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Why Xbox One's 720p problem is the biggest deal-breaker yet

VideoGamer: "For a long time I've accepted Microsoft's rhetoric on the power of Xbox One. I've gone along with the talk about balance; I've acknowledged the promise of Cloud technology; and I've empathised with its frustration over the ongoing community backlash."

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allformats3841d ago (Edited 3841d ago )

It is. Soon we'll be in 2014, 720 gaming in such a modern world, on a games console that will be around for the better part of ten years, and a console that's sold at $100 higher than it's more powerful, 1080p capable competitor, is simply unacceptable, and you'd be blind to think otherwise.

slimeybrainboy3841d ago

I still think that this is being blown out of proportion. Devs only found out the final specs this year. Engines arent really optimised for next gen consoles yet.

I think this highlights that the PS4 is more powerful, but I dont think this means that the XB1 wont be able to 1080p 60fps in future multiplats. Didnt alot of devs say they were shocked by the PS4 GDDR5 announcement in Feb? And dev kits were only finalised a couple of months ago.

As developers get a hang of the XB1 hardware they'll be able to get alot more out of it. Look at the PS3 launch games compared to GTAV.

The Meerkat3841d ago

But then PS4 devs will improve too.

They might not add more pixels or fps but the PS4 devs could add better lighting or AA.

There is no way anybody can put a positive spin on this news without looking like they are employed by MS

theBAWSE3841d ago

@slimeybrain

well doesn't that goes for ps4 as well? Sony changed the specs so devs are not used to its architecture either and yet.... it's pushing DOUBLE the pixels of xbone

this will not get better as devs get used to both consoles the gap will widen as the ps4 is that more powerful

shivvy243841d ago

I see why it wasn't called the xbox720
/s
@slimey, I kinda do agree with you but I doubt theres gonna be much of a difference on resolution once optimised

AsimLeonheart3841d ago (Edited 3841d ago )

Both consoles are starting at an equal footing right now. There is no doubt that Xbone will improve over the years but so will the PS4. It is just like two brothers ageing together. When the 5 year old reaches 10, the formerly 10 year old is already 15. The little one will never be able to catch up.

vigilante_man3841d ago

Now we know why they didn't name the new console XBox 720!!

In 2-3 years the tools will be there to get the XB1 as close to where the PS4 is now as possible. By that time the PS4 tools will be even more advanced.

The PS4 has the raw power. It will always be ahead in terms of graphics. Lets get used to this right away and move on.

Now we know, we can focus on the most important thing - the GAMES!

scofios3841d ago

Dudes calm down you can soon buy 1080p dlc on live .
Or 1080p if you are gold :-)

4Sh0w3841d ago

"But then PS4 devs will improve too."

So, but why are we pretending 2 lower res games mean that X1 cant do 1080p its whole lfetime, besides the fact that there are already 1080p games on the console now?

Crazay3841d ago (Edited 3841d ago )

I find the # of disagrees comical.

You're absolutely right. PS3 was notoriously difficult to develop for but developers figured it out with time and the system benefited greatly for it. The same will happen here, for both systems even.

tigertom533841d ago

I love a lot of things about Microsoft but I agree with what this person wrote Sony has sealed my purchase first this generation. maybe down the road I will look at Microsoft with price drops and new sku for what exclusives they might have....

tigertom533841d ago

Xbox should of been easier to develop for being X86 processor and the architecture similar to xbox 360 im not sure how much more they can improve this generation, it seems like a slightly better xbox 360 with a little bit more cpu power and ram...

bcrazy183841d ago

I agree with you. I've stayed this before, the PS4 is easier to code for and the devs just recently got the finalized dev kits.

@ The Meerkat and theBAWSE.... Yes it does mean the PS4 will ass well but the Xbox One had more to gain than the PS4 so the improvement will be more with the Xbox One over time.

Stick893841d ago

The comparison of Xbox One to PS3 when it comes to programming isn't very good. The Xbox One's architecture is for the most part identical to the Xbox 360's (everything is just bigger and better of course) yet it's specs when compared to the PS4 are lacking and there is no denying that, there is no secret sauce here for developers to figure out. The PS3 on the other hand launched with a totally unknown architecture and was arguably on par or better than the 360 spec wise (except for not unifying the RAM). Once developers figured out how to code for the PS3 they were able to create games that matched what 360 could do, and in terms of exclusives look better than anything 360 had.

TLDR:
Xbox One architecture isn't new, no secret formula.

PS3 had a totally unique architecture and therefore had room for growth as developers learned it.

Apples to oranges.

NewMonday3840d ago (Edited 3840d ago )

@bcrazy18

actually the upside is even bigger on the PS4 because future games will tap into GPU compute and developers will let themselves loos with the huge RAM bandwidth.

boneso823840d ago

Current PS3 owners are going to buy a PS4, if and when they upgrade. A significant percentage of 360 owners are going to buy a PS4, if and when they upgrade. A percentage of 360 owners are going to buy an Xbone, if and when they upgrade. That percentage of 360 owners moving to Playstation next gen are what is going to make the difference in sales, because nobody already in the Sony camp are going to convert to a more expensive, less powerful and most importantly, unfamiliar and unliked piece of hardware from a company they are not familiar with who have dug themselves a very very very deep hole. It's only a matter of time before they are buried alive in it.

gaffyh3840d ago

It's actually quite a well thought out article, and you can tell the writer is genuinely frustrated at the fact that MS has blatantly lied to everyone up to this point when it comes to the power of the system when compared to the PS4.

