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Submitted by Rashid Sayed 366d ago | news

Octodad Dev on PS4's 5.5 GB RAM Rumor: "Nothing for Anyone Besides a Dev to Worry About"

"Moments ago, EuroGamer has reported that the PlayStation 4 will have 4.5 GB of RAM allocated to games with an additional 1 GB for flexibility. So that's potentially 5.5 GB of RAM allocated to games, contrary to earlier reports of 7 GB. This has created some sort of storm across PlayStation community as many are questioning the need of 3.5 GB of RAM for system OS." (PS4)

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THC CELL  +   366d ago
There u go.
dedicatedtogamers  +   366d ago | Well said
Not sure this is exactly "confirmation", only that he's telling the people getting their panties in a bunch about RAM that they're worrying about nothing.

And still, the only source for this is Leadbetter at Digital Foundry, not exactly a reliable source. Sony used between 512 mb to 1 GB of RAM for the OS when PS4 had 4 GB, but then they add 4 more GB of RAM...only for pretty much all of it to be used up by the OS? Yeah, seems legit.

I see only two scenarios:

a) In just a few months (a year, at most) Sony has ballooned their OS from using 1 GB to using 3.5 GB of RAM which is more than the XBox One uses, despite the fact that GDDR5 is roughly 30% faster than the Xbox One's DDR3.

or

b) The only source for this groundbreaking news is Leadbetter and an unnamed "insider" with mysterious "development documents". Leadbetter has a dubious track record over the last few months ("magic holes" in the eSRAM give Xbox One 196/GB per second of bandwidth LOLOLOL!) and therefore this rumor is probably not true, especially considering how developers have constantly been talking about the huge pool of GDDR5 RAM and how great it is for gaming.

I think after months and months of non-stop negative news about a certain console, loyalists to that certain console are desperate to latch on to ANY negative news about the competitor. Believe what you want, kids.
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Rashid Sayed  +   366d ago
I think Digital Foundry are a valid source and I really think this rumor will indeed turned out to be true.

But honestly, no one should be worried since 1st party Sony Studios will be making use of that 5.5 GB RAM to the max.
majiebeast  +   366d ago | Well said
@Rashid

Just like the 7 minutes of recording right or the magic special sauce they reported for the Xbone. Eurogamer and digital foundry has been a joke since the console reveals and spreading a bunch of fud.
NewMonday  +   366d ago | Interesting
from NeoGaf:

"Originally Posted by zomgbbqftw

So here is a theory that I have heard. Note, this is not insider information. A friend who is a developer, not on consoles or PlayStation mind, thinks that the new devkits probably ship with 8GB GDDR5 but the developer tools probably take up 2-3GB on there, leaving addressable RAM at just 5GB. He said the problem is that the APU bus is 256bit which won't allow for more than 8GB RAM until 8Gbit chips are available.

He thinks that the current SDK probably does have 3.5GB reserved for for the OS functions and development tools, but when the next set of kits ship they will have 12GB of RAM and the full 7GB will be addressable."
dboyc310  +   366d ago
All we can do is wait and see if Sony releases a statement.
Zuperman   366d ago | Off topic | show
bicfitness  +   366d ago | Helpful
The rumor is already being dismissed on Neogaf. I read this twitter response like an hour ago on there too. N4G is not the fastest place for information. Its looking more and more likely that A.) the Digital Foundry "insider" was not using a FINAL dev kit - as none have been given out yet. B.) The amount of excess RAM that Sony has reserved for FUTURE OS functions is not nearly as much as Leadbetter claims. Either way the original rumor is incorrect.
Blachek  +   366d ago
**whiny voice*

But they want to see who has more power to validate which is the better purchasing decision!!!

lol, soo much convoluted junk to keep track of. I'm gonna stick with my Xbox 360 for another year and see how this conversation plays out until then.
iamnsuperman  +   366d ago
Either way (true or not) Sony needs to confirm or deny this rumour so the dust will settle. I say bull as Eurogamers hasn't been good of late with either the One or PS4 rumours (actually been pretty terrible).

The way he talks says he can't talk about it. Now there must be a reason for this. Something must be happening at gamescom he can't talk about but will impact games

(edit) An interesting point on neogaf:

"The article sounds like nonsense. There is no way that the OS is going to reserve that much memory for itself. They added the RAM at the behest of a developer making a comment about needing more RAM, so they aren't going to essentially give the developers that same amount of RAM, but maybe a gig or a gig and a half more to play with and take up the rest with the OS. Sony has never had an elaborate OS and their OS has been in development for a long-time with 4 GB in mind... so how is it over the course of a few months that they magically reimagined their OS to triple in size if it was originally using 1 GB? That doesn't sound feasible in any manner." by Kevm3
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Thomper  +   366d ago
Hmmm...but isn't DDR3 much more efficient at those sort of tasks than GDDR5?
Arai  +   366d ago
Sony insider (confirmed KH3, FFXV prior to E3 and the lot), this whole thing is getting out of hand haha.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
S-T-F-U  +   366d ago
@dedicatedtogamers

You sir are getting a 'Well Said' Bubble from me. Keep up the good work.
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dedicatedtogamers  +   366d ago
I think something else people need to realize is that these numbers can change, and I mean that in a good way (and for those on the Green side of the fence, this applies to you too).

Last gen, the memory footprint for the PS3 and the 360 decreased dramatically over time, especially the 360 which went from 128 MB reserved for the Dash and chat down to 50 MB. PS3 saw a similar, though not as drastic, reduction as well.

