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Did Microsoft win GamesCom 2013?

GamrMag's Christian Orkibi discusses GamesCom 2013.

"So GamesCom 2013 has come and gone and while the show floors may still be busy, the major conferences have been cleaned away. So what’s the verdict, which company had the best showing, who made a mess of the floor, and who ultimately…won the show? In my opinion, that answer is quite clear."

ape0074331d ago (Edited 4331d ago )

nextgen stuff,(ryse, titanfall, online Cloud) MS wins

overall stuff (curren gen+handheld+indie games shown), sony wins

ShugaCane4331d ago

That's a weird point of view lol. If Sony didn't win nextgen stuff, how did it overall won. Anyway I agree that Sony won the show. MS did right but I'm so not interested in Kinect or FIFA so I'm gonna stick to Sony and PSV indie games, Shadow of the Beast, the LBP hub, Remote play etc.. Still prefer what the PS4 has to offer. Much more.

ape0074331d ago (Edited 4331d ago )

anyways the show is only the tip of the iceberg, almost showed nothing, both companies have a lot happening back stage in the dark :D

Skips4331d ago

^ Sony's gonna have a conference a week before TGS (And I doubt it's to show off more indies), and a they're also going to host a Keynote AT TGS.

Not sure what MS is gonna do...

B-radical4331d ago

I personally dont care for indies games at all the fact MS talked about there indie program was cool tho

4Sh0w4331d ago

Yeah I like indie support but frankly I buy a console for great games from experienced studios, it doesn't have to be AAA but I dont want to play games that a 5yr old smartphone can run, if so why buy a home console? Indie games for me are a sideshow like xbla titles its just a given, nice to have like TV, features, apps, they are distant secondary selling points but at a gaming conference I expect to see the big guns. Thats why I thought micro had the best gamescom.

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golding894331d ago

Lol.

Not sure what you mean by that statement ape007.. contradicting yourself.

ape0074331d ago (Edited 4331d ago )

no i mean, overall, handheld, indie games shown, release date

if u want nextgen stuff, then ms was better, if you are not into nextgen that much yes, sony wins

the show showed nothing still

it's not something decisive at all

mewhy324331d ago

I'll play titanfall and ryse on my pc (not true exclusives) and the "Cloud" is not unique to micro$oft LOL, and so many 180's that gamers are getting dizzy trying to keep up. "fail"

Sony releases in 32 countries, shows "TRUE" exclusives, better price, real exclusives, indie friendly....yeah Sony definitely won it all. Hands down.

andibandit4331d ago

shows "TRUE INDIE" exclusives

, corrected that for you, no need to thank me.

Gimmemorebubblez4331d ago

@andibandit

ReSPAWN is an Indie studio because they own the Titanfall IP and they themselves are not owned by MS or EA.....so whats wrong with Indies. Indies doesn't mean a garage of 1-10 people working on a game...all it means is that the studio is independent of a publicly traded company.

wicked4331d ago

Sony releases in 2 countries then in another 30 2 weeks later, corrected that also.

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Muerte24944331d ago

Gakai have real servers not virtual ones. They have a Guineas World Record showing this. Virtual Server aren't the same thing. They aren't as stable as physical servers. While they are cheaper than physical servers, they are more prone to crashes.

Golden_Mud4331d ago

Microsoft confirmed that they'll have 300000 physical dedicated servers

BABYLEG4331d ago (Edited 4331d ago )

I have to wonder how the 2 weaker consoles look more next Gen and play like next Gen consoles.. But the stronger system is technically just a Ram upgrade. Did anyone see the user Interface on ps4? For a second I though he was digging too much.. Something that I could find in 3 seconds by saying Xbox Bing...

guy below me mentions the mud that is driveclub, but not the gloss that is Forza 5.. Dam shame

windblowsagain4331d ago

Titanfall does not look nextgen. Source engine.
Ryse looks good, but slow and abit boring.

vs.

