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On Xbox One And PS4, Hard Drive Space Is Already Shrinking Fast

Forbes contributer Paul Tassi wrote yesterday about how gamers are continuing to resist the seemingly inevitable age of download-only console gaming. While he focused mainly on the lack of used game trade-in or offsetting price cuts on new games, right now there’s another issue creeping into view. Hard drive space.

This weekend when he booted up Call of Duty: Ghosts for the first time in a few weeks, he found that he had yet another update for the game, a 1.6 GB patch that promised “bug fixes” and a few balance/customization tweaks. It feels like every game he plays across both my systems has some sort patch to install alongside it every other time Paul goes to play, not to mention the large installs required even when he do indeed have a physical disc in hand.

bessy673724d ago

It would definitely be great if the hard drives were bigger, and hopefully Xbox One will get external HD support in the near future, but honestly this isn't a problem for most people. Not many people have 15-20 games that they're playing simultaneously.

B-radical3724d ago (Edited 3724d ago )

Iv'e got 2 externals already 1 120gb ssd and 1 500gb hd

I figure one for shooters and 1 for everything else

ThunderSpark3724d ago (Edited 3724d ago )

It's a good thing the PS4 allows you to upgrade to your capacity of choice. Another reason why I'm a proud owner.

No complaints here.

minimur123724d ago

I upgraded to a 1tb and it takes away 150gb of space, that's right. I've got 850 available to use and I've already eaten through 200 of it. Did you know DC universe online is 35GB??

Anyway, im not sure what I should do about my 500gb Sony one, might sell it or use it on ps4 as external of it ever supports it, bit external drives can't store games, can they? So what's the point besides videos?

ziggurcat3724d ago

you're going to be disappointed when you find out that you won't have access to the full amount of HDD space.

seriously, where has it been said that "support" = "full access"? because X360 also "supports" external HDDs... and how much space are actually able to use?

think about it for a second... if they won't allow people to upgrade the HDDs in their xbones, what makes you think they'll allow people to just plug in any external HDD, and let them run games off of it?

GameSpawn3724d ago (Edited 3724d ago )

@minimur12

Hard drive manufacturers are to blame for the space difference. For YEARS they have described drives as having so many GB or TB of space and chalking up loss to formatting. The truth is HDD manufactures work with Base-10 numbers, but computers are binary and work with Base-2 numbers (or squares thereof Base-8, octal, and Base-16, hexadecimal) which Base-10 numbers don't easily divide into.

So reduce to bytes (10^3 = 1,000):
500GB
= 500 * 1,000 (MB) * 1,000 (KB)* 1,000 (B)
= 500,000,000,000 Bytes (actual size)
Revert to computers' measurement (2^10 = 1024)
500,000,000,000 Bytes
= 500,000,000,000 / (1024 * 1024 * 1024)
= 465.7GB (Actual reported space by your computer/device)

Notice the supposed 30+GB loss. Back in the olden days when hard drives were 10's to 100s of MBs in size (yeah I'm old) this wasn't a big margin of error and it was easier to divide by 1,000 than 1,024.

It's bull%^&*, but HDD manufacturers list this on the box and refuse to change. Plus even and round numbers look better on boxes than decimals.

It is true some space is lost to partition tables and buffer space between partitions, BUT these amount to KBs to a few MBs worth of loss, negligible in comparison to hundreds of GBs of space.

Also, some space is reserved by the PS4 for the extra OS components and also to be used as a cache for games; noticeable but still somewhat negligible.

As far as what to do with your old HDD, buy a SATA laptop enclosure and just use it as an external HDD for whatever you want.
http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

Gaming1013724d ago

You can't store games on external drives, just multimedia.
Also, the biggest hard drive currently in existence that will fit the PS4 is 2TB. This was a breakthrough in laptop hard drive technology. It's highly unlikely Sony will put this expensive new hard drive technology into its PS4, as it has always allowed you to upgrade yourself. That 2TB hard drive costs 150, so a $550-$600 PS4 with a few extra features may be a but much for some.

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lsujester3724d ago

A simple cleanup of non-played games will take care of any problems. I went through ACIV, playing the campaign, wrecking other ships for numerous hours, and finding every upgrade. I will not be doing the tedious task of finding every single item on those tiny islands, nor do I care for the MP. So erased from my hard drive, it was.

GribbleGrunger3724d ago

I completely agree. I really don't understand how people manage to fill their 500gb HDDs up. As soon as I finish a game, I delete it. It doesn't take much to download it or reinstall it again if the fancy takes you later on. I'll never run out of space.

Nicxel3724d ago

I buy maybe 2-3 games per year. I'm sure when I finally get my Xbox One later this year I wont run into space issues any time soon haha.

Modi19843724d ago

no problem with my PS4 1TB :)

AnEwGuY3724d ago

Especially since you've got very little to put on it. Bah-dum-chhhh!

Hicken3724d ago (Edited 3724d ago )

If the PS4, which has more games than the XB1, doesn't have anything to put on it, an XB1 hdd must be almost blank, right?

Seriously, though. This is one of the problems of an all digital future. There was no way in hell Microsoft was ready for that. Obviously, neither was Sony, but they weren't pushing for it, at least.

Is there still no news on external support for the XB1?

ALLWRONG3724d ago

PS4 has more games than X1? I think the weed you're smoking is laced.

BG115793724d ago

It's amazing that a simple thing like that is considered a feature now-a-days.
It should be possible on every console.

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Letthewookiewin3724d ago

Put a 1Tb HDD in my PS4, and I don't think that's even going to be enough. Next Gen install sizes are pretty large.

