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Pach-Attack - Why is Sony Letting Xbox Use Blu-Ray?

Michael Pachter explains why Sony is helping its enemy.

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pedrof933865d ago

Well sony is making money out of Xbox One.

My_Outer_Heaven3865d ago

Not much though... Sony were smart to back Blu-ray when they made PS3... they hit the nail on the head just like they did with DVD on PS2.

Software_Lover3865d ago

If HD-DVD was in the ps3 that would've won. The ps3 was the catalyst for the format war.

Eonjay3865d ago

Two things:
1. It allows them to make money.
2. It allows them to establish Blu Ray as the Standard.

DOMination-3865d ago

Sony are not in charge of bluray

miyamoto3865d ago (Edited 3865d ago )

I remember the days when Xbox fans really "HATED!" Blu-ray & and said mega tons of negative crap about it all over the internet .

And now they are eating them by the truck loads.
How does it taste?

Hah hah hah! LoL!

@My Outer

Sony did not just back Blu-Ray...Sony lead in creating it with Philips while the other founding members funded the project.

Sony does hold key patents on blu-ray.

Now who backed them up?
The current 18 board members (as of June 2013) are:[4]
Dolby Laboratories Inc.
DTS Inc.
Hitachi, Ltd.
Intel Corporation
LG Electronics
Mitsubishi Electric
Oracle Corporation
Panasonic Corporation
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
TDK Corporation
Technicolor
20th Century Fox
Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group
Warner Bros. Entertainment

The contributors as of June 2009 are:[4]
Acer Inc.
Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)
Almedio Inc.
Alticast
ArcSoft
AudioDev AB
BluFocus Inc.
Broadcom Corporation
Canon Inc.
CESI Technology Co. Ltd.
China Hualu group Co., Ltd.
CMC Magnetics Corporation
Corel Corporation
Cryptography Research Inc.
CyberLink
DCA Inc.
Deluxe Digital Studios, Inc.
Dolby Laboratories Inc.
Dreamer Co., Ltd.
DTS, Inc.
Eclipse Data Technologies
Fraunhofer IIS
Fujifilm
Fujitsu Ltd.
Funai Electric Co., Ltd.
Gibson Guitar Corporation
Industrial Technology Research Institute
Lionsgate Entertainment
Lite-On IT Corporation
Macrovision Corp.
Marvell International Ltd.
MediaTek Inc
Meridian Audio, Ltd.
Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co.Ltd.
Monster Cable Products
Moser Baer India Limited
NEC Electronics Corporation
Nero AG
nVidia Corporation
Osmosys SA
Paramount Pictures Corporation
Pulstec Industrial Co., Ltd.
RealD
Ritek
Sensio Technologies Inc.
ShibaSoku Co. Ltd.
Sigma Designs
Singulus Technologies
Sonic Solutions
ST Microelectronics
Sunext
Taiyo Yuden Co., Ltd.,
Testronic Laboratories, Inc.
Universal Studios Home Entertainment
Victor Company of Japan, Ltd. (JVC)
Visionare Corporation
Warner Music Group
Zoran Corporation

M$ will be crazy to go against these guys.

shoddy3865d ago

Bu bu but bluray is teh dooom.

digital download us teh future.

gamertk4213865d ago

HD-DVD was so much faster and the extras were always better. Funny enough, Sony's own Betamax was also a better format that lost out to an inferior competitor in the VHS.

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s8anicslayer3865d ago

@Software

If HD-DVD was actually in the 360 instead of an added on device then HD-DVD would have stood a better chance in the format war.

bligmerk3865d ago

Sony was the first to build a Blu-ray drive including that all important read head. Sony has all the basic patents for all the optics and blue spectrum lasers plus being a handful of manufacturers that can manufacture components at that level. The Blu-ray format is owned by a consortium and they all get a few per cents from each sale, Sony is one of the major receivers there also.

hazardman3865d ago

@software

If it was included on xbox 360 we still could be having a format war!

Docknoss3865d ago

Sony computers use windows

SilentNegotiator3865d ago

Sony doesn't have a big enough slice of the pie to make decisions on who gets to use Blu-ray or not.

amiga-man3864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1...

The money that is made in royalties is huge, Blu ray becoming the standard is a financial goldmine for Sony.