Wii-U used/uses 1 GB out of its 2 GB of RAM for streaming, Miiverse, and other OS features, but I believe that number is now down to 512 MB.

Point is, I seriously doubt this rumor is true, but even if it is, Sony (and Microsoft) will likely decrease the footprint over time. There are other rumors that the PS4 OS only uses 1.5 GB right now but another 1 GB of RAM is being set aside "just in case" there are future needs to expand the functionality of the OS.
MysticStrummer  +   366d ago
@newmonday - "So here is a theory that I have heard. Note, this is not insider information. A friend who is a developer, not on consoles or PlayStation mind, thinks that the new devkits probably ship with 8GB GDDR5 but the developer tools probably take up 2-3GB on there, leaving addressable RAM at just 5GB. He said the problem is that the APU bus is 256bit which won't allow for more than 8GB RAM until 8Gbit chips are available.

He thinks that the current SDK probably does have 3.5GB reserved for for the OS functions and development tools, but when the next set of kits ship they will have 12GB of RAM and the full 7GB will be addressable."

That sounds a lot more reasonable than assuming PS4's 1 OS requires nearly as much RAM as One's 3 OS system.
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gapecanpie  +   366d ago
Its funny how when certain loyalists thought the X1 would only have 5GB for games and those same loyalists had there panties in a bunch for a system they had no intention on getting to began with but now the tables might have turn, 5GB or 4.5GB is now ok...... pathetic and sad how they backpedal
edonus  +   366d ago
The whole eSram thing just shows how broken the internet is. You guys basically completely mis read what was said and now regard your misinformation as fact.

The X1 has 2 sources of ram, the DDr3 and eSram.
The article the sony supporters like to misquote was talking about the eSram. The eSram was originally used as read write at separate times so it was said it was 102gb/s add that to the ddr3 which processes 68gb/s making total system memory 170.

The ddr3 never changed its still moving 68gb/s. What happened was they started seeing that they could read and write with the eSram at the same time which if they did the eSram could process 196gb/s by itself. But they said that was not practical so the real world power would be 133gb/s. So when you add 133gb/s from the eSram and 68gb/s from the ddr3 the total system memory of the X1 is 201gb/s.

gddr5 ram processes at 176gb/s whih is smaller than 201gb/s.

Since I am no fanboy I will say the advantage the Ps4 has is that its ram is all in one pool and can be split and allocated easier. But it is less.

And sony didnt balloon their OS they just let the community (you) perpetuate lies. Now when the truth comes out people start realizing they have been used and feel dirty so they start lashing out.
nukeitall  +   366d ago
@dedicatedtogamers:

"Last gen, the memory footprint for the PS3 and the 360 decreased dramatically over time, especially the 360 which went from 128 MB reserved for the Dash and chat down to 50 MB. PS3 saw a similar, though not as drastic, reduction as well."

You got it wrong!

The Xbox 360 amazingly has *AWAYS* used 32MB RAM footprint for their OS. The PS3 is the one that was bloated at almost 150MB RAM and then slimmed down to about 50MB RAM.

To get similar functionality as MS, the numbers for 3.5GB RAM needed for OS jives well historically.

There might be some mis-information, but development source with documentation from Sony is quite telling, and almost confirmed in my opinion.

This is pretty ironic though!
Major_FitZZ   366d ago | Spam
XboxFun  +   366d ago
I agree Edonus, I think it has more to do with the reactions of fanboys than Sony.

People were quick to point out the huge differences in RAM even though a few respected developers went on the record and said the differences were miniscule.

Now that there's a rumor that both systems will use the same/close amount of RAM for games now it's "we don't care". I think certain loyalists are trying desperately hard to downplay reality especially when their console of choice is losing all of its advantages it previously had.
Saigon  +   366d ago
I re-read the original post or article on Eurogamer.com website and noticed they are referring to the SDK. So this is a rumor. Until Sony confirms this is nothing but a rumor. Also it looks like the the post on neogaf applies the reality of the situation.
dedicatedtogamers  +   366d ago
@ Nukeitall

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure if it was PS3 or 360 that reduced the OS footprint.

@ XboxFun

"People were quick to point out the huge differences in RAM even though a few respected developers went on the record and said the differences were miniscule."

Um, then why are devs across the board touting their PS4 versions, praising the PS4 hardware, and showing off their PS4 builds of multiplat games? GDDR5 RAM is going to make a much bigger difference than people think, which is precisely why people are, you know, talking about the big difference in RAM.
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MysticStrummer  +   366d ago
"I think after months and months of non-stop negative news about a certain console, loyalists to that certain console are desperate to latch on to ANY negative news about the competitor."

Ding Ding Ding

I'm positive newmonday's quoted explanation will turn out to be true, and even if it doesn't, Eurogamer had an article back when PS4 supposedly had 4GB of GDDR5 and they said it was still better than One's 8GB of DDR3/32MB ESRAM combo.
tuglu_pati  +   366d ago
lol they removed the original story. hehe!

http://n4g.com/news/1320057...
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DoesUs  +   366d ago
@Edonus.
No, just ...no. That is not how it all worksin the XB1. Good lord man, theres enough out there to get the real figure, and more importantly how they get to that figure!

The misinformation on this site truly staggers me.
Flyingdog670  +   366d ago
Mark Cenry confirmed back in Feburary that a custom secondary chip will be used to handle uploading videos and other back ground task. So does this Debunk the rumor? I don't think so, but something is odd about this.

