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Submitted by richierich 516d ago | news

Report: Wii U Cracked Open, System Memory and Speed Revealed

Nintendo, like many hardware manufacturers, was cagey about the final specs for the Wii U, choosing not to reveal the system's overall memory prior to release.

Now that the Wii U is out, though, it hasn't taken long for someone to tear one apart and do the detective work themselves (Wii U)

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FinalomegaS  +   516d ago
i knew this was going to happen really fast lol

360: 22.4 GB/s + eDRAM for framebuffer
PS3: 25.6 GB/s main memory BW + 22.4 GB/s graphics memory BW, no eDRAM

GTX 680: 192.2 GB/s

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I can see we are going to get bits and pieces of data about the internal specs, it still won't be 100% accurate...
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Sarcasm  +   516d ago
Memory speed is only one aspect of a system though. It also depends how developers will code around it. But at LEAST it has 2GB which is decent.
AsimLeonheart  +   516d ago
LOL! The graphics of this supposedly "next-gen" console are worse than current gen consoles. Slowly the reality about Wii U is being revealed. We now know that WiiU RAM is slower than 6/7 year old PS360. The 5GB firmware update is bricking consoles. Soon the underpowered CPU and GPU will be revealed as well. Nintendo was hiding the specs and details for this very reason. They were tricking the Nintendo fans into buying this crappy, underpowered and last-gen console.
RumbleFish  +   516d ago
Anybody who considers this next gen has been playing wii for the last years.
dazbobaby  +   516d ago
@AsimLeonheart
Nintendo aren't in an arms race with Microsoft and Sony, so it doesn't really matter how it looks on screen, just as long as the family fun factor is there.
dirthurts  +   516d ago
Ram speed, especially no video ram speed, has almost no discernible impact on graphics quality. I've tested everything from 800mhz-1800mhz and I see a few frames here and there difference.
Not a performance issue here.
More ram also has little to do with graphics quality past around 1-2gb. Unless you're talking video ram.
Yodagamer  +   516d ago
@asimleonheart most modern CPUs have a slower CPU speed but they can do more than 6 year old CPUs with a higher clock rate its just how tech works
Beastforlifenoob  +   516d ago
@sarcasm
Decent my A**, my 2 year old PC has 16GB of ram... And a 7 YEAR old system has nearly the same as the WII U- This is not nextgen tech, its not next gen console tech and its nothing amazing in the hardware world.
T900  +   516d ago
@beastforlifenoob

Whats funny is my 3 year laptop featuring a 5870M has better specs than the Wii U lol.

5870M comes with 70GB/s bandwidth.

Hell a 5 year old PC GPU like 8800GTX came with 90GB/s bandwidth. Technically Nintendo is still behind a 8800GTX lol.

I find it funny people are actually willing to pay 300usd for such old tech. Spend 200usd more and for 500usd you could build a PC with much great specs.

A 500usd PC could easily be fitted with a GPU that could pump 150gb/s memory bandwidth. Its almost embarrassing what console makers are charging people. Consoles are supposed to be cheap and cost effective, yet it looks the other way around now. With consoles coming with gimped specs, charging more per game and offering no BC to the previous models.

PC gaming looks amazing.

Edit:

Heres what a 500usd PC would have gotten u in August: http://www.tomshardware.com...

The GPU on this one pushes 130GB/s dont think even the next Playstation or Xbox will be featuring those numbers.
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Beastforlifenoob  +   515d ago
@t900i agree, console makers should reduce their price, the only thing that should increase thebprice is the operating system, otherwise I dont see why the price has to be so OP...
Optical_Matrix  +   515d ago
Oh please. RAM thats 43% slower than current generation consoles is not acceptable in 2012. This is going to act as a huge bottleneck against the gpu. A terrible memory bandwidth is only going to choke a GPU no matter how good/efficient it is. It's going to end up being a case of developers needing to dedicate even more time to learning a new architecture to port to with their games and, if the Wii U doesn't establish a market big enough to justify that it just won't get the big AAA games aside from maybe Activision and EA's stuff.