The Blu ray license dosn't just cover the drive, every disk sold also makes money for Sony, thats a lot of disks and a lot of money.

insomnium23864d ago

Who the hell disagrees with Software lover?

There were tonnes of news covering this back then. After PS3 hit the market the sales for BD exploded. PS3/Sony single handedly brought BD as the winner after it being beaten by HD-DVD. BD came to market a little later and it wouldn't have even taken off without PS3. This is common knowledge people so I have no idea why so many disagree with software lover.

Yes if PS3 would've had a HD-DVD drive that format would've won the format war hands down. I can't believe so many are willing to fight the windmills with this.

Magicite3864d ago

every sony console introduced new media:
PS1 - CD (I know that sega had cd console before sony, but it was more of failure)
PS2 - DVD
PS3 - BLU-RAY
PS4 - Digital (I know PS3 also has digital, but it wasnt available from the start)

SniperControl3864d ago

@gamertk

Wrong, hd-dvd's were never better, sure they were easier to produce but a single layer disc could only hold 15gb of information while a single layer BD holds 25gb.

Kryptonite42O3864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

@ Software_Lover

I was under the impression, and i heard many years ago that the porn industry was the deciding factor in the format war???

Hitman07693864d ago

@fox2 did he forget.... or did he just leave them out on purpose....

insomnium23864d ago

Yup. Porn won VHS the format war back in the day.

GameSpawn3864d ago

In regards to the question "Why would Sony let Microsoft use Blu-Ray?":
1) Microsoft has no choice. Not utilizing it at least for movies is suicide at this point as Blu-Ray has become the defacto standard for movie releases. DVD-only releases are pretty much non-existent.

2) Microsoft is free to license Blu-Ray technology, just like ANYONE else. So long as they pay the licensing, they are free to use it how they see fit.

3) Sony is not the sole owner of Blu-Ray technology. They are a major contributor yes, but many other companies have backed Blu-Ray with other technology of their own (eg. TDK's tough-coat tech) or financial resources (early investors in the BDA). The final word on who uses Blu-Ray is not up to Sony alone, but the Board of Directors of the BDA (which Sony happens to be one of the members of the Board).

4) This is a Win-Win for Sony no matter which way it goes, Blu-Ray or not in the Xbox. With Blu-Ray in the Xbox Sony gets money out of Microsoft indirectly through their share of the licensing received and with out Blu-Ray in the Xbox (which didn't happen for reasons 1-2-3) Sony would have yet another major advantage in the PS4 over the Xbox One.

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dedicatedtogamers3865d ago

To answer the question: it's because Sony and Microsoft aren't nearly as hostile toward one another in actual business dealings. The whole "console warzz" animosity is 90% show for the hardcore fanboys to drool over.

johnniejay3865d ago

Agreed they need and want the fanboy drama so they can make even more money

denawayne3865d ago

Agreed. What OS is running on every Sony laptop?

Jeedai Infidel3865d ago

Anybody remember Pepsi vs Coke in the eighties, it got pretty "heated" as well, and turned out to be a marketing scheme orchestrated by both companies. Genius really.

dennett3163864d ago

Agreed 100%. Microsoft, for example, are working with Sony so Skype can be available on the PS4....and MS are happy to do it, because they own the damn thing and stand to increase their profile.

All the tech companies work with each other in all areas of their business.

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joe903865d ago (Edited 3865d ago )

And Microsoft are making money from the Skype app on most Sony products and Windows on Laptops. maybe a deal was made who knows.

bumnut3864d ago

Free products still make money, look at Facebook

stuna13865d ago (Edited 3865d ago )

Yes it's to make money of course! But there is so much more! For example, to speed up the adoption rate, therefore making it the defacto disc media.

Bigger games; which this generation many said were being held back because of the use of regular dvds on the 360.

Edit; To those who don't know, Sony is 1 of the founding members, and because of this their percentage is higher than others! Also not everyone involved took an active role into the construction of the Blu Ray format.

Edit; Actually a couple of the companies bought into the Blu Ray association! Also Microsoft was given that option, since Microsoft owns one of the codecs that went into the production of Blu Ray. It just that Microsoft opted out of joining, because they felt Blu Ray wasn't needed.

Blaze9293865d ago

this is like asking why Microsoft lets Sony have Windows OS on their computers. Smh

badz1493865d ago

Not really the same. When was the last time you bought a MS branded pc or laptop? Likely NEVER, right? Sony don't pay Microsoft for every laptop sold. YOU who buy Sony laptop with Windows will be the one who pays the cost for the OS, not Sony.

