How Sony could blow us away if they show Killzone 4 running on PS4 in 4K glory

InfoBarrel writes:

"I think it’s about time we start talking about the next-gen games that will raise the standard and set the bar so high it becomes a topic of discussion all across the internet like the way Killzone 2 pre-rendered video did way back in 2005. As a lover of everything 3D graphics and computer animation I was never so excited about anything that had to do with video games as much as I did when I saw that video on the web. Some of the things that I really liked in that video was the facial animation of the characters, their body movement, the way the enemy AIs reacted when they are shot and when there was an explosion and the Physics of debris scattering all over the place when there was an explosion. All that and a whole lot of other things happening on the screen at the same time blew me away."

[remanutd55]

Who the check is Gorilla Games? Lol.

[Danlord]

Fixed it. Thanks :-)

[SamPao]

Am I the only one that thinks the actual Killzone2 looks WAY better than that rendered-shit?

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

KZ4 running in 4K isn't going to blow KZ fans away at all. Great graphics is expected when it come to KILLZONE. So I don't get why you made this article. What will really blow people away is a multiplayer that goes back to the roots of KILLZONE 2. This is what Guerrilla Games should really strive for in my opinion.

[Gazondaily]

They better show off actual gameplay this time round though otherwise it's just a complete p*ss take like last time.

To be honest, Killzone doesn't need 4k to blow people away. As far as visuals are concerned, Killzone has always been visually stunning and we can only imagine what the developers can achieve in the graphics department (amongst others) with a next gen Killzone title.

One question intrigues me however; how will the next Killzone title compare to the CGI trailer shown for Killzone 2? I'm not talking about how the game looks like generally because, Killzone 2 did a decent job matching the general look and feel of the CGI trailer. I'm talking more specifically, the visual fidelity and detail.

[Edit] Some people on here are claiming that Killzone 2 actually looked better than the CGI trailer released. If that's the case then forget 4k resolution because I doubt the latter feature's inclusion will make any difference to those who are clearly visually impaired. Get real

[Ezz2013]

@septic
i'm one of those who think KZ2 look the same as the CG trailer and KZ3 top both

last time i remember KZ2 won alot of gfx awards and 10/10 in gfx from all sites
uncharted 2 was the reason why it didn't won all the best gfx awards in 2009

[Eyeco]

Ok I'm gonna end this debate

Killzone 2 technically DOES and I mean Does look better than the trailer which as of right now looks kinda murkey with pretty blunt lighting ,

HOWEVER the game doesn't play as fluid or as cinematic as what was presented all those years ago if you know what I mean ? The fluid movement of the action gives the impression that it looks better, as it would on any trailer but in all honest KZ2 DOES look better , the game may not move as fluid or as cibematic as the trailer but then again find me one game that does , but it does in.deed look better from a technical stand point it DOES look better

[MikeMyers]

Sony should really get away from using their game console to sell other hardware. Especially if that added cost is transferred to the consumer. The original Playstation and Playstation 2 had CD and then DVD playback. It really helped Sony sell those formats. Difference is those consoles both cost $299 U.S. at launch. That's where the PS3 stumbled. They wanted to sell bluray but those costs were added to the consumer. That is one of the reasons why Sony lost a portion of their fanbase.

4K TV's are not even in stores yet, let alone being anywhere near affordable by next year (if that is when the PS4 comes out). Sony showcased the PS3 as being truly next gen even though the games mostly played at 30fps and in 720p. If 4K support can be added for cheap then by all means do it. But if it just adds extra cost then what's the point? I would be happy if all PS4 games ran at 60fps and were in true 1080p.

[Ezz2013]

Eyeco
***, the game may not move as fluid or as cibematic as the trailer but then again find me one game that does , ****

maybe the last of us ...might be wrong though

[sniperxx]

Im not sure what everyone is smoking... I am pretty certain that unless Sony (or Microsoft for that matter) are able to create a 'current' gen PC and sell it for 300-400 dollars - there is no way the 'next gen' consoles will even handle 1080p and 60fps let alone 4k. And it will still be MANY years before the 4K TV is even affordable.

The cheapest right now is what? 10grand? not even LCD/Plasmas (at respectable sizes) were that much during their infancy.

I'll be honest, I am growing tired of N4G - they just link to these stupid articles that are designed to start flame wars.

[Freak of Nature]

@Eyeco...

I agree with you, well put. I think that this next KZ will be the best looking, that's a no brainer, but I am hoping for that real smooth animation, those little effects like debris and environment effects that go with the big more obvious things. Animation like Ico or the upcoming Last of us would be ideal. Plus art direction is vital, choice of design style and color palette will be really important.

[SilentNegotiator]

Fix the part with the unrealistic expectations, too. You know...the entire article.

[Mrmagnumman357]

@ Septic, you are getting downvoted for telling the truth, isn't that great!? To everyone, if you knew what was running behind the KZ2 CGI video, you would know it greatly surpasses KZ2 and every console game this gen. The particle effects and texture quality are far better then the actual KZ2, just watch this(2:44)- http://www.youtube.com/watc...

That doesn't mean KZ2 isn't impressive, if anything it's the opposite. The KZ2 CGI trailer's art style makes it look worse then the real KZ2 at times, partially because KZ2 had a great art style.

