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PS4's Share Button Will Have Limitations, You Can't Upload Whatever You Want

"When Sony unveiled the next generation PlayStation 4 at their February 21st event, they also showcased the new DualShock 4 controller. It was a significant step up from the original DualShock, particularly in the new Share button taking the place of the Select button." (PS4)

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TacticProductionz  +   444d ago
Well ofcourse...You not gonna share everything and anything!! That would just be wrong lol.
Rashid Sayed  +   444d ago
Important point to be noted here is that developers can set restrictions in different sections of the game. In this way they will not allow uploading of those particular sections.
PLASTICA-MAN  +   444d ago
"For example, on Vita, developers can in certain scenes disable the feature that lets users take a screensho" ?
That's news for me. I didn't know about it. Any example?
-Alpha  +   444d ago
^ Probably areas where the game reveals spoilers?
Nitrowolf2  +   444d ago
@PLASTICA-MAN

Yep.
Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 on the PS Vita
MikeMyers  +   444d ago
It's going to be hard to think they can actually control this. People have put up the whole game of Heavy Rain on YouTube. We live in the information world full of spoilers.

There are those who get off ruining the experience for others and there are also those who do this stuff accidentally. I can see why they would want to put in restrictions but it still won't work.
creatchee  +   444d ago
I could see the share functionality disabled or limited in cases of music. Music seems to be a sticking point in relicensing everything from old TV shows to even relatively newer games because it isn't considered part of the work. In some extreme cases, particular songs are replaced, which definitely changes the original feel of something.

Also related, YouTube and other sharing sites mute audio or limit accessibility to videos that contain copyrighted music, so there's that to contend with even past the initial PS4 sharing limitations.

I understand why it's done, but it does kinda suck to have your videos muted or blocked. In my opinion, music will be the biggest factor that affects what is able to be shared.
abzdine  +   444d ago
Every social media has limitations in terms of online chart and confidentiality.
It is for example not allowed to share some types of videos on YouTube or some types of photos on FB end those boundaries are set by the owner of the service, the same should happen with Sony and share because it is subject to so many standard rules and agreements.

I dont see that as a limitation i see that as a customer and developer protection.
Blacktric  +   444d ago
"The creator may not want to make video of the final boss sharable, for instance,” Yoshida stated to 4Gamer.net (via Edge)."

"B-but you won't need an HD PVR with PS4."

Told you people to keep dreaming when you were yapping about how the share button was going to make HD PVRs obsolete for most users.
3-4-5  +   444d ago
The best use of this is for GTA5...if it ever gets to this platform...

All the crazy stuff you did others can now see.

I've done way cooler or crazier stuff with friends in that game than 95% of the GTA4 videos I've seen on youtube...

* Find a cool glitch or easter egg ? Instantly uploaded!
Dmarc  +   444d ago
@MikeMyers Well yea you can work around it using something else other than the share botton.But I think the point of the article was about the share button,not using hardware to record gameplay.As far as they are concerned it will work with the share button.They cant control what you record using something other than the share button.

Looking at that screenshot I can definitely tell PD had some input on the design of the UI.
I cant wait to make my own videos.But I know with this ALOT of gamer channels are about to pop up on youtube when ps4 release lol
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BitbyDeath  +   444d ago
@Blacktric, not many people have a PVR. Infact i don't know anyone who has one.

The share button makes this feature open to everyone.
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SilentNegotiator  +   444d ago
@Blacktric

You sure showed that one guy who said that one thing that one time that you're pretending was some significant sized group.
SLEDGE  +   443d ago
My guess would not be "Spoilers" but more stuff like nudity, and m+18 stuff.
Or things like the Airport scene in MW2 that was a "OPtional" mission.

@Plastica-man

http://i.imgur.com/Q1dPa.jp... There are ofcourse work arounds :)

But as long as I can put it the HDD and retrive it too my PC, i'd bee happy about it.
ThanatosDMC  +   443d ago
@plastica-man

Mostly Capcom games doesnt let you take screenshots. Really annoying.
-Superman-  +   444d ago
“There will be parts of a game that the maker does not want people to be able to see. For example, on Vita, developers can in certain scenes disable the feature that lets users take a screenshot, and (the Share function) will have a similar mechanism. The creator may not want to make video of the final boss sharable, for instance,” Yoshida stated to 4Gamer.net (via Edge).
Knight_Crawler  +   444d ago
Wait I am confused... didn't Sony announce that the PS4 would let you live stream your gameplay to your friends ,this way if you were stuck on a level your friends would be able to help you or take over and beat the level for you.