Windows has always been a global OS used by everyone and it's kinda ironic that it's just recently that Microsoft made a hardware of their own that runs Windows which is the Surface.

Bluray is a different story altogether. MS could have gone Nintendo and use a derivative format and not exactly a Bluray but THAT would be foolish as it will disable Bluray movie playback.

DoctorJones3864d ago

If Sony sells a pc or laptop it needs an operating system badz149, regardless of whether Sony foots the bill or not MS still get paid.

Only a complete imbecile wouldn't get that point.

dennett3163864d ago

Yes badz, a global OS that Sony still have to pay MS to licence for their machines....for it to be pre-installed, Sony have to licence it. Also, the Microsoft Surface thing isn't ironic in any way.

shivvy243865d ago

Lets not forget the x1 was made to be an entertainment device to take over your living room, it would have been a stupid move not to include bluray

Fred_C_Dobbs3864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

wrong reply

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otherZinc3865d ago

Not more than M$ is making on every SONY PC that comes with Windows! That M$ owns by itself.

dennett3163864d ago

Still trying to make it a competition huh? "But MS makes MORE money off Sony, so they're still better LOLZ!!" Sad.

LAYLOW3865d ago

Just like Microsoft has been making money of off Sony Vaio and windows intergration...nothing to see here folks!

dc13864d ago

Please note that we (as consumers ) purchase the OS as part of the built in component of the computer. Every PC on the market has the same pricing model whether it's HP, IBM, Alien or Sony. Other OS are simply not as user intuitive or integrated into the social or business exchange vocabulary.

Microsoft's OS and Windows products are their bread and butter, representing the very large majority of their corporate earnings. This has been the case since the 80's.

In short, for the past 30 years, if you were an emerging PC production company, you would have no choice but to use the MS OS....unless you plan on being small market red/L dealer.

Jazz41083864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

Ms is now a part of the bluray consortum so sony will make zero from ms. Look it up. The only people who believe sony owned and made bluray are fanboys.

SniperControl3864d ago

No, Sony are one of the founding members of Blu-Ray, they hold a lot of the patents for it.

dc13864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

It's fact that sony makes around $2.25 for every blu-ray drive sold.
Reported by business new outlets over the past few years as well as Patch Attack more recently (I know I spelled his name wrong) Attack.

Look it up. It's google knowledge.
:)

Jazz41083864d ago

If anythig sony migt have to pay ms for the codecs used in it but as far A S a piece of the disc that will goto to the publishers so ms will not be giving sony much if anything.

Magicite3864d ago

Sony doesnt own Blu-Ray entirely, theres listing of companies who have rights on it. And if MS is paying royalties then everything is legal.
Im not defending MS, just stating general truth.

dennett3163864d ago

No-one's saying anything is illegal...why even bring that up?

ChrisW3864d ago

@pedrof93,

What part of "Sony doesn't solely OWN the patent are you not understanding?"

There are 14 companies including Sony and as Patch said, "Sony doesn't get money for the drives, they get money for each Blu Ray disc sold (approx 50 cents)."

Meaning MS can completely circumvent paying anything to Sony by placing the costs for the disc into the publishers' hands.

Econ 101

Abdou0233864d ago

Maybe because Microsoft is letting them use Windows on their Laptops ?

It's just business those companies aren't trying to destroy each other, they are just trying to maintain good relations and make money.

They are not Apple.

jeffgoldwin3864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

"They are not Apple."

Isnt it disgusting how many frivolous lawsuits Apple lawers pursue? Imagine the outcry if MS did that?

I mean a few years back apple sued Samsung for making a rectangular phone in shape claiming apple first came up with that idea. Ya they lost. But what a waste of time and money for most of the lawsuits.

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lnvisibleMan3865d ago

There are are nine electronic companies that own blu ray: Sony, Matsushita, Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, and Samsung.

So any company that uses blu-ray has to pay royalties to the companies listed above.

NukaCola3865d ago

Isn't Toshiba part of the bluray committee as well?

lnvisibleMan3865d ago (Edited 3865d ago )

They actually one of the dominate players for HD DVD format. I dont like using wiki as a source but you go anyway.

