Albert Penello Puts dGPU Xbox One Rumor To Rest

Albert Penello, Microsoft’s Senior Director of Product Planning and Management denies rumor via his twitter.

[GarrusVakarian]

There you go, straight from the horses mouth. This should hush all those delusionals who constantly spew garbage in all of the Xbox articles.

I don't think i need to mention any names.

[Angeljuice]

I very much doubt that.

[Godlovesgamers]

It's funny that you really care that much about what someone says about one console or another. There are so many other problems in this World, how do you manage to focus so much attention on something so pointless?

[Godlovesgamers]

@Lukas_Japonicus

You: Your reply to my post is extremely ironic, don't you see that?

Me: No. All I see is you caught up in a "War" of video game consoles. Funny that you still haven't responded to the question, but dodged it instead. Don't you see that as extremely ironic? I'm just curious as to why it is you and everyone else cares so much about something so pointless. Why do you care? Do you have stock in sony? Are you a sony dev? Are you even employed in any facet of the gaming industry?

You: Little do you know but i have no bubbles (replies) left in that conversation, don't you feel silly now? And if this is all so pointless why are you taking the time to reply to my messages, THAT'S what is ironic. Idiot.

"The user has blocked you"

Me: Evade, evade, evade. Obviously you don't have an intelligent answer to my question(s) and have now debased yourself by resorting to "name-calling" as your only defense because at the end of the day the answer to my question is really just a truth about yourself that you'd rather not address.

P.S. Nice move getting your pathetic little insult in and then "Blocking" me. How sad.

Oh and nice lie too, "Little do you know but i have no bubbles (replies) left in that conversation" LOL! You have 5 bubbles left!! Nice try. You're just as bad as "all those delusionals".

[BallsEye]

http://misterxmedia.livejou...

Read up. From what it sounds is 1 gpu split into 2 units, stereo gpu or whatever. Read it :)

[Flutterby]

Derp, it's obvious this guy has no idea what he is talking about by the fact the story changes after each story he makes up gets debunked , news just in mrx aka elite24gamer says the Xbox one has hidden alien technology that MS bought from Area 51 personnel and gddr42 ram from the future because they built a time machine , the ppl in the future can't say anything tho cos it's under NDA

[Prcko]

all those rumors...
i will w8 for release,and ofc comparison

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Arm your .gifs and commence the hate!

Never thought it was true but never thought it needed it. Looking at the launch games and if it's going to just get better from here then I'm not concerned. Not sure what tech deep-dives are but sounds like mumbojumbo.

[M-M]

He's probably talking about the features in the CPU from the hot chips thing.

[Horny]

Seriously, I think both systems will do just fine. Slight better performance from ps4 but it won't be anything game breaking and everybody will still enjoy the games.
I'm looking past this tech battle. I just can't wait to see what games are coming in the next two years.
Can't wait for mgs5

[jimmywolf]

i agree with your statement, just don't like how x box handle last gen, nor agree with their vision for the future of gaming.

[pixelsword]

I don't see how a 50% boost is slight.

[BallsEye]

"The wording Albert has used in explaining the dgpu is correct ... there is no single big discrete gpu. As its all on the main single chip. And the components are split into two. That is also why there are three gpu blocks on the hotchip slides.
And this deep down tech = stereo driver. They are just wording things differently as to have impact."

I think it's not over

http://misterxmedia.livejou...

[Flutterby]

It's not over because it was never under . You and anyone that links that clown are being marked as spam and have no credibility at all.

[M-M]

I don't think Frigid will like this bit of information lol. A dual GPU would mean a price increase, and don't even say they can't announce anything because of the NDA.

[ziggurcat]

thetruthx1, and elite24gamer will take this news even harder.

[T2]

Maybe they wanted the 799 model xbone to be announced

[TIER1xWOLFPACKx]

elitegamer didnt like this article. so much so he decided to pm this, he is so deluded he thinks there is 3 grahics processors totalling 4.2 tflops

Microsoft has been slowly moving themselves into sonygaf.. only right as to give clear info to the miss informed. You will see all this come together by the 30th. The wording Albert has used in explaining the dgpu is correct ... there is no single discrete gpu. As its all on the main single chip.

And the components are split into two. That is also why there are three gpu blocks on the hotchip slides.

grafix processer 1 = 1.95 tflops = orange square( Likely 2 DPUs working together with a cpu core or two to manage 1 probably for physics 1 for straight grafix)

Graffix processer 2 = gpgpu = 1.31 tflops = pink square (jag cores working with 12 cus for gpgpu in main soc)

Graffix processer 3 = 1 tflop= yellow square (Likely 2 more DPUs(dedicated Processing Units) working together, one for 1 rendering 1 for shading, also working with some cpu for management)

http://semiaccurate.com/201...

If you click the link, you can see there are 3 parts of the Graphics Processor. It's literally right in front of our eyes, it just hasn't been explained due to the NDA.

And this deep down tech = stereo driver. They are just wording things differently as to have impact.

ELITEGAMER YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT TECHNOLOGY

[BG11579]

Tier1xWOLFPACKx, I clicked on the link and only got "Not Found"? End of argument...

[pixelsword]

Well, the site was called "semiaccurate".

[EXVirtual]

Yep. And misterx must be sitting in a corner.

[DOOMZ]

Albert Pennelo is correct as dGPU inside Xbox One is not single big discrete GPU:
http://misterxmedia.livejou...

[GarrusVakarian]

I bet that all the fanboys who spewed their crap about the Xbox One having dual GPU's wont even dare to reply to this article out of sheer embarrassment.

[True_Samurai]

I really wasn't caring for the dgpu I just want the damn thing on my TV stand

[Baka-akaB]

they'll hide as usual , and then come back with some other fallacy or half truth

[deSSy2724]

It was a rumor, you know what that means? and no, im not even a Xbox fan (never owned their consoles) but you obiviosly are a fanboy.

[iamnsuperman]

Finally can we can put this bull that misterxmedia started (that is where this originated from) to rest.

[theWB27]

I only claimed there were components about the X1 that haven't been revealed. I never settled on the Dgpu...in any other event. What are tech deep dives?

[M-M]

No one asked you what you claimed. The tech deep dives are the features in the hardware that makes the console unique from it's competitors.

[theWB27]

No one said you had to answer my post either. Still...appreciate the answer.

@Cupid_Viper_3
The main thing I run with are the games...they look just as good as the other platform.

My OG question was answered. I'll still be waiting on what the rest of the X1 has inside despite this...and still purchasing an X1 despite N4G or the absence of a dGPU.