How is live stream gameplay different than the captured card feature that the share button will have - the content that the live stream will show is the same content that the capture card will show so why restrict one and not the other?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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KwietStorm  +   444d ago
Yep that's a good point. Would kind of be silly if you can live stream but are restricted with what you can record and upload.
MysticStrummer  +   444d ago
I'd say live streaming to friends who have a PS4 is different than uploading to YouTube or some other site, but I don't know how they'll control one more than the other. There will be ways to work around whatever restrictions they put in.
MonkeyNinja  +   444d ago
I'm glad they're doing this, because I was worried about spoilers being uploaded from a game.

But this way, users shouldn't be able to upload a video that gives away a major plot point or who the final boss is, etc.

Didn't Sony also say that you could upload videos to Ustream? I don't think they said anything about YouTube, but I could be wrong. I don't think you can upload directly to YouTube through the share button.
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pimpschitz  +   444d ago
There is a lot of negativity about the share button, and whether it will even be used. Personally, I like the concept. Sharing EVERYTHING is something I don't want to see on my buddies accounts. However, I do want to watch some people rage while killing a shit ton of ghouls on the next fallout.
MYSTERIO360  +   443d ago
I personally cant wait for the PS4, this news hasn't put a dampener on my anticipation in the slightest. As MS has pioneered the growth of online gaming and apps for consoles i have a feeling Sony will pioneer cross sharing and the user experience in general.
Arai  +   444d ago
It's to prevent spoilers in games so the experience isn't ruined for others.
Handy especially if you don't have the game yet, last thing you want is someone to ruin the ending for you.
claterz  +   444d ago
if you don't want it ruined for you then you don't search for the video. its not like it will just pop up in front of you unexpectedly. Imo this is a pretty big deal as a lot of people were expecting a fully functional built in recording feature to avoid the need of an expensive capture card.
DoomeDx  +   444d ago
The share button puts everything on your facebook wall. Dont friends love to post spoilers in the title :)
NBT91  +   444d ago
On the WII U, you can upload screenshots etc and just mark any spoilers as spoilers, where they are hidden until one clicks on them.

The reasons that is not ideal is, you don't know how far in the game the post is. It could be the mid way point which you are at, or it could be the ending, no way to know until you click that post, by then it is too late. Plus people just forget to mark them as spoilers a lot of times.

As for your suggestion about only having the level name, even that is still not great. Imagine if MGS4 released on PS4 and people were reading the titles "Act 4 - Shadow Moses", thus it can still reveal a lot about the game.

I think that this way on PS4 is much better. There is no reason to be able to upload ending scenes. I think it is more for sharing goals on FIFA, decent killstreaks in an FPS, hole in one on Tiger Woods, you know the kind of thing? That's what I felt it was being advertised as, not really as a tool for complete playthroughs...
Arai  +   444d ago
I read about this last night on NeoGAF, there's a whole discussion about it.
To those disagreeing you might actually want to read the original article and this discussion:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

It makes perfect sense, this "article" could use a better title.

@ claterz what about friends sending you a video, you don't know it's content before viewing it.

Nevertheless it's a rough translation, I'm sure we'll get concrete information within the next 7 months.
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claterz  +   444d ago
I see what your saying but using the example you gave, wouldnt't it be easier to have the system add the level of the game in the title of the video? That way you can decide whether or not you want to watch it, and the player can still have some freedom in terms of what they want to record.
baodeus  +   443d ago
@arai

"@ claterz what about friends sending you a video, you don't know it's content before viewing it. "