"Cerny later added that the PS4 will feature a secondary custom chip that manages uploads and downloads of shared content and that "digital titles are available to play even as they download."

http://www.polygon.com/2013...
imt558  +   366d ago
@edonus

No! X1 eSRAM can't read/write at the same time and eSRAM + DDR3 they do not have peak bandwith of 192 GB/s. It's Microsoft's PR bulshit. Go to NeoGAF and inform yourself.
XboxFun  +   366d ago
"Um, then why are devs across the board touting their PS4 versions, praising the PS4 hardware, and showing off their PS4 builds of multiplat games?"

UUUm, because that is what devs do Dedicated. They are showing off their games and the PS4 revealed early so this gives devs a chance to show off what they are doing with the system.

And yes they are talking about the hardware, after coming off of the hard architecture of the Cell of course they have nothing but good things to say about the new PS4.

Even you have to understand this dedicated.

"GDDR5 RAM is going to make a much bigger difference than people think,"

No it won't, I fully disagree with you. The differences will not be huge and mind blowing as a lot of people here are thinking. People are talking about RAM because all they see are numbers and that is all. One is higher than another so it must mean it's 100x more powerful.
starchild  +   366d ago
@ DedicatedtoPlaystationGamers

Jeeze, you truly are clueless. Digital Foundry's track record is very reliable.

They were the ones that really broke the story on the PS4 and XB1 specs long before they were officially revealed. You know, the same ones fanboys like you toss back in forth in your childish schoolyard spats with other console fanboys.

I have been reading them for years and their track record for accuracy is extremely good.

People like you are going to look like fools when further confirmation of this comes to light.

Yes, the OS footprint can be decreased over time, but I am willing to bet that for right now this is accurate.
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Dmarc  +   366d ago
@Zuperman
I know right, I could give a crap about this because even if it was 1gb ram it would be miles better than current gen.
What exactly is wrong with allowing 5.5 gb of ram ?
Is it bad because people thought the PS4 would allow more ram than the XB1? Thats sad if thats the case.Or is it that it genuinely is a false rumor and its stated to have allow more ram?
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starchild  +   366d ago
Exactly. I don't know why people are freaking out about this. I am getting a PS4 and this info hasn't changed my decision one bit.

4.5 to 5.5 GB is A LOT of memory to have strictly for games. And having more RAM dedicated to the OS is a good thing because it allows them to give us new features that we never had before. Instant resume of gameplay sessions, gameplay recording and streaming, being able to browse the web to search for guides without having to close out of our games... all of these things are very good things, and they require a lot more memory in order to be possible.
RumbleFish  +   366d ago
Will we see 64 bit applikations on PS4? ocherwise it will habe absolutely no impact on games, since allmost all games on PC are still 32 bit applikations and are limited to 4BG Ram usage.
u got owned  +   366d ago
In all seriousness guys. Im pretty sure Sony will clarify this, remember Gamescom is very close. I wouldn't worry about it too much, this is just for fun.
showtimefolks  +   366d ago
lets wait for sony/mark cerny to confirm this

5.5 is still a lot for GDDR5

also we are going from 512MB to 5.5GB so what's all the fuss about anyway, both sony and MS have made sure that Ram won't be an issue
justastranger10  +   366d ago
Sony: PS3 can do cross game chat. Nothing to worry about.

6 years later

Sony: PS3 can't do cross game chat. It's impossible.
Ju  +   366d ago
@edonus,

I almost agreed to what you said until you finished that way.

Those numbers (simply put x > 176) is just for people to jerk off. Those numbers are hardly practical. And even if, what you could do with it is probably fill some small chunks with some burst transfers, what you sure can't do is, turning this into a subsystem which can transfer sustained at that bandwidth.

Of you finish with "lies" I gotta tell you that we yet again observe some fabricated truth which is more than welcome picked up by the marketing department than engineers.

There is simply no way the XOne can fill texture buffers with that bandwidth. It needs to be a very well thought out cached texture layout to come even close to that bandwidth - and probably won't see any effect until "mega" textures are the rule.

Anyway, it the simple argument all over again: mine is bigger than yours.

And speaking off, even if true, this rumor still gives the PS4 a 1GB benefit over the X1. Sony might just cut that down to have some headroom down the road. And what gives, as long as devs will make games for the X1, it sure will fit for the PS4 as well.
joefrost00  +   366d ago
they have to use more cause even though ddr5 is faster its not made for multitasking where the ddr3 is
Ddr5 is mainly graphics ram
Ddr 3 is more efficient at multitasking
It makes sense now why the ps4 games have a hard time getting to 1080p 60fps
Ghost_of_Kuturagi   366d ago | Spam
edonus  +   366d ago
@DoeUs
That just the denial speaking. I have done the research and what I say can easily be seen and tracked. Lots of the so called sources you speak of are in the echo chamber so you are pretty much reading the same mis information over and over. What I said is solid.
@imt588
Reading is important, what you are saying is mis quoting and mis representing the information.
@Ju
The 176 of the Ps4 and the 201 of the X1 are said to be there practical usage numbers. Using the tiling techniques confirmed and demonstrated at the builder conference the X1 could easily fill those texture buffers using the directX11.2.

And if these rumors are true which would seem to be the case. The Ps4 has 4.5gbs reserved for games with 1 gb available if needed making 5.5gbs. The X1 has 5gbs reserved for games and has been stated that the hypervisor of the system could allow access to another 2gbs making 7gb. You cant just say well Ps4 can access more and the ONE cant when the ONE was the first one talking about accessing more ram. And technically the ONE has 5.32-7.32 of ram (we forget to count the eSram is still ram).