You guys have fun with ensuing back and forth. I'll continue getting my script out ; )

@aceitman
Was already reading it.

[Cupid_Viper_3]

" I never settled on the Dgpu...in any other event. What are tech deep dives?"

Oh it's just the next thing you're gonna run with. Did you not get the memo?

[Thehyph]

Probably only runs 6 svchost executables instead of 75 like a proper Windows OS.

I'm still waiting for the day that I can buy a new laptop that either a) has Android, or b) has no trace of Windows.

[aceitman]

I found this tdd
http://www.dwavesys.com/en/...

[baodeus]

something like this perhaps?

http://vimeo.com/65140006

[cell989]

BS I clearly remember you boasting about the dGPU that would be revealed "once AmD lifted the nda" it was either you or your buddy Jokesonyou

[theWB27]

Clearly it wasn't me. I say that tech sites say there are components missing thus they don't have a clear picture of what the X1 does. My argument is always "theres something missing" since Hotchips didn't lay everything out.

Try Jokesonyou...

[n4rc]

Very few actually bought into all that dgpu stuff...

There was some hope for it, but it always seemed unlikely.. There is still info to come out tho..

I only remember one guy that kept linking to it..

[MRMagoo123]

@n4rc

One guy kept linking it ???? I have at least 5 ppl on a list that said it was all true and the ps4 fans are gonna eat crow when it all comes out at least 5.

[n4rc]

I only recall one.. There could have been more but I remember one guy that posted it a few times... People swearing it was more then a rumor is another story.. I'm just referring to the guy that kept posting that blog

I commented on it... It made some sense and was certainly possible with the NDA and Microsoft playing coy... They still are, but clearly not about the dgpu..

[PrimeGrime]

Trust me you said I have to answer your post. So I will, I am sure you remember our little debate yesterday.

You are so full of shit, you went out of way to tell me it wasn't just a rumor, way out of your way. No one believes me, read these posts in this other article. At the bottom.

http://n4g.com/news/1349812...

I just spent so much time yesterday telling this person it wasn't true and they could not accept it for the life of 'em. Again one of the douche bags who never can admit they were wrong who instead just tries to twist it so they look good.

You try and play coy all you want.. You went to great lengths yesterday to say I was wrong and that this rumor was legitimate. You even went as far as to say how stupid is it that people aren't believing this rumor based on pictures that proved nothing.

Alright I think I am done here. No need to even talk about this crap anymore. I made my point.

Edit: Since I can't use anymore bubbles. Yea is that why you wasted you time with the second part of you comment. Pick and choose your words all you want, your true colors have shown.

You could have easily left it at that and you know what I wouldn't have had a problem with it but you had to respond even further trying to convince me this rumor had some type of purpose.

You aren't fooling anyone. I am sure I am not the only person who has seen you going on about this.

[theWB27]

From our convo
"I'm not saying there's a dGpu...but there's no way AMD would confirm the X1 has a chip that technically doesn't exist. That 3 billion dollars Micro is paying AMD has to account for something.
http://www.ign.com/articles... "

If anyone wants to read the rest...I still maintain there are components that aren't known. No where in our convo did I say it's a definite Dgpu.

Go ahead and chest thump over something I never claimed was definitely there. There's nothing to hide in my comment history.

I went through great lengths telling you how wrong you were about the other crap you posted, like Sony making a billion dollars off of Plus last year. Or how a company that doesn't have as much money as another, can still spend as much.

EDIT- Who honestly gives a $&*t on trying to fool you. What true colors? I make no bones about preferring the Xbox. Whoever sees my comments on here knows I prefer Xbox. I don't waver. I'm buying an Xbox. My true colors are there...I've been there for two gens and Im making it a third with the X1.

Downvotes or your feelings being hurt won't change it. IM GETTING AN X1...that was the case with DRM...it's the case after DRM...it's the case after there's no Dgpu...it will always be the same thing. I'm buying an X1. A forum will not change that.

@black0o
I AM NOT A FANBOY!!!!!!!!
Was that convincing? : )

[theWB27]

"Oh man you don't even know the shit I have had to deal with telling people this isn't true. Beating it into their heads. So fucking glad right now that this has finally been dismissed. So fucking glad..

With the Sony conference and this news, today couldn't have been a better day on N4G for me.

I was just literally arguing with people about this yesterday people who kept trying to tell me over and over again that this was real and that I am stupid.. Not so dumb now am I...? Oh wait, not even half those people are in this article of course.

That isn't surprising."

Reading your other comments...you're getting way too much satisfaction out of this. I mean seriously....when I'm gaming on the X1...and eventual PS4...these back forths on N4G won't make it any sweeter. I shrugged and went about what I was doing when I read this...but you seem to...it's like winning the lottery or something.

Congrats on your self vindication...I just always look at this as fun. We rag on each other but when it comes down to it we enjoy the games....but you...is your heart racing? Did you yelp with glee?

PS- I never PM'ed you over this. I rarely EVER PM. We went back and forth..you said your points, I said mine and I left it at that. I'm happy for you...really.

[glennco]

get a life dude

[dp277407]

hey @Wb you forgot something at the end of your statement you put up (How dumb is it really to to wonder what else is there??).Talking about the dgpu or what else hmmm.

[black0o]

it wasn't U it was the fanboy in U ;)

[vigilante_man]

This applies to all blinded fanboys on all sides - great comment!

[The Captain]

Funny.... Devs like People Can Fly that worked on 360 exclusives say PS4 is 50% faster.....

[n4rc]

Nope.. One guy that USED to work for them said that.. And later back peddled and said he meant development speed...

And he's going on his unnamed friends.. He's never worked on one as far as we know

[Ketzicorn]

It's funny some Microsoft fanboys don't even believe their own representatives when they say it's so because they want to believe it has a hidden dGPU so bad. Just buy your system and enjoy it.Are you really going to be upset because of your console specs when your playing Halo or Sony fans are playing KZ. Buy what you like if you can't or don't want multiple systems and screw everyone else.

[5eriously]

Sad is it not? Poor eXBoner's.

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

So tired of this.

People should of accepted that ps4 is a lot more powerful and that's that. But no hard headed BN wanna keep grasping at straws

[glennco]

I'm so tired of reading about the PS4 on xbox articles. If I want to read about playstation I will go to the playstation sections, unlike Ps trolls that sopend more time on xbox articles.