It's pretty telling that the biggest games of next year such as MGS: Ground Zeroes, Tomb Raider and GTAV won't see the light of day on the Wii U for the foreseeable future. I don't feel as though many publishers are that bothered about the system

Shame on Nintendo for being so lazy with how they put the hardware together. I hoped this thing would succeed, and I'll sure as hell be buying mine next week when it launches in Europe but damn, between these hardware revelations and the 2004 level online service, Nintendo has shown their ineptitude to embrace what the industry has grown into technology wise since 2005 is aggravating.
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AsimLeonheart  +   515d ago
BREAKING NEWS!
Neogaf updated the post after ACTUAL test results. The 17GB/s BUS speed was a guess based on the nature and manufacturer of the RAM.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Nintendo fans will be glad to hear that it is not 17GB/s. It is actually...
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ONLY 12GB/s!!!! LOL!!!!
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bozebo  +   515d ago
It does seem a little underpowered on paper, but I think it will be extremely easy to develop for due to the RAM quantity (compared to ps3 and 360, also Sony and MS take a very hard line towards developers) so if enough sell, a lot of small-medium developers will be attracted meaning there could be some incredible games.

One of the chips on the substrate (the tiny one) is probably a specialized eDRAM or similar memory chip which will be able to perform ~instant calculations on sets of data (the 360 can do this too) which when used correctly can take a lot of vector processing work away from the graphics chip, it is probably also incredibly fast too for use storing the framebuffer during deferred rendering (again, like the 360). Using that chip correctly probably takes a lot of smart engine design, so don't expect much in the early days. In fact the architecture seems like a refined version of the 360's, it can probably do AA far faster among other things as the graphical feature set is newer (and more efficient).

Also, memory bandwidth doesn't correlate directly to better performance - don't get hung up on it being slower than the 360 and PS3's. Is it shared or is that just main memory? Only graphical memory needs to be extremely fast (lots of PCs capable of maxing games out have RAM which is far slower than the consoles).
edit: might have my sources for the memory mixed up, what does it have 16BG of 1066MHz main memory and 2GB of vMEM? I'm confused!

Give it some time and there will be some games that show off a lot more than anything that'll run on the PS3 or 360 (not just graphically, a lot of things are impossible with only 512MB of RAM). It should survive well into the next gen but it won't compete with Sony and MS's offerings (of course, and this was never Nintendo's intention)

The bottleneck as far as on-screen graphics quality goes will be down to fragment shader performance, just like PS3, 360 and PC. Simply due to the fact it is 2012, the shaders should be a lot more capable than the PS3 and 360.
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Tvensky  +   515d ago
2 Gb nowdays is nothing, putting that small amount is a big mistake.. and shortens life cycle!

EDIT: I just hope real next generation will provide us bigger leap forward than this!
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aquamala  +   516d ago
good to know GTX 680 is 8 times faster than current gen consoles lol
hellvaguy  +   515d ago
"good to know GTX 680 is 8 times faster than current gen consoles lol "

680 cards are about $500 alone with zero other components. Horrible comparison, even for a hardcore pc fanboy to use. Must be an act of desperation to grasp at such straws.
T900  +   515d ago
@hellvaguy

High end GPUs have diminishing returns on increasing performance. However if you took a 150usd GPU of today even that will be doing about 130-150GB/s

Which is still 5-7 times ahead of current consoles. Id say it still makes consoles look pretty bad.
bozebo  +   515d ago
Actually it's a lot more than 8 times as powerful, the memory is 8 times as fast but the shader performance scales way beyond that.
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lfclee  +   516d ago
xb360 and ps3
360: 22.4 GB/s + eDRAM for framebuffer
360: 22.4 GB/s + eDRAM for framebuffer

Your tripping @ FinalomegaS
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BitbyDeath  +   516d ago
You realise you copied the 360 line twice?
xflo360  +   515d ago
@asimleonheart - graphics graphics graphics graphics graphics graphics graphics graphics graphics graphics graphics graphics.... why is it that all u people care about is graphics? dispite the current gen being graphicly superior to past gens, litterally not a single game from this gen would be in my top games of all time list. graphics dont mean s@#*!!
AsimLeonheart  +   515d ago
I absolutely agree with you that graphics do not matter. I myself play several PSone games and have a large PSN classics on my PS3. Hell, I even play Captain Tsubasa on a NES emulator sometimes. I am an old gamer and I haev seen graphics evolving from 2d pixels to sprawling 3D worlds.
It is the Nintendo fans who started the specs war even though WiiU was clearly underpowered. But they were hoping against hope. I just did not like their attitude and wanted them to see and accept reality.
beerkeg  +   515d ago
'It is the Nintendo fans who started the specs war'

The Specs War is the war to end all wars. It's the big one, it's gonna be apocalyptic.

