It might sell hardware (like what happened with the PSP) but the sales of games is gonna tank. Of course, Nintendo will release a new firmware patch here and there but once that first hack unlocks the system, there's no hope of putting the genie back in the bottle.
And people thought 3rd party support for the thing was bad NOW? Oooof.
well it's not like the 360 or PS3 were free of hackers. This isn't exactly new in this day and age. Look at what the PC has to go through on a daily basis with piracy.
360 and PS3 are online-centric systems. You miss out on a lot (and/or get constantly banned) if you choose to hack. AFAIK, a hacked PS3 cannot access PSN. The WiiU, on the other hand, is hardly the online console, and even if Nintendo does make a patch, the cat is already out of the bag.
And neither the 360 nor PS3 were able to play illegal .iso's less 6 months after the console launched. Not even the PSP was hacked that quickly.
The Xbox 360 is easy to hack and hackers can easily get around the patches MS puts out. So many people play online with hacked Xbox 360's.
I'm sorry but you have no clue what you're talking about. I know at least 10 people who play Xbox Live with a hacked system and burned games.
And I'll add the PS3 isn't hacked as much because people do not have Blu-Ray disc burners. And the games are massive. Many people don't have the internet speed to download huge 23 GB games for the PS3.
The Xbox 360 games are much more manageable, topping out at 8 GB and sometimes 16 for two discs.
@Theyellowflash30 - There is a workaround I believe for the 360 if you haven't already been banned, but if you have been then the only way to solve that problem is to buy a new Xbox 360. Which is probably one of the reasons why the 360 would sell so well just before COD released, because they would do a ban wave about a week earlier.
I think there is a workaround for PS3 as well, but it has something to do with spoofing your firmware version or something. With that said though, the PS3 is easily the least hacked system of the three current gen consoles, because it's simply not worth it. You get free online, and if you hack your console, you are likely to get banned. This doesn't matter that much on Xbox 360 if you don't pay for XBLG
Nintendo is already loosing money on the Wii U, they make back some of it with each game sold. Now with this hack being wildly known its pretty certain some people are going to take advantage of this. ;)
The difference is, Neonridr, the PS3 and Xbox 360 probably have a lot more people online than the Wii U. It will hurt Nintendo more because they are still struggling to get 3rd party support, this will just add to the resistance of them releasing games on it. It took years on the PS3 to crack and even now it's probably very minimal. The Xbox 360's secret weapon is the huge popularity of Xbox Live. When we hear about them purging the system and banning so many people others take notice. Playing offline on the Wii U is most likely not as much of a concern as Xbox 360 owners. That's just my guess. With that said yes, piracy does hurt the Xbox 360 as well.
Also when you are just starting out you want software sales to help curb the cost of the hardware and all the research and development that went into it rather quickly. Having it pirated this quickly is not good. Nintendo is very aggressive though when it comes to going after piracy.
Systems get hacked all the time. Nintendo has never had a problem with hacking and home brew and it never hurt their sales. Its companies like Sony overrating and creating 100 dollar proprietary memory cards to combat hacking that screws people. Not Nintendo.
Piracy did not "kill" the PSP. The DS was also piracy-rampant and it didn't die because of it. Stop blaming pirates for the bad marketing and support of companies.
"The WiiU, on the other hand, is hardly the online console"
That shows you don't have a Wii U. I had PS3 and Xbox 360, and now Wii U, and I can say that its online capabilities are comparable to those of the PS3 and Xbox. Plus it has Miiverse, which becomes quite a big part of the Wii U experience.
Based on that ignorant statement alone, your argument is worthless. Piracy will hurt the Wii U just as much as it hurt the Xbox 360, not more, probably not less. The PS3 is another matter entirely; I'd dare say it was the best protected console against piracy I've ever seen.