Why do people want to stop other people from buying something they want to buy? How does this effect the troll? Is the troll an asshole that wants to control how other people think, like religion?

My point is, there is little to no discussion on here because of the trolls. They have pretty much become the most hated group here, and for good reason, they are like a plague and because of the immaturity level, think that strength in numbers is a good thing. All it means is dealing with more assholes on each xbox article.

Are you guys that selfish that you want to also prevent any discussion on xbox as well as any sales? Do you even realise we do not want to even hear from you, or care about your lame immature little jokes, that are just too easy at this point. Grow up

[vigilante_man]

On topic: It seems MS have confirmed that PS4 is the most powerful console just like Sony announced. Microsoft are disputing just how much more.

Does this matter? It seems to matter to MS a lot more. They have upped their GPU clock speeds and also upped their CPU clock speeds. At the same time Sony have - they just have the PS4 as it is.

Some undecided customers may now pick based on performance. Their choice. Not fanboys, just choice. Now it has even been declared by Microsoft that the PS4 is the more powerful only fanboys will argue otherwise.

[thejigisup]

@glennco If you are tired of it, then i would suggest only to read the article and not the comments. You will always find someone that disagrees with you be it extreme or not. I can however see that the news generated by these companies(Ms and Sony) is a form of advertising and people want to know what they are getting themselves into. If you were cheated or lied to by a company or lets say a company was not as capable or reasonable as another wouldn't you want someone to tell you? It is consumer loyalty that drives the masses so honestly you should probably avoid anyone with an opinion on anything if you are looking to avoid fanboyism as well.

My boss yesterday told me she liked cocacola more than pepsi coca cola has more sugar and tastes better and the red cans are better...blah blah blah same shit about these consoles its preference. Doesn't matter if one is faster or works better(tastes better) so long as it does the shit you want it to do, and surprises you and does cool shit you didnt know it could do.

[Fergusonxplainsall]

No doubt, the XBone has a secret graphics processing unit!?!

One that will never be revealed to the people..

The one where clouds become more than puffs of smoke.

The one that need no introduction...

My ass.

[Master-H]

lmao

[GentlemenRUs]

As the old British saying goes...

https://dl.dropboxuserconte...

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Well that settles that.Now, the sooner the xbox boys can stop thumping their chests and bragging over theories and speculations, and just accept the fact sheet reality, that yes, PS4 is just more powerful, we can all begin the process of being excited for games again.

You guys just keep stoking the flames, over and over and over.Cloud, upclocks, dual gpu's, secret untapped power, hypervisors, directX and so on.It's just sad to watch this stream of denial over the last few months.

Hopefully this reality check ends it.

[Hercules189]

What some people also need to accept is that hardware is just one part of the equation, and Microsoft is THE master of software. Thats the reason why they use the car analogies because its pretty much the same way with this

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

They are nowhere near the masters of software.Don't kid yourself.

[ziggurcat]

uh...

http://www.rhobbs.co.uk/wp-...

[5eriously]

Now explain to me WHY the "masters of software" neglected the 360 in the last few years and what's to say they would not do the same with the eXBone'd while in the mean time we saw excellent award winning AAA titles on the PS3 during the last few years with more to come? If you can explain away that bit I will invest in an XBone.

[I_am_Batman]

"Microsoft is THE master of software."

Lol. That deserves a funny bubble. Unless you're serious. Nah you can't be serious.

[badz149]

"THE master of software"

LOOOL

[first1NFANTRY]

"Microsoft is THE master of software"

OMG the delusion in your post is mind shattering. so how is that amazing software going for 360 fans so far? oh wait

[MasterCornholio]

Hasta la VISTA baby.

:P

Motorola RAZR i

[NarooN]

Microsoft is anything BUT the "masters of software." Don't misconstrue their market dominance with OS's and software sales to correlate to quality.

Why do you think Windows is still relevant and Linux never took off instead? Because of Microsoft Office -- the one software bundle that just about every business and school uses. Even though today there are various freeware and independent alternatives available that either match or exceed the performance of MS Office today.

Another thing is gaming, Microsoft came up with their Direct3D (Direct X) proprietary API to force people to use Windows. Even later on as Direct3D matured, most developers just use DirectX because it's the "standard" and they know most PC gamers are using Windows as their OS. The fact is that OpenGL has been around for ages and is capable of the same things Direct3D is capable of. If OpenGL would take off, gaming on Linux would've been a much more viable alternative.

Outside of various software that wouldn't run on Linux (mostly really old apps), Linux is better than Windows in many ways.

Barring the tangent I just went on, a lot of MS software is crap anyway. Everyone knows what MS Office is, but can you name any other software or hardware besides Xbox and Office that was wildly successful and sent shockwaves through the industry?

Didn't think so, lol.

[whoyouwit04]

We will do that when you sony fan boys be realistic, and admit that there is no game on PS4 that shows it's the most powerful console. And I mean not one. seriously, what has soy shown to says this is 50% better? hell what have they shown that shows 1% more power?

[user7402931]

deep down

[THEDON82z1]

I second that : DEEP DOWN it is!!!

[T2]

Kz shadowfall multiplayer is clearly superior to dr3 and ryse in terms of power right now .... Thats pretty much it for now .... Until ms can show that halo can compete

[Pintheshadows]

Deep Down, Infamous and Killzone look superior to anything the X1 is offering. If you can't see that then I feel sorry for you.

Even the general public, those dribbling, shuffling maniacs can see it. And they are dribbling, shuffling maniacs. A lot like most Xbox fanboys.

[OrangePowerz]

Can we put that rumour to rest now or will people claim he isn't allowed to talk about dual GPU?

[Metfanant]

thats EXACTLY what they will claim...or they will say "he doesn't know, they have not unlocked it yet" or "newest dev kits have not shipped yet"

[OrangePowerz]

Maybe, for me it was obvious when they announced the price as there was no way in hell to make a console that includes Kinect and implement an APU that has a dual GPU for 500 without loosing a good amount of money. There are no commercial APUs with dual GPU at the moment so making one would be very expensive.

[rainslacker]

now now, it's obvious that MS is just trolling us, only to come out later and say that it does have a dGPU, much the same way they trolled us on the always online/DRM issues only to come out and say they weren't true to look like heros a while back. /s

[The Captain]

The cloud is getting old.... Does not work in defense. Sony has already stated they can utilize the cloud the same way MS can. Mark Cerny said it's not really effective.

[Indo]

Theirs really no effective way of implementing the CLOUD in the ways M$ wants to, gameplay wise. Theirs are numerous factors in work against it, internet speeds,connections,the shear amount of players utilizing it, etc.