Major Nelson said he was looking forward to the truth coming out. I bet he regrets saying that now...

UltimateMaster3840d ago (Edited 3840d ago )

@People saying Xbox One will get better with time.

No doubt it will.

The PS4's GPU is still superior, meaning they can push graphics even more so than the Xbox One can.

It's not some foreign architecture that's hard to develop for, maybe it is in the case of the eSRAM but that's it.
3rd party developers made almost identical games last gen because they did not want to bother to learn the Cell, but first party made good use of it.

Now, not only will first part devs make good use of it, but so will 3rd party and it's already showing. Some sites say you can only increase the performance of Gb/s by 40 with the eSRAM, with the 68Gb/s of DDR3, it makes around 105/110 GB/s as opposed to the easier GDDR5's 176Gb/s.
Other sites say it can reach 200Gb/s in total, but it's still not that significant.

First one, 110 VS 176, X1=62% of the Ps4
Second one "max optimization in some future", PS4=88% of the X1
(This comes from somewhataccurate.com, just the name of the website makes me feel like, meh.)
That's if they even use the eSRAM, 68 VS 176, X1=38% of the PS4.

And that's before we count in the GPU PS4 50% > X1.

So yeah, if everything were already optimized maybe it would be a bigger debate, maybe not, but developers are hating the eSRAM because it's too complicated. So, your call.

theAMC19813840d ago

Both consoles will improve, but how much, nobody knows. I just don't think people should rule out Xbox One so fast. We can see that the PS4 is more powerful (on paper), but so was the PS3. It depends on what they bring to the platform. How can a system (360) have a 50% fail rate, but still stay on top for 32 months? I'm sure Xbox will be worth it as well as PS4 will be.

I can't wait to see the next God of War.

If nobody can put a positive spin on this news about the resolution without sounding like they are employed by Microsoft themselves then the person who thinks this is a reason to not get a Xbox One is employed by Sony. There is no way that the Xbox One will suck (really people... suck?) as people say who have never played it, but seem to follow what other people say.

A game system hasn't really sucked for years
The CD-i sucked. Virtual Boy sucked.

The RROD was a horrible situation, but at least people got to play theirs for a few years, but the PS3 had updates that killed off the system completely (an update!) a lot of times if you didn't update, you couldn't experience some better features until you did. That is scary. I'm glad I never had a single problem with updates though. Let's just hope things are better this time.

We finally got some PS4 games at my job and I instantly got hyped. We got a Xbox One demo too, but can't set it up which is killing me. People need to be experiencing these consoles and we need to set up the damn kiosk.

gaffyh3840d ago (Edited 3840d ago )

@theAMC - "We can see that the PS4 is more powerful (on paper), but so was the PS3."

Difference is, PS3 was A LOT more difficult to code for than the Xbox 360. Which is why nobody other than Sony devs were able to fully take advantage of the system. This time round, PS4 is as easy, and looks like it is in fact easier to code for than the Xbone. I said it months ago, this would most likely mean better looking third party games on PS4 vs Xbone, and looks like I and a lot of others, were right.

"It depends on what they bring to the platform. How can a system (360) have a 50% fail rate, but still stay on top for 32 months?"

Simple, price. Xbox 360 has been $100 or more cheaper than the cheapest PS3 for the entire generation. The other thing to make note of is that this is in America, which MS has focused on this gen and most likely will next gen. Worldwide, PS3 has been outselling Xbox 360 for a while now. The final thing to remember is that some of those 360 sales are from consoles that have failed or been banned, so people buying multiples. I have 1 failed one out of warranty myself and have 1 working one.

If your system gets bricked, it is actually fixable, as it is a software issue. RROD and YLOD are hardware issues, much more difficult to fix. My PS3 has never gotten bricked by an update.

SilentNegotiator3840d ago

"Engines arent really optimised for next gen consoles yet"

Didn't stop developers on Ps4.

UltimateMaster3840d ago

All consoles will do their best to push the graphics.

LocutusEstBorg3840d ago

10 year old PCs with a fraction of the power of the Xbox One ran games at 1080p.

Ps4Console3840d ago (Edited 3840d ago )

Yeah they did find out this year & the same time as each other but the Ps4 can run at 1080p but the Xbox one can't explain .

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AsimLeonheart3841d ago (Edited 3841d ago )

I wonder where are all those Xbone fans that said that the developers will program for the lowest common denominator and the PS4's potential will be wasted anyway so it does not matters if the PS4 is a "little" more powerful. They were so horribly wrong.
Now we see that the PS4 is much more powerful and its potential is being utilized.