Serious not hating on wiiu I actually like it but to totally say something which isn't true is not right
And it's understandable too, it takes time to set up a proper online structure, but with 3rd party publishers already not n board and now this, it's not gonna help Nintendo and wiiu might just become the system you buy and ack to play free Nintendo exclusives
Also many comments at top, I agree wiiu isn't looked as a console you buy to play onlin compare to ps3 and xbox360. So that's a huge negative towards wiiu too
Piracy sucks either way so hopefully Nintendo can figure out a way to stop this
I agree wiiu online is very close if not better for me then xb or ps. miiverse makes every game multiplayer. so yes every wiiu game is an online multiplayer game. try it before you assume.
I used to love the scene back in the day because they generally focused on emulating older games that no one could find anymore and opening up region support. These people actually cared about the gamers and tried to support the companies as well. They actually made gaming better.
The modern scene is filled with arrogant scumbags who just want rep. They care nothing about devs, manufacturers or gamers. I'm tired to trying to play a legit game online and some cheater ruining it which the hacker groups never take responsibility for even though it would be completely impossible if not for them.
Some hackers, like Marcan and fail overflow, actually seem to be intentionally trying to harm and insult console makers going by the jabs and jokes they make after hacking the hardware. They actually make gaming "worse".
What was once well meaning is now parasitic and corrosive. Nintendo should take these guys to court like Sony did to Egohot with his arrogance.
@lilbroRx 100% Exactly this is one of the Reasons we cannot have nice thing's, too many Ego's. Not following simple Prudence:
prudentia means "prudence" (also: discretion, foresight, forethought, circumspection; refers to the exercise of good judgment, common sense, and even caution, especially in the conduct of practical matters).
Hacking and reverse engineering for your own use is Ok, but when you post such instructions on easy to follow steps in a world wide public forum like the internet, what do you think is going to Happen?
if you really love the Hobby you would not post key's to the city in a public forum to cause the developer's to maybe even stop making games for you completely! what than, with out the artist making the content than what?
but..but there will always be people that will make game's maybe so, but don't expect them to cater to a market that will steal them blind , the point is they may go to markets like the App market for smartphone's or tablets what then?
they keep this up and we may just loose the talents that make some good game's and if you going to dump their work they just may give you crap to dump in the first place. Look at it just like a pay check and loose the drive to even put their best forward.
I agree with you there. The only reason I wish my PS3 was hacked is in the hope that PS2 support can be added, they took out the emulation after the first batch of consoles.
I would then only need my PS3 and Wii for my gaming needs, as the Wii takes the place of my Mega Drive, Master System and even my PS1 thanks to the emulators that are available for it. It's all stuff I already legally own, I don't like contaminating my collection with Pirate stuff.
What nintendo should have done to discourage these genuine homebrew hackers is to introduce emulators for the snez, nez and n64 and let people download the roms for free but have a yearly charge like xbox live, Wii U's would fly off the shelves and Nintendo would have regular year subs coming in along with increased software sales.
The problem is that there are a lot of devs on the fence about how they will support the Wii U if at all and piracy is going make a lot of them reconsider making games altogether leading to less games and lower quality games for people who legitimately buy them.
It will also lead to multiplayer hacking which will ruin the fun that other people have playing games on the console.
Gears of War 3 was pirated more than a million times on the Xbox 360. That's one million extra copies that didn't move off retailer shelves. That costs distribution money.
Did Epic pull out of supporting Microsoft or the Xbox 360?
360 games are usually leaked an entire month before retail release. All the big games. This has been happening for years.
If the 360 can survive then Nintendo can survive...not to mention the Big 'N' at least still makes first-party games people will actually want to buy.
@cyguration "If the 360 can survive then Nintendo can survive...not to mention the Big 'N' at least still makes first-party games people will actually want to buy."
its not about being able to survive, it's about will venture capital firms keep giving you money to be able to make such project's come to life or they can say make another game but here is a much lower $$$ to work with, make some lemonade out of some lemon's. while that extra cash could have gone to make the project even better. but Hacking and dumping the content online kinda makes the choice up for them.