[MAJ0R]

Excuse me for crashing the party, but who actually believes a console could run anything but a movie at 4k resolution when they struggle to run sub-HD games? Even mid-high grade PC's struggle to run 4k resolution.

Eyefinity and NVIDIA Surround are examples of 4k resolution (sometimes higher) and you need a pretty good PC with lots of video memory to run it. I doubt next-gen consoles will have more than 1GB of memory. If that's the case, 4k resolution will not be possible on consoles without it being a slideshow.

[MikeMyers]

That's probably why it will be limited to streaming 4K and maybe be something linked to their acquisition of Gaikai.

[LocutusEstBorg]

Get real. The PS4 is already 2 generations behind a current gen PC and even a GTX 690 can't run anything at 4k. Console = piss poor rendering quality and textures regardless of what resolution it runs at.

[MmaFan-Qc]

i have a top notch gaming pc....but guess what?

im getting the ps4 on day one, u mad bro?

why would i volontary avoid sony exclusives only because there's two msi 580 lightning in sli on my pc?

a real gamer will play games no matter on what platform it is..... and last thing, Okami and Journey showed us that high res textures doesnt necessarily make a game look better.

[zebramocha]

I don't think we can include pc's as an example because their was a point where ps3 exclusive were being compared,I doubt we'll see 4k games like killzone but if 4k tvs come down in price significantly maybe psn titles will be in 4k.

[Detoxx]

Take a look at some exclusives, you won't regret it..

[onandonandon]

Where did u see the PS4? Got any pictures?

[Qrphe]

"even a GTX 690 can't run anything at 4k"

U sure?

Nah u ain't, not at all

[kneon]

I think there is also a decent chance you'll see some racing games at 4K. In general racing games can produce better graphics than most other types of games because what needs to be shown on screen is more limited, more predictable and there is usually not as much going on at once on the screen.

[ABizzel1]

@onandonandon

If you're comment was directed towards me, then I saw it a couple a years ago on PC.

@Marcus_Feniz

If you're comment was directed towards me, then I was simply here to educated the ignorant (in this case a vast majority of the people on n4g) about PC hardware, which "your" PS4 will be using.

You can talk about PC all you want, but the fact of the matter is consoles, are becoming more and more like PC's, except limited in functionality and locked to whatever the console maker wants.

[BitbyDeath]

There is a chance PS4 games will be in 4K as Sony have already demoed one.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

"PC and even a GTX 690 can't run anything at 4k."
cuz you need a gtx 680 for that?
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I have a great pc but still get a ps4 dude. I like both platforms. And why not appreciate great games more than textures? PS4 won't have 4k games but who actually cares??

This is about gaming no?
I can't wait for amnesia on pc and there is no way I will miss the last of us on ps3!

ps4 is a day pre order!!

Ps4 will be powerful enough for a console or they will have to change the name(which I don't think they will do).
"We named it PlayStation, the power of a workstation for play. That is our mantra seventeen years later." - Jack Tretton
http://www.xbitlabs.com/new...

[modesign]

bubble down kurianoftrollborg

[bucky1965]

I see the 72 plus (and counting) people who dissagree do not have much tech knowledge.

[sniperxx]

@kurianofborg - exactly right - of course we may all get the PS4 for games, but this comment is about the article, and making up stories that the PS4 will be more powerful then it is is crazy.

@MmaFan-qc - try quad 680 SLI - what console can take that on? The next PS4/xbox will have a video card somewhat like the Wii U - cheap, slow, 2 generations old - that is the model they use so they can at least break even on a console with a low price point.

Consoles = casual gaming
PC = hardcore gamers

[SilentNegotiator]

Well....the part where you said "Even a GTX 690 can't run anything at 4K" was true....

[Conzul]

And yet, it only took 3 daisychained PS3's to do a Gran Turismo demo in 4k. That means the PS4 need only be more than 3X as powerful as the PS3 to get at least some stuff into 4k.

You're the one who needs to get real.

[mewhy32]

What if we are blown away? What hell difference would it make? I mean, it's a 4k tv for cryin out loud. Sony is trying to push yet another niche to try and sell their tv's. How soon we forget the 3d fiasco that they tried to get the brainwashed legions to buy in to. This is just another marketing ploy to try and generate sales for a dying console.

[showtimefolks]

We dnt have long to wait by GDP 2013 Sony will talk about ps4.

Most pundits still saying Xbox will bein 2014 like around February-march. But I personally don't see ms giving any a head start, wiiu is gonne be a forgotten device because ps4 and next Xbox will over shadow it. And it's not fair since wiiu does bring some new things to gaming

Anyway can't wait to find out more.

[showtimefolks]

i will be excited for Killzne 4 anyway, but if GG can make it full 1080P while gaming running full 60FPS.

[DeadlyFire]

I suspect if Sony and Microsoft truely aim for 4K and future proof their console then 1080 60 FPS on any title shouldn't be much of a problem as 4K would only run at 30fps max. Even the top cards out there run games in 4K at 20-30 fps, but a multi low power GPU solution could allow for consoles to do the same if not greater.

[Oschino1907]

After getting into 3d gaming all I can ask for is 1080p HD in 3d at 60fps along with full screen co-op 3d running at atleast 30fps.