BF4 PS4 = 1600x900 = 1,440,000 pixels
BF4 Xbone = 1280x720 = 921,600 pixels

PS4 is pushing 56.25% more pixels than Xbone!

CoD Ghosts PS4 = 1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels
CoD Ghosts Xbone = 1280x720 = 921,600 pixels

PS4 is pushing 125% more pixels than Xbone!

The better textures, lighting, anti-aliasing and frame rate to boot are a completely another matter. The fact is that the PS4 is simply much more powerful than the Xbone and once the Santa Monica and Naughty Dog games are revealed, we will truly understand the difference in power.

Elit3Nick3841d ago

you have to realize that resolution is only a certain part of the game, just because BF4 PS4 version has 56.25% more pixels, does not mean that it's more powerful by the same amount, assuming that both were using the same everything(textures, lighting etc.) it would mean that it's about 20% more powerful. But the fact here is that the BF4 X1 version IS using better textures, I mean not marginally better, but multiple comparisons confirm this, the difference is a bit smaller, not to mention that they are still working out the ESRAM means that gap might close even more. Not saying that both will have identical performance at their max, but the difference between the two is much smaller than most people here like to think

McScroggz3841d ago

@Elit3Nick The Xbox One isn't using better textures, Infinity Ward just simply increased the sharpness. Well, that's what it looks like to me at least. Based off of everything I've read about game design the game with the lower resolution isn't going to have better textures - that's backwards.

The Xbox One's version has it's sharpness and contrast tuned higher with weaker overall visual effects. There isn't a huge difference for people who aren't sensitive to these things (For the most part I consider myself among them), but this idea that the lower resolution versions of games will have better textures, etc. is just a farce.

AnteCash3841d ago

You dont need to w8 for ND or SM ,Gameinformer already sed that Order 1886 is the best looking game they have ever seen.

TristanPR773840d ago

Agree with you. What is shocking here is the extreme denial that the xbox community have, they even believe that an inferior version of a game will look better than the superior version.

cell9893840d ago

@Elit3Nick extreme denial, I get what youre trying to say, but you seem to emphasize your point way overboard, like youre trying real hard to let people know the xbone isnt that bad, when in reality I think it is.

I bet the PS4 version has (for the mist part) been done, and it was the xbone version Infinity Ward had to really optimize to get it running at 60FPS. HAd they spent more time optimizing the PS4 version we would have better lightning, effects, and AA as well. That extra horsepower was just used to bump the resolution.

I picture developer nightmares with the xbone SDKs

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Sayai jin3841d ago

This will be a deal breaker for some of the core. While having the best graphics appeals to some of us most of the base which makes up the casual which is the majority of the market are not really going to compare graphic specs side by side. Casuals on the other hand are going to go with brand name and/or price and errr availability. The PS4 has the upper-hand on price. MS is missing an opportunity to have a matching or cheaper price point.

All in all what does this really mean....if you want to play games that are only on the PS4 then they'll get a PS4 and if you want to play games that are only on the XB1 then they'll get a XB1.

boing13841d ago (Edited 3841d ago )

Word of mouth is enough for MS to be worried. And this is just the beginning.

5eriously3841d ago

@Sayai jin

THUS if you want the best of both worlds then play the best games on the PC and the best exclusives on PS4. Than that makes the eXB0Ne an eXN0Ne and totally redundant in my books. I will look at the eXB0Ne in future purely for the Kinect2 experience unless the Kinect2 also becomes available for the PC.

MynextGen3841d ago

Denial and your Ps4 wont be around that long remember we have games you don't we have dedicates servers you dont we have money you don't

Aww no Hdd support and lots of other stuff not coming at your launch lmao

LoveOfTheGame3841d ago

I'm more of an Xbox guy, but this goes to fans of both sides:

Don't use the word "we" to describe the community you are a part of. It just comes off weird as you are most likely not a part of that company.

InTheLab3841d ago

There's dedicated servers for PS3 games.

Internal HDD is still a thing.

MS has money but not to burn on a failed launch or yet another failure like the first Xbox, RRoD, zune and eventually surface.

You also only have Forza and DR3 for launch. Titanfall is multiplat and coming in March. The other games you have look and perform better on another console.

TristanPR773840d ago

PS4 have HDD replacement and xbone don't.
PS3 have dedicated servers
Microsoft have money and yet they have never won a console generation while Sony have won 2 console generations and have the best console of history, the PS2.

Don't force it, accept it and die in peace.

Funnymonkey0133840d ago

Have fun with ur weaker gimmicks cable box while we enjoy games the way they r made to look best on PS4:)

SonyKong643840d ago

wow.. please don't breed = /

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IcicleTrepan3841d ago

It's not a 'cancel pre-order' type of deal breaker for me as I have both preordered. What it is for me is a 'looks like I'm buying all multiplats for PS4.'

LackTrue4K3841d ago

Some people want to take full advantage of there set ups!! 1080p large tv/surround sound, nothing wrong wanting a system/console that can take full advantage of there sick setups.

tigertom533841d ago

still Microsoft will have 2x better audio processor, but will suck in the graphics

Shnooze3840d ago

@tigertom53

Audio.. Processor? Don't you mean sound card?

