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Why the Wii U may not gain back the hardcore gaming community.

Since the 1980’s, Nintendo has been one of the biggest, most widely known names in the video games industry, and a dominating force in sales, not only with home consoles but also with handhelds, as well as their various video game franchises: Mario, Pokemon, Metroid, Zelda...you name it. The company’s longest run of success was perhaps from the release of the original Nintendo Entertainment system in 1985, up until about the time the Nintendo Game Cube was released in 2001.

Akuma-4597d ago (Edited 4597d ago )

its because most core gamers arent fools. core gamers know what they want hence the name and most are in the know about the console manufacturers and their recent history.

core gamers got red steel and other low quality offerings on the wii so theyll know that a few core games doesn't mean much. postering or posing like a core gamers machine of choice wont fool many.

when it comes to a company like sony with the playstation brand, the core who are in the know knows that sony has been catering to them from the beginning of playstation and the renaissance of gaming. people often thinks ps move is a failure without realising that playstation focusses on core gamers first and others after. sony would love if ps move was doing better but i have no doubt that no matter the success of ps move that sony would never abandon the core or betray them like nintendo

ape0074597d ago (Edited 4597d ago )

so if u have a wiiu then you are not a core gamer

and if have a ps3 you are core gamer

that's the N4G logic right, no wonder why everyone makes fun of this site

Phil324597d ago

Agreed with ape007. The logic on this site just proves that gamers are immature manchildren who would rather play console and fanboy wars than actually play games. Hint: Console manufacturers don't give a damn about you. They give a damn about your money, so stop with the cheerleading.

live2play4597d ago (Edited 4597d ago )

if by hardcore gamers you mean all those 12 year olds screaming insults in your ear then then no
i hope it nevers gains the hardcore

miiverse is PERFECT without them

ShaunCameron4597d ago

And what is a "core" gamer exactly?

@ ape007
<that's the N4G logic right, no wonder why everyone makes fun of this site>

Actually it's no wonder why "core gamers" get no respect in the real world.

neogeo4597d ago

A core gamer is someone that is fat, does not shower, lives in moms basement, drinks energy drinks and has low muscle tone.

also tends to have porn addition.

daclynk4597d ago (Edited 4597d ago )

When did Nintendo betray the core. I got my original IPs on wii and I enjoyed every bit of it. so yeah answer me? when did Nintendo leave the core? Fanboys and Haters are so stupid to limit themselves to only one console. i get it if you don't have the money to buy multiply consoles. You are so missing out on many greats games out there. but to brand yourself to a company is so stupid and delusional.
Happy Gaming.

chriski3334597d ago

I have a ps3 sold my 360 2 weeks ago and got lucky about a week ago i picked up a 32gb wii u haven't opened it yet i want to keep kind off but i know i can make some $ off it right now but if nintendo can make some cool core games i might just keep it

MNGamer-N4597d ago

Keep it and play Zombi U

kobonline4597d ago

One of the most idiotic posts of the day.

AWBrawler4597d ago

I'll never understand people who think any of the big 3 cares more for the core than the other. Truth is they care about profits. And for the record the PS1 and PS2 were flooded with casual games well before wii even existed. I assure the 120 million owners of PS2 were not all hardcore. Not even half were. Just look at the sales numbers of hardcore titles. Nothing sold 60 mill

AO1JMM4597d ago

Akuma- You are not a core gamer!

deafdani4597d ago (Edited 4597d ago )

"Core gamers in the know", as you call them, would be aware that the Wii had a fuckton of core games: Sin & Punishment, Little King's Story, Mario Galaxy , Super Mario Galaxy 2, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Metroid: Other M, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, No More Heroes 1 & 2, MadWorld, Sonic Colors, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (and Metroid Prime Trilogy), Mario Kart Wii, Smash Bros Brawl, Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, Zelda Twilight Princess, Zelda Skyward Sword, Excitetruck, Excitebots, all the Trauma Center games, Red Steel 2, Zack & Wiki, Punch Out!! and many more; those are just some games that come to mind.

Or are you one of these deceived people that think that a core game = blood, tits and swearwords?

Also... "Sony would never abandon the core or betray them like Nintendo"? LOL. Get real, dude. They would do exactly what Nintendo did with the Wii if they knew it would earn them thousands of hundreds of millions of dollars. Neither Sony nor Nintendo nor Microsoft do ANYTHING of what they out out of a strange sense of allegiance to their consumers; they do it to sell stuff and earn money. Stop being so naive.

Not that it really matters, anyway, because as I already stated, Nintendo didn't betray the core gamers. They actually made a fuckton of superb games for the Wii, but third party devs didn't. However, the reason that Nintendo changed their strategy with the Wii was because they ended being dead last the previous two console generations... as in, they were pretty much "abandoned", or "betrayed" by the core gamers first.