KILLZONE SHADOWFALL.
INFAMOUS SECOND SON
DRIVECLUB.

True nextgen looking games.

ape0074331d ago (Edited 4331d ago )

Titanfall looks better (gameplay, design, novelty wise and replay value wise) than all those 3 games combined, plus the gfx shown were freaking awesome

im a FPS vetran who played almost every fps game in the book, titanfall is the next big thing, something that KZ totally failed to deliver with KZ2 in 2009

not anything against KZ, i'll buy shadown fall but it's not a class A FPS game, more like B

just compare the KZ multiplayer trailer shown yesterday with the CoD ghosts trailer, ghosts look 10 times better in everything (except gfx) let alone comparing it to TITANFALL

Skips4331d ago (Edited 4331d ago )

"Titanfall imo looks better (gameplay, design, novelty wise and replay value wise) than all those 3 games combined"

If you're in to COD gameplay I guess. XD

"plus the gfx shown were freaking awesome"

Not sure how looking about as good as COD Ghosts means "gfx = freaking awesome". lol

Titanfall looks incredibly bland as a "next gen" title.

http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
vs.
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

You can't get any closer at looking similar than that. lol If it wasn't for the mechs, Titanfall would look about as bland as Ghosts gameplay and graphics wise...

"something that KZ totally failed to deliver with KZ2 in 2009"

LMFAO!!!! Just stop right there. XD

Bennibop4331d ago

Its funny how MS fans are jumping on Titanfall to be the next big thing, I just dont see it. The graphics look ok but nothing amazing and the gameplay was hardly new and original. Was not that fussed about KZ but now I have seen the multiplayer and its ability to create you own game rules I cant wait but I am under no illusion its not PS4's killer app, that will prob be naughty dogs next title.

Muerte24944331d ago

@APe007, @Rainstorm81

I don't think anyone is doubting the gameplay of TitanFall. It looks wonderful in motion and it runs at a brilliant 60fps. I hope TitanFall does well because it would be retribution for the ex Infinity Ward guys. With that said, these are just modified versions of John Carmack's Doom 3 engine. His engine prioritizes frames per second over textures. He has built another one but i think it's exclusive to ID software (RAGE-mega textures).

For you people who say killzone 2 failed, you clearly have never played it. That game had a dedicated following. Dynamic mode changes on the fly is a Killzone2 Original (Warzone). Killzone3 left a sour taste in people's mouth because it went after COD lovers. I hope they'll have brutal headshots like Last of US.

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Bigpappy4331d ago

I would not base it solely on presentation. The show is still going on. It is up to press reports and the reactions from those reports.

Rainstorm814331d ago

ryse titanfall and **cloud** were all at E3....isnt that the complaint about Sony showing Killzone, Infamous, Drive Club and Knack?

What about Sony's next gen features like in the beginning Yoshida was watching a streaming video of KZ shadow fall then instantly joined into the match...Or the Vita/PS4 remote play feature on AC4.

Sony did show us a ton of indie games but even many of those look very appealing...Rime, Rapture, Shadow of the Beast...Even the vita got alot of love and Masasaki Baby looks great as well...Add in Price Drops and a PS4 release date........ yea sony wins

MasterCornholio4331d ago

"streaming video of KZ shadow fall then instantly joined into the match"

OMG thats so cool.

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-Superman-4331d ago

Only new stuff from Microsft we got is Fifa 14, but again, its only game bundle and im not intersted in Fifa 14.
Sony how ever showed a lot indie games which some of those looked interesting.

PsnGammer214331d ago

Ms didn't win jack shit man all it showed was same stuff and u get a 500 dollar game with a brick that when u get home all the drm stuff will be back on xD

Anon19744331d ago (Edited 4331d ago )

I'll say it again, there is no comparison between the two Gamescon events. I can't believe that I'm hearing so many gaming sites claiming MS somehow pulled ahead with their non-event.

Let's recap the highlights.