IRON883 3841d ago

I don't really understand why is it only 720p? I mean come on we're on the door step of next gen and Xbox drops this brown bag of flaming poop on us??? Not cool

ambientFLIER3841d ago

Microsidt didn't develop COD ghosts...so why the hell are you blaming them? BF4 looks better and has WAY more going on, so obviously the console can handle better graphics. Forza is 1080p/60fps bative...

tigertom533841d ago

Microsoft F**k up the GPU....

ziggurcat3840d ago

@ ambient:

IW not being able to get CoD @1080p native on xbone means one of two things:

1. the hardware isn't strong enough (which is why you could blame MS).

2. the people at IW are awful programmers, and should probably just stop making games altogether if they can't get native 1080p @ 60fps (and CoD isn't necessarily known for taxing the system, graphically) on a console that is at least 10x more powerful than current gen tech.

xbone supporters are probably now seeing what PS3 owners had to deal with early on in this generation's life cycle - bad ports from lazy devs. we're even starting to see "bu-bu-but xbone is more difficult to program for" excuses (which i've always thought as being lazy talk from devs, even on PS3) coming from the xbox camp, and esram isn't exactly new tech, either...

cell9893840d ago

@ambientFLIER: you really got to stop using Forza as an example of supreme graphics, the game runs on a lot of old gen tech, Forza is more of a xbox360 port for xbone, which is why its able to achieve 1080P/60FPS a lot of smoke and mirrors on that game. Ryse is still the best visually impressive game xbone has

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T23840d ago

Show me exactly where any developers stated xbone is hard to develop for and is not simply lower in power .

^wow quite a graphic , thats crazy

Darrius Cole3840d ago

It took me a few minutes to realize that the PS4 screen is the black space. i thought it was background wallpaper.

IRON883 3840d ago

Yup that's a great point buddy good job

SL1M DADDY3840d ago

It's a shame to think that the Xbox team has been resting on their laurels like this. It all feels like the last launch in reverse. I wonder if MS will be able to pull themselves up from this much like Sony did the last gen.

devwan3840d ago (Edited 3840d ago )

The xbox team haven't been resting on laurels - they're been working hard to create the system and ecosystem they were tasked with - al all-in-one living room box. Not a games console. People inside the xbox team apparently made plenty of comments and suggestions regarding the direction, policies and focus of the platform - but it's the suits in charge and they prioritised TV and TV content over gaming (apparently investing more money in this than gaming). They took gaming and gamers for granted - that was a given for them, they already had them in the bag. They wanted 10x the audience and it looks like they'll have to settle for only a fraction of what they thought they had and no more.

Warrick3840d ago

WHO CARES TELL ME WHEN YOU NOTICE A DIFFERENCE IN GRAPHICS! plus cloud is awsome fixes glitches also better lighting and better graphics on game. xbox spent 700million PS4 spent 380 xbox. Cloud is next generation gaming and Microsoft knows it enough said.

T23840d ago

Even if it wasnt a big deal now , it will be . My new prediction is xbox two aka xbox 1080p drops in 4 years

strickers3840d ago

That is a wall of babble.

Funnymonkey0133840d ago

Dude u must be blind the cloud does not make games look better all it does is make better al. And slightly better connection on games that's it. So how about u start reading what things r and do before writing something that isn't true really people like u r laughable fanboys.

SonyKong643840d ago

can't wait for puberty can you? it'll come, literally = )

IRON883 3840d ago

It is a big deal the Xbox one is suppose to be the next gen gaming system but they don't want to move up

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LAYLOW3840d ago

Channeling my inner IVERSON . " What are talking about COD ? COD ? we are talking about COD ! COD....? not a REAL 1st party Game that we all love and wait for with infinite anticipation ,no not that ,we are talking about COD ! COD ? We are talking about COD ....CALL OF DUTY ,CALL OF DUTY PEOPLE ,CALL OF DUTY!! Seriously ? We are talking about COD ? Not a actual game that we here about in development for years and we cant wait to get our hands on for a years before its launch,no not that ,weare talking about CALL OF DUTY? Man who gives a fuq if that shitty game 480,720,1080 .....its COD !! Call of duty people ........call of duty!! Blahahahahah!!

devwan3840d ago

We are talking about only one of a very few multiplat games we can compare directly on both platforms. Laugh all you like - it'll continue as more and more multiplats arrive to both systems.

Foxhound9223840d ago (Edited 3840d ago )

Wait....what game is it? Call of what?

OT: Still this is no excuse, and the fact that it is call of duty kind of goes against what you are saying. Cod is in no way shape or form a next gen game. It's not a hard game to run in terms of processing. If current generation games can run it, then there should be no reason why the x1 can't. If they can't get a simple copy and paste, simple game to run on par with the ps4, then what can they?

jmc88883840d ago (Edited 3840d ago )

Actually so far we're talking about multiple games, and expect it to be HUNDREDS of games by the end of the generation.

It does matter, because at 1080p, you can better see the camping snipers in the distance. Or some guy trying to hide somewhere.

It definitely means something.

