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Final Fantasy 15: Yebis 2 “Only” Used in E3 Trailer, Further Usage Uncertain

A while ago, we covered how Square Enix’s Final Fantasy 15 would be using Silicon Studio’s Yebis 2 engine. This was based off a listing that appeared on the middleware developer’s site which listed FF15 and having been used for the E3 2013 trailer. According to Silicon Studio on the page, “Beautiful natural light is represented as real-time computer generated effects by utilizing the optical effects of Yebis 2.”

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Godmars2904026d ago

So basically, despite the two in-house graphic engines Square has made from scratch, they used yet another one from a 3rd party to make the latest demo, with all the involved work so much trashed and thrown away? Discarded at cost?

This is why Square is screwed. This is the first version of FF14 all over again.

DragonKnight4026d ago

Which begs the question of if they're just using middleware anyway, then the excuse of them using their new engine to redo Versus XIII into FFXV becomes highly suspect no?

Criti-Choco4026d ago (Edited 4026d ago )

the middleware is not the engine, people need to understand this. It is post processing effects added on top. if you checked their promo video you would understand it better perhaps. The agnis prophecy demo which was shown a while back was also using this middle ware, but it is infact running on the proprietary engine that square developped and is using for FFXV (and a modified version for XIV)

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"This is why Square is screwed. This is the first version of FF14 all over again."

Not even close, Square enix was using the Crystal engine (FFXIII and XIV1.0) prior to the luminous engine (XV). Both are in house, and the crystal engine had problems of not conforming to memory constraints outputting large sized textures on the unoptimized engine that didnt work well with the hardware at the time.

A post processing effect engine has nothing to do with the issues the crystal engine had.

DragonKnight4026d ago

I never said it was the engine. I'm pointing out that Square-Enix didn't even use their own engine, something they've bragged about and used as a reason for why FFXV exists, for the games own trailer. What else are they not telling us? Why couldn't they use their own engine if it's supposed to be so epic for lighting?

Criti-Choco4026d ago

its not uncommon for game developers to use other engines to enhance visuals. Look at physx in some games for example its the same idea.

Is this something that needs to be told? it is middle ware that is embedded into their luminous engine, theres no downside to it. Their engine is still incredible tech capable of large scale rendering unlike anything we have currently.

Godmars2904026d ago

@Criti-Choco:
Any technical aspects aside, we're still talking about something which was promised long ago with any ability to deliver it brought into high question.

Some people might and likely will be satisfied that it has the FF name slapped on it and looks nice, but others are past sick and tired or seeing story and character development being sacrificed.

Criti-Choco4026d ago

@godmars

wait, what? What does anything in this discussion have to do with sacrificing character development. Final Fantasy games will do what they have done for years. They will look nice, tell a nice story and be fun for most.

This is their biggest single player endeavor to date you cant just assume they are sacrificing anything.

Godmars2904026d ago

@Criti-Choco:
If Square were still capable of telling an interest, competent story with a semblance of decent gameplay, do you think "discussions" such as this would even exist? FF13 wouldn't be as divisive, FF12 dismissed, or FF10-2 as the eff all it was.

Part of that reason is that they began focusing more on presentation, on graphics, another being lost up their own @$$, the reputation established and now exploited from when they were Squaresoft, and yet one more from an inability to wrap their head around the 7th console gen. Find a balance for managing resources.

Its not really about sacrifice at this point, because that ship sailed long ago.

I mean you might be one of the few to have considered FF13 to have defined and expressed character growth, but then you likely also count 13-2 and 13-3 as legitimate examples which wholly misses the point.

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Inception4026d ago

Agreed with Godmars

The reason why SE so f*ked up this past years is because they spend too much time to created engine from the scratch, use it only for a couple of games, and never sell the license to other company.

I mean, they created Crystal Tools only to used it for FF 13 trilogy, FF 14, Dragon Quest X, and Versus (got scrapped) than they just...dumped the engine on the trash cans. They not even let Cavia / Access Games to borrow it for Nier or Drakengard 3!