From what I see its not a matter of mine is bigger than yours. Its a matter of fighting style. I think the Ps4 is a power fighter, big muscles strong a lot of natural ability, while the X1 is a fit fighter still strong but is a more skilled fighter more finesse and technique.

Like the the Ps4 can just rush you punch you and over power you to win a fight where the X1 uses technique and style it can wear you down out think the opponent and knock them out or arm bar them triangle choke and make them submit. These techniques harder to learn but can be just as if not more effective than brute force.
JohnnyBadfinger  +   366d ago
Hahahahahaha! Lolol your precious ps4 and 7gb dedicated RAM is gone!!!
Lololol sorry but its too much for one person to bare.
Did you idiots really think they would fit all the non related gaming features plus DVR in 1gb of RAM!?

It ain't a rumour it's a reality. You guys said it yourselves "the ps4 can only do everything the xboxone does and better" that right there means more ram!

Hilarious!

Im telling you all should wait until both the Xbox and ps4 launch before purchasing
Both consoles still have a lot of information to come out!
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miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   366d ago
I love that the Sony fans have made the original story "failed" on N4G. Boy they sure don't want that rumor up... yet somebodies rumor from GAF, every marks as interesting.

Hilarity.
Ghost_of_Kuturagi   366d ago | Spam
adventureghost124  +   366d ago
dedicatedtogamers, You are incredible, Bubble for you
Ju  +   366d ago
edonus, you're really getting out of your way here.

You must be a math genius. All you need in live is addition, right? I mean, why not, let's just add the eSRAM and make it 8.032GB (btw, you forgot a zero and let's just round the 1024 to plain 1k, shall we? - 1024MB = 1GB, FYI).

Anyhow, what you call "real world" are benchmark use cases. I might even believe that you could read and write a couple of useless bytes, extrapolate it over some time frame and sell it as "oh, look, I can do 201GB/s". And then you go and sell it to the marketing department. Because that's all that's worth. It might take you another 7 years to actually do something useful with it - if at all.

And even if you do, you still miss a couple of CUs which could do something with those now lightning fast NOPs.

BTW: I don't really give a crap about 5.5GB, 4.5 or 7. Next gen can't come early enough. That's all that matters. Whatever it takes to make those games. It isn't really unexpected Sony is keeping more reserved for the system - and probably apps besides games. This thing sure will multitask just fine.
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StanSmith  +   365d ago
Sony have issued a statement to DF!

We would like to clear up a misunderstanding regarding our "direct" and "flexible" memory systems. The article states that "flexible" memory is borrowed from the OS, and must be returned when requested - that's not actually the case.

The actual true distinction is that:

"Direct Memory" is memory allocated under the traditional video game model, so the game controls all aspects of its allocation
"Flexible Memory" is memory managed by the PS4 OS on the game's behalf, and allows games to use some very nice FreeBSD virtual memory functionality. However this memory is 100 per cent the game's memory, and is never used by the OS, and as it is the game's memory it should be easy for every developer to use it.
We have no comment to make on the amount of memory reserved by the system or what it is used for.

So basically both Consoles have 5GB available. Now all you fanboys can crawl back under the bridges you came from and stop bickering over which is better!
tuglu_pati  +   366d ago
5.5 GB for games confirmed?
Skips  +   366d ago
Do people really believe Killzone SF and The Dark Sorcerer ALREADY used nearly all of PS4's available RAM???

http://www.videogamer.com/p...
http://www.dualshockers.com...

lol
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starchild  +   366d ago
Yes, it actually fits together perfectly.

Why would developers that like to push visuals as far as possible simply not use a bunch of the available memory?

If the PS4 has 4.5 GB of available RAM it explains perfectly why those games and tech demos were just under that amount.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   366d ago
More like "Nothing for Anyone Besides a indie Dev to Worry About"

How much RAM does indie devs need? They have access to plenty.
SnotyTheRocket  +   366d ago
Why does anyone care? It's 5 GIGS, even if its true. NO games use more than 4, at least in my experience. Calm down people. Why is this an issue?
gapecanpie  +   366d ago
Not yet anyway... but think about a year in a half from now when games (Mostly PC games) start using 5GB and then a year after that 6GB and so on and the console systems will have to get water down crappy ports.
no_more_heroes  +   366d ago
Because it was supposed to be a slight against the x1 only.

Now that there's a slight (unconfirmed) possibility for it being true for the other side, it no longer matters.

Fanboys *smh*
Raven722  +   366d ago
@gapecanpie

Considering that we've been getting games like Halo 4 and The Last of Us on consoles with only half a gig of RAM, I don't think we need to worry about that. Watered down versions of games will come mostly, if not entirely, from the CPU and GPU of the two consoles being weak by comparison. That will happen long before developers can complain about lacking RAM.
DiRtY  +   366d ago
Ahhh that is what we needed. Another indie developer working on $10 games clarifying everything for us...
JackVagina  +   366d ago
i bet he still knows more then you do kid
ALLWRONG  +   366d ago
Funny how fast these are getting buried by N4G. Suddenly this kind of thing isn't allowed on here? N4G is so biased might as well add the official Sony seal of approval.