MS hosted a press event from some backroom somewhere. They showed a trailer for a new Fable, when the previous entry didn't really set the world on fire. Anyone surprised a new Fable is down the line somewhere? They unveiled a free copy of Fifa, only for those who preorder, only in 7 of the 13 launch countries. No launch date. 23 launch titles.

Sony's event. Reaffirmed their commitment to the PS3, LBP Hub for free, massive Vita price cut and support, Vita remote play shown off with PS4, a new, $199 PS3, new PS4 features like easy, custom soundtracks unveiled, a raft of new games, firm dates and 32 launch countries, look at the PS4 OS, Gameplay from some of the most anticipated titles, Minecraft, Twitch, PSN+ details like PS3 owners receiving massive discounts when opting to pick up PS4 versions of titles. One million already preordered. 180 games in development for the PS4. 33 launch titles unveiled for 2013 versus MS's 23.

How on earth are the two events even being compared?

trywizardo4331d ago

current gen , MS wins 360
next gen , ms wins a console for core gamers and awesome games lineup
PS3 sucked this gen most of multi games looks better on 360 and exclusives PS3 just have uncharted series and LOU those are the good ones and there are GOW3 only those :)
handheld vita sucks and still sucks so they are trying to make it more popular with connecting it with home consoles lmao
PS4 is for indies that's it

Magicite4331d ago

I see you are serious. NOT.

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NYC_Gamer4331d ago

I can't pick a winner since every conference lacked huge software announcements

shivvy244331d ago

yep i agree, but a few of the indie titles sony announced looked amazing especially RIME

Rainstorm814331d ago

Rime's art style reminds me of The Mark of Kri on PS2...i cant wait to see more on that game

shivvy244331d ago

it reminds me of something team ico would make

Ksar4331d ago

That's pretty obvious they win Gamescom. Sony made a poor conference.

Xsilver4331d ago

having a conference and not having a conference.could you tell me when ur xbox releases i kinda didn't hear it, Sony won u must be delusional. makes sense you support MS that literally tried to stop you from owning ur own games.

DonFreezer4331d ago

Damn right.Sony mentioning the words debut on ps4 first and all the timed exclusive shit broke them apart.

Magicite4331d ago

and the famous Ksar the king of Xbots posts his opinion and once again gets shitload of disagrees.

gamertk4214331d ago

Call of Duty is Activision, not EA.

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‘I think Xbox hardware is dead’, says Microsoft gaming veteran

One of the founding members of the Xbox team has questioned Microsoft’s multiplatform gaming strategy, and said they believe the Xbox hardware business is effectively “dead"

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Goodguy0123h ago

Think that rumor that they'll still make a new console but at a profit at $1000 will be true though. The series consoles will remain their cheap alternative throughout next gen I would say. Keep in mind that game pass and pretty much going 3rd party is their main focus. They want to bring xbox everywhere.

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GamerRN2h ago

If they don't maintain some kind of console presence, I think they will lose gamepass subscribers and just become a 3rd party publisher who eventually sells everything off

Cacabunga1h ago

Xbox games are releasing on all platforms. Who needs this hardware? PS or PC is all you need

Flewid63824m ago

I've never owned an Xbox in my life and I have GamePass.

crazyCoconuts45m ago

Even if they could get it down to $800 for a box that can run with comparable performance to a PS6 (at, say $200 cheaper) the population of people willing to buy such a thing would be so limited.
It would be the worst of both worlds.

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Futureshark11h ago

A slow, painful and public death too.

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Looming Xbox layoffs threaten Microsoft's reputation

Even as the company sets out to overhaul the very definition of Xbox, cuts at its studios risk creating a negative image reminiscent of EA's worst era

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Jingsing3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I appreciate the article but this guy must be living in a delayed universe, The reputation was ruined 10+ years ago and hasn't recovered since. As such people have voted with their wallets and stopped buying Xbox products in large amounts.