They also show the new Luminous engine from that cool Agni's Philoshopy tech demo and said FF XV will use the engine instead of Crystal Tools. But now we got this news and a couple of rumour said SE will use UE 4 too.

No wonder FF XV on limbo for this pas eight years, because they spend too much time on changing the engines.

TheOtherVitaOwner4026d ago

Pretty sure Eidoes used that engine for quite a few of their games last gen, so it got a fair bit of use.

Inception4026d ago

No that's Crystal Engine, not Crystal Tools. It's different.

sonypsnow4025d ago

Yebis 2 is a "lighting engine" very similar to Illuminate Labs' "Lighting engine" "Beast" which was use alongside Unreal Engine 3 "game engine".

Square is screwed? For Nearly 4 years you have tried to bury Square, with no success. Probably, as long as Godmars290 keeps insulting Square they'll stay alive making more games. XD

Godmars2904025d ago

Games not worth playing but defending apparently.

sonypsnow4025d ago

keep 'em comin, probably next Square would announce Final Fantasy XV would use DirectX 12, Tiled Resources, ESRAM, and would be released on Playstation Now earlier than the PS4 version. XD

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MrSwankSinatra4026d ago

so let me get this straight basically this is implying that everything shown of FFXV isn't even set in stone? Square what in the hell are you doing????

Adrian_v014026d ago

"This is a work in progress.
The final product may be subject to change."

The trailer starts with this. Why so surprised?

Godmars2904026d ago

If you look at the two different "leaked" trailers you can clearly see differences in gameplay.

When you can identify gameplay that is.

@blackbirdi:
Originally, over eight years ago, the game was "PS3-only". Anything which happens to release will only be an upgrade from that.

Wont have been worth the wait, the all too many "Please be Excited", but at the very least it will look better than originally promised.

mydyingparadiselost4026d ago

I don't trust trailers anymore, not footage of games years off, or pretty much anything that isn't gameplay running on the console. This industry is lying itself to mediocrity and I'm not falling for it anymore. Actual gameplay or STFU.

DEATHxTHExKIDx4026d ago

What does this mean? educate me. Tell me FFXV is next year

NovusTerminus4026d ago

YEBIS 2 is a post processing engine. Meaning it only helped with cinematic effects and some post processing AA. Likely because the Luminous was not 100% done.

It is still possible to have the game out next year. If that was ever the plan.

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Six Times When Games Turned Into A Horror Game

Ever play a game a game only to discover at some point it transforms into a horror game? No? Well Netto's Game Room shares six games that do just that!

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P_Bomb54d ago

Immediately thought of the El Dorado zombie dudes in Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune.

raWfodog54d ago (Edited 54d ago )

Not necessarily a ‘horror’ moment, but I remember feeling really tense and anxious when the Flood were first introduced in the original Halo. I never felt more on edge or nervous in that whole game as that moment. I think it was the whole buildup that something terrible was coming but you didn’t know exactly what.

Another non-horror game that had me feeling it was Subnautica. The deep dark depths, and knowing that sea monsters were lurking nearby, had me jumping at every sound.

NettosGameRoom53d ago

That scene where you first see them attack is pretty crazy!

Relientk7753d ago

I remember being scared of the Asylum level in the most recent Thief game from 2014.

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Final Fantasy XV Datamine Reveals Hidden Chapter 14 Scene That Was Cut

A new datamine of game files from Final Fantasy XV has revealed a cut scene from Chapter 14 that didn't make it into the final release.

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gold_drake189d ago

always liked 15, but the development was shch a shitshow. it could have been so much more.

but Tabata did a good job with what he had regardless

DivineHand125188d ago

Ff15 was a missed opportunity from square as they transitioned from turn based to real time.

One of the issues is that it was 30 fps. The combat mechanics required precision dodges to activate Noctis teleport ability and it was difficult to do at 30 fps. I am glad they rectified that in FF16. The story and flow also felt like it went through a chopshop similar to how some live service games end up when they are trying to meet a deadline. Those extra episodes they sold as dlc should have been in the maingame.

