Team ICE PS4 Performance Boost Will Focus on GPGPU Rendering, Won't Be Announced at E3 2014: Insider

Industry Insider Thuway has shared some new details on Team ICE performance boost for Playstation 4

[Mikelarry]

I read the article and i am ashamed to say this or ask but how will this benefit me or improve my gaming. This is genuine question as all this talk of ps4 delta magnifying over the xbox one ????? does not really compute. Thanks in advance

[US8F]

I also want to know what all that really means to gaming.

[NewMonday]

As for 3rd party games, the funny thing PS4 is getting exclusives for free like DBZ and Samurai Warriors, Sony don't have to pay for them and just fund 1st party studios

[Volkama]

Simply put, the PS4 was built with quite a bit of GPU Compute power. Which is to say the GPU can perform some computational tasks that would otherwise be handled by the CPU. It hasn't really been tapped yet, but Sony's ICE team are developing better tools to leverage it.

GPU Compute is usually used for particle effects and/or some quite specific physics simulation (cloth and hair and such), but now that the consoles are embracing it the uses should expand. It's the most interesting part of the PS4 archetecture imo, and also their biggest gamble.

[Mikelarry]

Plus help ful bubbles. thanks

[Charybdis]

Think thuway is saying that because the ps4 has better gpu improvements made on gpu will benefit the ps4 more because it has a better gpu.

Not sure but it doesn't seem that possible dx12 improvements are believed or compared with the ice team gpgpu rendering by thuway improvements.

previous article on same subject: http://n4g.com/news/1512050...

[Blasphemy]

unlimmmmmted powwwer!!!

[hellzsupernova]

Good news for ps4 owners

[Jojo0903]

I live in the us in florida I have a ps4 , 360 ,xb1,and pc, xb live and steam tags are boots2asses0903 ,ps4 is boots2aces0903. I'm not positive if that's the steam account but I'm pretty sure it is.

[XiSasukeUchiha]

Great news for PS4 owners!

[XiNarutoUzumaki]

PS4 will boost its power like I boost mine when I activate the Nine Tails mode.

Unbeatable!

[NewMonday]

Technically you only have half the power of a proper 9 tails since you're dad had the the other half

:P

[Walker]

Really cannot wait to see uncharted 4 gameplay in action ! that would be wonderfull!

[bobbyab]

EVEN MORE POWER MAD

[GribbleGrunger]

It's not really more power, that's hardware locked. Think of it as more efficient use of the power ... unless they upclock the CPU and GPU. That's not out of the question. Then it WOULD be more power.

[Nekroo91]

efficiency= more power to work with = "MORE POWER"

[Volkama]

Increasing the available resource and using the resource you have more efficiently have the same end result. You could call that result "more power". Or "MORE POWER!" if that's your style.

[No_Limit]

This is from Thuway...I'll leave it at that.

[GW212]

http://www.psu.com/a023342/...

Tidux has been pretty decent with his leaks and he's on board too. Oh and there's also a tweet directly from Team ICE senior programmer Cort Stratton.

You didn't really think that MS would have DX12 and Sony would have nothing, did you?

"I'll leave it at that."

[GodGinrai]

looking forward to it...now..wheres my shadow of the beast, update...aint seen that game since last E3...hoping they use, give roger dean a call as he is the artists that gave the 16-bit originals their distinctive look. Roger dean draws some crazy landscapes..would love too see those landscapes rendered using PS4 power.

[DoctorJones]

I remember when I was a kid my Dad had a Roger Dean book with loads of his artwork in it, it was amazing. The guy made some excellent album covers as well.

[MCTJim]

Thuway Thuway Thuway...we already know about this..stop reiterating what has already been said...You are wrong most of the time...or you regurgitate what was said hours earlier and pass it off as "insider information."

As for performance increases...it is a welcome addition to the PS4 that they are tweaking their SDK and middleware tools. I don't expect to see any real performance gains in games until at least next year when they start using better tools. Most of what we all see now are launch titles.

[Kayant]

Another day another thuway rumor :/

Why would they announce an sdk update to the public in the first place....

Well Mark Cerny don't put so much emphasises on GPGPU compute for no reason.

Taking this with a massive grain of salt because it's thuway but the difference indeed could be become a lot bigger than now in some games depending on how devs start to use gpu compute it could be something like MGS:GV sky simulation or something bigger if a title heavy uses gpu compute.

[No_Limit]

LOL, Thuway, as the knowledgeable insider that he is, don't even know what the MS parity clause is about.

Paul Simpson ‏@PaulSim99 49m

@thuway I won't disagree with you as regards the PS4s innards,but I don't think the performance delta will be as large as you think.

Ahsan Rasheed ‏@thuway

@PaulSim99 You can thank the Parity Clause. The single player exclusives on PS4 will blow you away. Just wait.

Even I know the parity clause for Xbox is just a clause for id@xbox devs that are forced to release games the same day and date on Xbox with other consoles, it has nothing to do on the technical front of resticting developers to hold back the other consoles' versions for parity sake.

And this guy is a famous insider? LOL

[Kayant]

That's my problem with him he's bias is too much for me to take anything he says seriously especially with the frequency of his info.