Every bit the ESRAM leaves on the table, increases the ~50-400 percent power difference the PS4 holds over the Xbox One.

If you had two cars racing, one had 300 HP, one had 500 HP, which one would win? Easily the 500 HP. But what if besides this raw advantage the 300 HP car also had a wonky fuel line, which might only give you only 1/3 flow on fuel? The 500 HP car would thrash the 300 HP car by far larger margins.

ESRAM is going to be an issue in EVERY GAME. It's something that more experienced devs, in yearly franchise type settings, will get somewhat better with it, but it will always be an issue. As for the medium and indie devs that might not have quite the same time, money, and talent? They're screwed. Which means xbox one owners are screwed.

H0RSE3840d ago (Edited 3840d ago )

@allformats

Some of you seem to be extremely naive or overambitious with this arbitrary idea that 1080p is a "must" for next-gen. You guys really need to understand that although the console are "next-gen" (largely just a buzzword with no definitive meaning) they are still just $400-500 devices, not high end PC's. Some of you even go a step further, and include 60fps in your "demands," as if it's such meager feat to fulfill...To expect nothing but "the best" across the board on such a medium, is pipe-dreams.

I don't doubt that games will release in 1080p, as some games already are, but every single game? Get over yourselves. If such high-end quality is of the utmost importance to where you "demand" that games play a t 1080p, or even worse, 1080p/60fps, as seems to be the case with many, than you should playing your games on the best hardware available - PC. If you choose a lesser medium, than you should except a lesser quality product, it's really that simple. You can point the finger and cry "PC elitism," but really it's just being rational.

Graphics or resolution alone is not some guideline to base whether or not a game achieves "next-gen" status, and if you think otherwise, then quite frankly, you're wrong. If none of the next-gen games achieved 1080p, they could still easily qualify as next-gen, due to other aspects, whether it be to techniques like AA or AO, more content and features available, new, innovative ideas, higher framerates, higher poly counts, and even sharper visuals. Yes, a game running at 720p, can look sharper than a game running at 1080p. BF4 is a good example of this. Is it running at 1080p? No, not on either system, but both versions are running at 60fps, and have 64 man servers. That is an example of "next-gen" in gaming, despite lacking 1080p resolution.

If it's just pretty games running at a smooth framerate that is needed to justify your purchase, then again, you are on the wrong platform, since we have been achieving this for years on PC.

As for the arguments over X1's perfroance/graphics and it being "more for less," these arguments are misplaced and inaccurate, due to the fact that the extra cost is largely due to the inclusion of the Kinect, NOT due to the claim that you are getting more powerful hardware. Another aspect is the HDMI-in port, which regardless how useless you see it (along with the Kinect) it's still going to drive up the initial cost, so it would actually be more accurate to claim that you are paying "more for more," since you are physically getting more. Do the PS4 bundles cost more than the regular PS4's? Same logic applies here.

otherZinc3840d ago (Edited 3840d ago )

You guys sound ridiculous.

You guys are talking about a 3rd party game, that's made FOR LAST GEN CONSOLES.

COD & BF4 is the exact game for the PS3 & 360 that's upped to 1080p @ 60fps, that's it.

However:

Forza 5 is MADE FOR NEXT GEN and is
1080p "native" @ 60fps: Both On & Offline!
With more features than any racing game Ever.

Yet, you guys refuse to acknowledged that Fact!

I ask you haters: where's Drive Club?

devwan3840d ago (Edited 3840d ago )

"COD & BF4 is the exact game for the PS3 & 360 that's upped to 1080p @ 60fps, that's it. "

Do your homework - BF4 on current gen is nothing like the same game that the ps4 & xbox one will have.

As for f5 made for next gen - that's your opinion. Many people would disagree with that as they believe it's very much built on existing tech.

T23840d ago

The fact that a free game makes you so defensive is hilarious , wait till the forza 5 vs gt6 comparisons come out you will be screaming about how forza wheel treads have blacker blacks

Magicite3840d ago

Now You see why MS said: specs dont matter, its all about games.

HardcoreDaBoss3840d ago

is it really? This is not PC gaming people. we play games to enjoy the quality, not to look at pretty walls and ceilings. I play games to enjoy every exclusive on every console xbox, nintendo, sony. Im what you would call a real gamer... not some fanboy like N4G seems to attract. All I ever hear on this site is wii u is weak, xbox is weak, ps4 iss umm super awesome. If people really care so much about being 1080p at 60 frames then go out and buy a gaming pc and then brag.. but bragging about console specs just makes everyone look foolish and kiddie. I bet most of you have never seen gaming above 1080p with settings maxed out.. If you did you wouldn't be on here bragging about your'e favorite console being almighty

HugoDrax3840d ago

" I bet most of you have never seen gaming above 1080p with settings maxed out.. If you did you wouldn't be on here bragging about your'e favorite console being almighty"

Well said! I have, and let me tell you....my first experience was when Half Life 2 released. I couldn't believe how good it looked, and that was in 2005. I had purchased an Alienware PC, for gaming and design work. This was before I began building my own rigs. Anyhow, if I played The Orange Box today on my PS3/360, it still wouldn't look as good as it did on my 2005 PC.

