Godchild10203845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

That's just for one console. How about for those of us that have 2 consoles in the same house?

Edit: You can use up to 2 systems concurrently: the system activated as your "primary" PS4™ system, and one other system.

mandf3845d ago

It says and I quote " one primary system and on concurent system." Same as this gen

Godchild10203845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

I got that when I clicked the second tab. The one that says "Playing on other PS4 systems when you are not home."

AliTheSnake13845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

"Games you purchase can be downloaded and played on any PS4™ system if you sign in to PSN℠. There is no limit on the number of systems you can use. * Only YOU can start games that you download."

GODDAMN IT. No more Sharing :(

mandf3845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

It says and I quote " one primary system and on concurrent system." Same as this gen edit i was typing then you editted lol double post sorry that kind of night

KUV19773845d ago

It's actually not the same as this gen. On the second console only the owner of the digital content will be able to launch it. Other accounts can not start those games. However, on PS4 up to 4 accounts can be logged in simultaneously. Maybe this would be a work-around.

Game-Sharing in the way it was abused seems to be over. For households with multiple PS4s this may be inconvenient.

mandf3845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

I do believe you are wrong. although maybe you are right edit your are wrong it is 2 system activations and the primary user does not have to sign in. It's all there in the faq

KUV19773845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

"Games you purchase can be downloaded and played on any PS4™ system if you sign in to PSN℠. There is no limit on the number of systems you can use. * Only you can start games that you download."

The last sentence does not sound like another account can start a game like it is now on PS3. The owner does not have to be logged in on the primary console, but on other consoles only he can start a game he owns. So you can play the game on two systems, even at the same time, but on the console of a friend, the friend account can not start the game and earn trophies in it, unless the 4 concurrend signins can be used in a way that the owner-account is logged in and starts the game but another account can then go on and play it, which I don't believe.

The game-sharing was not an intended feature. It was meant so that you could play games when on another console. It was however abused in a way that a game was bought once and then 'owned' by first 5, later 2 people. This is not in the interest of publishers. I believe the new system tries to fix this.

yewles13845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

@mandf

Incorrect, not what it says at all.

"You can use up to 2 systems 'CONCURRENTLY':"

"Only 'YOU' can start games that you download."

The original account needs to be activated and the game started by said original in order for others to play.

Mr_Writer853845d ago

@Yewles

You are muddling up the two statements.

The whole 'only YOU' thing is about playing the games on say a 3rd or 4th PS4.

The second is saying you have two PS4's that are a 'primary' console which says in the section before that it says you can play the game on any profile on the PS4.

KUV19773845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

Now I get you. You suppose one can have multiple systems designated as being 'primary'. That would certainly fix the home-situation but I believe you can only have one primary console. It says 'your primary console' not 'your primary consoleS'. This way the app knows where to download your purchases to and the VITA knows to which console to connect. Shuhei Yoshida already confirmed that there is no pairing necessary between VITA and PS4. This would be much more difficult if you had multiple primary consoles. However I would not complain if that was the case. Let's wait and see. Maybe someone could ask Yoshida-San via twitter if multiple primary consoles are possible.

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rambi803845d ago

for once the fine print makes me happy. Totally missed it.

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evilbart3845d ago

Well that's great to hear my brother lives in Canada and we buy digital and share so glad this feature works with ps4

KUV19773845d ago

Not necessarily: "Games you purchase can be downloaded and played on any PS4™ system if you sign in to PSN℠. There is no limit on the number of systems you can use. * Only you can start games that you download." Unless you also share an account, or simultaneous login will be sufficient (which it very well may be).

thehitman3845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

Think that how it is already on ps3. Not really sure since the last time I actually tested it since they might have changed the policies but I use to share content w/ my friend who lived across the street from me all we had to do was keep his PSN account on my PS3 and vice versa for giving him stuff. I could dl anything he purchased and use it on my account like it was mine.

Probably only online games will be affected since you need to login w/ the psn account to play online but I think that even has changed w/ Sony adding multiple psn accounts for co-op playing online.