[tordavis]

Another garbage "wouldn't this be cool? give me hits!" article.

[Munky]

I'm pretty sure this is a given. Another pre rendered video running off of the expected hardware for the PS4 to get the gaming community all giddy with excitement.

[ProjectVulcan]

I would rather just see something actually running in realtime on similar hardware rather than something pre rendered on a 10k workstation :-/

[Munky]

To be honest so would I. But a lot of E3 is more about generating excitement then anything else, the KZ2 video in 2005 blew the roof off the place. I suspect that Sony and MS are aiming for that type of reaction when unveiling the launch titles for the next gen consoles.

[ProjectVulcan]

What can be more exciting about showing something that can blow the roof off, only for the guy to pick up a pad and at least move the camera around to show it is being rendered in realtime! Yes peeps, this is exactly how the game could look or even better with the time left to finish the game, cos thats just how awesome our new hardware is?

That would be exciting. Pre rendered video should be banished, because it can only bring scepticism and criticism about the actual realtime game when the dust finally settles and the analysts move in.

KZ2's video only ended up biting Sony early on because the game was delayed and the gap between the video and the game was nearly 4 years. This just added to the stack of bad PR for PS3 at the start of its life. Where is this mythical KZ2, the KZ2 visual games etc etc....

Better just show something you have got, in realtime and be honest.

[jimbobwahey]

I'm not fussed. I mean the Killzone 2 video was pre-rendered and everybody said "There's no way the game will look that good" and then when it actually launched it looked significantly better than the original fake video which was incredibly impressive. I even remember the screenshots comparisons showing the huge increase in texture detail, lighting effects and geometry in the finished product compared to the original trailer.

Really impressive stuff!

[Tei777]

The problem with the ps3's reveal is that it was so far off from the actual systems launch, so they had nothing to show initially. If they show off ps4 at E3 and it launches in the fall, then I'd assume the launch games will be near enough finished by time of its reveal and there will be no need or excuse for those deceptive target render videos.

They couldn't pull that trick twice even if they wanted to. Both Killzone 2 and Motostorms target renders are still above anything we've seen on current systems. No one will place faith in such videos again.

[IcarusOne]

I don't understand anyone who thinks KZ2 looks better than the pre-rendered target. Honestly, I don't understand the people who say it was even close. If they had pre-rendered low res textures and massive jagged aliasing, then maybe it woulda been close.

My opinion, that was one of the biggest marketing fails of the generation, and it setup one of the biggest disappointments of Sony's lineup.

[pixelsword]

They need to fake the footage just to blow us away again. That killed all of the side-chatter and was a deal-maker for a lot of people. lol

[ABizzel1]

@Author

Enjoy your $600 PS4. I will as well one day, but I'm not paying that much again at launch.

@Munky

I seriously doubt we'll see pre-rendered video for most of the PS4 games, simply because the development teams have been working on the games for too long.

Who should be there Year 1

Polyphony last game was GT5 Nov. 2010 (2+ year ago by E3, 3 year by launch)
Guerrilla Games last game was Killzone 3 Feb. 2011 (2+ years ago by E3)
Evolution last game was Motorstorm Apoc. Mar. 2011 (2+ years ago by E3)
Sucker Punch last game was inFamous 2 June 2011 (2+ years ago by E3)
Sony San Diego are likely working on MLB for PS4

So as you can see, these developers have probably been working on their next gen titles for over 2 years, so they should be at a point where they're playable, even if they don't make it in the launch window.

My guess for launch titles are (MLB 14: PS4, Wipeout / Motorstorm / New racing IP PS4 (Evolution), GT6 Prologue, and a New Action-Adventure IP from Sucker Punch, and a New FPS from Guerrilla Games)

After that we should see something from Naughty Dog Team 1 (Uncharted 4 / New IP more likely), Sony London (PS4 Move something), and possibly some insight into FF13 versus, Agent, and Last Guardian at E3 2014 (If we don't see them then consider them cancelled, since 2014 should be Sony's off year since 2013 will be packed with devs. cranking out games on PS3, PSVita, and PS4).

Working on games now for 2013 - Q1 2014

Naughty Dog Team 2, is working on The Last of Us (PS3)
Sony Santa Monica is working on God of War ascension (PS3)
Sony Japan is working on Last Guardian (PS3 / PS4)

Media Molecule is working on Tearaway for the Vita (PSV)
Big Big Studios is a handheld (Vita) developer (PSV something)
Sony Bend is "rumored to be working on a Vita game" (Uncharted / Splinter Cell)
Sony Cambridge is working on Killzone Mercenaries (PSV)
Sony Japan is "rumored to be working on Gravity Rush 2" (PSV)

[Qrphe]

Idk, I'd say they did an awesome job with the actual game, I even prefer it the actual game to that CG.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost....

[OneAboveAll]

Irrelevant until 4K TV's are cheap enough for the common consumer. Guess what? They won't be for a while.

[iamnsuperman]

4K tvs are irrelevant anyway (not just talking about price). To noticeably see a difference between 1080p and 4K the TV needs to be around 80inch or above. Now Big TVs are good but this is where it gets excessive and no sane family (or enough of them) is going to put that in there living room. 4K is perfect for the cinemas and outdoor arenas. It isn't for the general consumer.