[SKullDugger]

How do you know? Please explain or is this just your opinion?? Just the facts those work the best when trying to make a point. Oh and you used the wrong their I think you meant there is...

[BlackTar187]

Skull Dugger,

Internet speed and connection issues are facts.

What kind of facts do you have to say it works like MS is saying under the US circumstances?

I mean all of US not selcet market like buffalo or SEA where they have Millions of dollars put into updating the Internet on a broad spectrum. The rest of the country has internet issues. This is a fact can you dispute that?

[bligmerk]

How many thousands of posts about the 12GB RAM? These MS loyalists are so clingy, clinging to the wishful thinking that the RAM would get increased, clinging to the wishful thinking of a no-Kinect SKU, clinging to the wishful thinking that an older GPU would outperform a newer one, clinging to the wishful thinking that the cloud would mean 10,000 times the powerz, bladda, bladda, bladda. And notice, all of these hallucinations have been expounded on, post after post, by people that claim they know something about electronics design or maybe they just think they work for IGN, just before the recess bell rings.

[Vip3r]

If it did have dual GPUs, the DDR3 RAM would be a major bottleneck.

Ah well, guess the PS4 is still the power champion then.

[Metfanant]

you guys should head over the the MisterX blog and see what they are saying about this!!

http://misterxmedia.livejou...

now they are saying...

"he said there is no SECOND dGPU...so that means we have the GPU on the APU, and the dGPU, but not a SECOND dGPU"

they are trying to spin this as CONFIRMATION of a SECOND GPU, but denial of the THIRD GPU...OH EM GEE!!

[windblowsagain]

The guy is a total idiot.

Everyone knew the PS4 had more power, was confirmed by enough devs. Even E.A stated as much regarding N4SP.

Nobody is saying xbox one won't have some decent games and look good. Of course it will.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Lmfaooo!!!

[ziggurcat]

oh, for the love of...

http://www.obstructedview.n...

[joeorc]

Giggle, OMFG face Palm for the Win...LMAO

Not a confirmation of a 3RD GPU..?

.Bwhahahahaha, but a 2ND...there is just no words to express the smile on my face right now, This is just priceless. Many told them , for the Price there was no d@mn way it had a 2nd GPU and now with even direct confirmation it has no 2nd GPU they still continue on...,LOL

[sAVAge_bEaST]

bwaa,ahahahahahaah.. Wow,. -to be delusional.

[Sarobi]

This guy can believe his pipedream all he wants. The dGPU stuff just wasn't adding up and at the end of the day, he was the only one talking about this out of all the other "insider" goofs (CBOAT for example).

Everything that we need to know is on the table. The specs inside both of these consoles are very similar, and we've been told this by several developers already.. so it's silly to think that they don't know about a possible dGPU in a "final devkit" or what not.. it's just silly

[MasterCornholio]

A third GPU?

WTF those people are retarded.

Motorola RAZR ii

[worldwidegaming]

Gamers love to beat on a dead horse.
Its like when the telemarketers call you over and over.
at first your like "ok...no thanks" now
we are currently at "WTH!? I know already! stop calling me!"

[nightfallfilms]

PC it is then.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Like this needed a confirmation, like seriously, what buffon would believe that the Xbox one had some hidden GPU that not even the developers working on the console knew about. I hope the morons who preached this blatant lie just to feel better about themselves feel the utmost shame and humiliation right now.

[Coastiej1982]

Same as last gen, before the launches everyone was saying ps3 was the more powerful console. Did that stop me from buying a 360? Nope! Did I eventually buy a ps3? Yep 6 years after launch and I quickly sold it after a month. The games just werent to my liking killzone 2 was my firsf purchase and it was absolutely horrible! People are going to buy a console for the games, who really cares about specs your comparing apples to apples! Its consoles for Christ sakes you only see major differences in gaming PCs because of the customization factor!

[davidj88]

Agreed, but people will argue for the sake of arguing in the hopes they can be all high and mighty to feel some sense of achievement. You weren't into the PS3 games so it wasn't the console for you, others won't be into what Xbox offers so they won't want to purchase it. What matters is that you got enjoyment that suited your tastes, problem with some people though is that if your tastes don't match theirs then you're a fanboy :/

Many people seem to have an inferiority
complex and feel the need to spread these rumors, for them i say go get a PC and upgrade it to your hearts content. I'm liking what i see from next gen and i'm satisfied that my money will be well spent, i'll be buying the PS4 and looking forward to many good gaming years ahead.

[Coastiej1982]

Agreed. Its turned into a I'll show you mine if you show me yours game! Same as last gen! And as far as the 180s and things go, I for one am glad they changed their policies if only to show that consumers have some power in keeping corporations in check that goes for both Sony and Microsoft. The next gen looms and it looks to be a great one! Enjoy your gaming! :)

[SKullDugger]

bubble up I agree with what you said but there are to many fan boys on this site to have an intelligent opinion. I'm buying an XBOX ONE and for the games and maybe later a PS4.. Both consoles are great new hardware.

[nub_cakes101]

What are you talking about? The ps3 and 360 have the same titles the only difference is the controller and first party games. If the only game you played was Killzone I feel sorry for you because you missed out on all the best games. What does xbox have that ps3 doesn't? Halo, Forza and Gears of War. What does ps3 have? Uncharted 2, Uncharted 3, The Last of Us, Resistance, MGS4, God of War, Infamous, Little Big Planet, Ratchet and Clank etc. Why buy a 360 when you can get a gaming pc for third party titles and a ps3 for exclusives? And on top of that, what does the Xbox One offer that the PS4 doesn't? So you have Dead Rising, Ryse, Forza and Titanfall. Dead Rising looks good but Ryse looks like garbage (my opinion). Titanfall is a timed exclusive, don't care about Forza. What launch titles does the PS4 have that Xbox One and PC will never see? Infamous Second Son, Killzone Shadowfall, The Order:1886 (Santa Monica studios), Deep Down and Knack. Add onto the fact that Sony still has boatloads of first party titles in development, most importantly Naughty Dog which puts any Xbox exclusive to shame and you have a winner :D

[SaulGoodman]

All Microsoft does is lie, lie, lie. Whoever believes anything they say should get their heads examined.

[SKullDugger]

Sure thing and thank you. Walt White and Jesse.