KUV19773845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

Exactly, right now you just need to have his account on your console. The text, hoiwever, explicitly states, that only the owner of the content will be able to launch it. Maybe with the ability to aign 4 accounts in at a time, the owner-account can start it and the other account can earn trophies, but to me it sounds more like other accounts can not really do anything with the game, without the original owner being the active acount.

In regard to other systems:
"Games you purchase can be downloaded and played on any PS4™ system if you sign in to PSN℠. There is no limit on the number of systems you can use. * Only you can start games that you download."

stuna13845d ago

What I think the difference will be applied will be those with PS+, meaning that will be the determining factor as far as how restrictive digitally downloaded content can be shared. From my understanding I don't think PS+ can be shared over more than two consoles simultaneously, but digital content bought outside of PS+ can be shared unlimitedly if you own the game, and could probably be played on any PS4.

Note that this is just my assumption, and should in noway be taken as me stating a fact.

nevin13845d ago

lol, this stuff is crazy.

GentlemenRUs3845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

Though can you use 2 Vita systems on one PS4 for remote share?

I was thinking on letting my younger brother link his Vita up to my PS4 so he can play the games from his Vita.

Darrius Cole3845d ago

What do you do if somebody steals you primary system?

SaffronCurse3845d ago

You can deactivate that system on Sony's account management website or you can call CS and ask them to deactivate it.

HugoDrax3845d ago

Yeap that's exactly what I did for my backwards compatible metal gear PS3 that was stolen from me...bastards!! Oh well they can keep it because in 3 weeks 11/15 I'll be upgrading lol

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Let's Be Real, There Is Nothing "Micro" About Microtransactions Anymore

Microtransactions have gotten ridiculously overpriced in recent years, with titles now offering cosmetic skins worth more than some games.

Terry_B20h ago

Yup..this is 100% the sad truth

isarai12h ago

I mean except for the amount of content you're paying for.

Hugodastrevas1h ago

There never was, the only time I paid for a microtransaction was on Blacklight Retribution (PS4) and it was because I enjoyed the game a lot so I felt the devs should get something for all that entertainment (€5 "membership")

-Foxtrot21m ago

The devs wouldn’t get that though, that shit goes straight to the higher ups who do f*** all let’s be honest.

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No Man's Sky Is Easily One Of Gaming's Greatest Comeback Stories

Despite No Man Sky's rocky launch, Hello Games managed to turn it into one of the best space exploration RPGs out there.

darksky1h ago

HG could have stopped after making 3-4 updates and the debt would have been paid to those why are crying about paying full price. However, they have continously provided free updates for the last 6-7 years. No other developer in hostory has ever done this and probably never will.
There are many AAA games that disappointed but the devs normally move on or close the studio rather than fix the game.

-Foxtrot19h ago

I hate the whole concept of "comeback story" because at the end of the day it doesn't remove the core issue we had in the first place, that we were lied to, it was disappointing and it launched with bare content to what was promised for years.

Any bad game can have a comeback story if it's supported enough after launch but for me if you launch in a terrible state then you had your chance. I can applaud you for what you've done after but at the end of the day there's not much of a choice since most gamers would blank your next product if you ditched your last game so fast, it's not about repairing the game but spending your time repairing gamers trust before you launch your next product otherwise it would be dead on arrival.

With these stories and the games being updated, the only way is up most of the time so of course it's going to improve the game and feel better over all, getting better and better as time passes. No Mans Sky, Sea of Thieves, Fallout 76 etc but then you have games like Anthem, Suicide Squad, Redfall and The Avengers where the devs just clearly moved on, now if they have another product people won't be as exited for it, I mean hell Guardians of the Galaxy was a great game but because of the Avengers it didn't help its sales since people were obviously still sour at that point.

I still think despite the improvements to games like No Mans Sky and Cyberpunk along with being better now overall the games are still not up there to what was promised and hyped as for years.

If we keep celebrating these “comeback stories” then unfortunately it only strongly supports the concept that these studios / publishers can continue to push half arsed broken products out for the sake of quick sales instead of waiting until they are fully finished. We need to condemn this awful behaviour or sadly we lose all voice and power as consumers.