[Eyesoftheraven]

@Iamnsuperman You should probably look into pixel density per square inch.

Hell, watch The Dark Knight rises on Blu-ray using a high end calibrated monitor in ideal viewing conditions. It was filmed mostly in about 4k digital resolution and about an hour is 65mm iMax film telecined to digital which is equal to about 8k video, yes 8k. That's why iMax looks so amazing and costs so much more. It makes a very noticeable difference on any sized screen even if it's native 1080p and that's using film with all its imperfections in-between. Video games are rendered real time free of any imperfections from the chemicals used in film and then displayed pixel for pixel. 4k will make a dramatic difference from 1080p, no questions there. My point is that 1080p to 4k will be even more noticeable in games than in movies even at home on a 30-50" TV.

[rainslacker]

@Parallax

While it's true that the source material plays a major role in picture quality, the fact remains that the difference is negligible in a standard viewing environment. 4K TV's are going to have a much harder time gaining market acceptance. Just looking at the shift to HDTV a lot of people still couldn't see the difference, and early on there wasn't a whole lot of HDTV sources to be had.

A 30" screen is about a quarter of the surface area of a 60" screen, and 4K would be completely wasted on it. There may be slight differences in the 45-60" realm, but not enough for most people to upgrade, especially since there are very few media sources that will support it. There is a difference when going above 60", but as superman said, most families wouldn't have such a large TV in their living rooms.

As far as games are concerned, there are so many filters and sharers put into modern games that having more pixels to push could actually cause the image quality to decrease, as you are not simply pushing out a flat image pixel, but one that has various effects related to dithering and occlusion. Faults in those sharers would stand out much more, and be jarring to the viewer.

[Eyesoftheraven]

I totally agree 4k won't take off for a very good while, but everything about screen size, resolution and the noticeable difference is not true at all. A 50" at 1920x1080 has 47.89 pixels per inch. A 50" at 3840x2860 has 104.9 pixels per inch. More than twice the amount of pixels in the same area. I'd bet anyone who isn't blind as a bat could tell that difference—-especially with real time games.

It's all relative though. So of course an 80" at 4k is going to look far superior than an 80" at 1080p over a 30" because with smaller screens and higher resolution, it's pixel density that makes the difference. Imagine smart phones with 1080p. a 4" iPhone at 1080p would be 550.73 pixels per inch. There's a difference you'd be hard pressed to find since 300PPI is supposedly as high as the human eye can distinguish.

[nunley33]

If PS4 has 4k, it will be there for displaying 3D in 1080P more than anything else besides video and pictures. This is likely to happen with the 3D games the PS4 will see, but Uncharted 4 in 4k is unlikely but that would be drool inducing. Uncharted 4 in 3D 1080p could happen and would be a real showpiece in demonstrating that new standard.

[LocutusEstBorg]

Irrelevant because it's impossible. Even a PC can't run that resolution and a modern PC is atleast 20x a powerful as a PS4.

[iamnsuperman]

I am just going to call out the obvious here but how can a modern gaming PC be 20 times more powerful than a PS4 (a console yet to release). A more sensible (you should try it sometime) suggestion would to say the PS4 could possibly and is most likely to release as a mid high- to high end modern gaming PC

[seanpitt23]

If your right I don't think Sony would sell any ps4 but iam guessing your wrong

[Eyesoftheraven]

Modern high end GPUs can certainly handle 4k gaming at playable frame rates. Though for 60fps+ with demanding games, you'll need multiple high end GPUs and to lower some graphical settings.

[ABizzel1]

Not to mention the fact that There are several GPU's capable of running games in 4k.

GTX 670, 680, 690
HD 7950, 7970, 7990

All 4k capable with the last of each being able to run most at 60 fps still

[-Falaut-]

The brown ring on your arm much be around your armpit seeing how far you had to reach to pull that "fact" out.

[nunley33]

I seem to remember the PS3 having bluray at a time when the cheapest bluray player was a $1000 and those went down in price reasonably in a few years like HDTV did.

[Brasi1989]

4K is wasted on the human eye.

[chukamachine]

I have 4k eyes.

[dirthurts]

I have 8k eyes.

[TheNocturnus]

I have special eyes.

[izumo_lee]

I have hungry eyes.

[Npugz7]

I have slutty eyes!

[LOL_WUT]

I'm crossed eyed!

[RandomDude655]

I hate pizza pie.

[NastyLeftHook0]

I have killzone eyes

[Nicolee]

I have gold fish eyes

[Eyesoftheraven]

65mm iMax film is equivalent to 8k digital and it's certainly noticeable on any sized screen.

[rainslacker]

It's good for larger screens (60+). The same way a 720 signal can look better on a smaller screen than a bigger screen. I personally haven't seen a noticeable difference on a 50" screen, but that may have been a sourcing issue. I notice an appreciable difference on an 72" screen, but not enough to swallow the price tag.

[nunley33]

I have special (4) k eyes.

[KillerPwned]

Gonna need a 4k TV before the quality is even relevant bud ;)

[akaakaaka]

I disagree ..
Uncharted or killzone 2 still look miles ahead than any ps2 games on a sd TV, yes it lose many effect and details and the resolution is not hd but I bet I will be happy playing 4k games on my 1080p tv because they still will look way better then any ps3 game plus the gameplay will be more advanced tech.. until I decide to jump over a 4ktv and they will eventually get at a reasonable price obviously.