[Fergusonxplainsall]

Major Nelly has responded with "Don't know'em"

While Major Nelson is flying on his Thunderbird, has messaged via Text message
" W.T.F is going on"

[icerob]

one could think you guys were stockholders in either MSFT or SNE.. why not just wait and see which console makes more sense for you when they have been released? Embrace the competition, it is making both consoles better! ;)

[Fergusonxplainsall]

Buzz kill. Money is money and people like to talk with it.

I'm all in, PS4 and Wii U.

[T2]

I appreciate this thought but im not about to go out and buy an inferior product just to get those competitive juices flowing

[Nocando]

Why couldn't MS build something more powerful? It's not like they can't afford it. Now I have to go another generation hearing this crap.

[GiggMan]

At first I laughed, then I felt bad :-(

[user7402931]

i stayed laughing.

[GiggMan]

@Dirty...

shhh... *I did too* ;-)

[Nekroo91]

they can afford it but you cant ,you i mean most gamers, imagine if the xbox had a better gpu and ram the console would cost more than 600 because of the kinect.

kinect is your downfall

[Clarence]

They have the money but not the know how. Thats why.

[Nocando]

I admittedly don't know why it bothers me, but it somehow does. And I disagree on the "know how" statement, their engineers know full well what they are doing. Look, I realize it seems silly, but Sony's exclusives have just never appealed to me, it just is what it is. I am not saying they suck, because obviously millions of people love them.
Right now I am a little disappointed with the guts of the XB1. I don't think Cloud will materialize into this endless fount of processing power that some seem to think, because I am not stupid. And regardless of what anyone says, even 30% more power is substantial, especially a few years down the road. I am not going to lie to myself about it. I suppose the sting will wear off once I fire it up and start playing Forza 5 or Ryse.

[moparful99]

@nocando I think the answer to your riddle is profitability... Microsoft is all about as much profit as fast as possible. I have no doubt they could figure out how to build a beast of a console but they would have to sell them at a loss to break into mass market sales.. Just look at the uphill battle Sony fought with the PS3. Advanced yet complex hardware and it took huge lossess, hardware revisions, price reductions, and an onslaught of AAA exclusives to break into profitability.. Getting the perfect balance of tech, cost, and market appeal is an art. One that Sony is really really good at.

[beebap]

@nacando As you know sony is hardware company and accept new tech risks as they know this is why they are still going,yes it takes large research capital and ends up with dearer products but take microsoft, mostly software but took a risk with kinect and even customised their chip this time with amd just consulting.So it about how much your willing spend/risk on the technology but also it show here that sony experience and microsoft lack in hardware technology is a factor.

[Angeljuice]

@Nocando
Had to give you a bubble + (for intelligent). It takes a lot to say what you said and I have to respect you for that. I genuinely hope you enjoy your Xbox One experience throughout the coming gen.

[T2]

No they cant afford it , they want YOUR money not to give u stuff

[Statix]

Microsoft isn't just going to give away more computational power, and eat the extra cost themselves.

No, they're a company, like any other company, driven by profits. Implementing a more powerful, high-end GPU into the GPU would have resulted in an even more expensive console (not to mention even an even bigger size case). Their engineers probably estimated a few years ago, that a GPU in the ballpark of the HD7790 would result in sufficient graphics quality for 90% of the people buying the console--whether they're right or wrong.

[Mikefizzled]

I don't care I'm buying the system regardless. I have a high end PC to do any heavy lifting. Consoles are sold on exclusives to me.

[gamertk421]

Maybe 10% difference when it's all said and done. Barely a difference when games are made. Mark my words.

[Nekroo91]

its all said and done we know the cpu, gpu, memory everything and its arround 41% difference.

But the games will look exactly the same except 5fps to 10fps difference

In the future games could look better on the ps4 but you barely notice

[strifeblade]

correction

40.67% gpu difference in favor of sony (since x1 upclock, prior to thats it was 50%)

9.375% cpu advantage in favour of x1 (thanks to upclock- prior it was even)

Ram in terms of bandwidth sony have the advantage but in terms of latency x1 have the advantage. Sony takes steps to minimalize latency disadvantage and x1 introduce es ram to achieve 140-150gb/ps vs sony's 176 gb/ps.

I also understand that x1 has larger buses- 30gb vs sony's 20gb.

X1 has 8 gb of flash to help os run and load apps very fast compared to sony's standard hdd from which apps would load from.

MSOFT confirms that x1 have numerous sub systems and customizations that are unknown to us and supposed to reduce the power gap.

I also understand that due to ps4 very simple pc like architecture games are easier and faster to develop on ps4 vs x1.

Honestly i believe msoft- A lot of ppl on forums are implying the ps4 will make xbox one look like a wii u- or ps4 is a generation ahead of xbox when that is not the case.

Take the wii-u for example- its 2-3x more powerful than ps3/360 but do game3s look 2-3x better than the multiplat counterpart on ps3 or 360? No but there are small differences.

[LoydX-mas]

@strifeblade

I love how you point out pros and cons for all systems and yet still you get disagrees.

[hyperfire21]

@strifeblade You can't really mention a gpu percentage when the GPU's aren't revealed yet. You're comparing to leaked info which is very old.

[strifeblade]

@hyperfire

I am comparing x1 confirmed 12 cus @ 853mhz vs sony 18 cus @800mhz. Am i missing something? I understand in addition to the x1 customization, msoft have revealed 15 extra processors and i think 2 of those processors have not revealed their function. Its rumoured they are to assist graphics.

[fooltheman]

There are also things unknown about the architecture of the ps4

[Reem]

Poor bots :(

[ABeastNamedTariq]

WHAT DID I SAY? WHAT DID WE SAY?

Funny that ya'll actually believed that. Some of you, at least.

[PrimeGrime]

Some lol way too many in my opinion.

[REDAVUTSTUVADER]

he said no add'l dgpu. most people asked the wrong question. Is there an extra dGPU, this would assume there are 2, hence no additional dgpu . think i'm grasping at straws, a dev confirmed already. http://www.reddit.com/r/xbo...

and the AMD ENGINEER linkedin account said it was worked on by

Vinber Lei
GPU Design Verification Engineer at AMD
China Semiconductors
cn.linkedin.com/in/vinberlei/ now taken dow on the same day dgpu story hit
http://i.imgur.com/snlW66F....
see http://www.reddit.com/r/xbo...

so something is up

[TIER1xWOLFPACKx]

What it means is there no additional discrete gpu the gpu on the apu is of discrete class there isn't 2 graphics cards. theres only one gpu of discrete class the cpu and the discrete class gpu is what makes this apu. The discrete class gpu is intergrated with cpu. This is were people mixed things up they classed the intergrated discrete class gpu as an intergrated gpu like that you find on Intel cpus like th hd4000 intergrated graphics. But amd apus especially the higher end have had discrete class graphics cards intergrated so when someone thought of something, made a rumour or seen a slide from an event saying dGPU they have thought the apu and an extra gpu so they must have two gpu's hence were the dual gpu rumour for the x1 came from. It's just a APU with a higher end discrete class graphics card than traditional APUs which are usually equipped with downgraded versions of amd hd7750s etc.

