Trine 2 Dev Caught Surprised When Initial PS4 Build Itself Was Running at 1080p/60FPS

"The PS4 and Xbox One are now available for all and sundry to experience - unless you don't count that the PS4 has yet to launch in Europe. Just about every developer out there has a stake in the next-generation, including Frozenbyte who is releasing Trine 2: Complete Story for the PS4."

[Xsilver]

That Power can catch you off guard sometimes http://youtu.be/Gbn_9-BwrVQ

[cleft5]

I love that most of the surprises from the ps4 are good ones.

[MurDocINC]

I hope that includes 3D cause trine2 is so beautiful in 3D.

[Eonjay]

Game looks good and it launches on Friday! I think Tiny Brains launches on Friday as well.

[jebabcock]

Although There is no bluray 3d support yet. Vudu provides 3d content on ps4 and any other app/game can use it as well.

[kingduqc]

dev being surprise it can do something games have been doing back in 2006 isn't really surprising. It should be expected.

[come_bom]

Yep, a lot of developers are praising the PS4's raw power. Kudos to Sony for making a powerful console. Getting mine next year when Infamous releases.

[MightyNoX]

It's the console that keeps on giving.

[Ezz2013]

and they also praise how it easy to develop for

[AilonTrusk]

This game is amazing in 3D.

[Holeran]

It isn't 3-d on PS4 though right?

[abstractel]

It is 1080p/60FPS 3D enabled.

[WeAreLegion]

Yes, it is! I was so happy there was at least one 3D game at launch. :) I hope Resogun gets a 3D patch at some point. And WHY is ACIV not in 3D on next-gen consoles?!? That makes no sense.

[PSVita]

Thought the ps4 didn't support 3D?

[IRetrouk]

No 3d blu ray at launch, but will probably be an update for that, devs that want to do 3d games can. Just glad my tv has the 3d button to change any channel 3d

[amnalehu]

Tried it in 3D this morning and it is splendid!

[Silly gameAr]

The way Sony was pushing 3D last gen, I'm ALMOST sure that 3D will come to the PS4 eventually.

[esemce]

Yes but is limited to 30fps in 3D.

[amnalehu]

sure looked like it held 60fps to me.

[OCEANGROWNKUSH]

@amnalehu

To create the 3d effect it essentially shows 2 images slightly off set... So a 60fps game becomes a 30fps game when in 3D due to having to basically process it twice.

[HardcoreDaBoss]

there is no way ps4 cant handle 1080 at 60fps in 3d for trine 2.. It has a custom radeon 7870 which is really good

[Nerdmaster]

@OCEANGROWNKUSH
Not necessarily. Just because a game runs at 60fps, it doesn't mean that it's the maximum it can achieve. Maybe it could be run at higher framerate, but it's capped at 60fps because that's what most displays can show. In fact, if a game was running at 60fps and it was using all the power it could, there would be terrible drops in framerate everytime something more demanding happened on screen.

That, and the fact that there are some optimizations in 3D to not render absolutely everything twice (for example, using 3D Vision on PC, the framerate almost never drops to half), makes it possible for 3D games to not have to drop to 30fps.

And Trine 2 isn't that demanding. Unless they made some graphical enhancements, if the initial build already achieved 1080p/60fps, it could very well run at 60fps in 3D with optimizations. Or they could drop the resolution to keep 60fps if necessary. The point is: just because a game is running in 3D, it doesn't mean it's 30fps.

[OpenGL]

Unfortunately HDMI 1.4 does not support 1080p 3D at 60Hz, but is instead limited to 24Hz currently. If you want to play at 60Hz in 3D you're limited to 720p currently when using HDMI.

Sony and Microsoft were eager to release their consoles this holiday season, and as a result did not get the benefit of HDMI 2.0 which is expected to release soon and will support 4K at 60Hz as well as 1080p 3D at 60Hz.

In fairness to both of them, no TV on the market currently supports HDMI 2.0, and the number of potential PS4 and Xbox One owners that will own a HDMI 2.0 compliant TV in 2014 is probably extremely small, so waiting around for the feature would be pointless. Even if they did I wouldn't expect developers to really take advantage of the feature anyway since again, it would be a very limited number of users that would benefit from it.