Plus there are going to be 8ktvs by the time or after the ps4 is out (at a more affordable price) but games will go by 4k and 8k will be only for pics or movie's.

[mamotte]

For me, it'll be sad if the first "nex gen" I see is an, original, new... FPS.

[kevnb]

I don't think consoles will do 4k next gen, maybe 1080p

[Megaton]

1080p is realistic. It takes immense GPU power to run games smoothly in 4K right now. Consoles will not come anywhere close to the power required at the moment.

[sandman224]

Ill be happy with it running on 720p at 60fps. I'd rather have it at 1080p at 60 fps but I don't want to push my luck

[NYC_Gamer]

I doubt many of us could afford to spend money on 4k sets right now

[Double_O_Revan]

Considering the TVs cost more then my car, I don't think there is ANY WAY games will be in 4K next gen.

[ALLWRONG]

4K haha I feel bad for the people who fell for the 4K hype train.

[cervantes99]

No need to feel bad. If one can afford a 4K TV then they are doing pretty good in my estimation :)

[Lvl_up_gamer]

I think he is referring to 4K on the PS4.

[josephayal]

Gaming PC Has no chance

[ABizzel1]

There's no need to a chance, when gaming PC's are currently doing it.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Hype, hyperbole and products that don't exist.

[Rageanitus]

Ummmmm dont get your panties all wet.... the ps3/xbox can barely do native 720p games.

Even some pc hardware struggles at 1080p!

Unless you get games with textures from quake 2.... I see 4k resolution not an issue ;)

[cervantes99]

4K - NO. 1080P/60fps - YES!

[seanpitt23]

We got promised that this gen so I hope it will be next gen

[cervantes99]

I'm pretty confident that 1080P/60 will be easily done next gen - at least I hope :)

[pandehz]

Yep we all can dream BIG, even then 4k wont happen anytime soon.

Well lets put it like this. Heres a 4k video link.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

(make sure to pick 'original' on quality settings and start from beginning again)

I bet some of you wont be able to play that video perfectly smooth on 4k. Now remember its a video, when talking about games its a whole different situation. Dont think KZ4 in 4k would be possible well maybe 3d chess?

[2pacalypsenow]

mine played smooth it just took a while to load the video on my GTX 690

[delboy]

4k lol lol lol it would be cool to see fanboys prise the 4k trailers they saw on their hd or subHD monitors/tv lol

[akaakaaka]

Devs have a set standard of
1080p 60fps for 3D
4k for non 3D
Why is this so hard to belive?

The jump from PS to PS2 was huge and so was from the PS2 to the PS3
Why will the the jump from PS3 to PS4 will be any different?
Sony clearly say they will not show the PS4 until there is a good difference and next gen has been delay already.

If you are smart enough you know the minimum ram for the PS4 is 8gb of ram and the best looking PC game that can do 4k graphics uses a today high end pc graphics card and do not even uses over 4gb of ram.(google it if you have not seen it)

So why is hard to belive a new next gen console that may come out by the end of 2013 can't do 4k?

If you think that next gen games will not look better then any pc game by the time it launch then you are full of bs...

[Pandamobile]

As soon as a console gets released, it's already outdated technology. At the start of a console's life cycle, there may be a 1-2 year period where console games look as good as PC games, but then PC pushes forward far surpasses what the static boxes can handle.

I don't expect many (if any) AAA next gen console games running at 4k resolution. It just requires far too much processing overhead.

[nunley33]

I could see sony putting 4K in the PS4 to sell 4K tvs, just like they did with Bluray & DVD..

[ziggurcat]

while there's no doubt that the next playstation will support 4K resolution, there's no way in hell that any game coming out on that system will support 4K resolution.

and even if there are games that are released to support that resolution, they'll be few and far between, just like how there aren't very many games on the PS3 that are native 1080p.

if anything, 4K resolution will be primarily there for movies/TV shows that are released on disc once blu-ray goes the way of the DVD.

[Coach_McGuirk]

anybody expecting fully-featured games like Killzone to be in 4k resolution on any next-gen console has their head in the clouds.

[FinaLXiii]

Better graphics wont mean much to me i want good games.

[dennett316]

They need to show something other than Killzone, because that art style sure is ugly and dreary. Technically proficient? Yes, but something like Rayman Legends is MUCH more visually appealing to all but the cursed likes of 13 year old boys who think that anything less than brown or grey tones is "gay" or "kiddie"....and the adults with that 13 year old mentality are much worse.

Also, lets not worry about 4K when they can barely manage 1080p with stable framerates and no screen tearing....lets not run before we can walk.

[Hicken]

That's funny, because me and my friends- all of whom loved Killzone 2 in particular- are over 25.

Of course, we love games like Rayman, as well. And games like Journey, Skyrim, Odin Sphere, and so on. But your assertion... is pretty stupid, to be blunt.

[BitbyDeath]

People seem to forget that when PS3 came out barely anyone had a HD tv, much like now how barely anyone has a 4k tv with PS4 being on the verge of coming out.

Prices come down overtime and consoles last years.

[JasonXS12]

Shut up about 4k, its not going to happen.