The PS4 has a bottleneck just like the PS3.
DOOMZ  +   366d ago
Check out the article on IGN:
http://www.ign.com/articles...
Blaze929  +   366d ago
i love how that sony rumor was hated so much on this site that it got yanked down. oh the reports, gotta love the hypocrisy on this site.

http://n4g.com/news/1320057...

and that's exactly what happened...
lgn15  +   366d ago
I always wondered why the powerful ps4 just didn't have any games to show it beside killzone.
nosferatuzodd  +   366d ago
ill only believe this when sony said it
thedon8982z  +   366d ago
I truly believe that certain people what to hurt Sony anyway possible and that this whole RAM debacle is simply from non-finalized Dev-kits..Right now the OS is still being finalized... but the biggest Problem I see from some dumb-ass people is they keep looking at the numbers only...PEOPLE REMEMBER THE PS4 IS USING GDDR5..GET THAT... THIS IS A TRUE ADVANTAGE BY ITSELF AND ALSO SONY MUST FUTURE PROOF THE CONSOLE ASS-WELL!! My personal belief is that once everything is finalized and streamlined the ps4 will most likely use about 6 gigs of ram for games and 2 for the OS!!!!
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Ausbo  +   366d ago
WHY is everyone making such a fuss?? 5.5 gigs is plenty for games. Remember how much this gen has??? like 256mb.

I never understood why the ps fanboys ripped on the xbox for only being able to use 5-6 gigs of ram for games. This is plenty for both systems.
thetruthx1  +   366d ago
As I suspected it will come down to games. Now there really isn't a big difference in the two systems
KillrateOmega  +   366d ago
So...what? That was pretty unclear.

Should players not be worried, because the rumor is false? Or is the rumor true and he's saying that players won't have to worry, because they won't be the ones making the games and dealing with this 4.5GB - 5.5GB of RAM?
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Lovable  +   366d ago
He's not saying that the rumor is fake or true. It's just that whatever the outcome of the rumor is, we as a gamer shouldn't worry.
Dlacy13g  +   366d ago
I agree that is the message he is delivering. Games will still look/Play great.
wishingW3L  +   366d ago
I love how he says that when we are the ones paying $60 for the games. I mean, why we shouldn't worry about the fact that we are paying $400 for a console with half of its specs devoted to APPs and other garbage we don't care about when all we care is about having the best games we can get for $60. If I wanted a console with tons of APPs and crap I would buy a freaking gaming PC instead but consoles are for freaking game and the rest is only secondary but games should always come first!
dboyc310  +   366d ago
We had less than 1GB this Gen and did you care? Of course not no one did.
HiddenMission  +   366d ago
Yes we did...Skyrim says high. RAM for open world games is beyond important and less is very bad. For things like particle effects it makes a huge difference.

I can't tell you how many games I love but because of RAM restrictions the titles suffered greatly.
Koyes  +   366d ago
I do not care for the multimedia aspect! I buy a console for the gaming and, if true, which I pray is not the case, then nearly half the RAM is going to be used for thing that are not related to gaming. This feels like such a slap in the face because people have been crucifying MS for its focus on the non gaming aspect and to see Sony do the same just makes me worry for the future of gaming as a whole.
Redempteur  +   366d ago
@hiddenmission

There are plenty of openworld games that worked perfectly ...and some that are still planned for current consoles.

Skyrim would have been an issue if the engine wasn't an horrible mess and bethesda was actually spending money for it to work smootly on more PC setups and consoles
If skyrim was managing his data properly, they wouldn't need such an insane amount of ram to work.
Bethesda should learn how to code before wanting more.
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AznGaara  +   366d ago
You know... They're plenty of amazing games that DONT have über amazing graphics or use 4gbs of RAM...
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HiddenMission  +   366d ago
true but I'm buying my 2 PS4's for two reasons 1st the major graphical jump and 2nd because of the advanced connected gaming culture infrastructure.
strifeblade  +   366d ago
@hidden missions
Really you are buying two ps4s for 2 reasons? lemme guess well you need one ps4 to play games and ANOTHER one to... develop games? LMAO JOKES

Yeah i am buyin 1 xbox one for one reason ands ill give you a hint its not because i want to develop games (eventhough i can).LMAO JOKES!
Koyes  +   366d ago
Agreed. What really feels like a punch in the stomach is that, if the rumour is true, nearly half the ram is reserved for features not gaming related at all. I do not want the entertainment I love so much to be destroyed by social media and other non gaming related features :( the day that happens is the day I hang up my controller
xReDeMpTiOnx  +   366d ago
Why are people worrying?

Look at ps3, they squeezed every bit of juice out of that system for years and it had tons less ram. The games got progressively better and better. I think people tend to forget the talent of Sony first party studios.

Look at the last of us right at the end of the ps3 lifecycle and look how great it looks, the same will be done with the ps4
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Campy da Camper  +   366d ago
Agreed. The Last of Us used half a GB. Can you imagine if they made a sequel with 9 times the power? Jesus!
Majin-vegeta  +   366d ago
Why no over 9000 times the power??:(
slampunk  +   366d ago
I totally agree mate and actually think this is a smart move by Sony if true....They need to make sure their OS isn't slow and awkward in comparison to XB1...

TLOU as you mention was developed with 512MB....that is simply astonishing!!! and was an amazing game....

I'm not sure how much of the pS3 ram is reserved for OS but lets say it's 50-100MB, that around 400-450mb for the game....

that's still about a 10-12x difference.....

lets just say that Sony knows better than us.....
strifeblade  +   366d ago
last of us had small and confined environments with not very man enemies on screen at once... Yeah it seems inline with what 512mb of ram can do- or what any game can do this gen for that matter lol
jobboy  +   366d ago
i preordered my ps4 just to play games...and i am really disappointed that half of that supposed super-fast ram will be wasted for applications and social networking. Now it starts to be clear why we can forget detailed 1080@60fps.
Disappointed...really disappointed
GraveLord  +   366d ago
Consoles can't just have barebones multimedia functions these days. Apps and multitasking are standard on smartphones. Would you really want a PS4 that only plays games and has a slow unreponsive OS like the PS3?