[quenomamen]

Yea, and my cousin's wife's nephews barber said he saw Elvis at 3 am at an Omaha Walmart. So something is up. He ain't dead.

[Metfanant]

are you serious with this??....there is ONE GPU in the Xbone...its 1.31Tflops and its on the same die as the CPU...known as an APU...

there is no second GPU...just STOP with this...we've been telling you for MONTHS that misterX was a LIAR...just give it up...

[Clarence]

Yeah something is up all right.

[Hercules189]

Do people actually believe that Microsoft will put out a vastly inferior console at $100 more than their competitor at the same time. The kinect 2 couldve probably been sold separately for $150 but since its bundled they probably made a deal for us so realisticly both systems are worth $400. Something just doesnt add up especially when we have games like ryse already and Quantum Break coming shortly after that looks on par with the order aside from different art styles. Thats why he says its like comparing a 400hp porshe to a 700hp corvette.

[Clarence]

You can trust that the Order is going to look better than Quantum Break.

[robotgargoyle]

You can't until both games are finished. I don't believe either game has shown gameplay even.

I still don't even know what type of game Quantum Break is, but it is being made by Remedy(Max Payne, Alan Wake). They are pretty reputable.

Is the Order done by Ready at Dawn? Looks intriguing regardless.

[vigilante_man]

You say vastly inferior but remember the XB1 is way above the 360. Microsoft did a great job and have developed the best console for THEIR needs. That is, multi-purpose gaming and TV and social media system.

The Kinnect 2 is a massive part of that system and costs as much as the console to develop. So, again, they built the best system that meets THEIR needs.

Sony have created an even better pure gaming system. They want all types of games, from indie to AAA. Theyt have built the best system possible to meet THEIR needs. Having spent so much time and effort with the PS3 getting studios and awesome franchises they have gone the next step.

So both Sony & Microsoft built great systems to meet their own needs. The pure gaming console was always going to be more powerful than a multi-purpose system for the same/similar price.

Multi-platforms games will still have the same CPU and 5+GB Ram so should be very similar but with extra topping thrown on for PS4. Make your choice and move on...

[BOLO]

Denial is the most comforting drug.

[TheBurger29]

yea anything to improve the crap x1 specs will be fine with me! seriously mc what where you thinking when you built xb1! its already outdated how will it last 10 years! im still getting it but i really wish i liked ps4.. when i get the money il pick up a ps4 though

[PS4isKing_82]

Sorry Xbox. But this will be your 3rd straight loss to Sony. Even tho I'm getting an Xbox one myself, it's not hard to see which is the better console. In this case, the PS4 by a mile.

[vigilante_man]

See my comment above - they built the best system for their multi-purpose vision. Sony just built a pure gaming system. Both are way above the 360 & PS3.

So when you say PS4 is the better console, it depends on what you want from your console. Despite their constant 180's and slightly awkward attempts to catch up with the PS4's power Microsoft have actually given us all a different optiuon.

[5eriously]

It's pointless to have dGPU's and Deepdive's but no M$ commitment with support. Look at the 360 the last few years and be scared, be bloody scared to pump money into the eXBone'd. I do not trust M$ or Rtard Nelson for two picoseconds. M$ always lie. For example WHERE is Milo and the super AI that was promised years ago on the 360? Surely the power of the EXBone and the cloud can make this happen?

[meatysausage]

didnt bother me anyway, Exclusives and online games on XBO
and ill get all of the goodness that PS games bring and most multiplats on PS4

Graphics dont bother me as much as a solid framerate.

[Stuntz]

still waiting until end of this month for real verification. By law Microsoft cannot release any information out, until end of sept.

[dragon82]

MS can release whatever they want. It is their system. SMH

[Tooly]

im pretty sure the ps4 got some hidin specs to nda on sony to

[Codey47]

Yeah, an extra gpu under each of the rubber feet of the PS4..now that shit is mega discrete!

@ stuntz take the ST off the front of your username and add a C....that's your and anyone else whom believes in this NDA Hardware reveal, new name...far superior to xbot imho.

By law .....don't make me laugh if Microsoft created such an Nda you're not going to see Microsoft vs Microsoft in a court of law anytime soon.... seeing though they allegedly created it.

If they wanted to lift it now then they can do so without any repercussions.

STOP FUCKING BUILDING FALSE HOPES...YOU'RE THE ONE THAT WILL END UP DISAPPOINTED IN THE LONG RUN

[quenomamen]

You gotta sell consoles somehow bro, Rehashed fighting games from 1992
will only get you so far.

[TheObserver]

Secret Sauce Wars

[JunioRS101]

I thought the Deep Down gameplay looked pretty pretty... Seems pretty impressive for the first wave of PS4 exclusives.

Is PS4 going to plateau? LOL. Yeah right buddy.

Greatness Awaits.

... Naughty Dog also awaits.

[Vip3r]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Worth reading. Albert gets shot down completely with comedy memes and basic maths too.

[BOLO]

+1 my friend I had a good laugh.

[imt558]

I must laugh @ MisterX

Buahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahhahahahahaha!

And others who follow him blindly.

Buahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahah!

[horndog]

Doesn't need the dgpu. As you can see by the games sony's 30-50% more PoWaaahhh!! Is just another bs lie just like last gens ps3 being 10x more powerfull than the 360. I'm getting a sense of dejavu.

[FITgamer]

Man there is some serious nerd rage going on up in here!

[xKugo]

Good to see somebody put this rumor to rest. Should have been done sooner though; the idea was ludicrous to begin with.