Not many people are going to walk away from this one, this is bigger than World War 2. This is the real deal.

I can only hope and pray that I can get me and my family through this alive.

God help us all.
meetajhu  +   510d ago
PC gaming is the best and will always remain the best!
wishingW3L  +   516d ago
Wii U Ram is slower than current gen consoles. And so it begins... We already know its CPU is weaker than PS3 and Xbox's too, now the question is, how good is its GPU? Because it'll need to be pretty powerful to make up for all these downfalls. =/
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decrypt  +   516d ago
Lol learn how hardware works. If memory bandwidth is bad it will cripple even the best gpu out there. There is no point matching a powerful GPU with a weak ass memory system. It would only be a waste of resources.
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so your saying that since wiiU has even less bandwidth than ps3/360 the gpu is bound to be unimpressive?

That's what I got from what you said.

I hope ninty doesn't drag down ps4 & xbox 720.

I don't know If wiiU could have this type of graphics.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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Da One  +   516d ago
@decrypt

True, very true. Hopefully nintendo can pull of something that makes my jaw drop....hopefully
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vulcanproject  +   516d ago
It is possible that Wii U lacks a great deal of main memory bandwidth because the edram actually on the same die as the GPU will offer pretty huge ass bandwidth to operate inside (probably 250+GB/s), and there is 32mb of it, plenty for an entire anti aliased framebuffer.

Nintendo would know that they could get away with cheapo DDR3 memory. It wouldn't be mind blowing but then it is quickly becoming apparent Wii U is not at all significantly faster than 360 and PS3.

I am sure it will still turn out somewhat faster than them, but not so much that it has enough raw performance to easily beat them without very good programming.
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Gamer1982  +   516d ago
Slower memory is more import factor then more ram purely because extra ram is helpful for the OS etc but for game because of how consoles are built memory speed is a more important benefactor. However thanks to the controller they could take some of the games features from the actual game and transfer them to the controller to help with the load I guess.

This does mean however the 360 and PS3 is more powerful than WiiU in real terms. Let me put it like this whats the point of being able to fill that extra space if you do it slower than your rivals? The speed bottlenecks the RAM for gaming in a sense and thus is the reason why we are seeing inferior versions of WiiU launch titles when it comes to multi-platform games. Of course you could offset this with longer loading times etc.. But we all know that wouldn't go down well and is seen as papering over the cracks.
bozebo  +   515d ago
Nope. The eDRAM chip will be insanely fast, they can stick textures for rendering a range of models in there, render the models, then slowly pull a new texture in from the slow RAM and use it in the super fast eDRAM chip again (probably has enough space for a few high res textures as well as a few frame-buffers for deferred rendering).

The graphical bottlenecks on current consoles are mostly in the shaders, but also in RAM quantity. I have no doubts that the shaders in the wii-u are vastly faster than the 360's simply because of tech improving (PS3's shaders are not so good, so programmers have to do a lot of things on the SPUs).

People are right to recognize that the slow memory could be an issue, but it really isn't - instancing and deferred rendering make great use of the eDRAM so textures are not loaded from the slow memory too often. On PC, if you have slow vide memory then it will certainly be a bottleneck - because there are no quirks such as eDRAM.
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cannon8800  +   516d ago
massive bottleneck anyone?
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3-4-5  +   516d ago
current Gen has 512 MB of RAM

Wii U = 2 GB

How is that less ?
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GraveLord  +   516d ago
It doesn't have less RAM, it has slower RAM. There is a difference kid. Read all the comments above yours, it pretty much explains why a next-gen consoles which has slower RAM speeds, is a huge negative.
caseh  +   516d ago
I'm no expert on current gen consoles but slow memory, even in abundance isn't a good thing.

The NES got around the shortage of memory using bank switching which is what im guessing the xbox/ps3 used a variant of. Just swapping things that the game needed in/out of memory as and when it was required.