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grassyknoll3841d ago

Anyone who says it doesn't matter & can't tell the difference may as well stick with the 360.

CRAIG6673841d ago

Are you saying Ryse,Forza 5 etc are able to run on the 360? No. That's why I am upgrading.

Themba763841d ago (Edited 3841d ago )

actually ryse started on the 360 long ago and was ported to x1 not a true x1 title.

DoesUs3841d ago

I* think he's refering to the 720p VS 1080p discussion.

Elit3Nick3841d ago

@Themba76 okay that's a stupid argument, there was no working demo of the game when it was a kinect title, so the only thing that got ported over was it's name. Are you so insecure about your choice of first party launch titles that you have to call a game "not a true X1 title" just because of some made up technicality.

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Drekken3841d ago

Titanfall is on PC too, Craig. Settle down.

H0RSE3840d ago (Edited 3840d ago )

@Themba76

That is a stupid argument...BF4 is a PS3 and X360 game, so I guess the next-gen versions won't be any different, right?

And if your argument is claiming that Ryse started development on 360 and was simply ported over to X1, do you not think that any changes/improvements were made? Do you think they just used the 360's resources and left it at that?

andibandit3840d ago

@drekken

True i wonder why i didnt think of that too, oh yeah i just remembered now.......im not rich

Drekken3839d ago

andibandit, I am not rich by any means but I am a gamer. I have a HD TV, Console, and a gaming PC. The PC was built for like $600. You don't need to be rich.

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jackanderson19853841d ago

except you know different games are coming to xbox one that aren't on the 360

amiga-man3841d ago (Edited 3841d ago )

Such an obvious distance in power between the two consoles you really would have to be some kind of Halo nut to purchase the lesser more expensive one.

Panello didn't know the resolution he said you really would have to have been some sucker to have believed that.

Why anyone trusts anything M$ says at this point is beyond me.

VENOMACR12273841d ago

Right because Sony loves you and doesnt care about a profit. They always tell the truth. Keep telling yourself that.

"Lesser" system? Because the specs are lower? I guess all the other stuff that it does or comes with that the PS4 doesn't makes it the lesser system.

amiga-man3841d ago (Edited 3841d ago )

WOW!!! VENOMACR1227

M$ really have got you by the balls haven't they, I feel genuinly sorry for you man

mcstorm3841d ago

But the PS4 is less because it comes with less tech. People seem to be forgetting this. The PS4 dose not come with a camera is only using Bluetooth 2.1 and dose not have a HDMI input.

The Xbox one comes with Kinect 2 which is an impressive bit of kit even if you don't want to use it or not. the one also has WiFi Direct and HDMI input.

The xbox one is also built on Windows RT with Hyper-V and xbox software with adds plus points over the PS4 too.

For me box the xbox one and PS4 are priced right for what they come with and what they offer too.

Its the same with the WiiU.

Power dose not make a console the best you can buy as its the games that sell it and this will be the reason why sales well be good or poor.

Look at the PSV for example the thing is a best but the lack of games is the reason why it is being walked all over by the 3DS. Yet the 3DS sales were not as high as people were expecting when it went on sale as it did not have the software people wanted but since then it has been unstoppable.

No one knows if the sales of the WiiU will pickup or if the PS4 or Xbox one will hit the ground running until a few years into there life.

Skynetone3841d ago

there's a reason why ps4 is using Bluetooth 2.1 because its 90% faster then Bluetooth 4.0 when it comes to input from the controller

Trekster_Gamer3840d ago

well there are the games they have showed that look as good if not better than the ps4. You are a pathetic troll that really needs to
STFU...

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VENOMACR12273841d ago

Pretty stupid quote because a comparison between the 360 and X1 is like comparing a 2000 Camaro to a 2013 Camaro. Sure they share the same name, but the specs are totally different. It's really not that big of a deal. Look at the BF4 comparisons, not that huge of a difference. As developers get more time for games they will improve, just like they do on every system. The games look amazing either way, so to me it doesnt really matter 1080 or 720.

-wub-3840d ago

Of course it doesn't matter to you, you're obviously a fanboy.

andibandit3840d ago

As basic human beings we want whats best. You may have a hard time spotting the difference but you know which one is more powerful.

VENOMACR12273840d ago

@wub

And obviously your a moron. What did I say that was a "fanboy"? Doubt you even know what that is.

@andi

For sure, I know the PS4 is more powerful. Just like the PS3 is more powerful then 360 but if you compare BF4 on PS3 and 360, not a drastic difference.

vigilante_man3841d ago

Of course it matters!

For the past 7 or so years it has mattered to 360 owners that multi-platform games looked very slightly better than on PS3. It mattered to PS3 owners that exclusives wiped the floor with 360 games in terms of graphics (in their opinion).

It mattered to developers that the 360 was easier to develop for (not better, just easier). It mattered to the pro-360 gaming sites (IGN, Eurogamer, to name but 2) that would use any statistic to try and justify better reviews for 360 games.