Look no one is saying that the effect's of Piracy are going to kill off the gaming media market, it just will have an effect that can put screws to thing's that you may want to do but you cannot due to example there is more pirated copy of your game in the hands of Gamer's instead of paying gamer's. that's a problem
Oh noooooo, this is a little early for a newer system to be hacked, This is about to become the new Dreamcast...I wasn't gonna buy a Wii U before, but if games are able to be hacked ill definitely buy one(good news for Nintendo) but I will never pay for ONE game (bad news for Nintendo)
. . . And people wonder why companies even dream of implementing excessive DRM in their consoles and games? It's because of people LIKE THIS!
Gaming is a luxury, meant for the people who can afford to have that luxury. If you can't afford it, find another hobby. If there's a game you want excessively badly, save up money, or wait until the price drops. People, realize this. Just because something looks attractive and you want it ~ That doesn't mean - UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES - you're entitled to owning it.
Pirates just need to be thrown in jail. You can't justify it - Piracy is stealing. You're stealing a profit from developers who SLAVED over machines, day and night, working on that game. When you pirate, you're causing all of their hard work to go in vain. You're discouraging them from continuing their work, and you're even running them out of a job. See the dark side of things? YOU may benefit, by being able to "Play for Free" - but you're hurting others in the process.
Good grief - You people have a conscience. You have a sense of morality. Use it, will ya?
So by your logic people who buy used games should be locked up too? Devs take an even bigger hit by the used game market..there's more people buying used then pirating and they don't see none of that money either.
At least buying used games are LEGAL. Piracy is ILLEGAL. With Piracy, you're playing a payware game for free, causing devs to automatically lose money. With used games, one person ALREADY BOUGHT the game, so the profit was already made, and unit is counted as ALREADY sold.
The game is 23.3gb on a well known site, in fact it came in pretty fast and i was able to download it in just under 3 and a half hours. Mind, there is nothing like actually owning the game.
Sucky reviews of the game, but its out there.. won't be long now until we get the mod chip i imagine since the hacking team have apparently fully hacked it.
As long as it's not software hack, they should be relatively OK.
There are a lot of people who don't want to go the extra mile of ordering a chip to hack their console.
Ninty's big problem is that while the first Wii sold well, the type of gamers it attracted were too casual and didn't show a willingness to spend. They bought few games other that Ninty's own star franchises. That's not appealing to 3rd parties.
Also, with high production costs, companies don't like that the WiiU will require dedicated software because of its lower specs.
And now with WiiU, they have both problems. Not only do they still face the lack of 3rd party support they have faced before, but on top of that the casual gamer has not been enticed by yet another rehash of their dual screen gimmick.
So the hack is an issue but it's not the core issue they have.
IMO what they should have done, given Kinect's success, is do a Kinect rip off and build it in the WiiU instead of the touchpad.
It would have been right up their consumer's alley. A continuation of the Wii's motion gaming concept, and the promise to people who were excited for Kinect to actually have the superior Ninty franchises to use body controls with, instead of the crap shovelware that Kinect got.
The wii atach games ratio was nearly 9-1 about 0.25% lower than the ps3 the difference is Nintendo made most of the games that sold well so they had higher profit margins. At the mo Nintendo are going through hardware transitions and like all console makers the money comes in at the end of the life cycle.
Hmm I can't stand people who hack with the intentions of altering online play or getting free games. Nin should take care of this problem early and hold the hackers to the fire now!
I sold my Wii U within 2 weeks of owning it because I got bored with it & still enjoy my 3DS almost daily-- something has to "give" so that the Wii U can have a successful future.
Unfortunately, I just don't know what that "thing" is.
I'm not really sure if the Wii U can survive this generation much longer, if news like this continues.
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It might sell hardware (like what happened with the PSP) but the sales of games is gonna tank. Of course, Nintendo will release a new firmware patch here and there but once that first hack unlocks the system, there's no hope of putting the genie back in the bottle.
And people thought 3rd party support for the thing was bad NOW? Oooof.
And neither the 360 nor PS3 were able to play illegal .iso's less 6 months after the console launched. Not even the PSP was hacked that quickly.
The Xbox 360 is easy to hack and hackers can easily get around the patches MS puts out. So many people play online with hacked Xbox 360's.
I'm sorry but you have no clue what you're talking about. I know at least 10 people who play Xbox Live with a hacked system and burned games.