I wouldn't write the Wii U off just yet though, no dev has drawn the capabilities from a console in its first month, even its first year would be a push.
DeadlyFire  +   515d ago
It is early speculation that this is not Dual channel memory. If its dual channel then its a plus and actually faster than X360/PS3 memory, but not by leaps and bounds. So many come to downsize the WiiU as soon as it hits the gates.
Schawk  +   516d ago
Would be nice if we started to see some physical evidence from these articles
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ronin4life  +   516d ago
At the end, they recommend caution in taking these findings too seriously instead of flipping out or something...

Is this really kotaku?
O.o;
edward3222  +   516d ago
I am waiting for it very nice
Squall5005  +   516d ago | Funny
Okay Borat.
JaggedCarpet  +   516d ago
Sorry, but I can never take kotaku seriously, no matter what the story is. At the end, it even says not to take these findings as gospel, since it was done by a third party. I'll wait until a more reputable site reviews the inner hardware.
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torchic  +   516d ago
but they're just reporting on what another website reported? :/

Kotaku is a douchebag site but they aren't doing much wrong here.
JaggedCarpet  +   516d ago
They're actually just reporting on what a single user on a forum said.

The site that did the actual teardown is here: http://www.pcper.com/review... Kotaku sourced the website.
It basically just shows what the inside looks like. They didn't actually test anything.

The forum user, AlStrong, made an assumption based on partial information. Opening up the console and reading a line on the memory does not give enough information to make an estimation. That's why I'll wait until actual testing is done.
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Thepcz  +   516d ago
the split screen effect?
well whatever the case, devs are managing to put out superior versions of multi-platform games. ie fifa is already confirmed to be visually superior to ps3/360 versions.

so if the wiiu hardware is so 'shit' how come devs are able to produce better results on wiiu on release date?

i smell shit. and its coming from the mouths of the people who wrote these articles.

in any case, it is quite apparent the wiiu isn't a massive leap in graphical capability.. i hope a price drop comes soon. black premium wiiu, 250pounds. then i will buy.

but 300 for a console with graphics tech 'comparable' to tech that came out half a decade ago... thats taking the piss!

If games will suffer graphically on wiiu, i think it will be due to the controller. ie, the extra processing power and resources it take on the computer. I can quite easily see the controller becoming a hindrance for wiiu.

I mean, just imagine how much smoother a game would run, and how much more detail could be put into graphics, if the game wasn't being rendered essentially twice. Remember split screen gaming on consoles, and how much graphical quality was lost in split screen in comparison to single player? Maybe wiiu will suffer similarly.
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Schawk  +   516d ago
Here is a video of the teardown, dosent mention anything about speeds tho

http://www.twitch.tv/pcper/...
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momthemeatloaf  +   516d ago
I know people like to look at specs but I've seen two Wii u ports (batman, fifa) up close and I saw no difference than current consoles. In fact the lighting and color on Wii u seemed more rich.

I don't think the Wii u is much more powerful than current consoles, but if it can port games that look just as good if not better in its early stages games will only continue to look better.

If I had to guess I'd say the wiiu is like an xbox360 on creatine
noorbert  +   516d ago
Nintendo, what a f*cking joke. Somehow they managed to put out dated hardware to 7 years old consoles. Even if Wii U will have great games in future, its still bad joke.
Ritsujun  +   515d ago
Well said.
richierich  +   516d ago
I was wondering why Nintendo only revealed the ram amount (2GB) at Nintendo Direct but didnt get specific on the speed but what becomes more apparent is why they havent revealed the GPU and CPU specs either. It was quite crafty to do this before people preordered their consoles. I just hope that it is more powerful than current gen when someone reveals the GPU and CPU
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chronoforce  +   516d ago
its because most people who brought wii consoles have no idea how the specs on a console translate into games unless your a software or hardware engineer or just in the know. How does it benefit an ordinary person to know hardware specs. People talk about Specs as if they are going to start developing games for the wii U, the only people specs matter to are the people who need to use it.
Megaton  +   516d ago
Well, it's hardly surprising. Roughly 1/3 - 1/2 of what you're paying for a Wii U covers the controller. Doesn't leave a lot of money left to make a beefy console and still make a profit. Didn't think it would be worse than current gen, though.
cee773  +   516d ago
http://www.aliexpress.com/i...