YourMommySpoils1d 21h ago

Their reputation was lost way before that. From the moment Microsoft said they entering the console business, we all knew it would be a downgrade.

Bathyj1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

That's not true at all the OG Xbox had drive and they had hunger and they wanted to accomplish something. It was a great console.

they didn't quite reach their goals and they gave up prematurely because they couldn't win. It was halfway through the Xbox 360 when kinect released and that was when they lost their way and we're a rudderless ship ever since

Agent751d 5h ago

In all fairness, Xbox had some great games with online play, Xbox 360 even better. Xbox consoles started to die with the Xbox One. Ditch consoles for the PC and PS.

YourMommySpoils21h ago

@Bathyj hard to compute ay. Xbox was never better than a PC and that's all they ever were. A demo box. Doesn't get more true than that.

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isarai3d ago

What reputation is this threatening exactly? 😂

Lightning772d ago

Rumors of Turn 10 being either shut down or hit with massive lay offs is on the horizon.

The issue is MS will do something right only to do something very, very wrong. And they do this what seems calculative at this point. Doesn't matter what they do the Investors and leadership want more and more money an endless bottomless pit of purr insatiable greed. A company that acts like it's broke or hurting is what really, really infuriates me. They've surpassed apple again well over 3 trillion who acts like they're a million dollar company is fk stupid. Pivots and changes for no reason and can't do things for more than a year with out a pivot or changing their metrics.

Christopher2d ago

That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest.

1Victor2d ago

@christopher: “ That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest”
The key word big can be ether good or bad 🤷🏿only time can tell

DarXyde1d 23h ago

First Forza being generated entirely via AI?

If any company would do it, it'd be them.

Nacho_Z1d 12h ago

Isn't the point that it's irrelevant how profitable MS is, the suits have decided it's time that the Xbox division started making them money. Hence the layoffs, the pivots.

hennessey861d 8h ago

That wouldn't surprise me, as motorsport has been heading down hill since the great number 4. Where as playground have consistently put out better games. I think the two studios will be merged under playground games banner.

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Microsoft planning “major” Xbox layoffs next week

The cuts are expected to be announced next week.

Microsoft is also planning thousands of job cuts that will impact other parts of it businesses

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Obscure_Observer6d ago

MFs has been beating their chests over great quarterly results and big profits to shareholders while firing people by the thousands just like Sony.

I wonder if at the top of those rumored layoffs they´ll also cancel upcoming or unannounced games while shutting down more studios as well.

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pwnmaster30006d ago

Always got to throw shade at Sony smh.
Yes we get it,
MS good Sony bad
MS bad Sony is also bad lmao

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Obscure_Observer6d ago

F* them both!

Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares.

blacktiger6d ago

He was talking about both. Why you getting offended when he's using both names

pwnmaster30006d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@Blacktiger

Im not offended , that’s just his formula lol
He can’t help help himself, he needs to bring Sony down when the topic involves MS.
Whether is good news for MS or bad, it some how leads to Sony doing bad lmao.
It’s actually hilarious.

InUrFoxHole5d ago

He's not wrong but im tracking what youre saying. In this case is should just be MS bad. Thats a lot of people fired

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Tacoboto6d ago

"just like Sony"

Gosh you're insufferable, not everything needs to be both-sides'd. Sony's had layoffs, but nothing like what Microsoft has been doing and is continuing to do.

CrimsonWing696d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I mean, no offense, but this is why you’re not some corporate business person running a major corporation. Big profits don’t mean jobs are safe. Do you understand why things like this happen:

Cutting jobs to maintain or increase profitability, especially in underperforming divisions like parts of Xbox like other gaming divisions.

Corporate restructuring and relocating resources for strategic stability in ever changing markets and consumer behaviors.

Investor expectations and optimizing operations to maintain investor confidence. Whatever boosts stock prices and improves future margins.