[Sevir]

@HardcoreDaBoss

It's very much running at 60fps in 3d.

Super Stardust HD Was 1080p 60fps on ps3, and when they updated the game with 3D support, to maintain the 3D at 60fps, they simply dual rendered the game at 720p at 120fps. Housemarque confirned this with Eurogamer as they were the ones who published the article on the performance breakdown of the new engine they used!

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[Holeran]

Nice I read somewhere that they weren't going to make PS4 3-d enabled and was hoping that was wrong because I just purchased a 3-d tv last year.

[LoTuZ]

I have it in 3D but says its only 1080p when I 0ull status on my tv.. What gives? Yes, my tv is 1080.

[LoTuZ]

Blah I meant it says its only 720p

[Skate-AK]

3D causes a performance hit. Developers have to either lower the resolution or framerate. The game probably runs 720p/30fps in 3D.

[MasterCornholio]

Im impressed with the quantity of games that are running in 1080P on the PS4.

P.S I just got my first PS4 game today yey. However i have to wait until friday to play AC4. :(

[sigfredod]

I understand you ,went trough the same pain but when you turn on this beast on Friday ,will blow you away

[DeadMansHand]

When I first turned on ACBF and saw that lush jungle and great draw distance I was literally dumbfounded. That right there made dealing with day one stress worth it.

[badboy776]

I gotta wait till tax time.

[EXVirtual]

Very excited for the PS4's future. I'll be purchasing a PS4 next year.
I think the PS4 is going to get most games at native 1080p this gen, due to optimizations. Most, not all.

[EXVirtual]

Also, I can't wait for Trine 2! The game would look amazing in 3D!

[Sarcasm]

Probably 95% will be 1080p. So far the only single non-1080p game on the PS4 is BF4.

[Felonycarclub8]

Is this going to be the first game on PS4 in 3D? And if so in can't wait to try it on 3d

[skyrimer]

Yeah, I think it is. I've played it already in 3d with Nvidia 3d vision, and it's one of the most beautiful games to play in 3d, you'll be surprised how good it looks.

[Felonycarclub8]

I hope so I can't wait to try it

[PurpHerbison]

3D suddenly became worthy? I'd have to try this for myself to believe it.

[Pandamobile]

@Purp

3D is the same as its been. It's just a better on consoles now they you aren't displaying 3D with crap graphics.

[WeedyOne]

I played the demo in 3d last night. The 3d looks AMAZING!

[Holeran]

It is 3-d on PS4?

[WeedyOne]

YUP! This is probably one of the best looking 3d games iv ever played.

[MidnytRain]

Why would they be surprised? This game is simple as s**t.

“In terms of advantages over the PC version, I think some people prefer playing their games on a controller as opposed to a keyboard and mouse..."

Lolwut??

[MightyNoX]

Different strokes, my friend.

[MidnytRain]

You can use a controller on PCs. Why do people still think otherwise? The quote makes no sense. There's no "advantage" if you can do it on both platforms.

[nirwanda]

@midnytrain I think the statement was because of the inclusion of the touch pad to enhance the control system instead of a keyboard/mouse combo, or indeed joypad mouse

[Nerdmaster]

@nirwanda
The part where he talked about the touchpad was like "and on top of that...". So the first part was clearly as if you couldn't use a controller on a PC. I use an Xbox 360 controller for almost every game on PC that's not first person or a strategy game.

[GirlOnFire]

PS4 up top not PC. Read carefully please. Yes you can use controller on PC but not the full use of Dualshock 4. ^~^
They are surprised by probably how easy it is to obtain 1080p 60fps on PS4 compared to other consoles.

[MidnytRain]

The touchpad? That's pointless if you can use a mouse anyway. Plus, someone's bound to find a way to make the touchpad work for the loons who like gesture gaming. My guess is those guys are occupied with Angry Birds and Temple Run at the moment.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

What's the confusion?

[darksky]

The game appears simple at first glance but actually needs some decent graphics card to run at 60fps maxed out.

