Clickonline writes, "There’s a decent amount of doom and gloom shadowing all things Xbox One related, but is it really all that bad? Microsoft has put out an impressive slate of exclusive titles and IPs, plus there are particular benefits that only the Xbox One can offer..."
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No one is being harsh on Microsoft they are only reacting how one should react when hearing such news.
The only good think about ms xbone is they seem to have a lot of good launch games coming for it.
They pretty much showed everything they have in the pipeline for the next 2 years.
That's why most of it were just trailers
To compare
Ryse
Forza
Mine Craft
Dead Rising 3
Kinnect Sports Rivals
PS4
Killzone: ShadowFall
Drive Club
Knack
The Witness
Warframe
Minecraft again, Ryse looks terrible and kinect sports.Just leaves Forza and DR3 as far as must haves in my opinion.
Edit: I didn't disagree with you by the way.Don't know where those 3 came from so quick
For me Forza and Dead rising are killer apps, while the Ps4 line does not interest me at all.
I do however am proud that a fellow dutch company is able to pull of such an impressive game as Killzone, but it just isnt my cup of tea.
And quite frankly, the rest you mentioned doesnt even deserve to be in the same sentence as Killzone.
btw, Killer instinct is also launching this year.
I bet there will be quite a lot of people that will buy an X1 just for MC. A lot of people upload LP's and other videos of them playing MC. If they can create bigger worlds without frame rate drops and such, it will make them happy.
I do agree with you though, the launch titles aren't great overall. I will get both consoles at some point, but probably not at launch. The only game that interests me from MS at launch is DR3. Killzone would be the only game I would get on the PS4 at launch.
I will most likely wait till more games are released before I get either console. If it takes a year, then I will wait a year. I still have a PS3, 360 and a Wii U, I also have a ton of games to buy for all 3 consoles. I am also getting a 3DS this month, so that's more games to enjoy.
Microsoft have pretty much shown everything they have, considering they had to. lol
Sony still has more bombs to drop...
http://www.playstationlifes...
On topic... Ms has brought this on themselves. Action breeds reaction. What some cheerleaders should be hoping is that the harsh reactions actually alter ms's stance on a few things. Some can front all they want on forums; behind closed doors you know some of them must be pissed if even just a little.
No, let's be. Let's be as harsh as possible so the message is quite clear.
This device and it's policies established by Microsoft are the very enemy of the gamer.
Just as bad is watching people defend Microsoft not out of genuine belief in the Xbone but instead driven by ego, misplaced loyalty, and the unwillingness to admit their support for the Xbone was erred.
EA themselves stated that they never asked for DRM. It is beginning to look as if DRM is a Microsoft policy and they attempted to get publishers on board with a policy that serves corporations instead of consumers. How is that worthy of loyalty?
Gamers first should be their warcry and mantra instead of sticking to a point of view that may have been somewhat valid when it was the unknown Xbox 720. However now that the curtain is lifted things are far from that moment in time.
No one worthy of your time is going to sit around and point a finger at you yelling "Nana nana boo boo, told you so!" Instead you are going to hear "Welcome aboard and welcome to the fight!" And this is a fight for gamers rights.
Supporting the Xbone is a far far cry from being a Xbox 360 loyalist. Backing Microsoft makes you the enemy of consumer protection, buyer rights, and the idea of "gamers first".
Whoa, whoa, whoa slow down there...
I was agreeing with you up until the point you said the rest of the PS4 games do not deserve to be up there with Killzone.
Didn't you just say " That's really opinion, whether the lineup is strong or not"? contradicting yourself a little there.
Anyway I agree the Xbox One has a great lineup and to some people it's better than Sony's, but the Xbox One console is an absolute disgrace, you already know all of the problems and it's only Microsoft holding themselves back with such an anti consumer console. Therefore it's a no buy from anyone who actually cares about their rights. Until Microsoft rectify these problems then the games simply don't matter, for me at least anyway.