LOL at the people still surmising that there is still a possibility even after Nelson dismisses it himself. Look people, there is insurmountable evidence that points to the contrary of this rumor. First off, why would they sell you a console architecture that SERIOUSLY rivals a high-end PC for $500. The only way this rumor could be true is if Xbox themselves released this design to a wider market, which in itself is impossible because of the use of AMD designed chips. Secondly, why would they put an NDA on THEMSELVES. Just looking at a collaboration of rumors and mis-quotes, Microsoft arranged an NDA with AMD to withhold information about an APU+dGPU design architecture utilized within the Xbox One. Had this rumor been true, the graphical prowess of this design would have rivaled a GTX 690. A graphics card that sells for 1000 euros STILL. Get real, people. There very idea was a fallacy from the beginning and I seriously pity the people who were gullible enough(mainly highly ill informed Xbox fans) to believe. Now the argument is that there is no additional dGPU. Since when did anyone believe there was a 3rd GPU. Why would he even be talking about a 3rd if if was never even on the table. The incompetence of some of the wannabe PC design architects on here is unreal. The people at GAF, nowgamer and pcgamer are LAUGHING at you people. The whole debacle is quite hilarious and your last hope of the September 29th is soon to come. The fall back to earth is going to rough for you guys.

[quenomamen]

Lol, @ Torrence Davis

" what happens after NDA breaks? Is it 8000 based GPU? What are you guys hiding?! We are going nuts ova here! Oo "

Still hoping and praying MS will pull off some last minute hail mary, in denial much Torrence ?

[Angels3785]

If you read on page 1....I think torrence is thetruthx1......

[AceBlazer13]

Lol Xbone just can't catch a break.

[quenomamen]

@ strifeblade
correction

40.67% gpu difference in favor of sony (since x1 upclock, prior to thats it was 50%)

9.375% cpu advantage in favour of x1 (thanks to upclock- prior it was even)

Ram in terms of bandwidth sony have the advantage but in terms of latency x1 have the advantage. Sony takes steps to minimalize latency disadvantage and x1 introduce es ram to achieve 140-150gb/ps vs sony's 176 gb/ps.

I also understand that x1 has larger buses- 30gb vs sony's 20gb.

X1 has 8 gb of flash to help os run and load apps very fast compared to sony's standard hdd from which apps would load from.

MSOFT confirms that x1 have numerous sub systems and customizations that are unknown to us and supposed to reduce the power gap.

I also understand that due to ps4 very simple pc like architecture games are easier and faster to develop on ps4 vs x1.

Honestly i believe msoft- A lot of ppl on forums are implying the ps4 will make xbox one look like a wii u- or ps4 is a generation ahead of xbox when that is not the case.

Take the wii-u for example- its 2-3x more powerful than ps3/360 but do game3s look 2-3x better than the multiplat counterpart on ps3 or 360? No but there are small differences.

You forgot,

PS4
has 32 Render Outputs Pipelines
25.6 Gigapixels/sec
1152 Shader Cores

Xbox
has 16 Render Output Pipelines
12.8 gigapixels/sec
768 Shader Cores

Don't mention it bro.

[Max-Zorin]

This is where everyone will never move on.

[Clarence]

Well enjoy that, but its a proven fact that M$ has issues with building hardware. I didn't say their engineers aren't smart, but its obvious that they don't understand how to build something that works as sound as Sony. Thats mainly because M$ is a software company at heart. Why do you think M$ has yet to release a handheld. Its not because they dont want to, its because it would take 2 people to carry it.

Now as far as the games goes thats your choice, but I don't understand how you Naughty dog games don't appeal to you. The Last of Us one of the best games out there. GT 5 easily wins over the arcade racer Forza. Deep Down is going to crush Ryse. Not just in graphics but in storytelling aspect as well.

[robotgargoyle]

Capcom is due to release a good game. SF 4 (and all it's incarnations were fine) is about the only good game they released this generation.

Lost Planet series? Sucks! Resident Evil 5&6? Sucks! Dead Rising and sequel? Sucks!

Capcom has been irrelevant this cycle unless you like lousy games.

[beebap]

Sucked?? Dead rising fun.Resident evil 5 had great coop and 6 was some good additional gameplay elements, did not suck! Lost planet I did not play but the game I loved dragon dogma so they were relevant maybe not as good as past generation but didn't suck but they way deep down is looking their gona shine nextgen

[robotgargoyle]

Another thing- GT is not so heads and shoulders over Forza so stop declaring your opinion as a fact.

GT started whole race sim for consoles. It's importance cannot be overstated, but is it really better than Forza?

GT has more cars and variations of races(go carts, rally racing, etc). Forza has cockpit views for all their cars( GT only has views for certain cars), Forza has more customization( paint job and tuning).

There's more features on both sides but really an apples to oranges scenario.

[Metfanant]

Xbox One GPU:

768 GCN shader cores @ 853MHz
48 TMUs
16 ROPs
1.31 TFLOPS
40.9 GTex/s
13.6 GPix/s
8GB DDR3 with 68GB/s + eSRAM
2 compute command processors
2-16 parallel compute queues
GPU cache bypass: no

PS4 GPU:

1152 GCN shader cores @ 800MHz
72 TMUs
32 ROPs
1.84 TFLOPS
57.6 GTex/s
25.6 GPix/s
8GB GDDR5 with 176GB/s
8 compute command processors
64 parallel compute queues
GPU cache bypass: yes

[windblowsagain]

Exactly.

That fire running in deep down is the best looking i've seen and uses the compute sweetness of the PS4.

[threefootwang]

Ahahahahahahahahahaah.......AH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

........ .... ........ ..........

AHAHAHAHABAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHA

Awesome. Just awesome.

[feraldrgn]

Albert actually put the rumors to rest in a pretty respectful way.
I don't buy MS brand gaming, but hats off to the guy.

[DoesUs]

Well blow me down. For months I've told the hard core MS supporters this was a pipe dream, but of course they didn't listen. So now it's the games don't show a 50% increase on PS4. Really, you think you're going to see this difference in launch titles?! LMAO!

[No_Limit]

Hey, my prediction came true. I already knew there was no 2nd GPU on XB1. It is fine the way it is. It is games that matters.

I am still curious though why Penello said 'no additional dGPU' instead of 'no dgpu'. Doesn't 'no additional dGpu' means there is no second dGpu rather than no dGPu at all? Probably just how he interpret it as no dGPU.

OT, glad this thing has ended. That Mistermedia that spread the original rumor surely will disappear for good now, I hope.

[devwan]

The person who came up with the rumour is still at it and is all fired up for exactly the same reason you posted above - the ludicrous "no additional dGPU" stuff - beware!