If PS4 improve on connection/cross game chat/etc.....it is really that hard to add a spoiler alert/note on video that you send to your friends?
pimpschitz  +   444d ago
Exactly. I am seeing a lot of negative posts about the share button. As I said above I like the concept. I don't want to watch the next spoiler of a game I want to play badly. That's just stupid.
jcnba28  +   444d ago | Well said
The Wii U has a function where you can tag your post as a "spoiler" before you post it on Miiverse so people will have the option to view it or not. I'm sure sony will have something similar to this with their sharing options.
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mcstorm  +   444d ago
Lol like how you got some disagrees because you said the Wiiu has a spoiler option. I think your right I see both Sony and Microsoft having options like this on there next consoles.
Dlacy13g  +   444d ago
I think the disagrees are for Sony having a similar spoiler tag system. Seems like Sony will just let devs block content instead and thus avoid the spoiler issue altogether by controlling what can be recorded.
wishingW3L  +   444d ago
so basically the share button is useless? Because seriously this kind of kills the point of it.
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Dlacy13g  +   444d ago
Yes and no. Yes from a video upload point of view since it will have limitations but don't forget the share button is most assuredly tied into sharing you screen play..
Dlacy13g  +   444d ago
Point of clarification. .. the button won't be useless. The recording video will have some limitations so for some that may seem "useless" but there clearly will be more functionality to it regardless.
lodossrage  +   444d ago
It won't be "useless"
As the article states, the game makers themselves will have the option to pick and choose what can't be shared.
smashcrashbash  +   443d ago
Exactly. If the developer decides they want to keep certain things from people because of spoilers and such it is up to them not Sony. Once again the blame goes to Sony when it will be the developers who are deciding if they want to do it or not.For example Two Souls which is mostly story based Quantic Dreams might decide not to use the share button at all so everyone can work it out themselves.Others can decide that they don't care what you share and not use it at all therefore no restrictions. Sony is giving them the option and it is not a rule set in stone or Sony's decision. Why is it that Sony haters AND fans over react to EVERYTHING? If a developer wants to keep something from everyone that is up to them and their reasons.You don't read, talk crap, then wonder why you get disagrees
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Hicken  +   444d ago
Basically? How did you even come to that conclusion?
ginsunuva  +   444d ago
Not sure if stupid...
a_squirrel  +   444d ago
And here I wanted to upload myself dancing naked in front of the TV.
ANOTHER LIMITATION.
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Dlacy13g  +   444d ago
LOL...can we agree that is a good limitation?
a_squirrel  +   443d ago
Kidding :P
vork77  +   444d ago
so they lied
hesido  +   444d ago
I don't remember them claiming that everything could be shared. Most things will shareable, don't worry. It's for the good of everyone. Those that are really really interested in sharing spoilers can still buy themselves a capture card, if that was your main purpose.
lodossrage  +   444d ago
What lie?
They never said EVERYTHING was shareable.

Not just that, if you read the article, the INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPERS are the ones that make the choice on what they do/ don't allow to be shared.
banjadude  +   444d ago
Besides people not even reading the article, it would seem these trolls have "selective memory" too. SMH.
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LoveOfTheGame  +   443d ago
Well in the same sense if PS4 let devs control whether their used games are able to work or not and then say the PS4 plays used games it makes the point moot if most devs make their games unusable if used.

Edit: It won't necessarily be a lie but more a way to cover themselves.
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SlavisH2  +   444d ago
This is another gimmick like like home. I will never use it, lol.
AllroundGamer  +   444d ago
i will replace it with the Select button too :)
Summons75  +   444d ago
yep, it will be popular with gamers and devs for the first couple years but just like sixaxis it will be cast to the side.

Anyone remember 7 local player gaming on the ps3.....oh right that got cast to the side too.
Veneno  +   444d ago
How's that HD DVD drive treating you?
kaozgamer  +   444d ago
ummm 7 player local is still there. quite a few games support it. nba2k and fifa series are among those.
yesmynameissumo  +   443d ago
I love N4G. The levels of being incorrect and pretentious are laughable.
Jek_Porkins  +   444d ago
Well hopefully people weren't thinking they'd be able to record and share every single thing, that would take up a ton of space. If you're a hardcore gamer who puts out montages on COD or Battlefield I'm sure you have a PVR, it still makes sense to get one if you were thinking about doing Youtube videos and things like that.

The "Share" function is probably set up a lot like the current Black Ops 2 feature is, you can choose to save a map so that you can go back and edit clips or whatever, but you can only save half a dozen or so.
r21  +   444d ago
They could do that or just put a spoiler tag on the video or pic on PSN streaming thing.
yesmynameissumo  +   443d ago
Good idea. Or remove any limitations when sharing directly with friends?
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objdadon  +   444d ago
I won't use it, you may not use it, but some will and that's why they did it.
FAT MAN GO BOOM  +   444d ago
So glad that this is going to be in their... so many ass hats out there that would ruin games...

This pushes me closer to liking and wanting this feature...
turnerdc  +   444d ago
Awwwwww, that's slightly dissappointing. OnLive doesn't have any restrictions on what you can record and share.

Some of my clips on OnLive do include cutscenes and/or the endings. Not used to spoil the game but just to record the "end" of my journey.
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Arai  +   444d ago
Devs might just disable sharing cut scenes, game menus or the ending of game.