I strongly disagree...
lets be very harsh.. so MS have no choice and change the policies!!!
also dont buy it.. or you will have very limited future!!!
http://www.kotaku.com.au/20...
Ryse was just a QTE fest,two to 3 hits and a QTE,rinse and repeat ! it was just awful even if it did have good graphics.
Mine craft support for Xbox1 is just a slap in the face for every other talented indie dev out there,they took a game which has 6 million potential followers and left the new and fresh indie devs games for a quick cash-in from Mine Craft.
Quantum Break is an interesting idea,but until I see some gameplay footage,I refuse to fall to MS game.
couldn't see any other Xbox1 exclusive that was interesting.
PS :
Killer Instinct is another IP that MS ruined,making the game F2P with only one character available(Jago) and the rest are a "must pay to get".
@Foxgod
Never said KI doesn't looked great,but that F2P bull MS pulled on a recognizable franchise that fans were waiting for a decade and more is just unforgivable.
While i agree on half you said, i personally think KI looks great.
Fall to what?? We saw the in game engine and the premise behind the game which was impressive. By your logic we shouldn't even consider The Order or even GTA 5.
I'm getting both systems. And while I'm hoping MS changes some of their policies, I'm also fully aware that Sony will probably screw me on Gaikai, either it will be expensive with added fees or it will be something they give a half assed effort on, roll out some gimped version of what they said they'd have and then pretend like it never happened.
As a matter of fact i find the PS4's and X1's launch lineup quite week (in relation to exclusive games).
Rest of the games for 2013 i find interesting, most of them I'll purchase on PC and some on PS3: Watch Dogs (PC), AC4 (PC), Batman (PC), Battlefield 4 (PC), XCOM (PC), Wasteland 2 (PC), Shadowrun Returns (PC), The Witness (I think this is going to be released on PC this year), Flashback (PC), Beyond: Two Souls (PS3), Last of Us (PS3), GTA 5(PS3).
The problem is we have a few key members here on N4G who have hated the Xbox brand for many years and this new direction by Microsoft has played right into their hands to keep trolling and now be even more vocal. What you will notice, which to me is ironic, are the ones that are most loyal to Sony seem to still be talking about the Xbox more than the Playstation. How weird is that?
The Xbone will have a great line-up and will roll out very smoothly compared to the other new systems. The cloud they are marketing will be ready to go at launch as well and that to me is the next gen. of gaming.
My God, this generation......
'It is now Microsoft's job to prove to us why it's a good move'
You actually want their pr to make you forget the reasons the effed up basically. Not sure who holds the crown...you or foxgod...smh. When a drunk driver crashes a car and injures somebody..there is no pr to fix if or make people forget...he was drunk
I think what you'll find is many of your tormentors are playing the potential game of the gen right about now. During breaks they'll be back
"But the question is any of the talk good and you call being launched in specific countries smooth?? "
They listed the countries that will be launching. My country is one of them.
"My God, this generation......"
Every generation opens up new possibilities. If you don't want to be part of it then don't be. Steam took PC gaming to a new generation which is all digital and no used games. Nintendo took gamers in a new direction with the Wii and offered something different. Microsoft is trying to go a different direction with Kinect in every system, always online and DRM restrictions but still allow some flexibility.
@Why o why
"You actually want their pr to make you forget the reasons the effed up basically. Not sure who holds the crown...you or foxgod...smh. When a drunk driver crashes a car and injures somebody..there is no pr to fix if or make people forget...he was drunk"
This isn't even a rational response nor does it deserve a rational reply.
Sure, there's still Quantum Break, Dead Rising 3, Ryse, Forza 5, Halo 5 and Sunset Overdrive, but those aren't enough to sell the system. I wouldn't be surprised if the first three titles would end up on other platforms eventually.