Aces173724d ago

I only have 3 digital games on X1 and my harddrive space is still over 50% taken up. I plan to buy Dead Rising and Titanfall digitally so that is going to be completely gone sooner or later. I wouldn't mind deleting other games but they take too long to redownload.

Npugz73724d ago

Ya just delete the game when your done with it! You can always install it again and it keeps your saved games! The only ones I don't delete are the multiplayer games!

webeblazing3724d ago

why dont they just put an extra hdd in there. when its close to full just add another.

AceBlazer133724d ago

Good thing these next gen consoles have upgradeable hdd......I'm half right.

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light693724d ago

Wow lol Everyone laughed at the meager memory of the Wii U yet I have double the games plus download only games and my Wii U isn't even half way full.

To be honest it's more of a developer problem; they need to stop releasing unfinished games, these patches are nice but a patch every week is going to make this problem worse. Lazy ass developers.

UnholyLight3724d ago

I've said it before I'll say it again:

500GB hard drive standard this gen is to the consoles what 20GB was at the start of last gen unfortunately.

It's merely a nice starting point but will really become a piss off when some more games come out over the next year, especially with mandatory installs and the larger data sizes for updates and DLC :/

OH WELL, STILL ON THAT NEXT GEN SHEEEET..WE'LL LIVE!

Rocky53724d ago (Edited 3724d ago )

100% agree. Also the XB1 auto deletes the oldest played game to make space when installing a new one.

I have the following installed.
Ryse
Battlefield 4
Assassins creed 4
Forza 5
Dead rising 3
Rayman
Halo: Spartan assult
Max: curse go the brotherhood
FIFA 14
Tomb raider definitive edition

Also had the Titan fall beta.

Totals space free 159GB all those games & only half the space used

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supraking9513724d ago

ummmmm...delete the games you most likely stopped playing in November/December 2013?

KonsoruMasuta3724d ago (Edited 3724d ago )

Everybody says this. But I don't like deleting games because I never know when I will get the itch to go back to them. When I go back to a game, I wouldn't want to wait just to put it on and play.

The solution here is more hard drive space.

theWB273724d ago

Even then how much space will be needed over the lifetime of these consoles? To say you don't want to erase games over the course of the next 4+ years says you have a dilemma.

Games are only going to get bigger with this gen...PS4 supports up to 1 terabyte I believe. You're gonna have to erase.

Npugz73724d ago

You can play as it installs whoopie you gotta wait 2 min before starting!

ThunderSpark3724d ago

Actually theWB27, a 2 TB solution for the PS4 is coming out soon: http://www.seagate.com/abou...

sobekflakmonkey3724d ago (Edited 3724d ago )

@whathappened

Although I think that 2TB 2.5' HDD is cool and all, it's only 5400RPM, and if you didn't know, that's not the greatest, I think your best bet is a 1.5TB 2.5' Hybrid Drive or something of the sort.

Higher RPMs have actually shown to improve loading time's(by seconds) on the PS4, so yeah, SSD, hybrid or 7200RPM...5400RPM is selling yourself short.

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killzone6193724d ago

this is one problem i have with next gen consoles.

AC2020x3724d ago

Good thing I can upgrade my ps4 to a larger drive!

Anon19743724d ago

That's one of the reasons I'm choosing the PS4 as well. It was great that I had the ability to upgrade my 60GB drive on my PS3, it's great I have the option to upgrade hassle free on the PS4 as well. Just a great feature.

SoulSercher6203724d ago

And that's one of the best things about PS4 and PS3. I can upgrade my hard drive at will :)

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Let's Be Real, There Is Nothing "Micro" About Microtransactions Anymore

Microtransactions have gotten ridiculously overpriced in recent years, with titles now offering cosmetic skins worth more than some games.

Terry_B22h ago

Yup..this is 100% the sad truth

z2g1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

The elephant in the room tho is personal accountability. It’s easy (albeit basic) to blame the big, bad corpo, but microtransactions wouldn’t be where they are if gamers didn’t spend money on them. As it stands the MTs usually make more than the game. Publishers know raising game prices will cause backlash, so they do MTs to compensate. But the adult conversation is consumers determine the success of products with their wallets. So if MTs are a huge thing, it’s because we as consumers told them we like them by giving them a lot of money for them. So if you don’t want them to be a thing, convince your fellow gamers to stop buying them and expect that games will be decently more expensive. You all can disagree all you want, but reality is a bitch, and eventually you have to live in it.

isarai14h ago

I mean except for the amount of content you're paying for.

Hugodastrevas3h ago

There never was, the only time I paid for a microtransaction was on Blacklight Retribution (PS4) and it was because I enjoyed the game a lot so I felt the devs should get something for all that entertainment (€5 "membership")

-Foxtrot2h ago

The devs wouldn’t get that though, that shit goes straight to the higher ups who do f*** all let’s be honest.

Hugodastrevas1h ago

Probably, but I wasn't as cynical back then and €5 wasn't a big ask to get the guns with grinding instead of renting them, and the game was good (still is on the PS5/4)

CrimsonWing691h ago(Edited 1h ago)

I couldn’t believe what Blizzard charged for horse armor and cosmetics in Diablo 4…

I remember back in the day when a season pass was $15 and you got everything included in it. Now, I see them at $60 and you still don’t get everything.

Shane Kim1h ago

As soon as gaming wasn't deemed nerdy anymore, and reached the casuals this happened. We're smart, but casuals play mobile games and other stuff, and don't really have anything to compare. They think gaming is supposed to be like this and pay for in game purchases.

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