And I'll add the PS3 isn't hacked as much because people do not have Blu-Ray disc burners. And the games are massive. Many people don't have the internet speed to download huge 23 GB games for the PS3.
The Xbox 360 games are much more manageable, topping out at 8 GB and sometimes 16 for two discs.
you can play xbox live if u have hacked xbox but you will eventually get banned, after 3 months or so.
I think there is a workaround for PS3 as well, but it has something to do with spoofing your firmware version or something. With that said though, the PS3 is easily the least hacked system of the three current gen consoles, because it's simply not worth it. You get free online, and if you hack your console, you are likely to get banned. This doesn't matter that much on Xbox 360 if you don't pay for XBLG
Go figure.
Also when you are just starting out you want software sales to help curb the cost of the hardware and all the research and development that went into it rather quickly. Having it pirated this quickly is not good. Nintendo is very aggressive though when it comes to going after piracy.
Nintendo is in for a long road
Systems get hacked all the time. Nintendo has never had a problem with hacking and home brew and it never hurt their sales. Its companies like Sony overrating and creating 100 dollar proprietary memory cards to combat hacking that screws people. Not Nintendo.
https://ap.nintendo.com/faq...
http://torrentfreak.com/nin...
That shows you don't have a Wii U. I had PS3 and Xbox 360, and now Wii U, and I can say that its online capabilities are comparable to those of the PS3 and Xbox. Plus it has Miiverse, which becomes quite a big part of the Wii U experience.
Based on that ignorant statement alone, your argument is worthless. Piracy will hurt the Wii U just as much as it hurt the Xbox 360, not more, probably not less. The PS3 is another matter entirely; I'd dare say it was the best protected console against piracy I've ever seen.
PSN and xblive are much much much better
Serious not hating on wiiu I actually like it but to totally say something which isn't true is not right
And it's understandable too, it takes time to set up a proper online structure, but with 3rd party publishers already not n board and now this, it's not gonna help Nintendo and wiiu might just become the system you buy and ack to play free Nintendo exclusives
Also many comments at top, I agree wiiu isn't looked as a console you buy to play onlin compare to ps3 and xbox360. So that's a huge negative towards wiiu too
Piracy sucks either way so hopefully Nintendo can figure out a way to stop this
The modern scene is filled with arrogant scumbags who just want rep. They care nothing about devs, manufacturers or gamers. I'm tired to trying to play a legit game online and some cheater ruining it which the hacker groups never take responsibility for even though it would be completely impossible if not for them.
Some hackers, like Marcan and fail overflow, actually seem to be intentionally trying to harm and insult console makers going by the jabs and jokes they make after hacking the hardware. They actually make gaming "worse".
What was once well meaning is now parasitic and corrosive. Nintendo should take these guys to court like Sony did to Egohot with his arrogance.
100% Exactly this is one of the Reasons we cannot have nice thing's, too many Ego's. Not following simple Prudence:
prudentia means "prudence" (also: discretion, foresight, forethought, circumspection; refers to the exercise of good judgment, common sense, and even caution, especially in the conduct of practical matters).
Hacking and reverse engineering for your own use is Ok, but when you post such instructions on easy to follow steps in a world wide public forum like the internet, what do you think is going to Happen?
if you really love the Hobby you would not post key's to the city in a public forum to cause the developer's to maybe even stop making games for you completely! what than, with out the artist making the content than what?
but..but there will always be people that will make game's maybe so, but don't expect them to cater to a market that will steal them blind , the point is they may go to markets like the App market for smartphone's or tablets what then?
they keep this up and we may just loose the talents that make some good game's and if you going to dump their work they just may give you crap to dump in the first place. Look at it just like a pay check and loose the drive to even put their best forward.
I would then only need my PS3 and Wii for my gaming needs, as the Wii takes the place of my Mega Drive, Master System and even my PS1 thanks to the emulators that are available for it. It's all stuff I already legally own, I don't like contaminating my collection with Pirate stuff.
Wii U's would fly off the shelves and Nintendo would have regular year subs coming in along with increased software sales.
First they confirmed that they wouldn't be at E3 and now this. My oh my...