" Shoryuken.com caught a bit of the "Killer Instinct" livestream with representatives of Double Helix who clarified how the F2P model is going to work. First, you can buy a full downloadable version of the game with all of the characters and modes, but they'll be offering a trial mode with online functionality enabled and Jago as the starting character. From there, players can purchase additional characters, modes, and features.]"
And you shouldn't be worried about it not being developed by Rare, as the name is the only thing left that's in common with the golden age of Rare, its far better in another developers hands.
and for me... i love the PS4 price and no restrictions, but i also love X1`s launch line up and the friends and family feature..... i know ill end up with both... looks like im gonna be skint :( lol
http://www.reactiongifs.com...
At least regarding physical copies!
Is that ROCKET SCIENCE !?
@Foxgod
Oh WOW thank you MS,thank you for doing what Sony did LAST GEN ! and even then Sony backed up from that policy(lowering the people you can share with from 5 to 2),I wonder how MS will pull that off ? for maybe an EXTRA fee ? :)
“The only limitation, it seems, is that only one person can be playing the shared copy of a single game at any given time,” Ars Technica reported after speaking with Microsoft Xbox Chief Marketing and Strategy Officer Yusuf Mehdi
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LOL !!
@studio
What are you talking abotut, on your XB1 you can even loan your games to 10 people in your list, even if they live on the other side of the planet.
If that aint owning, i dont know what is.
Also: Why should MS treat me as a criminal by checking my activity online? I have no use for them "auditing" my game system. Perhaps they have some small text that allows them to do so in the papers provided with the XB one. If they do, all the more reason not to buy their Cr*p.
And for the record: i do own an XBOX360.
2. Limiting the amount of people you can actually share the product with
3. Controlling who you can sell the product to
4. Privacy of owning that product
If any other entertainment medium decided to do that with their physical copies mandatory, it would be business suicide unless it is a rental company like Netflix......
Microsoft only enforce these actions because they see how rabid gamers can be about anything, good or bad, and believe they can be easily swayed with just graphics. I mean their practices are already limiting their sales in other countries and Germany already called it's policies "a twisted nightmare".
Answer this, why should I pay 100 dollars extra for a leash?
Means we, as consumers, get to sell something we bought. It's what allows us to sell every damn thing else on the planet after we bought it.
The XBO removes that. Not quite entirely, but entirely too much.
- The right of having the freedom to being able to buy/sell used games to whom and when I want to.
- The right of having the freedom of lending my property to my friends and family.
- The right of having the freedom to take MY property to any country in this planet and be able to use it.
- The right of not having to ask permission to use MY property.
- The right of having the freedom to do whathever the hell I want with MY property.
And the funny thing (not really) is that I'm not sure if I mentioned every anti-consumer policy that MS is going to implement in the industry because I lost count of how many there are.
Edit @ Mike
http://www.joystiq.com/2012...
From article:
"The exclusive right of distribution of a copy of a computer program covered by such a licence is exhausted on its first sale," the court has found."
EULA's mean nothing. Here in Europe the xbone is a class action lawsuit waiting to happen.
No its not rocket science to read a EULA on pretty much every piece of software known to man that states in some form or another that you do not own the software. It is licensed to you. The only people who own the software are the devs and pubs.
That's problem here. Community members are saying they are taking away their rights yet don't even know their rights. Its common thought to think that when you buy software, it is yours to do as please. It is not. How else the kid lost the case with Sony about the removal of OS support? He didn't understand the EULA either
Yes, the act of enforcing it is exhaustive. Still if a company chooses to enforce it, it is will within their right to do so. Your purchase of the product is your signature of compliance. You guys are late to the party from your own perspectives because you guys should have spoke up since 360's inception. Hell, even before that.
Consumers have to understand you don't fully own a product to which you can do what ever you want. There are limitations, and requirements that need to be respected, and ms is making sure it is respected with in the terms of existence.
That goes for all products.
Just for giggles I picked up the three PS3 games I have sitting on my desk. Ni No Kuni, Ninja Gaiden 3, and Batman: Arkham Asylum.
