killinit5m ago

Ayayayay with these xbox/MS excuses.

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anast1h ago

They are going to use AI for a large portion of the game development process. Upper management need bonuses and the shareholders need more money. So, people will lose their jobs.

Skuletor1h ago

Maybe they were already using AI to make business decisions, which would explain why they closed Hi-Fi Rush's studio, then said they need more games like Hi-Fi Rush not long after that announcement.

Crows9052m ago(Edited 52m ago)

They shouldn't have bought any studios. Some is okay...but they went on a shopping spree...stupid

Einhander197219m ago

The better question is why did Microsoft buy publishers for a service they were subsidizing they knew couldn't support.

And why are so many websites trying to make people feel sorry for Microsoft instead of truly criticizing the fact they are closing studios and killing jobs that would have been fine if Microsoft themselves hadn't gotten involved.

Quit feeling sorry for Microsoft and start feeling sorry for the industry and the all the gamers who are actually losing out.

THIS IS MICROSOFTS FAULT.

RNTody18m ago

The first thing that happens after any major acquisition or merger is a consolidation of the whole new portfolio, which includes cutting any excess, bloat or portfolios that don't fit the larger MO of the big boy. So far, it's been par for the course with Microsoft and that's why gamers have been so against this acquisition. Tango Gameworks is the beginning. You think Microsoft wants to pay to keep small timers like Ninja Theory in business?

There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest that Microsoft will improve any of these studios, but plenty to suggest that they will get rid of what they don't need and hold onto the IP. The real agenda of the acquisition was always to acquire The Elder Scrolls, Diablo, Fallout, Call of Duty, Candy Crush etc. that will create millions in passive revenue stream for Microsoft regardless of where the games release. Microsoft simply wants their cut.

Because of Games Pass Microsoft has no interest in investing in new IP which is risky and requires creative talent they can neither nurture nor manage. Game Pass has also not grown in the way Microsoft expected it to, even post acquisitions. Therefore the logical thing to do, without serious money makers to release, is to cut as much cost as possible.

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