Here's what else Panello had to say:

" Our peak on paper is 272gb/sec. (68gb/sec DDR3 + 204gb/sec on ESRAM)... So if you're saying you can't add bandwidth - you can. If you want to dispute that ESRAM has simultaneous read/write cycles - it does." - he's adding bandwidth together and coming up with numbers that are not practical in the real world "on paper" is a nonsense, Nelson did something similar in 2005 with x360 stating "Xbox 360 has 278.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth" ( http://majornelson.com/2005...

Panello: "If it comes out after we launch that the difference between 3rd party games is maybe single-digit FPS between the two platforms, will I get an apology or concession?" - he's expecting a gap below 10fps at worst.

"...it's clear I'm doing more harm then good at this point." - something I agree with him on!

[DoesUs]

And what Penello stated there is wrong, on a number of levels. The guy is just spewing terrible, terrible information. GAF has ripped him a new one..HUGELY!

[N4G85]

People on this site need to grow up from both sides PS4 and Xbox One wow both consoles are epic like it you don't #DealWithit

[bobtheimpaler]

rumours of an additional gpu were completely unfounded. xbone specs were leaked over a year ago. people should also consider the heat such a unit would generate and the amount of power it would draw. If they wanted more graphical horse power, why not just put in a stronger gpu? it would make development a lot easier than having to deal with multiple gpus.

[brich233]

So he means no additional dgpu, meaning there is a dgpu, just not an additional one? hmm

[PS4isKing_82]

Well at least it'll have lots of halo and forza for Xbox fans to keep them happy :) oh and fable too lol

[Mr_Danski]

So.. I'm getting this thing called a PS4..

Don't know about you guys.

[g-nome]

Enjoy the games guys , stop bashing each other's non existent hardware.

[Mister_G]

So in summary, 4 is still greater than 1? ;)

[TemplarDante]

I told you, like Ive been preaching for months, MrCTeam,MrXMedia are liars and frauds. Paid of MS shills. Dont believe em.

[SynestheticRoar]

Poor little fanboys they fought so hard for this to be the truth.

[LordDhampire]

This just makes me think there is a dual gpu, everything else they said they did a 180 on, next week probably announcement for dual gpu

[jairusmonillas]

Xbox One in reality is cheaper that's why its less powerful. The only reason its price went up was because of Kinect 2.0 I think its close to $149 than $100 so Xbox One should've been really $349.

[vigilante_man]

If we are to believe what Micorosoft themselves said then the Kinnect 2 had more cost in development than the XB1 due to the ultra sensors inside. Just how much they are losing per console is anybodies guess.

[strigoi814]

Xbox fans didnt have a xboner

[gdguide]

"Perf. differences are greatly overstated"

....Meaning he thinks the speed advantages of the PS4 that have been talked about ARE there, but exaggerated.

[JuniorCE]

Man... I've already knew about that... Because, Micro$oft would've already said if it was true... Now I keep thinking about all xbox fanboys who were saying about the dGPU, what are they thinking now? LoL

[toptugger73]

hes obviously going to say its bollux.another 180 coming end of september.why would ms make direct x11.2 exclusive to the xbone with its pissy little ati 7xxx gpu.why has nt bf4 or watch dogs been seen on xbone??? it may not be a dgpu but ms def got something up its sleeve

[andrewsqual]

@ohiostatesman Becasue Sony didn't announce at E3 2012 that they have bough Gakai a company specialising in Cloud techniques. They are WAY ahead of the game. They just know about what to talk about now and later. Do you think anybody gives a single toss about all this theoretical crap Microsoft have been spewing about the cloud since May, 11 months after Sony's Cloud announcement???

[Bolts]

Anyone else tired of this pointless spec war. Everyone knows the PS4 is powerful, but I'm sick of that too. I want Sony and the devs to show me how it is powerful in a tangible manner. Either do BF4 at 1080p 60 FPS or take your claims of "more power" and GTFO.

[Sonysexual]

Considering that Titanfall and Killer Instinct runs at 720p and KZ: SF runs at 1080p while maintaining great graphics, the power difference does look real.

[SKullDugger]

Ok captain Ass Clown Titan Fall runs at 1080p and KI at 720p get your facts straight don't just let your mouth run at 480p ok please.. FORZA 5 runs at 1080p 60fps and Drive club is trying for 1080p and 60fps but at this time runs at 30fps.. NICE TRY! RYSE son of ROME 1080p 60fps... Anything else?

[Sonysexual]

Titanfall is sub-1080p.
"The jaggies are a curious point in particular; even judged by the high quality feed we have availability direct from the Microsoft E3 conference there's more sub-pixel shimmering and rough edges than any other game on show, which suggests this may not be a full-blown 1080p title in its current state."

- Digital Foundry

Ryse is 30 FPS, not 60 FPS. Check framerate test by DF.

Drive Club is pushing more than Forza 5. Prebakedza 5 is a last-gen game running at 1080p.

[SKullDugger]

@SONYsexual Drive club is not pushing more then FORZA 5 and RYSE is 60fps @1080p. Titan Falls is 1080p at 30fps but you go ahead with your incorrect facts because you are a SONY fan boy... Buy your Ps4 and enjoy just stop spreading incorrect facts ok.. Where are your facts for Drive club?.................. huh?

[Heretic96]

If Microsoft and Sony put half as much passion into their consoles as the people that argue about them here, we should be in for an amazing generation of games. It's a great time to be a gamer.

[Flutterby]

If anyone sees ppl linking MRxmedia mark them as spam so we don't have it's complete lies filling up our forums. At least we can put it to rest finally .

[Stevenfrisch]

Playstation games don't look any different to x box one so were is this 50per, it's all a big scam from Sony. Forza and ryse r the to best looking games next is kill zone . Till titan fall comes out

[Stevenfrisch]

What forza 5 blows drive club out of the water, u playstation fanboys can't accept any facts the graphics on forza 5 destroys drive club look it up

[joglen15]

Fanboys bashing other fanboys. It's both insane and hysterical.

I purchased the Xbox One because it's going to be used for my family.

But here's how I see it:
1. I could care less if PS4 performs slightly better or the Xbox performs slightly worse. I'm not going to sit there and wonder "Hmm, how would this look on PS4."

2. I own both PS3 and Xbox, but I never really did a graphics comparison and I probably will never do one on the nex-gen

3. PS4 fanboy will forget what Xbox fanboy said about his system vs. their system when it comes time to playing the actual consoles. If ps4 fanboy or xbox fanboy actually remembers, you need some time getting help and playing a console.

4. They're both going to be enjoyable consoles, barring any defects. I hardly imagine there are going to be choppy and poor performing games on either, to be honest with you.

Both fanboy groups are wasting their breath.