Sonic188118h ago(Edited 18h ago)

I feel the same way about Cyberpunk 2077. I'm glad you mentioned that. I'm not a fan of comeback stories as well. But No man sky developer was a small indie team compared to CDPR. It's worse when it's coming from a AAA developer

Nacho_Z18h ago

"Any bad game can have a comeback story if it's supported enough after launch"

You make it sound so simple and easy. It's not. After release Hello Games poured countless hours into getting their game closer to what they originally wanted, without charging a penny to anyone. That's not normal.

The reason NMS and HG are held in such high esteem and calling them liars is a weak stance is the amount of work they've put into it, for free. They're not chasing a quick buck, they've dedicated their lives over the last few years to giving their fans the game everyone wanted.

-Foxtrot17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

They are liars though...

We are not revising history here, I'm sorry but we're not

They built this game up for years and they launched it knowing full well it wasn't up to scratch to what they originally showed off or hyped it up to be.

"They're not chasing a quick buck, they've dedicated their lives over the last few years to giving their fans the game everyone wanted"

And like I said above most of that comes from the fact that if they had just moved on straight away nobody would have supported their next game. They've washed most of that sour taste away after supporting No Mans Sky so now they are doing a new game which more people feel like they can support and get excited for.

Anyway how can you say "You make it sound so simple and easy. It's not" and then make the point that "Hello Games poured countless hours into getting their game closer to what they originally wanted, without charging a penny to anyone"

This means that if a small team like this can turn a game around then big AAA games like Suicide Squad, Redfall, Anthem and the like should have been able to do it no problem, oh but that's right they didn't want to put the time or effort into it. They can do it but some people just decide not to.

Blad3runner005h ago(Edited 5h ago)

"You make it sound so simple and easy. It's not. After release Hello Games poured countless hours into getting their game closer to what they originally wanted, without charging a penny to anyone. That's not normal."

People paid for the game at launch and got lied to. Now the game is what it SHOULD have been from the start (what people paid for) and we should be happy they aren't charging EXTRA? Its free because people ALREADY paid for the game at launch.

People PAID for what the game is in its current state (what it should have been at launch), not what it was when it released. Charging people AGAIN would result in even more backlash.

anast5h ago

"You make it sound so simple and easy. It's not. After release Hello Games poured countless hours into getting their game closer to what they originally wanted, without charging a penny to anyone. That's not normal."

They already charged for the full price game. All of that work is owed because it was already paid for.

milohighclub7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

Whatever happened at launch is in the past. By your logic they could have supported it for a year got it to the project they promised then stopped but they didn't. They're still supporting it to this they, they've released more content post than pretty much any game I can think off. More than most MMOs. They didn't have to go this far but they have and don't have any plans of stopping. All for free too.
Yeah they had a shit launch and they've apologised, learned and more than made up for it. I was pissed off at them at launch, but not petty enough to keep slandering them 7 years later.
You have much bigger studios releasing half assed games and fixing it later or even worse not even bothering.

anast4h ago

The DLC costs money. But yeah, people are hanging on to this one longer because of their previous reputation.

TheCaptainKuchiki7h ago

And it doesn't change the fact that the game is a boring procedurally generated environment in which your repeat the same actions over and over again with no real purpose. I hate when they say that the game became good.

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thorstein19h ago

I really enjoyed it at launch and had every trophy by August 2016.

The experience I had is no longer in the game: It was just me and my ship. It was a survival game and the feeling of loneliness in the universe was pervasive. There was no way to ruin too far from your ship and, in an emergency, you grenaded a hole in the ground to survive.

I miss that aspect, but since then, I love what they've done.

Hugodastrevas17h ago

I'd say it's THE definitive comeback story

TheGamingHounds16h ago

Final Fantasy 14 takes that one imho

CrimsonWing695h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Yep and the way they actually did it where Bahamut destroyed the original FF14 and the realm was “reborn” seals it as the best way to do something like this, lol.

jwillj2k417h ago

Oh great another story about the cleanest shirt in a bin of dirty laundry.

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