I don't. I want both proper games and multimedia support. PS4 offers this. I am not a "hardcorez gamer". I watch TV. I watch movies. I use Netflix.
jobboy  +   366d ago
ps3 mediaserver works flawless on my "old" and unresponsive ps3...Come on 3.5gb is totally exaggerated considering sony was planning for 0,5 to 1gb max
admiralvic  +   366d ago
While you might not care for the "pointless" applications, they're a huge selling point for the system. To buy a simply wifi Bluray player will cost you roughly $100 dollars (assuming you don't find a killer deal and buy someone with well known brand name) and even then I've seen those prove to be quite slow / clunky in actual practice. To get a good steaming unit you're probably going to be paying $50+ dollars and up to $100 (minus the BD uses) just to get a steaming experience on par with the 360 / PS3 now. Since next gen won't support last gen and many people use these functions now, it just makes sense to include them. Plus it's good to know my system can do more than simply play games. If the cost of that is an absurd sum like 3 gb of ram, then so be it.

"Now it starts to be clear why we can forget detailed 1080@60fps."

As far as this goes, a lot of it has to do with the cost / money involved to make it happen. This gen a LOT of companies take a hit with the increase in cost to make a game and looked to DLC / other unpopular stances to fix it (true or not, this is what they're claiming). The simple fact is, not every company can afford to make games at that level of power, so even if it was possible, a lot of companies shy away because of the investment involved.
devwan  +   366d ago
This is a rumour from a highly iffy source, don't get too upset just yet.
strifeblade  +   366d ago
Iffy source? LOL... WELL MR.- where have we been getting all of our nexgen information from this whole time?

I'll give you a clue- it starts with "digital" and ends with "foundry".
colt-of-tipton  +   366d ago
Forza 5 is 1080p at 60fps and looks stunning so I think ps4 will be just fine.
PFFT  +   366d ago
It will be fine. The thing is that fanboys love to throw thing out of proportion. Ps4 and MS fanboys alike.
ginsunuva  +   366d ago
1080@60fps is gpu/cpu. Ram, not so much, just some vram from the gpu.
JackVagina  +   366d ago
Right cause ram is the major factor in resolution and frame rate

smh
Dlacy13g  +   366d ago
I really do agree that the 4.5GB of RAM for games isnt' something to worry about. The PS4 is still a great system...games will still look incredible as well. Really the only thing this will do is put expectations in check...and what I mean by that is games this generation on Xbox One and PS4 will be far closer than many initially figured given the previous initial thoughts of 7GB of RAM vs 5GB of RAM
Cmk0121  +   366d ago
people arent worried its not enough people are just pointing out sony said 7 for dev 1 for OS and MS was slammed for their allocations of ram for dev...now they are equal essentially and its no big deal thats why all the chatter. if this was MS the world be be on fire
Flyingdog670  +   366d ago
Sony never actually confirmed 7 Gigs for games and 1 gig for OS, it was just a rumor that people went along with.
ABeastNamedTariq  +   366d ago
I'm not going to respond to your comment about MS, I'm just saying that I could've sworn they said 7 GB for games at their reveal in February. That's why all these shenanigans are confusing me. Why would they do this when they explicitly (if my memory is right) said 7? Something's fishy to me.
unicron7  +   366d ago
Sony never announced 7 GB of RAM for devs. That was a rumor. They promised nothing and this is pretty much what I expected. The PS4 is still better on a technical level and cheaper. I'll be going with it.
Dlacy13g  +   366d ago
I think Mark Cerny may have said their current OS footprint was 1GB...the problem is that doesn't mean 7GB then are available to developers for games. I think many took him saying the OS was 1GB as well that is final and the rest of the system RAM will be for games. Clearly not the case.
nick309  +   366d ago
You guys know that you need plenty of ram to multitask web browsing& playing games at the same time and downloading at the same time. Its not suprising and not that bad .
NYC_Gamer  +   366d ago
I hope people aren't going crazy because quality content was created on consoles with a lot less ram.
Corpser  +   366d ago
Octodad developer not worried because Octodad looks like it doesnt need more than 1GB
kgeisler  +   366d ago
It's true, we're trying to keep our system requirements low so more people can play. This is certainly one of the sillier articles we've had regarding Octodad. :)
Cmk0121  +   366d ago | Well said
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO when MS announced 5 gb of ram for devs and 3 for OS and sony announced 7 gb of ram for game dev and 1 for OS the world was ablaze that Sony had more care and dedication to gaming side while MS was screwing off with too much media attention.....NOW that they are basically identical with allocations of ram for gamin an OS its not a backtrack or LIE on sonys part???HMMMMMMM hows that work
unicron7  +   366d ago
Sony never promised 7gb of RAM for games. It was all speculation and rumor. I could understand being upset if they had promised that...but they didn't. And even with the cut in 3 gigs of RAM, it is still a superior console on a technical level. GDDR5>DDR3. 1.8GHz> 1.4GHz. People seem to grasping at straws at Sony this past week over shit they don't understand. It's pretty sad to watch.
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testerg35  +   366d ago
Its not that Sony promised 7gb, but its how Sony fans constantly talk about how much more ram is available on the PS4. Sony fans stated it as FACT.
Hicken  +   366d ago
Who says they're identical?

Why would they go back on what they've already said for the OS?

And why would it take this long for this to come out?

None of it adds up. It's from a source that's been questionable in recent days, to boot.