The problem is that there are a lot of devs on the fence about how they will support the Wii U if at all and piracy is going make a lot of them reconsider making games altogether leading to less games and lower quality games for people who legitimately buy them.
It will also lead to multiplayer hacking which will ruin the fun that other people have playing games on the console.
Did Epic pull out of supporting Microsoft or the Xbox 360?
360 games are usually leaked an entire month before retail release. All the big games. This has been happening for years.
If the 360 can survive then Nintendo can survive...not to mention the Big 'N' at least still makes first-party games people will actually want to buy.
"If the 360 can survive then Nintendo can survive...not to mention the Big 'N' at least still makes first-party games people will actually want to buy."
its not about being able to survive, it's about will venture capital firms keep giving you money to be able to make such project's come to life or they can say make another game but here is a much lower $$$ to work with, make some lemonade out of some lemon's. while that extra cash could have gone to make the project even better. but Hacking and dumping the content online kinda makes the choice up for them.
Look no one is saying that the effect's of Piracy are going to kill off the gaming media market, it just will have an effect that can put screws to thing's that you may want to do but you cannot due to example there is more pirated copy of your game in the hands of Gamer's instead of paying gamer's. that's a problem
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aand everyone disagrees with me
Always online consoles for the future, it seems.
Gaming is a luxury, meant for the people who can afford to have that luxury. If you can't afford it, find another hobby. If there's a game you want excessively badly, save up money, or wait until the price drops. People, realize this. Just because something looks attractive and you want it ~ That doesn't mean - UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES - you're entitled to owning it.
Pirates just need to be thrown in jail. You can't justify it - Piracy is stealing. You're stealing a profit from developers who SLAVED over machines, day and night, working on that game. When you pirate, you're causing all of their hard work to go in vain. You're discouraging them from continuing their work, and you're even running them out of a job. See the dark side of things? YOU may benefit, by being able to "Play for Free" - but you're hurting others in the process.
Good grief - You people have a conscience. You have a sense of morality. Use it, will ya?
- "ExtremeAzure"
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I suggest they really REALLY reconsider having conference at E3...
Sucky reviews of the game, but its out there.. won't be long now until we get the mod chip i imagine since the hacking team have apparently fully hacked it.
1-2 years a full Wii U emulator.
I play originals so i can care less.. if you support the company you will always buy the original..
you can't stop piracy but you dont have to go along either!
There are a lot of people who don't want to go the extra mile of ordering a chip to hack their console.
Ninty's big problem is that while the first Wii sold well, the type of gamers it attracted were too casual and didn't show a willingness to spend. They bought few games other that Ninty's own star franchises. That's not appealing to 3rd parties.
Also, with high production costs, companies don't like that the WiiU will require dedicated software because of its lower specs.
And now with WiiU, they have both problems. Not only do they still face the lack of 3rd party support they have faced before, but on top of that the casual gamer has not been enticed by yet another rehash of their dual screen gimmick.
So the hack is an issue but it's not the core issue they have.
IMO what they should have done, given Kinect's success, is do a Kinect rip off and build it in the WiiU instead of the touchpad.
It would have been right up their consumer's alley. A continuation of the Wii's motion gaming concept, and the promise to people who were excited for Kinect to actually have the superior Ninty franchises to use body controls with, instead of the crap shovelware that Kinect got.
At the mo Nintendo are going through hardware transitions and like all console makers the money comes in at the end of the life cycle.
I can't stand people who hack with the intentions of altering online play or getting free games. Nin should take care of this problem early and hold the hackers to the fire now!
And if you insist on continuing because you have to show people you're a true e-thug, then your time will come
But until then dishonest people will ruing gaming. We already have enough of that with the government, politics, businesses in general.
People aren't sorry until something actually happens to them.
It's sad...
I sold my Wii U within 2 weeks of owning it because I got bored with it & still enjoy my 3DS almost daily-- something has to "give" so that the Wii U can have a successful future.
Unfortunately, I just don't know what that "thing" is.
I'm not really sure if the Wii U can survive this generation much longer, if news like this continues.