Just sayin' take it with a grain of salt because I read the translation Edge and this website used and it's broken as hell.

Subjects are just touched upon when asked, but not discussed in details.
E3 is next month I'm sure everything will be revealed there.
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stage88  +   444d ago
Great news! No more spoiling a game when you look up gameplay before you buy.
Omar91  +   444d ago
I knew everything shown in the sony conference was to good to be true. It always is for every company. I'm waiting for them to go into detail about the whole taking control of your friends game feature. It's not going to be "perfect" like some people believe it will be.
Marugo  +   444d ago
But i wish this share button will be a mandatory for every game so that it wont become useless
yesmynameissumo  +   444d ago
Completely agree. Set dev standards for the platform.
Typical-Guy  +   444d ago
They did say all the features of PS4 are system centered. No need for Devs pitty to add features for us.....
C-Thunder  +   444d ago
It's built into the system. It will be more work to implement the restrictions, if they choose not to do that, then everything is shareable.
taquito  +   444d ago
sony, just try to be more like steam and you will be heading in the right direction

that's all anyone who wants to get in the game business needs to do

high lord commander gaben can show you the way to gaming nirvana

oh, also, but a better gpu in the ps4, and a WAYYY better cpu
MysticStrummer  +   444d ago
Why do PC people bother commenting on console articles? It just makes you seem insecure, but whatever, have fun I guess.
EffectO  +   444d ago
So Share button is just a bunch of hot air?

Devs having control lol,that will certainly end well.
"This area is full of glitches and crappy textures...no sharing"

But as usual,people with recording equipment will upload everything.Oh well..
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turnerdc  +   444d ago
Your example reminds me of PD not allowing standard cars to be used for photo travel. It would suck if devs did implement restrictions like that for the share button in their game.
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The_KELRaTH  +   444d ago
I suspect it will be much like the PS3's screengrab feature - it's there if devs want you to have it but it would seem most don't.

Features like these should be set to fully work as standard but with the option for devs to disable it as chances are the devs really couldn't care less one way or the other but just won't waste time on additional coding.
isarai  +   444d ago
LOL this isn't up to devs to implement, it's a full feature of the PS4 itself, devs only have the option to disable it in certain parts to keep from spoiling which is extra work, i doubt devs would go out of their way to put in the extra work so you can't use the feature at all.
The_KELRaTH  +   444d ago
I haven't read anywhere that gives full details how the screen capture will actually work on the PS4 as yet but the PS3 does have a screen capture facility built in but it rarely gets used as the devs decide if it's going to work or not.
GraveLord  +   444d ago
Hopefully no spoilers.
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InfamousBlackGuy  +   444d ago
I'm beginning to think someone makes it their sole objective to go down the comments and disagree with everything. It just seems way too consistent.
Majin-vegeta  +   444d ago
Just disable all cutscenes and spoilers.
Hufandpuf  +   444d ago
They should have just put the share function into the system, not the controller.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   444d ago
The share button is very limited. It doesnt allow you to edit and do voice narratives on your video. Gamers will get frustrated with it and use youtube that can do things better. IMO it won't be used very much at all.
isarai  +   444d ago
I'm pretty sure you will be allowed to save the video to your HDD just like the few games that use video capture on the PS3. If not out the box then surely down the road with an update
Soldierone  +   444d ago
Of course. Then Capcom will come along and make the share function of their games a DLC feature lol
Relientk77  +   444d ago
Well yeah we dont want the PS4 share button to turn into the weird side of Youtube
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carlocgc  +   444d ago
facebook and social networking doesnt interest everyone and certainly not me. hopefully none of this functionality is mandatory. i hate games that need a facebook account to play.
isarai  +   444d ago
when has facebook been required in a game? also it's optional to sync up your facebook account to your PS4, even if synced you can chose how much it shares just like on the PS3
isarai  +   444d ago
LOL People really need to actually READ the article. All it states is not that it has set limitations, but that it has the capability to allow devs to limit it's use as not to spoil the game for others. It is completely up to the devs to do this if they want and IMO i'm totally fine with not allowing things to get spoiled. What would be better though is if "SPOILER" was automatically added to you video title when in these areas so when uploaded everyone knows it's a spoiler. Then again you could just do that yourself, and again it's up to the devs. I doubt the majority will restrict the use of the feature, it's not like there aren't already tons of videos on youtube with spoilers in them already, they usually always announce they are spoilers, so it's not an issue.
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