It's really just a false rumor for you Xbox fanyboys to rally around, just like when you were all CERTAIN the PS4 would have the same DRM as the XB1.

Grasping at straws is pretty sad.
Tctczach  +   366d ago
Pretty sad you can't accept the truth.
TheFallenAngel  +   366d ago
If they can make amazing games like God of War 3, Last of Us and Uncharted with 512mb of ram, why would I be worried if they are only using 4-5 gb.
trafalger  +   366d ago
i dont know but it seems like people get excited over negative news around here.
Flyingdog670  +   366d ago
If this is true, why are we worried? If this was such a big deal, or even true, wouldn't the developers been all over it? From what I've read, most devs seem happy with what the PS4 offers and none are having problems with it. In all reality, i highly doubt this is true. Like i said before, Eurogamer have been spreading BS with their articles, they had a "Source" the claimed that the PS4 only recorded for 7 minutes, but Sony shot that down and confirmed it will record for 15 minutes. Sites like eurogamer are just fishing for hits without backing up their claims. I'm just gonna wait for confirmation, but if this is true, then i'll be highly dissapointed. Plus, didn't Mark Cenry confirm in February that a secondary chip will be used to handle recording and other OS features? If this is true, can someone give me link? Please and thank you.
EXVirtual  +   366d ago
I missed that! Cerny said they're using another chip for the OS?! If that's true (which i hope it is) We'll be seeing 1st and if we're lucky 3rd party games use the full 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. Have you found a link yet? If you have send it to me plz. But i guess we'll find out at gamescom, huh?
Flyingdog670  +   366d ago
"Cerny later added that the PS4 will feature a secondary custom chip that manages uploads and downloads of shared content and that "digital titles are available to play even as they download."

http://www.polygon.com/2013...
EXVirtual  +   366d ago
@Flyingdog670, you just debunked this! Spread this around the site man! Submit it maybe. I'm not gonna because you found it. Now we just need Sony to say this again! Thanks.
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THC CELL  +   366d ago
Can't anyone be happy and here why th. Games will look a lot better than what we have now, no matter what console you buy.
-Gespenst-  +   366d ago
Well personally the SNES proved you only need mere kilobytes of ram to make good, memorable, and unique games, but all the same, this OS / connectivity / social networking / extraneous feature bullcrap needs to stop. They're games consoles, and they shouldn't be anything more. This whole thing is just a thinly veiled cash-in.

4.5 / 5.5 is more than enough gddr5 ram to make good games, there's no question of that, but it's just a shame that the amount dedicated to games is taking a hit because of the preoccupations these games corporations have with silly mass culture trends. This kind of nonsense is certainly holding back games as a medium to be taken seriously; this and triple-A production values. Both these aspects necessitate reaching broad audiences and taking fewer risks because of a vacuous, cynical concern with profit.
ABeastNamedTariq  +   366d ago
Oh Sooonnny, you got some 'splainin to do!

I kid, I kid. But really though, Sony should confirm or debunk this fast before it gets too out of hand. Even if it is true, that's still a lot of RAM. Heck of a lot more than our current systems. Look at the TLOU. They did THAT with 256 MB of RAM! Imagine what ND can do with 4.5 (or 5.5, or 7) gigs of that stuff?
unicron7  +   366d ago
They really don't have to explain anything due to this not being real news. They never promised the full 8GB of RAM in the first place...and anyone who expected it is a fool for doing so. On a technical level...it's still better than the XB1 in more ways than one...so i don't get the bullshit.
ABeastNamedTariq  +   366d ago
Yeah I get what you're saying. I mean, I never expected 8 GB (and I hope others didn't) because they said (or at least I thought they said at the reveal) that 1 gig was reserved for the OS. I can't explicitly remember if they said the rest was for games or not, but I would assume so.

But still, I just want the rumor to be confirmed or denied so people can sit down already lol.
imt558  +   366d ago
You mean 512 MB RAM in PS3. Yes, PS3 OS use about 50 MB. So, 462 MB available.
first1NFANTRY  +   366d ago
weather it's 4.5 or 7gigs ND, SMM, GG etc will prove all the nay sayers wrong.

from the wise words of French Montana "i ain't worried bout nothing"
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unicron7  +   366d ago
How is this news? It was to be expected that the OS would take up 2-3 GB of RAM. People are so silly on here. It's still superior to the XB1...so I don't get what the big deal is... and Sony never promised a full 8 gigs for games...I swear the xbox fanboys on here will grasp at any straw they can. Pathetic more than anything.
badkolo  +   366d ago
no its not, and after this news , things arent looking to good
unicron7  +   366d ago
Uh, yes it is. People are seeing what they want and ignoring things. 1.8 GHz > 1.4 GHz. GDDR5 > DDR3. It is still faster and cheaper. You can't deny that. If you do, then you are lying to yourself. And things are looking fine for Sony. What have they backpedaled on or lied to us about with the PS4? They didn't promise 7 GB of RAM for devs. Never did. This is all some concocted bullshit and a lame attempt at straw grasping.
XabiDaChosenOne  +   366d ago
I am going to call BS on the eurogamers claims since they used KZSF slides as reference as to why there is only 5.5 gigs available for gaming when the KZSF demo was made with only 4 gigs of ram in mind. There is little to no reason why a developer would get excited for a .5/1 gig increase.
Now if this information turns out to be true (which it probably won't) I'm not getting a PS4 anytime soon since I don't need another device in my house with multimedia functions.
Koyes  +   366d ago
I pray it is bullshit. I do not give a F*** about social features. I only care about the games and I do not want the RAM nearly halfed for non gaming related crap
jobboy  +   366d ago
this! +bubble
EXVirtual  +   366d ago
Man this rumor is everywhere. Also, some of you guys said the rumor was dismissed on NeoGaf? Can you send me a link plz :). I really would prefer 7GB of GDDR5 RAM for games, but the best thing to do is wait. I'm sure people will be sending this rumor to Yoshida through twitter.Guess we'll have to wait and see. I really don't care about all the multimedia functions (which Sony seems to understand more than MS) and the share button is cool and all, but I just want the next gen games.
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Dlacy13g  +   366d ago
Not dismissed... GAF has blown up over this, a few have posted scenarios for why it would be this way now and not final but others are coming forward with devs saying much the same as here. Same numbers, but its not a concern for them.