I tried it out yesterday on my i7 3770 @ 4.3GHZ and an AMD 7950 and it actually had problems maintaining a solid 60fps at 1680x1050 resolution when everything was maxed out with Extreme (FXAA + 4xSSAA).
It kept dipping to around 55 fps many times. The cpu usage was not much (<20%) but the GPU usage was over 95% most of the time and touched 100% in some places.

Graphically there is alot of stuff going on with lots of effects hence why the devs were probably surprised by how well the PS4 handled it.

[MidnytRain]

That sounds like an SSAA thing. If you turned that off your fps would probably shoot through the roof. I imagine the console version won't be getting super sampling...

[Ingram]

...Excuse my ignorance, but why would you use FXAA+4xSSAA?

[frostypants]

Well, he could have said "some people aren't dorky enough to hook a PC up to their TV" but that would offend you.

[SkullBlade169]

Never mind, misread comment...

[smashman98]

Stop getting so frustrated some people just don't like gaming on pc.

[ELCUCO]

I really want to play this game. As soon as I'm done with most of the Killzone trophies, I'm going in. I love 3D gaming!

[SynestheticRoar]

Trine was a attractive, and superb game. I look forward to playing Trine 2 very much.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

How come you haven't played it yet?

[DeadMansHand]

Trine 2 is an awesome game. Looks so good and great puzzles and gameplay. Really impressed me.

[someoneagain]

Beautiful game, but hardly intensive. Here's the game running at 3840x2160 with High FXAA, 2x SSAA. Average 80fps, dips to 65fps.

http://imgur.com/a/KOnKC#0 (click the cog in an image's top-right and View Full Resolution)

FYI, 2xSSAA rendering 3840x2160 has eight times the number of pixels of 1920x1080.

[Ingram]

The game is intensive, your numbers are off, and the PS4 is still both inferior to a high end PC and a pretty mighty console.

I just don't get what you PC guys are trying to state here, really.

[someoneagain]

> I just don't get what you PC guys are trying to state here, really.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

That's the game running on a Radeon 7850 at 52.3fps average. Two things. First, the card is $100 new for Buy Now on Ebay. Second, the highest AA setting is "FXAA + 4xSSAA." 4xSSAA means each pixel is sampled from an image 4x larger, averaged, and downsampled to the display resolution. 4xSSAA is performance equivalent of rendering at 4K natively.

On top that, this is at the beginning of the console's life. In a year, they won't even manufacture a GPU that slow. To match the performance of a botton-end, end-of-life product is hardly impressive.

[OsirisBlack]

@Someoneagain I own a gaming PC,PS4 and XB1. They are all impressive the thing I think separates me from most other PC gamers is that I know we are the minority. Look at the Sales for games that are multi platform and release on PC,Xbox and PS systems. The consoles always outsell PC's and by a large margin most times. In my mind its because consoles are a more patient practice while most PC gamers are all instant Gratification.

What I mean is A console systems games tend to get better and better over the course of several years. Where as PC games can be better now either through more power or mods or both. The problem is Consoles are not ever going away as much as it seems some PC gamers would like them to. Developers for the most part will never just focus on PC gamers only and it is really PC gamers faults. How quickly is a GPU outdated?

My wife got a 7790 HD in april and it was outdated withing a month. The problem with that is when you buy a gpu new and its outdated in less time than it takes to install the thing it starts to feel "to most" like a waste. Also Consoles will always make it so your super GPU is meaningless as there is no developer that would shoot their profits in the foot by developing a game that only the top 9% of gamers could enjoy. Imagine someone making a game that REQUIRED a true top end gaming pc and how badly it would sell.

PC gamers would do well to be happy that consoles are at least becoming more powerful, as they do PC games will also evolve graphically. Most companies will not make a game that a console cannot run as again it would detract from their bottom line.

on topic Trine 2 is amazing on PS4 and is one of the most fun games currently on the system and yes it looks great in 3D.

[GDDR6_2014]

I'm so impressed ps4 can run this beautiful game at 1080p 60fps, what a powerful machine

[Ingram]

Shadow Kuma/Teddie gives me the creeps.
And the desire for a Persona 3+4 HD compilation.