And there’s many other factors at play. It’s never as simple as business doing well, everyone’s safe. That’s just you not understanding at all how corporations work and have been working since the beginning. This isn’t something that’s specific to Xbox, you can bet your ass Sony and Nintendo do this and if it’s not clear by now, game development is not a stable job nor has it ever been for many. A lot of developers are contractors and guess what happens when a project is done?

Ganif6d ago

Nintendo said they have no plans for layoffs, and you can't seriously claim that the scale of Sony's layoffs most of which involved Bungie which is self managed as even close to the same scale as what Microsoft has done since they purchased Zenimax. And that significantly less layoffs would have happened if those publishers had stayed independent. Keep in mind that much of these layoffs have been due to redundancies specifically related to these buyouts.

CrimsonWing696d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@Ganif

Nintendo:

https://gamerant.com/ninten...

Sony:

https://gamerant.com/playst...

https://techxplore.com/news...

I don’t think it’s realistic to treat Sony’s layoffs as somehow outside the norm for the industry right now. Even if Bungie is self-managed, Sony’s cuts went far beyond that like Naughty Dog, Insomniac, London Studio being shut down completely, and multiple teams across the globe took hits. These weren’t just minor adjustments.

Nintendo, I had to look up and you’re right. They seem to be an outlier, but rest assured at some point it happens. And even then there’s been layoffs, albeit a smaller amount and contractors.

Would fewer layoffs have happened if studios from acquisitions stayed independent? Maybe. But even independents have been hit hard and look at what’s happened with Embracer’s fallout, or smaller devs like Digic, Roll7, or Volition. This isn’t just a “Microsoft problem” or strictly tied to acquisitions; it’s a broader correction happening across the whole industry, and unfortunately, layoffs are a big part of that process right now.

Ganif6d ago

From your article:

"According to reports, Nintendo of America restructured its testing operations, leading to layoffs of about 120 contractors, part of a strategy for global integration.

Nintendo of America, publisher of iconic franchises like Mario and Zelda, is shifting some contractors to full-time roles for better development integration."

Contractors are not employees, and even if you want to count them as that, it's 120 people vs around 7500 since Microsoft purchased Zenimax.

In an era of game industry layoffs, Nintendo is hiring more people
https://automaton-media.com...

Nintendo Announces 10 Percent Pay Raise For Devs Despite Lower Profits
https://kotaku.com/nintendo...

Nintendo CEO’s refusal to layoff staff goes viral following industry-wide cuts
"Satoru Iwata took pay cuts to ensure staff didn’t have to be let go"
https://www.nme.com/news/ga...

And as for Sony you're comparing less than 1000 total jobs to an estimated7500

Has the industry faced layoffs, yes, but that still doesn't account for the mass layoffs due to redundancies that was easily predictable, or that fact that at least 1/3 of Microsoft's layoffs and studio closures happened before the industry downturn.

thorstein6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Take the L, Crimson.

People hate Nintendo, but Ganif proved why they deserve support.

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-Foxtrot6d ago

It's like banging your head off a wall, he just can't help himself.

Microsoft can do no wrong, Sony sucks at everything and Nintendo is bigged up because it's less hassle than trying to defend Microsoft all the time

What's going to happen when Microsoft finally turn completely third party, then what?

anast6d ago

I enjoy Obscure. Obscure does good work.

crazyCoconuts6d ago

Did you know that the first n4g was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program.

Tacoboto6d ago

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if anast and osbcure were both alts for the Admin.

We know how Obscure especially drums up additional comments and clicks with his spam-worthy remarks that somehow never get moderated

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Profchaos5d ago

Thats business present a strong front to your shareholders while your company burns around you.

Keep shareholders happy at all costs andnif not happy keep them numb to the reality of you organisation

Angyobangyo5d ago

" Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares. "

Just for the record, you clearly you do if you have to vent this hard.

TheExecutioner5d ago

Basically you think like kids when it come to choose between candy or chocolate.

Sonic18815d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Are you and Anast the same person?

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