this link contains a full blown 7inch tablet with a 5 point multitouch ips screen 100x600 res that puts wii u's vga 480p screen to shame bear with me it also contains 1gb og ddr3 (same class as wii U), dual core soc with quad core mali, 16gb flash, front camera, hdmi, sd card slot, 3700mah battery sell all for less than 100$ so imagine how much it is to manufacture these tablets under 65-75$ in bulk maybe lower

the only thing wii u gampad has is a vga screen, bluetooth, small battery etc. when you go toe to toe and compare the gamepad with the similar components of the tablet (forget the ram soc, sd card slot, flash etc) compare the screen and battery, camera you will see the gamepad is not as expensive as nintendo want us to believe I gurantee theres huge markups on the wii u gamepad
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sitharrefus  +   516d ago
Why cant we just be happy with it? We knew that it wasnt going to get all high specs, at least its decent but yes the PS4 and 360 will blow the WiiU......
noorbert  +   516d ago
Noone's telling you not be happy with it. Go and take it on boat trip if you like. I for one, am concerned in what state industry is, if people are happy about buying new console which is worse piece of hardware than last gen hardware. Console is after only hardware and nothing more, and it is supposed to allow developers to do whatever they want or at least try and expand possibilites with each new hardware and Nintendo failed at this completely.
sitharrefus  +   516d ago
But your forgetting that Nintendo asked developers what they wanted for specs and they were pleased with the WiiU and they showed that at E3. Personally i am a bit disappointed and i agree with you of being concerned in the state of the industry. But i believe it all comes down to user choice and having 3 different choices to buy a system its better than having 1.
noorbert  +   516d ago
@sitharrefus

Definitely, i just wonder if Wii U will be succesful with this strategy, then Sony and MS will adopt this strategy and we can give farewell to gaming as you know it, since Nintendo isnt going for anything else but shovelware and causals. But as long as its only Nintendo i dont care. But honestly its first Nintendo console i am super non-interested in.
gerbintosh  +   516d ago
@sitharrefus

Why wouldn't the developers not be happy with tech that was not leaps and bounds over the last gen?

1. Less learning curve, check.
2. Less cost in developing, check.
3. Being able to port games easier, check.

Developers were happy to have the Wii U at current specs because it would be less cost on their bottom line, period. SO yeah, less impressive specs equals a happier developer who can just take their 360/PS3 knowledge and port it to Wii U with little cost associated.

So the fact that developers were pleased with the system does not hold water with me.
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ylwzx3  +   516d ago
I lol at everyone thinking the next consoles are going to be leaps and bounds better graphically. It just simply isn't going to happen for the price range everyone would like. Wii U will hold its own just fine.
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Imalwaysright  +   516d ago
It doesnt have to be leaps and bounds better, It just has to be noticeably better. If not what is the point in upgrading? I didnt expect a revolution but i did expect the WiiU to at least be able to outperform both the PS3 and 360 right out of the box.
Qrphe  +   515d ago
Have you missed the engine demos by SE and EG?

Yes, do expect way better-looking Wii U games that will show how it's more powerful than the PS360, but that's about it.
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sway_z  +   516d ago
Yes the Wii U is a disappointment IMO...but then I gave up on Nintendo after the Gamecube.

The 2nd screen doesn't have to be utilized...they can make games that use it as just a controller (obviously), so don't worry about losing resources on 2nd screen rendering.

I hope Nintendo fans get everything they want out of Wii U, and i'm sure the fans get Nintendo products for Nintendo's own 1st party games.

As for the rest of us....?

I fear only Nintendo will provide the gaming goodness...and the 3rd Party developers will (eventually) flock to whatever Sony or MS bring to the table....

Does not this all feel very familiar? ....Wii have been here before!

YES! >Pun intended
PirateThom  +   516d ago
You know the worst thing about the system?

It's marginally better but also has to stream to that screen, that takes processes away from the main display.

Result?