[OmniSlashPT]

Why do you want such graphics and rendering settings? PC nowadays can have photo-realistic models already, but why don't we see that? Because gamea are not only pre-rendered cutscenes. You need good animations, you need good programming of sequences. Look at TLOU animations, you don't see nothing like that on the PC. Look at the real-time ocean in UC3 as well. If talented devs like ND and GG do that with a 6 year old software, I cant imagine what they can do with the PS4.

Besides, Sony put Blu-ray and HD tvs on the map. They will be the ones putting 4K resolution and 4K tvs on the map as well. It might just be too soon though, but that depends in what they'll deliver this E3.

[esemce]

4K: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[MizTv]

As long as kz4 played more like kz2 and less like kz3 ill be a happy man

[iNFAMOUZ1]

4k ps4 LMAO, psheaaaa they wish.

[Drainage]

it better bring back Killzone 2or 1 . None of this Killzone3:call of duty nonsense.

[MizTv]

I just can not believe what they did with kz3
The classes sucked
Only 24 player not 32
No spawn nads
Kz2 is sill MY favorite fps of all time

[Elwenil]

First off let me say that I am a huge Sony fan and you can check my comment history to back it up. I do try to stay away from fanboy extremes but I prefer the PS3 over any other console.

With that said, I think I'll be more than a little upset if they start showing off games running in 4k anytime soon. Sure, it will look impressive but I think they need to spend their resources making games run smoothly at resolutions that are mainstream right now instead of most games running good at 720 or just below. With TVs capable of running 4k still over $20k, I seriously doubt that they will be a major player in the market anytime soon. I also doubt that 4k will be a huge draw for more than a fraction of current Playstation game purchasers. So what would be the point? The PS3 is great but I think it's obvious to everyone that it was a bit overambitious when launched and I think that hurt it in the beginning. I believe the fact that Sony cut back on some features and eliminated others to lower the price to be more competitive supports this.

I don't think Sony needs to be conservative with the coming generation, but I do think they need to be more practical. Supporting a resolution that will not be the standard until probably the end of the next generation at the earliest would seem to me to be a frivolous waste of resources that could be used to make better games and better quality hardware.

Now if they are just going to show a demo or pre-rendered vid and the PS4 will not actually run 4k, then I think that is a bit cheap as well. I want to see what new games will look like on my TV on my system, not some custom hardware they cooked up just to do a show. Let the games stand or fall based on their actual merits and not "bait and switch" marketing.

Just my .02

[strigoi814]

And the GEEK wars stars again....you guys should build your own gaming company and try to convince the haters

[CERN]

2013 will be a good year, but I think 2014 will be even better because i think the ps4 and the xbox 720 wont be out until late 2013. you will see few launch tites and ports and all the best games wont be out unil 2014. By then developers will get use to the new tech and start producing AAA games.

[ufo8mycat]

Three things

1) PS4 will NOT be able to run games at 4k resolution

2) 4k is pointless as there is no TV big enough to take advantage of 4k resolution. Hell most people that game don't even game on a TV bigger then 42", which is needed to see the REAL benefits of 1080p. - Waste of pixels.

3) You can try and blow my mind with Killzone graphics all you want Sony - the fact is the gameplay of the Killzone series is average. GFX mean absolutely nothing if the gameplay is average.

[BitbyDeath]

Cmon, Killzone and Halo (and Timesplitters) are the best FPS have to offer.

If KZ is average then Crysis must be like pong for you.

[level 360]

Read somewhere that Sony was the first(?) to come out with next-gen OLED technology but then somewhere along the way they couldn't figure out how to manipulate and prolong the blue pixel which dies out real quick which is a big issue indeed as this completes the color palette.
Samsung is doing something about it at the moment by means of color mixing to fix the problem.
Which is the reason Sony went back to LED but turned up the wicker times 3 to get to 4K resolution.

I'm sure next year we'll also see another battle with OLED and 4K. But am definitely sure Sony will implement 4K on to the PS4 ( which might make the console pricier.. maybe/maybe not? ) because it's just simply good business sense to match it with their television/camera/film making department.

[MYSTERIO360]

in my opinion when it comes to killzone 4 graphic is second. Guerilla games need to focus on better gameplay, story, characters & multiplayer. id expect better graphic as its been apparent in the past now the focus should be fun varied gameplay with more mode. That would woo me

[AKS]

Oh, great. More of the outrageous expectations for resolution with new consoles...

I already suffered through the "Full HD" marketing bullshit last generation. Dual 1080p displays and all that. Do we really have to do this again?

1080p and possibly 2K are reasonable targets depending on the other settings. Beyond that is not.

[ElectricKaibutsu]

I like how there's doubt that next gen will even be 1080p/60fps and this guy is hoping for 4k... Not to be a negative nancy but if the PS4 supports 4k at all it will only be for games with simple graphics. Otherwise Sony would have to magically jump ahead 5 years in technology if they wanted the PS4 to be sub $1200.

[WetN00dle69]

Wishful thinking and nothing more.

[ninjahunter]

OK, why the hell would you want 4K, how many people do you know have a 4k screen? exactly zero. how many 4kscreens have you seen for sale? exactly zero. Then why would you want something that would would seriously hamper the graphical performance but has no benifit over 1080p?