Unknow_Master4596d ago

he probably squat someone basement just to troll

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MNGamer-N4597d ago

I love my Wii U so far. The graphics are great, they have some kinks to iron out which we all can expect from a new system. I want to play Pikimin 3 right now tho... Lots of great Nintendo franchises about to drop in the next year or 2.. too many to count. CODBO2 for wii U is amazing, you MFR's kill me so fast I'm embarrassed of myself.

neogeo4597d ago

If you have any doubts about the power of your WiiU. Think about this. All the ports that have come out so far are programmed ass backwards and still on par with ps3/360. Yes I said backwards. The ps3/360 are built around a weak gpu and strong cpu's to back esp PS3. The WiiU is completely the opposite. So i'm impressed how the games looks run so well using engines that are not made for it. The future is bright.

Gamer784597d ago

A CORE GAMER WITH BRAND LOYALTY IS THE FOOL. I OWN MULTIPLE SYSTEMS SO I CAN PLAY ANYTHING I WANT AT ANYTIME. I AM A CORE GAMER. IF YOU FEEL BETRAYED BY A COMPANY BECAUSE OF THE HARDWARE THEY PRODUCE, YOU HAVE ISSUES AND REALLY SHOULD NOT CALL YOURSELF A CORE GAMER. I MEAN IF HARDWARE MAKES YOU A CORE GAMER, THEN YOU SHOULD ONLY PLAY PC GAMES AND STICK TO THEM.

deafdani4597d ago

I WRITE IN CAPS LOCK TO MAKE MY ARGUMENTS MORE IMPORTANT.

jmc88884597d ago (Edited 4597d ago )

Renaissance of gaming? Look even in the 1983 crash, people were still expanding their gaming experience, there were just a glut of crap.

Gaming never had a renaissance, because it never took a dive. People refused to buy crap, thus the COMPANIES took a hit and folded. That's a big difference.

Recent history or any history doesn't equate the future, also you might want to realize all of gaming history and even then, it doesn't portend the future. But instead people have this mindset of the future of Nintendo that it's always going to be a 'Wii' system. That's incredibly asinine. It's like saying the X team will always be good. X carmaker will always put out a good car. X this or that is always one way or another. It's just plain false and retarded really.

The fact remains that unlike the Wii, the Wii U can run the same engines the 360/PS3 and most if not all the PS4/720 will run...because hint, the 360/PS3 are already using them.

Therefore there is no reason to think 3rd parties won't put out games on systems capable because they want lower sales of their IP's because they don't want to tap into a big market like Nintendo's consoles are.

Being a core gamer has nothing to do with one's perception of Nintendo. Nor is linking Nintendo's perception across generations, especially when thinking of recent generations and forgetting the earlier ones.

The Wii U is capable of core games, it will receive core games. People think Nintendo is going to go to devs and say....we are not going to let you put a 'core game' on our system.

Do people REALLY THINK that idiotic? Do they really think that Nintendo is run BY an 8 year old? Because for all the 'mature' games many people like to play, me included, a certain subset come up with ideas LIKE an 8 year old.

Wii U has core games, more core games are coming out, and more will continue to come out. People that think otherwise don't know a wheel is round.

jessupj4597d ago

But what happens when the PS4/720 come out and are vastly more powerful than the Wii U and thus 3rd party support disappears?

The core gamer's want a real next gen console. Not a machine that's slightly better than current gen consoles.

As a ps3/pc owner, I have no incentive to buy a wii U.

Gr814597d ago

A pc gamer I'm surprised you even have a ps3 or looking forward to ps4.
Simply because ps3/360 are nothing but jr. Pc's

RFornillos44596d ago

how "vast" would that be, is the question? and how sure are you 3rd parties will abandon Wii U?

the problem with your analysis is that you make it seem that the "graphics-power" difference of the Wii U and the nextbox/ps4 will be similar to that of the Wii/PS3-Xbox360. the reason devs seemingly abandon the Wii was that porting a game to it was too costly, and will immensely affect the quality of the game because of the major difference in hardware specs. this is not the case for Wii U.

recent news are suggesting that PS4 and XBox720 may not even be that "immensely" powerful when compared to Wii U. which means, they would be more powerful than the Wii U, but not much. now, given they are all rumors and not yet final till we hear it from them come E3, i don't think they'll be willing to go ultra-powerful and sell at a loss when they come out.

given that they will only have a slight edge over Wii U, devs would have a reason to go multiplatform for the three, as opposed to going exclusive. take into account that most dev companies (other than first part or 2nd party ones) are driven by sales and not by loyalty to a particular console. if they see that Wii U has a strong installed base, i doubt they will abandon the console. at most, they will go multiplat.