Now PS4 is much stronger in a very noticeable way and now Sony have proved themselves these past few years with very strong studio games, it all of a sudden does not matter!

It does matter. It always has, and it always will. It matters!

Biggest3841d ago

And that is the ballgame! Well said, vigilante_man.

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Ko_Uraki3841d ago

It matters only in relation to the price. Of course at MS they have to work hard to explain the value of the xboxone. In few words: more hardcore exclusives, more marketing, more games, perfect online...and more applications for kinect. If they don't do it, they have to cut the price as soon as possible.

pompombrum3841d ago

It's more than the price though. For them to consider themselves a next gen console yet still doing 720p is laughable. The price is the icing on the cake imho.

Manic20143841d ago

It's not like they cannot go past 720p, other games such as Forza 5, 2K14, Live 14 etc can do 1080p natively and Ryse doing 900p, but its more likely for the dev's to get familiar with the system and push 1080p by end of next year. The truth is that the PS4 is easier to programme than the X1 hence the difference in resolution.

pompombrum3841d ago

^^^ I do hope you're right. Imho, there should be no excuses for any "next gen" game not to run in 1080p.

H0RSE3840d ago (Edited 3840d ago )

1080p is not some holy grail, official accomplishment that games must meet in order to be considered "next-gen." It is nothing more than an arbitrary technicality cooked up by the community, largely due to moving goalpost mentalities and over-expectations. Games that run at 1080p can actually be "less-gen" than games that do not, based on other arguably more important parameters.

Anyone suggesting that any game that gets released on a $400-500 device, cannot be considered "next-gen" if it is anything less than 1080p, or even more demanding, 1080/60fps, is naive and out of touch with reality, especially considering all the other (arguably) more important factors that can contribute to a game being "next-gen," which is a little more than a buzzword itself, with no definitive meaning.

And for the millionth time - the increased price of the X1 has to due with the inclusion of the Kinect and the HDMI-in port, and nothing to do with a claim that it has more powerful hardware. The increased price has nothing to do with increased graphics/processing power. It's like paying more for a PS4 bundle vs a standard PS4.

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ruefrak3841d ago

It's too funny.
Xbox Fan: "It doesn't do 1080p? Pre-ordered cancelled. I'm getting a PS4!"
PS4 Fan: "It doesn't play MP3s? Pre-ordered cancelled. I'm getting an Xbox One!"

pyramidshead3841d ago

Stuff like that for the PS4 can be updated through firmware though but you can't upgrade hardware like that :x. It is very very odd that they didn't include such basic media capabilities though o.O. I'm glad I had no intention of selling my PS3. Will just use that to play movies off of

ruefrak3841d ago

Agreed. I was keeping my PS3 anyway since I have tons of games still needing to be played. And the more I thought about it, the more I realized I never (NEVER) use my PS3 to play MP3s. I have a stereo for listening to music. And the DLNA thing was always so slow or unreliable for me that I started just putting everything on an SD card and copying it over that way.
So while this news originally had me pissed off, the more I thought about it, the less I cared. But I still want an answer on what kind of video files the PS4 can play. That does effect me.

Biggest3841d ago

I haven't used my console to play music since the original Playstation.

Did Sony say that the PS4 can't play movies? Your comment is confusing, pyramidshead.

". . . selling my PS3. Will just use that to play movies off of"

ziggurcat3840d ago

well, it seems yoshida is listening to people:

https://twitter.com/yosp/st...

KUV19773841d ago

I think they want to push their music-streaming and video-services. Offering ingame-music but forcing you to get music unlimited is just not cool. I'm glad I am not using the ingame-music feature anyway, but missing DLNA really hurts.

avengers19783841d ago

I haven't heard of anyone canceling PS4 preorders because of the MP3 thing though

ruefrak3841d ago

Go read the comments for the FAQ on the PlayStation Blog (US or EU, both are pissed off). It's filled with tons of people all saying they're cancelling or have already cancelled.

T23840d ago

@ruefrak - people just say that because Sony will change policy ... noone cancelled sht .

andibandit3840d ago

I find the dlna thing more important

Drekken3841d ago

Anyone crying about functionality missing at launch for the PS4 is blowing it way out of proportion. People need a history lesson about the PS3's firmware and all of the killer features we received over the years. Sony met everyone's requests with features as long as the hardware allowed it.

We will have streaming and MP3 soon enough. Shu has already been talking about it with the devs.

T23840d ago

This . I still applaud people complain though , they should let their voice be heard ... Sony has always exceeded expectations for media I remember when I downloaded one update and itwas like "ps3 now upconverts dvd to hd " .... I was like wha?! Awesome!

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Microsoft Survey Asks About Handheld

A new survey from Microsoft has further hinted at the possibility of an Xbox handheld being in development.

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EasilyTheBest6d ago

This is definitely happening, I just hope they have 2 versions one with a much bigger screen.

GamerRN6d ago

I'll be happy with this, and a PC console hybrid that rivals anything we have power wise

Number1TailzFan6d ago

The problem with bigger devices is playing them on your side in bed, Vita and before that was fine. Since the Switch you gotta have a gooseneck holder & controllers detached so you can lie down holding them, or your arm will quickly get tired.