[Dr Face Doctor]

The only way you're going to get this game running at 4k is if you toned it down to make it look like Killzone 1, not that anyone has a 4k display anyway. 1080p MAYBE, but unless it's at 720p the graphical leap won't be that huge.

[annus]

Seriously, some people are just so stupid. Most PCs today wouldn't be able to run a high end game maxed graphics at 60fps with 4k resolution, and you can pretty guarantee that the PS4 won't be as powerful as the top end PCs at the moment, not unless you expect the PS4 to cost a huge amount as well as being absolutely massive.

[nepdyse]

Far Cry 3 in Eyefinity.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Father Murder X]

Killzone gets so much fanboy love on this site but in the real world its totally irrelevant.

[StitchJones]

4K is not even an option at this stage of the game. The PS3 didn't do hardly anything at true 1080p for graphics. Most games were 720p based. This whole 4k thing needs to be dropped and a definitive true 1080p gaming experience needs to be delivered to the public. If Sony is even still in business in 5+ years then maybe they can discuss the 4k level technology when it may be a little more known at that point.

[bucky1965]

The 4k was meant for movies not games. P.C.'s can,t do it even, only for screenshots. I'm sure Sony fanboys beg to differ.LOL.

[thecowsaysmoo]

That is because pc gaming is going the route of simple graphics, mine craft is a perfect example.

[annus]

Great example... A game from an Indie developer that was created on a low budget. Crysis 3 is ONLY supporting DX11, so it is missing out on a huge client base purely for the fact that they want it to push PCs and set a new benchmark for graphics, one could say that it is a sign that PC is still going strong in the graphic department...

[thecowsaysmoo]

Well, considering the conduit (wii game)is the best looking fps this generation I can wait to see it on the wii u.

[iNathan]

i never saw a trailer so many times... i think i saw it for like 500 times no joke with my Psm2 dvd of videos...

Good times.

[DivineAssault]

nobody has 4k tvs yet but itl be nice as an optional feature for the future.. I dont see games running like that tho.. Maybe bluray xds or something but not games..

[--Onilink--]

i cant even understand how people cannot grasp the difference between this gen and 4K. I mean, you could put together a $2000 PC right now and most likely you wouldnt be able to run a game in 4k....

For a casual consumer it might be ok to not grasp the significance in leap to 4k, but someone who "works" in the videogame industry should know better...

[Pandamobile]

A GTX 680 can play BF3 on ultra at 6k resolution at about 30 FPS. But the possibility of a next gen console packing something like a GTX 680 are pretty slim.

[annus]

5760x1080 = 6.22 million pixels
3840x2160 = 8.29 million pixels

The PS3 will not be able to render 1.3 times better than the GTX 680. Size aside (who wants a PS4 the size of a beast computer?), price aside (people don't want to pay thousands), view distance (and physics, textures, and all that other crap) aside, and assuming PS3 comes out in the next year or two (it will be worse than the GTX 680 most likely), assuming that games will be looking better and have more physics and other things happening in the background, assuming 60fps, we can see that there is no way that 4k resolution is going to be viable in gaming on a console in the next generation unless it is of minecraft graphics.

[Pandamobile]

Oh, I sort of assumed that 4k just meant 4 million pixels.

[IQUITN4G]

Still people talk of K2 matching the renders and still people fail to see how daft that sounds. The sheer amount of geometry available for renders means even next gen wont match it technically. Artistically of course that's something else. I did end up though rather liking the look of K2's final game graphics but absolutely in no way did they compare techically of course. Animation is another area that although excellent, is still very crude in comparison to the seamless transition animation needed for essentially a dynamic motion- the cgi here was of course rendered for this one take so was pretty much perfect in this sense

[isyourhouseonfire]

4K is dead on arrival... And Killzone was killed by KZ3's ridiculous ending, so unfortunately KZ4 doesn't stand a chance.

Nice try at an article, though...

[palaeomerus]

You doofuses were telling us all how Little Big Planet Karting and PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale blew you away.

You'll pretty much cheer for any crap if its exclusive to Sony no matter how derivative, tired, or lame.

Meh.

[KingKevo]

Maybe they'll show it in 4k, but only as a graphicdemo, just like the GT 4k graphicdemo. I highly doubt we'll see any games in 4k next gen, not even some smaller games, unlike this gen where some games did run in native 1080p. $k isn't relevant at all and won't be relevant in 4 years. The conversion to 1080p isn't even fully over yet. And btw, if they are gonna present it in $k everyone will be bitching about the final game... again.

[AO1JMM]

Until I can get a 4k 50+ tv under 1000$ I don't care what they show.

[SugarSoSweet]

single card modern gpu's unless their SLI aren't strong enough to get 4K

The next consoles will be 1080p mark my words

[Rettom]

Shutup with the 4k resolution crap. Not even dual GTX 690's could run a game with that resolution, mmkay?? You obviously don't understand how taxing that would be, mmkay?? So would you guys stop talking about playing games in 4k resolution, mmkay?? For now you'll only get still images. Not even in the next 10 years will consoles run that crap. Most likely not even PC.

[level 360]

No question Sony can/might/will implement 4K onto the PS4 since it's just one cog of a number of departments associated in film/film making, electronics in the entire Sony sphere.