As a PC/Wii/PS3/Xbox360 owner who enjoys games regardless of company, I will buy a Wii U; and whatever the other two will offer.

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While Layoffs Hit the Industry, Nintendo Retains 98% of Staff Including 78 With Disabilities

TNS: Based on its most recent ESG data, Nintendo boasts a remarkably low staff turnover rate of just 1.9%, with virtually no reported layoffs.

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Jin_Sakai1d 21h ago

Because Nintendo makes great games.

Yesyes23h ago

It’s unreal that people are downvoting this when they consistently have the best scoring games on metacritic.

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rlow11d 18h ago

Well it doesn’t surprise me. As much money as they make and how they value their employees. It’s a great company in that regard.

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drivxr1d 15h ago

Well, when your games remain full price many years after release.

And you make profit off of outdated hardware.

I would be shocked if they couldn't afford to retain their staff.

lodossrage1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

I didn't want to say anything but drivxr is right.

Nintendo always sells at a profit because they purposely use tech that's always 5 or more years behind. And it's also true their games hardly ever get price decreases.

Don't get me wrong, it's great they kept most of their workforce, but making a point to have your tech specs behind everyone else affords that luxury.

Darkegg1d 10h ago

I don’t think it’s their purpose to use old tech. It’s their purpose to make value of software and know their value. Nobody makes games like them that’s for sure. I just don’t appreciate their customer unfriendly policy.

It’s not impossible to take their status. Companies need to have a selection of 8-bit and 16-bit. Now imagine a split screen for 8 player game for SNES Mario kart and selling at $9.99. The problem is that it doesn’t make profit. So many companies won’t invest in “old” technology. Everyone guns for triple AAA modern technology software but honestly we can enjoy modernized 16-bit creative ideas that allows 8-player mayhem. It’s a pipe dream, possible but impossible.

Shane Kim1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

If they ended up kicking people out after all of that stated above, it would be truly shameful.

DivineHand1251d 6h ago

Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Tesla and Meta are all trillion dollar companies yet they are laying people off in large numbers.

I believe the reason Nintendo layoffs off less workers may be a result of their culture. It seems Japanese companies believe in giving their workers long term or life long employment opportunities and will exhaust all options before laying off workers. This is something we don't see much of in the west unfortunately.

Rdeal1d ago

might be something to do with the fact all those companies hire more than 20x the employees than Nintendo

LoveSpuds1d 6h ago (Edited 1d 6h ago )

What the hell are you talking about? It has nothing to do with how profitable they are. Its completely cultural, MS and Sony make stacks of cash and still lay folks off. Nintendo chose not to lay off staff for the same reason their execs took pay cuts to increase staff pay instead; because they value their staff and view them as colleagues, and respect them as such.

If Sony weren't so US centric I fancy they'd fare better too, they should get shot of US and European leadership and go back to when Japanese execs were running the show if you ask me!

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Nintendo Switch 2 sales shatters records, most-sold console in 24-hour period

The Nintendo Switch 2 has set a new record by selling over 3 million units within 24 hours, tripling the PlayStation 4’s previous launch day sales.

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Jin_Sakai22d ago

Crazy. Switch 2 is going to do very well.

darthv7222d ago (Edited 22d ago )

No doubt, but.... the current price is out of the realm of the average parent / kid to buy like the SW1 was. So this launch achievement is from those of us with more disposable income.

The number of SW2 specific titles pales in comparison to the variety of SW1 games that get a performance boost right out of the box on this. And like the SX and PS5 before it, you can bet the majority are going to be using it as a means to better enjoy their existing titles that can benefit.

This may have been quick out of the gate... so was the WiiU. I quite enjoy it for what it is, but am keeping my expectations in check.

GenoPurpel22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

The Switch 2’s price point is great and fine and it’s still cheaper than the current gen of consoles aside from the Series S.

The only place I think they will fall short is their software sales, which also in turn may affect the hardware sales but not significantly. Parents will be fine paying for the system for their kids, but one look at an $80-$90 price tag for a single video game, that is where a lot of people will draw the line. Maybe not so much the people who are in the “willing to pay because I buy deluxe editions anyway” crowd, but for parents specifically, more sacrifices are gonna need to be made in their choices of gifts for their kids.

OtterX22d ago

As a parent of 3 with a very modest income, it was very affordable bc I already had an immense library of games, and the Mario Kart bundle came out to only about €50 more than a standard bundle. Both Zeldas were upgraded w Family Expansion Pass that I already had. Many games were upgraded for free. The only additional game I bought was Fast Fusion for 14.99 which was a great purchase!