At least with Mort even with his f***up I can still take me somewhat seriously with his info because his bias is clear and he doesn't try to defend it and he as better understand that this guy.

[incendy35]

Parallel Computing is definitely the future! AMD's tests have shown over 2.4 times performance improvements for doing tasks with parallel computing. Microsoft has been pushing this idea for quite some time with AMP, but the PC has made its use much more difficult since the memory on PC's is not unified "basically they were faking/forcing Parallel Computing". Unified Memory is by far the biggest advantage next gen consoles have, and Parallel Computing "GPGPU" is the way you take advantage of it. This is also the reason most people are so hyped about DirectX 12. In DX12, you can flag a task to run parallel in an if statement that checks to see if the hardware can support it.

For those wondering how it works, the memory in PS4/Xbox One has direct access by both the CPU and the GPU. This means you can use all your cores on both the CPU and the GPU to update the same memory bits. You have to think of them as one operating unit, there is no CPU and GPU, there is just a combined CPU/GPU superchip. At least as far as developers are concerned haha.

[hello12]

Typical vague crap once more from Thuway. Microsoft, has the big three AMD, Intel, and Nivida all appearing at the same, conference saying directx12 is the next step up.

Thuway damage control, he knows full well, the PS4 is going to fall behind once directx12 arrives.

I want to see specifics? Why is Sony not having a conference touting the performances boosts. Its all smoke and mirrors to deceive Sony fans.

Of course the PS4 will get better, but being vague about how, it will be done doesn't cut any ice with me.

[Kayant]

"Why is Sony not having a conference touting the performances boosts. Its all smoke and mirrors to deceive Sony fans" - You're doing it like MS had one specifically for XB1. The DX12 reveal had one small segment about XB1's api porting to PC by Turn 10.

Expect from this --> http://i.imgur.com/xxNpozh.... there is no metric on the possible gains XB1 will get when those missing features are added to XB1's DX11.X api.

[hello12]

Conference was over 30 minutes to 40 minutes long, all directx12 talk. You likely just ignored it or even cared knowing you Kayant!

Kayant early access for devs is early 2014, i heard June, but i can't confirm that yet. But early access this year is happening.

So you'll know more than and will not be waiting till 2015.

Microsoft said directx12 is coming to the xb1 so have devs making games. Are you saying its a lie?

PC is where you test stuff out and experiment with it. Its being like this since the early 90's, nothing strange at all, about clouding computing been shown on a PC (Directx12 too) This is how tech evolves before hitting other entertainment devices!

[Kayant]

"Conference was over 30 minutes to 40 minutes long, all directx12 talk. You likely just ignored it or even cared knowing you Kayant!" - Where did I say that? I said that it had very little in terms of specifies in relation to XB1 it was mostly about PC and Mobile.

"Microsoft said directx12 is coming to the xb1 so have devs making games. Are you saying its a lie?" - Did I say that? I said XB'1 api already has some of these features as shown above and the rest will be added soon.

"PC is where you test stuff out and experiment with it. Its being like this since the early 90's, nothing strange at all, about clouding computing been shown on a PC (Directx12 too) This is how tech evolves before hitting other entertainment devices!"

Read their blog does it specify the gains the XB1 will get with the update. Well with DX12 MS isn't agreeing there because XB1 is the testing area well not the right wording but it's where they are bringing some of these features from and porting them to PC and Mobile.

"Forza Motorsport 5 is an example of a game that pushes the Xbox One to the limit with its fast-paced photorealistic racing experience. Under the hood, Forza achieves this by using the efficient low-level APIs already available on Xbox One today. Traditionally this level of efficiency was only available on console – now, Direct3D 12, even in an alpha state, brings this efficiency to PC and Phone as well. By porting their Xbox One Direct3D 11.X core rendering engine to use Direct3D 12 on PC, Turn 10 was able to bring that console-level efficiency to their PC tech demo."

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dir...

[SniperControl]

"I want to see specifics? Why is Sony not having a conference touting the performances boosts. Its all smoke and mirrors to deceive Sony fans"

Because Sony are not desperate like MS, they dont need to show anything, the games do all the talking for them.

MS have been on a deperate PR offensive touting everything they can find at the back of their little dark broom cupboard, most of it is just BS that fails in real world scenarios, you say Sony is deceiving it's fans, 7.5 million PS4 fans think otherwise.
You all need to take a long hard look at yourselves in a mirror and see who is really being deceived.

[GW212]

http://www.psu.com/a023342/...

Honestly, the Sony ICE team is being more specific than anything having to do with DX12 and XB1. Unless you just dont want to believe the Team ICE senior programmer. But I don't think you'd be that silly, would you?

[Leox305]

I hope that Star wars Battlefront is not a exclusive for xbox one.

[SniperControl]

I think EA learnt there lesson with Titanfall, never gonna happen.

[XtraTrstrL]

I knew it, when it was first announced The ICE Team was working on PS4 performance, I said it was gonna be mainly surrounding GPGPU. I hope it also revolves around making Partially Resident Textures easy to implement.

[Predaking77]

In other words

There will be no such things as consoles parity. The PS4 will always be aheasier oh the X1.