But in the end it is still the different game developers that will be doing the shots on how their games would adopt this next-gen graphic technology - the good thing is it's there for them to trial ( if their budgets can afford ) and experiment.

[delboy]

4k is nonsense! You wouldn't see the difference between 4k and a full HD 32' tv while sitting 4m away on your couch.
4k is for movie enthusiasts with their expensive home entertainment setups.
4k projectors and huge cinema screens are the only reason 4k exist.
It's a standard for movies only and Blue Ray, you won't see any game or streaming tv anytime soon.

[DJ]

Realistically, we'll get 1080p 30FPS for most of our games, which is good enough.

Sony prefers to show real gameplay, so that's what we'll see at the PS4 reveal.

[Braid]

I don't mean to sound like a wise arse but anyone who's even thinking about the slightest chance of this happening clearly shouts out "I have no idea how the console/computer hardware work."

Have you ever played any game at all on PC in your life, at maximum 1080p settings? If so, you'd know that you just won't be able to run something like Watch Dogs/Star Wars 1313 at 4K/stable fps with ANY single graphics unit in the following five or more years. You can however SLI two monster GPUs for your custom built PC and you'd see wonderous things but really... consoles? You have to be an extremely naive gamer to hope that a gaming device which is limited by the size of its case and power consumption can be released with a thousand dollar GPU unit alone. That'd make your "dream" console retail with a price tag of $1500 at best.

Now the question comes to this: who'd pay that much for a console? If you're such a graphics fan why would you limit yourself with a pre-determined hardware that you can not alter later on rather than building your own PC which can do ANYTHING if you have a thick wallet? How about power consumption? Would you really want your console to consume double the amount of electricity than your friggin' refrigerator? How about mobility, would you really want to put a gigantic arse console case on your TV unit which will reside continually in your living room to be seen by your surprised guests, visitors and family? That'd be visual pollution at its finest as a console is NOT a personal computer.

I'm not sure if they can blow gamers away with the demonstration of your imaginary Killzone 4K but I'm sure as hell that they'd be BLOWING THE CONSOLE UP instead as I know for a fact that a mobility type of GPU that can handle such graphics is yet to be invented and even the heating problem alone could give your console infinite red lights of death after five minutes of intensive graphics processing.

If we can get 1080p/30 fps in games like Watch Dogs, that's a bigger achievement than most of you out there think.

[Petro]

Unfortunately I have to agree with them who say that even PC cant do 4k, I have some experience on that, I have two liquid cooled GTX 670's pumping more power out than a GTX 690, and in some games I can barely do 2560 x 1440 (highest settings) and I can easily do 1920 x 1080 with highest setting available with one exception, I'm looking at you Arma 2! :)

[Indo]

4k TV price being affordable will blow me away more than seeing Killzone 4 rendered in 4k Res.

[onandonandon]

ANY console maker showing off ANY game could 'blow us away' if it was shown in 4k!!

[hazardman]

I love Sony and Killzone series, but why 4k¿?..I mean I love great looking games, but we barely have 1080P programing and they already want to push this 4k shit. I would like 1080p/60fps before any 4k talk!

[Ulf]

Wow. People are really dumb enough to believe that such a high quality rendering can be done at 4K? KZ2 and KZ3 run at 720p -- 40% the pixel resolution of 1080p, and approximately 2.5% the resolution of a 4K device.

GPU power is largely measured on a PER-PIXEL basis. If you have 40 TIMES as many pixels to render, then you'd need 40 TIMES the GPU muscle of the RSX, and you'd still be running at 30 frames per second, with the same shader quality. Also, this is in dream-land, where only shader processing, and not fillrate, are an issue. Note that the KZ series also does deferred rendering, to at least 6 different framebuffers, and making these buffers 40X as big would be a pretty serious issue.

You would need at LEAST 3 GTX 680s to hit 40X the RSX, in terms of pixel processing muscle, and you'd need SIX of them to run at 60 fps, in 4K, STILL without any more interesting or expensive shading techniques. Also note that, in KZ3, the SPUs remove the AA work from the GPU, and having 240 SPUs (6x40) running at 2.5ms for MSAA just isn't gonna happen. You'd need even MORE GPUs...

I realize that I've simplified the problem quite a bit, for easy digestion, but the basic problem with running at 4K should be pretty obvious to anyone who passed the 3rd grade... I hope. No PC in existence could handle the rendering of such a beast, even at 30fps at last-gen quality, so obviously a budget livingroom console device isn't going to, either.

[Tzuno]

You have that 4k supporting screen?

[XboxInnovation]

not interested in Wackzone one bit

[ATi_Elite]

I just want to ask consolers a SERIOUS question!

Why do consolers get so EXCITED about 4K?

1. Do you know that a 4K TV cost $20,000
2. A 4K monitor cost $5,500 dollars
3. 4K really only benefits large screens that are 60" or higher
4. a 4K TV cost $20,000
5. there currently is NO broadcast or media in Native 4K
6. most people still do not have 1080p TV's!
7. Oh yeh and a 4k TV cost $20,000

Now 4K resolution will eliminate more jaggies thus needing less Anti-Aliasing.

BUT 1080p and using the new low resource hogging Anti-Aliasing tech like FXAA will be just as good!

So again, what's the big excitement over 4k cause I just don't get it especially when a 4K TV cost $20,000