Bottom line... Sony needs to respond unless they want this to continue to spin out of control.
ANIALATOR136  +   366d ago
someone needs to tweet shuhei yoshida lol
_FantasmA_  +   366d ago
Spin out of control? Yeah I can totally see people rioting and looting because of this.
Dlacy13g  +   366d ago
It would be really nice if Sony just stepped up and addressed this. Confirm or deny it but letting this continue to fester isn't going to go well.
badkolo  +   366d ago
you guys need to chill, you can always get a real next gen console and get the x1. just kidding, im sure this is just a rumor, 3.5 sounds rather high and i doubt this rumor is true
Cryptcuzz  +   366d ago
I am confused at this rumor for the OS to take up as much as 2.5 GB of the available memory when the PS4 was designed initially with just 4 GB of GDDR5 memory.

That means the OS had to be designed around the 4 GB of memory from the get go right?

Keeping that in mind, it does not make sense for Sony then to all of a sudden bump up the total memory to 8 GB at the PS4 reveal in February, to only have the additional 4 GB of memory be used up by the OS almost entirely.

I hope this rumor proves false and an official or more credible source comes out to confirm or deny this. I'd love it if it was the rumored 7 GB available with 1 GB for OS, but whatever it ends up being, I am sure Sony has a good reason why they would drastically change up the OS foot print like this (If true)
badkolo  +   366d ago
there is no way it is using 3.5g for the os, it doesnt come with the cam so there deosnt need to be ram reserved for that, and thjere isnt 3 os's running on it like the x1, so while i find the news funny because the bots are running around in circles defendning it, i truly doubt its true and im sure sony will be refuting it shortly.
Cryptcuzz  +   366d ago
There is always a way that is possible unless we get an official confirmation or denial on this matter. I for one agree that is a lot of memory reserved just for the OS and cannot see why, when even bloated PC OS does not even need that much.

The rumor had to have come from somewhere, the question is whether the source is credible or not. I will point out that the author of this article is kind of sketchy lately, with running with misinformation like 7 minutes for the sharing feature on the PS4 to only shortly after be debunked.

Let's see how this will pan out.
Drainage  +   366d ago
says the guy making "Octodad"
SynestheticRoar  +   366d ago
O K. So Sony lied damn company's need to stop lying. Act like their running for office.
yewles1  +   366d ago
I can't believe the stupidity in these comments... "OOOH!!! The PS4 is similar, so that automatically makes the XBOX ONE BETTER!!!" If people want to support this crap on either console, I now know who to blame.

I called it long ago...
http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...
kewlkat007  +   366d ago
Nice..that you did. I think you can still have nice games and have a console do more...just optimize the OS and add more RAM..
PFFT  +   366d ago
That you did.
blackstrr411  +   366d ago
Sony bots are pathetic. In a parralel universe if the heading was x1 rather ps4 things would have bn different. All ofa sudden everyones an engineer when it comes to ps4. Get a grip.
PablitoPaperito  +   366d ago
LOL look at the 180° Sony fanboyez r doin!

Not even M$ coud touch that.

All of a sudden 5.5 GB is "plenty"!!

U boasted the 7gb ram figure around for weeks LMAO!

ahahahah
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GiantEnemyCrab  +   366d ago
It is funny and even funnier that they delete the top story because it's a rumor but a reply to the same rumor which in fact is itself a rumor is okay.

Bottom Line is the games are going to be great!
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black0o  +   366d ago
still
5.5 >> 5 #dealwithit xD
PFFT  +   366d ago
It varies.
teezy  +   366d ago
I don't really care as I don't think this will make a difference. If the games are designed to use this much RAM then surely it's all good.

GDDR5 or GDDR3...doesn't really matter.
PablitoPaperito  +   366d ago
It's DDR3(+Esram pool) vs GDDR5
kewlkat007  +   366d ago
If true, thi sis actually a good thing for Sony and PS4. For years we have been saying XBL has been better overall then PSN..and if they are reserving that much just means there could be more OS/App related features being added now and later...

Stop saying I cannot see why so much ram for the OS, because you do not know what SONY has planned and how much RAM it takes for things that they have talked about.

Microsoft is a software company and they have already shown what the XBone can do while your gaming...etc I hope it is as fast as it was on that stage but they are not hiding the fact that these gaming devices will be able to do a lot more then just playing games. Sony tends to hype hardware advantages but rarely talk about the software side and how that will work overall.

I've already said these console cannot match scalable PCs year on year..So it is in the best interest of MS and Sony to allocate as much RAM as they can for the future endeavors.
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PablitoPaperito  +   366d ago
Wait I thought the XBone OS' functionality was "a gimmick" and "useless" and u ppl wanted a true 100% game oriented machine?

LOL
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