[HardcoreDaBoss]

doesnt the wii u run this at 1080p at 60fps?? I thought I heard it did somewhere

[Enemy]

^ Looks like the PC boys aren't too happy with the statement.

[Nerdmaster]

Yes, because consoles finally being able to run a 2 years old game at 1080p/60fps truly shows that PCs aren't the most powerful machines anymore, right?

[zerog]

I think that pc pushers forget is that pcs have always had more power then consoles but for a long time console games were way better looking then pc. Only the last 10-15 years has pc been able to out perform consoles but to get them to do that it still takes a lot more power in a pc to out do the current consoles. This is mainly due to the fact that a pc still has to be a pc first and run a pc operating system. Think about it, pcs didnt start out doing consoles till consoles started needing operating systems but those systems still use less resources then pc.

[Rageanitus]

Wrong, the power of the PC gaming era started when Doom 1 came out. That was 1993. No console could do true 3d sprites back then. Hell games like Dune 2 came out in 1992.

PC gaming really started when the 386/ 486 DX chip came out from INTEL

The PC platform only started becoming as a viable source of home computing when PC's started becoming more affordable.

Before the 90's machiens used to cost easily 3000$

[zerog]

I see your point but I had doom on my old casio boulder phone so I didn't take much power to run. My point is you cant get the performance out of a pc that you can a console for the same price. You might come close to matching specs but that's not near enough to match performance. Take the last of us on ps3 for example, its a beautifully rendered game on a machine with a grand total of 512MBs of ram. Can you show me a pc that can produce the same visuals with only 512MBs of ram? It simply cant be done, there's not even been a windows operating system that will run properly on 512 since xp.

[zerog]

Oh btw the snes came out in 1990 in japan and 91 in na, doom came out for snes in 95 so technically there was a console that could run it 2years earlier then your statement. Granted it was a slightly gimped version but still proves 3d was possible on consoles since at least 90.

[Rageanitus]

Exactly doom came out in 95, and even with the so called optimization console gamers like to throw around it was still pretty much gimped.

By MID 96 we were already in the stage of Quake 3 and 3dfx video cards.

[kryteris]

Why would this be surprising? Trine 2 is a 2 year old platformer.

[Rageanitus]

Umm WHY are ppl so surprised of this. This game is 2 YEARS OLD thats 4 refreshes of videocards.

Even after the reverse engineering article we can see that the GPU is essentially a ~ 7850 ATI card that is worht 150$ > 200$.

It's funny how ppl are jumping the gun and say the PS4 has "unlimitless" power.

It's funny how many ppl bash apple followers and call them sheep, but this seems to follow the same with console only players.

It kindov reminds me how ppl were soo amazed at having Bejeweled on Xbox live .... LIKE IT WAS A SELLING POINT.

[Ingram]

It's almost like your anitus is raging

[PersonMan]

"unlimitless" doesn't make sense? It's either "limitless" or "unlimited".

[RE_L_MAYER]

Imagine elder scrolls without lag :o

[PersonMan]

I don't think it's that surprising that a new console in 2013 will run an old game so well.

[kratos_zeus]

this is the power of ps4 it is a high end pc

[kratos_zeus]

ps4 is a monster console it can run any game in full hd

[PS4FEVER]

As a ps4 fanboy, i find this article ridiculous. How could they be surprised at 1080p 60 frams per second at a last gen game like trine 2..

[RVanner_]

Check the system requirements of this game below.

It should be able to run at 60fps at 10k+ resolutions way into the future. Its an awesome game and does looks good but c'mon its not a surprise.

OS: Windows 7 / Vista / XP
Processor: 2.0 GHz CPU (Dual Core recommended)
Memory: 1 GB
Hard Disk Space: 2.5 GB
Video Card: ATi Radeon HD 2400 or NVIDIA GeForce 7600 or better (Shader Model 3.0 needs to be supported)
DirectX®: 9.0c
Sound: DirectX 9.0c compatible
Additional: *Please note that Trine 2 may not run on most Intel graphics solutions used in 2004-2009. The game does run on new (2010-) Intel HD Graphics 3000 or better.