I flipped through the manuals/disclaimer leaflets, and not in a single one did I see a EULA that stated I could not resell the game, or that there was any sort of license attached to that game. In fact there was no EULA whatsoever. Nor did I read anything on the box that stated I had to agree to any sort of licensing terms. Nor do I recall ever having to agree to any sort of licensing term for any game I've put into the system before it allowed me to play it. At most, there is a disclaimer about online play, only stating that the publisher could not be held accountable for what happens with online play, and that you agree to abide by the TOS of the server.
So my question to all these people who say we don't own the software on the disc...Where does it explicitly imply such a thing? Where is this information kept so I can even review it?
The truth is...it doesn't exist. There is no explicit EULA for a game retail disc. So stop the BS. What you speak of with EULA applies only to DD and any software that explicitly provides that information to the end user, such as WOW, where you have to scroll through one before you can play it.
Even if it said I can't lend or lease, which I don't recall and not at my desk to verify, that doesn't preclude sale. The thing about legal contracts is that they have to be explicit. That's why they're so wordy, and why no one reads them.
The only games where I've had to agree to an EULA were online games, or online components of a game. Assumed acceptance by a companies EULA posted somewhere, without express agreement by the end user is not binding. So even if they had it on their website, I wouldn't have to follow those rules, again, unless I expressly agreed to it before opening/playing the game.
Systems themselves have EULA's, and you have to agree to their terms before being able to use it. But to my knowledge, Console makers do not have binding authority to dictate a publishers terms of use.
Perhaps you can point me to where the EULA is located on those games. Or provide that information for some other games. I have 200 PS3 games, so it's likely you can find a couple that I would have. I'd really like to see these mythical EULA's that you speak of.
I dont want any pimps in my hobby, restricting me and dictating me what to do.
Just the fact that all the games someone will pay for xbox one, will one day, once the servers stop, be unplayable and worthless, is enough to be as harsh as hell with them.
I do hope MS sells their One, because the console market is no very competitive as it is at the moment. However, they should take their DRM , region coding and product activation ( used games ) and shove it up their ***** ( trying to keep this somewhat decent, but one gets my drift )
The thing is due this fall but game sharing isnt available...so there goes the ass kicking...
Me-"Nia i hope they are planning on getting rid of that. I understand its about business but its like their taking away our rights to trade in a game we wouldnt like. If sony & nintendo can do it, I dont see why microsoft cant do the same? Maybe with a firmware update? I hope they do because Ryse & Titanfall look really cool but those restrictions need to go."
Her-"Hey cuddie! i totally agree with you no doubt! see due to their statictics gathered, they figured since majority of XBOX games and hardware are most likely to end up being traded in (it gets old fast) where playstation can push out games and hardware faster, if you walk into a game stop store u cant help but notice that XBOX does not move too quick and value drops...so if they take away the rights of XBOX gamers they are less likely.....
That is what she told me that in order for them to stop it, alot of ppl have to complain in order for them to take the restrictions away but the question is how many? We will never know, thats up to the head of microsoft. Pain in the azz if u ask me.
U must be a little kid to not understand whats going on. If all that on that picture isnt taking away gamers rights then u definitely are delusional.
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possibly better physics and ALL your friends will be playing it on the PS4 so the experience will be better.
As a registered poster on GAF, IGN, and Eurogamer as well as N4G, let me assure you Microsoft is the butt of everyone's jokes EVERYWHERE. I see casuals making funnies on Facebook and Yahoo for Pete's sake. Open your eyes man. This is obviously a pro-Sony website but to think this "hatred" is a secular event occurring only here is a bit asinine.
During his interview with Doritos King after E3, Peter Moore intimated all the demos were done with PCs approximating the console hardware, including PS4 as final dev kits for both companies weren't finalized in time for E3. There simply was enough time.
None of that matters if the entire console is designed around restrictive gaming.