Killer2020UK22d ago

People seem to forget that the Switch was $299 at launch which in today's money is roughly $400. That makes the Switch 2 a $50 increase when inflation is taken into account compared to the original.

Yes, people have less spending power on average compared to 2017 (Switch launch year) but this is not the MASSIVE price hike that people are making out Nintendo to be doing.

raWfodog22d ago

“No doubt, but.... the current price is out of the realm of the average parent / kid to buy like the SW1 was. So this launch achievement is from those of us with more disposable income.”

It could also be many people rushing to buy to avoid any possible tariff hikes in the future, but I think it’s still a good sign that many people still want physical consoles. Congrats to Nintendo! I’m not getting one at this time though (unless I get it for a Xmas present for one of my kids).

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1Victor21d ago

Congratulations Nintendo on finding the happy medium between their weak console and their invincible handheld plus learning from Sony and clearly defining the new console from the old unlike their Wii and Wii U just add a higher number simple yet effective 👍👍

victorMaje22d ago

Are people that keen on $90 games?
Is it true some remasters will also be $90?

DankSinatra22d ago

Tell me you don't research without telling me you don't research.

victorMaje21d ago

Nope. I didn’t research, I don’t own any Nintendo consoles and I had read on here something about $90 games on switch 2, so I guess it’s good now, people can calm down. Have a nice day :)

1nsomniac22d ago

I bought the Switch 2 I won’t be buying games at MK prices. I don’t ever pay over £45 for my games. Even my Nintendo switch exclusives I never paid more than £33 for.

franwex22d ago

I think the typo you put was meant to be $80.
Anyway, the answer to those questions seem to be yes.

victorMaje22d ago

Looks like I’ve been enlightened about the amount. Happy to see it’s not $90.

Sgt_Slaughter20d ago

Don't get your news from clickbait TikTokers/YouTubers, only go to the source (Nintendo) or reliable new outlets like IGN.

No game is $90 on the Switch 2, and they will never go there. Most games will be under $80, too.

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gold_drake22d ago

cool
wasnt expecting it not to sell well

Profchaos22d ago

Its crazy that it's both the highest selling console on day 1 and people can walk into a store and buy it with no pre order

Ashunderfire8622d ago

Yup while I was waiting in line from Best Buy for Switch 2, like I did for Switch 1 back in 2017, every waiting 12am was going to get a Switch 2! I was in the no preorder line too!

My friend manage to get 4 Switch 2s at his GameStop store, that was lowkey not busy at all. Got them all for himself and his family. Super easy to get a Switch 2 over PS5.

Profchaos22d ago

The struggle to get a ps5 was real had mates wait over 2 years for stock i got lucky and got it day 1 but still

Ashunderfire8622d ago

I know and I also struggled getting a preorder for the PS5, when Walmart, Best Buy among other retailers open their preorders a day early before most of us realize it. I got my PS5 launch day thanks to YouTube Live Streamer Jake Randell. He helps people get preorders and launch consoles.

Neonridr21d ago

the PS5 also released during a global pandemic.

Ashunderfire8621d ago

It’s funny how I got disagrees for speaking the truth for what I experienced getting the Switch 2. Nintendo had more copies of Switch 2 than Sony for the PS5.

Don’t be butthurt about this very fact. People on here disagreeing with crazy reasons lol

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hiawa2322d ago

Doesn't that mean Nintendo made sure they had plenty of stock available at retail.

Profchaos22d ago

Yeah it's nice to see they prepped for it

adamwparker22d ago

Yeah, I remember reading an article over two years ago with Nintendo stating that they were going to do all that they could to make sure their next console didn't have the PS5/XBox reseller swiping /no stock fiasco happen to them.

Looks like they made sure production met demand. Refreshing to see that the reseller thing didn't trend and I hope a lot of people who bought multiple units for the sole reason to resell then at $1000 are now stuck with them.

jznrpg22d ago

It also means there isn’t a chip shortage when PS5/Xbox came out during pandemic

gold_drake22d ago

to be where fair, we had a current gen come out during covid ha

repsahj21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

I remembered I tried 7 pre-order events during the PS5 launch. I gave up and ended up buying 1 from a scalper. But now, I already secured 1 pre-order Switch 2 unit in my country very easy and without problems.

Neonridr21d ago

kudos to Nintendo for ensuring a healthy amount of stock.

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Terry_B22d ago

Unlike the Switch 2 , the Playstation 4 was not sold on the same day in most regions.

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Nintendo Has Confirmed It Will Be Attending GamesCom 2025

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Obscure_Observer42d ago

Not surprising at all.

I mean, they´ll be releasing a new console in a few weeks.

repsahj40d ago

I hope they show new Switch 2 exclusive games.