Marginally better graphics than we currently have. Why are people accepting this? This is the same company that said people don't want HD.
TripC50  +   516d ago
I want great games.
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richierich  +   516d ago
I want great games that look great
chronoforce  +   516d ago
all of the best selling games this gen where low tech and in standard def. That alone proves they had every reason to believe people didn't want HD, it may have been stupid but it was true. People didn't buy HD TV's because of consoles though it helped,its because they became cheaper and were better. HD tech is cheaper than it was 7 years ago from Nintendo's point of view its the perfect time to release a HD console, even though Nintendo is selling at a loss I doubt its as much as Sony's or Microsoft's. Lots of people will buy the WiiU and soon they will be rolling in profits again. such is life.
TheTwelve  +   516d ago
Uncharted 2 says hi
SegataShanshiro  +   515d ago
Wii U is current gent....Xbox 360 and ps3 are last gen
Kennytaur  +   515d ago
Gran Turismo 5 sends it's regards too.
profgerbik  +   515d ago
I agree but for me it's gotten to a point where Nintendo could have stepped it up by now, they are the richest gaming division in the world but their systems just barely breeze by every time in terms of hardware. Which doesn't make any sense to me that companies losing money can put out better hardware than Nintendo.

I honestly still have yet to see these improvements in graphics, the only comparisons anyone makes are with redeveloped ports. Of course those ports are going to look better on the Wii U, than older ones on the PS3 and 360.

That is common sense.

I will see the real proof when PS3, 360 and Wii U all the get a game at the same time, then people can start comparing them which hasn't really happened.

You cannot compare newer redeveloped ports to that of older ones, that had plenty of time to make a lot of changes from the last. It just isn't enough for me to believe this system is that much more powerful or even graphically.

So as of yet their truly hasn't been any proof to actually say the system does indeed have better graphics.

Also any systems true power comes from it's processor, always.. which we still know very little about. If I know Nintendo or hell even IBM.. it won't be pretty but who knows.. I am just basing it off history and Nintendo seems to repeat theirs a lot.
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givemeshelter  +   516d ago
Nintendo's business model is one that has hardware making a profit from the beginning and keeping margins above board.
So to do this either you create a system that has close to cutting edge specs and charge a high retail price or you create a system that has below average specifications based on current technology and sell it for market prices.
Nintendo does the latter.
You wont see too much of a difference in graphical looks from the WiiU over the Xbox360 or PS3.
You will see better frame rates and a few more graphical effects. However nothing mind blowing.
Once again however, $600+ PC's will still look better.
This is where I am disappointed in Nintendo. I expected a little bit more from them.
TemplarDante  +   516d ago
Happy BIRTHDAY Mr Miyamoto :)
We opened up your new baby and saw its current/last gen tech!
Your wish didnt come true :(

lol
DJ  +   516d ago
Looks like it's almost as powerful as PS3 and 360, but does offer more RAM to work with. It continue's Nintendo's strategy of selling hardware at a profit, so in the end it still works out. The only problem I see is Microsoft and Sony teaming up on Nintendo when Durango and Orbis are released with significantly greater specs.

The Wii sold a lot of units, but most of those units are collecting dust for a reason. And I doubt people would invest in a Wii U after that initial experience.
VverdugovV  +   516d ago
Wow I wasn't expecting this. Also no GTA V for Wii U is a huge dissapointment. Looks like I'll pass on this system.
millzy102  +   516d ago
obviously you have a different system because if your intrested in 5 you've played 4 and the all the previous ones so what's wrong with owning two systems.
josephayal  +   516d ago
Def a high end machine
chukamachine  +   516d ago
Wtf is the article going on about, that speed.

360: 22.4 GB/s + eDRAM for framebuffer
PS3: 25.6 GB/s main memory BW + 22.4 GB/s graphics memory BW, no eDRAM

I don't think the wii u is 17gb/s

I think it's more in the region of 28-30gb/s.

As I said before, You'll see more 720p games run at 720p and smooth, Probably some better shadows/textures. But won't be massive difference from ps3/360.
gerbintosh  +   516d ago
The Wii U is a graphical leap in terms of the Wii. Not as great a leap on the 360/PS3 as they stated. I wonder what they are going to do when, in preparation for the next gen, the 360/PS3 drop to $99 next year. I don't think a touch screen controller will justify a $230 markup in some people minds.
Kennytaur  +   515d ago
Do not underestimate the power of Nintendos brand recognition. Just that one word written on the box will sell it.
Nodoze  +   516d ago
I think everyone is forgetting that this is Nintendo. It is not like this is the first time they have done this. This is what they ALWAYS do! Nintendo is not, and never will be cutting edge from a hardware perspective. They are all about gameplay and great original software. I am excited at the prospect of FINALLY seeing some HD Mario and Zelda. Super Mario Galaxy 3 HD YES PLEASE> Zelda HD YES PLEASE.