1Victor5d ago

@thesofware: “A much bigger screen than what?”
A gaming laptop 🤷🏿🤣

Kosic5d ago

Than the screen originally planned...duh... :D

darthv725d ago

it kinda already did... https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...

They are just gauging interest in one of their own.

crazyCoconuts5d ago

A Xbox version of Logitech G-Cloud?
I mean, why bother? Not like the G cloud is flying off shelves and what would Xbox add to make it better?
They're surely not going to create bespoke architecture here and there are already a few Windows handhelds out there. I have little confidence in their ability to put together an attractive UI in the way Steam did. So I doubt anything will come from this.

KicksnSnares6d ago

Day One buy for me if they'll make a dedicated handheld device.

darthv726d ago

i have that logitech g-cloud. Its a sweet little piece of kit. I like that it can also install games from the play store unlike the other android based handheld.

mudakoshaka6d ago

It sure is! Don't understand why you get the down-votes. Whoever does not like the G Cloud must have been dropped down a well, head first, when they were of a younger age.

PassNextquestion6d ago

I wonder if Microsoft will perform better in Japan if they do actually make a handheld since everyone says handheld and mobile are king over there.

TiredGamer6d ago

This looks like the future of the game industry... all three platforms with a handheld option.

I wonder if the Playstation Portal is a technology test-bed/prototype for a future Playstation handheld?

rlow16d ago (Edited 6d ago )

It’s a possibility but I can’t help but think would that be the best way to go about it? Though it would give you data on how much it is used and game type. It’s still not a true portable device and so people approach it differently. I think that data on phones, tablets, and of course the competition would give a better indication.

But I really think if Sony is considering a new PSP that could play ps5 games, now would be the time to dive in. Honestly, if they do this, it would be huge.

Traecy6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Doubt if Sony PS wants to support a new handheld with first party games. Something they lacked with the Vita. What they should do is have a handheld that is like the PS Portal which can play all games but play those games on the go as well as at home. Something like that is a better investment.

TiredGamer6d ago

Agreed that you will probably never see a separate line of games specifically for the handheld (a la PSP or PSVita). The modern economics and expectations of game development make that cost prohibitive. What makes more sense is if the full-fat game on PS5 or PS6 has a special "handheld" profile that is automatically optimized for the lower spec handheld. There would be some significant compromises compared to the bigger console variant, but it would be the same game overall and would only require a single purchase.... somewhat what the Switch does with a lower resolution when playing handheld versus docked.

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Xbox Games Showcase Followed by [REDACTED] Direct Airs June 9

- Xbox Wire - Mark your calendars! The Xbox Games Showcase followed by [REDACTED] Direct airs June 9. More info inside.

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bionicstar6d ago

Will they show Fable 4, Stalker 2, GoW 6 & Perfect Dark?

PhillyDonJawn6d ago

Crossing fingers for Fable and perfect dark. And State of Decay 3

RaidenBlack6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

And maybe Clockwork Revolution, South of Midnight, Contraband, Project 007 & OD? lol
and whatever happened to Everwild ?
+ that rumored Wu Tang RPG

Sonic18816d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Will they have official release dates and gameplay?

anast6d ago

Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming.

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Lightning776d ago

It's an Xbox showcase that they have every year.

Make smarter comments for once.

anast6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Tell me what a smarter comment is.

If they don't sell game pass the entire time, then I will be wrong. All of this can be proven once the show gets underway. Let's wait and see.

InUrFoxHole5d ago

@Anast
Anything you didn't type. Good day sir!

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Lightning776d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Wow too easy.

You went from MS going all streaming to selling gamepass content in which we all know they are.

Which one is it?

Pretty clear you don't know what a smart comment is at least you admit you don't know.

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anast6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

"Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming."

It's both. I would worry about your own intelligence at this point. It seems that there is not enough to go around for you to worry about how smart other people are.

Lightning776d ago

It's just a regular event announcing games. Nice one captain obvious they're gonna mention gp stuff like they do every year what else is new.

The all streaming part is just you, being you I guess. They have streaming options but going all streaming again is just you pulling stuff outta thin air.

anast6d ago

You don't know what a smart comment is or isn't. You're welcome for the help.

Lightning776d ago

No you said something dumb then you tried to back track and mention GP.

Again make smart comments for once.

anast5d ago

And we have broken record syndrome.

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darthv726d ago

Wonder if they will address the handheld rumors....?

jimb0j0nes6d ago

For a brief moment I thought we might get a whole Direct for Gears 6 - seems like it's COD though!

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7211d ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle10d ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188110d ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio10d ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning7710d ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga10d ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv7210d ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer199210d ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff218310d ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga10d ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan10d ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit10d ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus2310d ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv7210d ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier10d ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

itsmebryan9d ago

@chevalier

It looks like made a great purchase. Much better then Sony buying Bungie. 😉
Cheers

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purple10111d ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos11d ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-10d ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac11d ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10111d ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic10d ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead10d ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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