FF15 is one of the weaker entries in the series.

Z501187d ago

Dodges don't activate the teleport ability. Teleport was R1 + O. Dodge was just the O button. Explain the Black Hood (the item that automatically Dodges for you)

TheNamelessOne188d ago

Ah yes; FF XV.
The beginning of me coming to the realization the series was no longer for me.

Michiel1989188d ago

16 was a lot better, I think 15 was just a big mess with how development went and all. The music though, one of the best in the series, probably the only reason I finished the game.

Cacabunga188d ago

At least FF15 had RPG elements . 16 was just an action game from beginning to end.

Michiel1989188d ago

I rather have a good action game than a bad rpg with 2 button combat

Cacabunga187d ago (Edited 187d ago )

Then call it something else then FF. I got scammed with FF16. Nothing of what i expected it to be.
Even the action is bad in it, especially after the demo section where absolutely nothing happens until the very end.

FF15 isnt a great game but it has some variety at least.

CrimsonWing69188d ago

That initial trailer with the Leviathan fight was the game I wish we got. The actual retail release was watchdogged to all Hell and while there’s enjoyment to be had in the game, it’s such an incomplete product and so many elements feel so slapped together without any cohesion.

Like, don’t get me wrong, I loved fishing, cooking, and the first third of the game, but I much rather they made a story that didn’t feel barely there and the the last third of the game didn’t feel so rushed and unfinished.

Becuzisaid187d ago

Every time a party member left for a period of time screamed future paid dlc. It was horrible.

Imagine Dagger and Steiner making the party go to sleep in Lindblum in FF9 disc 1 and then taking off to Alexandria by foot themselves, but then never playing their side of the adventure in disc 2 when they smuggle her through the South Gate in pickles, take the cable car and fight the Waltz, head to Treno and start the quest to find Supersoft. They just eventually reunite with the main party in the future without explanation of what went on in their adventure.

Or Sephiroth's backstory in the famous Kalm flashback being added as a dlc pack. Same goes for Vincent, Cid, or Yuffie for that matter.

Oh and anything to do with Jenova, the Ancients, Aerith, her mom and Gast, shoved into a 2 hour CG movie or 5 hour anime ministries that's considered required viewing for anything in the main game to make sense or have characters actually be interesting.

I enjoyed FF15 at the time, and finished it, but it's bright spots are marred by a bad development cycle and a worse marketing scheme.

CrimsonWing69187d ago

What’s sad is when I watched a vid on the entire story (that wasn’t properly told in the actual game)!it was really solid and could’ve been one of the most epic stories in any FF. I think a lot of the compilation and cross-media stuff really f*cked it all up.

gurp188d ago

FFXV was underrated in my opinion
I have played all of the final fantasy games, and I loved this game
turn based to me takes too long, I like active battle
the extra dlc and chapters should have been included in the original release, but it is nice that they fixed the game later

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Here Are The Games Leaving PS Plus Extra & Premium In May 2024

Here are the games that will be leaving the Extra and Premium tiers of the PS Plus subscription service in the month of May, 2024.

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gold_drake440d ago

crazy, glad i own the ones i wanted to revisit and play

ChasterMies440d ago

Absolver Downfall
Abzu
Adrift
Ashen
Elex
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII Remastered
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy X | X-2
Final Fantasy XII The Zodiac Age
Final Fantasy XV Royal Edition
How To Survive 2
I Am Dead
Jotun
Last Stop
Minit
Moster Jam Steel Titans 2
My Friend Pedro
Observation
Sundered Eldritch Edition
The Artful Escape
The Messenger
This Is The Police
This Is The Police 2
World of Final Fantasy

Asterphoenix440d ago

Glad that I absolutely can't stand subscription services.

Petebloodyonion440d ago (Edited 440d ago )

I don't recall Sony forcing you to subscribe like nobody forced you to go to Blockbuster to rent games instead of buying them.

SonyStyled440d ago

Pay-per-view was almost cheaper than the cost of gas and rental fee from Blockbuster. Blockbuster doesn’t exist today. Are you being sarcastic?