For all the naysayers out there look to the portable space. The Vita is leaps and bounds more powerful than the 3DS, yet it is getting smoked at retail. It is ALL about the software, and quite honestly Nintendo has NEVER let us down there.

Will it be as successful as Wii, no, but it will be fun.
shackdaddy  +   516d ago
What? This is not what they always do. They only decided to go lower end specs with the wii after the gamecube didn't sell too well....
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millzy102  +   516d ago
agree mostly but n64 more powerful then Saturn and psx, snes more powerful then genedis/megadrive, GameCube more powerful then ps2 and dreamcast, they have produced cutting edge tech also gba most advance portable at the time and de started touch screen gaming.
Ritsujun  +   515d ago
Didn't you know that casual gaming handheld/non-handheld consoles sell like hotcakes?
e.g. Mobile gaming
Qrphe  +   516d ago
Does anyone know the source to the actual... well... source?
aquamala  +   516d ago
the source is "User AlStrong on the Beyond 3D forums" lol
prototypeknuckles  +   516d ago
Lmao, man those hackers are fast.
MasterCornholio  +   516d ago
I was expecting better but the most important thing about the Wii U is the controller and the only thing that is wrong with it is the resistive touch screen. Nintendo in my opinion should have gone with a capacitive one.
Quetzll  +   516d ago
Resistive touchscreens are more accurate, since you can use a stylus or something similar. With a capacitive, you pretty much HAVE to use your fingers. Also, newer resistive touchscreens have a wider sensitivity range. Which helps with drawing tools and other stuff we all saw on the original wiiU reveal.

A resistive is more "hardcore" for lack of a better term.
DeadPixel  +   516d ago
I was never expecting it to be leaps ahead of current gen, i'll be happy if it matches or is slighty better. The main reason i will be buying it because i want something different in terms of how i play games, kinect is a massive joke to me and in terms of gimmicks it tops the lot, so i'm looking forward to see how devs will utilise the pad.
richierich  +   516d ago
The 2 guys on twitch.tv were anxious to know what the GPU and CPU specs were but they were too scared to take them apart because they might damage them. Why cant Nintendo just tell us the full specs instead of leaving with no other option but to take apart the console ourselves.
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dee-ecks  +   516d ago
Wow, cracked in less than a week. Damn that was quick!!
dee-ecks  +   516d ago
A disagree? Whats there to disagree about?
ambientFLIER  +   516d ago
You mean opened? lol
Skynetone  +   516d ago
I update my ram and gpu all the time with windows update, after the wiiu gets a update are two, it will easily outperform the gtx 680
Qrphe  +   516d ago
> it will easily outperform the gtx 680

Seriously?
ashcroft  +   516d ago
You cannot update ram and gpu via updates, those are called dtivers to allow the 3D acceleration and fix any bugs.

There are no updates or any update than can magically update the gpu to that or greater of a gtx 680. This is like going back to the late 90's and asking people where to download ram.

Another example of how stupid you sound. I'll update my ps3's firmware so I can make it into a ps4.
MrAnderson  +   515d ago
That was quite possibly the dumbest thing i've ever heard anyone say ever, yes, your puny little $200 console that cannot even run 60 FPS/1080p (something that even 5 year old PC's can do on better looking games) will be more powerful than the top single PC GPU on the market that is currently $600-$800.

There is no facepalm big enough for your moronicy.
The_Infected  +   516d ago
Sorry but this article is wrong about the memory.

http://site.gamingallthetim...
tubers  +   515d ago
Wonderful.
profgerbik  +   515d ago
No one is showing what the Wii U can do even in that article.

Yes let's use Batman a completely new version at that which was re-worked specifically for the Wii U as an example.

Am I the only person who notices how retarded that is? Of course the newer version of Batman will have more detail and of course more features than the old ass ones that were on PS3 and 360.

If they release the Wii U's Batman now on PS3 and 360 I can promise you it would look exactly the same.

Just a really bad comparison.. true shot comparison my ass.. it's a redeveloped port, of course it will look better than older versions of the game, doesn't take a nuclear physicists to figure that out.
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