NOW, ever since Microsoft made known of their Xbox One POLICIES, my only concern has been on the daily authentication check. For a single-player gamer as myself, is this daily authentication check tied to: (a) Xbox-Live supported country/region OR (b) provided an Internet Connection exists (not IP-locked)? If it's the latter, then Microsoft, you will get my money for the console and just for a few of its exclusives... this next-gen around, multi-platform titles will only populate the PlayStation 4 and PC libraries.
MICROSOFT, get yourselves in order... you exist because of us, GAMERS... we can also make you disappear.
I say ***k 'em. Let's rub it in their faces for the whole generation.
Karma is a bitch, you deserve it.
the xbox launch line up is not weak by any means,ryse looked like game of the show to me people were trying to dismiss it at a QTE game,the developers made it clear QTE's are not mandatory but help upgrade your characters execution skills perhaps a day one buy but deff a buy.
Forza,the game that has been outselling and getting better rating than the gran turismo series(in the united states)? you want to write this off as not a huge launch title? forza is huge.
Minecraft,yeah well its minecraft expect it to set the sales record for xb1 arcade games,basically a big seller.
Dead rising 3 may be microsofts deadlist weapon (pun much much intened),i know people who have picked xb1 over ps4 just for this game and others who are so upset its only on xbox lol,personally i dont care for it but the inect integration is cool,you make noise in your room and the zombies will come after you,brilliant. Kinect integration will be the difference maker in most cases unlike the ps move it will suffer from fragmentation.
Kinect rivals if priced at $49 which it should be will sell like hot cakes,you guys get caught up on these forums but i work in retail and customers love kinect and the first thing they ask is "do it have the bowling game like wii" and when you tell them yes and how you have to actually pick up and throw the ball with you hand,not a wand,its a sell everytime,lets not forget the kinect did 10 million units in 2 months breaking a world record.
http://www.techhive.com/art...
all the line up is missing is halo game but it would over shawdowed by cod and bf 4 anyways.
as far as ps4 goes,line up is weak,the witness looks like a dreamcast game,if i want confusing puzzle games ill get "fez",witness is weak and the sales will prove it,idk one person who wants that game lol.
Killzone 4 is without a doubt there strongest title,but do you really think people are going to buy killzone over call of duty or battlefield 4? dont think so,i mean it will sell but it wont be anything impressive,which has to be frustrating for sony,killzones never sell amazingly well but are suppose to exude everything the playstation stands for....restistance was suppose to be the halo killer....now insomniac is making exclusives for xbox,funny how that works.
infamous looks cool,i never got it too thought,all i know is i have a million infamous 2 marked down to $20 in my stock room,another good game but not a system seller.
Drive club looks cool but it's main appeal is its free,cant argue with free,but i like the game "the crew" better which is multiplatform.
So to me its sony with weak launch line up,why not gives fans a god of war,uncharted,twisted metal,gt5 something that says ok i have to buy one now,not in the future.
Actually everyone said they liked microsfots launch titles and games better,it was only sony $399 price everyone loves which says to me no one plans on getting move or they opt for the xbox one so price is a double edge sword really,also dont count out dumb customers a lot people think the ps3 is still new,seeing a ps4 and a new xbox would lead a person to think the xbox is newer with the price point of $499,i have people who ask whats the new ipad? ok can i have it AND people want to complain about $499 its the same price as a shitty as ipad,i wont even get into that rant. leave me some disagrees i love fighting sony fan boys,this site is like the breeding ground for sony fanboys lol,say you think the xbox one is cool and you 56 disgrees lol
They must suffer the relentless onslaught so that some of the ideas penetrate their corporate skulls.
A failing business model will just lead to another douchy model. We must persevere in hopes they understand why we are so pissed off.
Its not ok to build something and then piss all over your base by moving the goalpost, and then smile while you refer to us as uneducated.
Make it as bad as possible. Throw a rock at them too.