'During the high definition optical disc format war, Blu-ray Disc competed with the HD DVD format. Toshiba, the main company that supported HD DVD, conceded in February 2008,[6] releasing its own Blu-ray Disc player in late 2009'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

nunley333865d ago

yeah toshiba is the odd man out just like sony was during the vhs vs beta format wars. ms supported hd-dvd over bluray but toshiba suffered a more public setback from it since they were more vocal about it.

NukaCola3865d ago

Wasn't 100%. Thanks for the clarification and pile of disagrees..lol

Caleb_H3865d ago

So if someone on that list makes a blu ray player do they have to pay all those companies? Just wondering.

lnvisibleMan3865d ago (Edited 3865d ago )

Probably each company payed for research and development, could be wrong I say each are immune from paying each other.

nunley333865d ago

those 9 aren't all equal partners,sony has a bigger stake and say in matters. they were the formats biggest cheerleader and the most active in making it. the others mostly gave support by making players for it.

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Software_Lover3865d ago

What? Really?

Business is business and Sony doesn't own all the rights to Blu-Ray. Why does Microsoft let Sony make windows tablets? Because it's a f'n business thats why.

kenmid3865d ago

Why would anybody disagree on what you just said? It's 1000% true.

hduce3865d ago

This is N4G. Of course they are going to disagree. You could present facts and speak the truth all you want but their perception is their reality.

FlameHawk3865d ago

What the hell are you talking about? Sony doesn't make Window tablets. LOL do you think all tablets run windows? LOL so funny.

Software_Lover3865d ago

Sony doesn't make Windows tablets?

Vaio Duo
Vaio Multiflip
Vaio 20 say hello

And this is why this website is $h!t. Uneducated responses and blogs taken as truth.

kennyg37393865d ago

It would been really simple to just do a little google search then totally making a fool out of your self.
http://www.digitaltrends.co...

Pogmathoin3865d ago

Its hard to accept for sony fanboys.

stuna13865d ago

Software_Lover I understand what point you're trying to make, but those are Sony branded hardware appliances with Microsoft operating systems.

Pogmathoin3865d ago

You still do not get it do you? X1 is a microsoft built console using bluray... Whats the difference?

Xsilver3865d ago (Edited 3865d ago )

the difference is Sony Electronics division makes devices that target everyone so guess what if people like windows design then they will make tablets for them Samsung,LG does it too thats how that business division works its about choice you know what that is right.
Now with Blu ray it is different MS endorsed Hd dvd but are Now using Blu ray so do ya get the picture.

stuna13865d ago

If the one's replying had read my comment above you would very well know I understand!,

5eriously3865d ago

Sony are paying for that right dum dum!

Software_Lover3865d ago

............ Really? You're not gonna do a google/bing search on that before you post?

This is the ignorance that I'm talking about.

I really hope most of you are kids. I can understand some of the lack of knowledge. But for an adult....... I just can't fathom.

5eriously3865d ago (Edited 3865d ago )

So you are saying that Sony are paying nothing the use Windows on there products? What vitriol are you vomiting anti Sony fannyboi?

Like the comment this idiot made

["Software_Lover + 1h ago
If HD-DVD was in the ps3 that would've won. The ps3 was the catalyst for the format war"]

Wait, who was that again?

Pogmathoin3865d ago

Seriously... PS3 included blu ray as standard, MS did not include HDDVD.... If sony included HDDVD as standard...... Get it?

5eriously3865d ago

So tell me then why did M$ not continue and included DVDHD as their standard, they are so mighty and have so much more money than Sony? Why could the eXBox360 then not have been the catalyst Get that?

I doubt. But let us not go off topic. Crazy_Lover are a Anti Sony troll that is the main gripe. The fact remain that the BluRay had major advantages over the HDDVD and everybody knew it. Also everyone was not keen to be subjected to the de-facto M$ extortion as all eXBox360 owners can attest to .... think propriety drives etc, etc.

rainslacker3865d ago

Technically the consumer pays for it. It's the consumer that wants that product on the device they buy. Someone wants a windows tablet, they want a Sony brand, well there you are, put up the money and it's yours.

Not quite the same thing here, but overall, it's not like Sony and MS are at each others throats trying to force the other out of business by forcing them to use obsolete/unwanted tech.

MS was willing to pay for the rights to use Blu-Ray, why wouldn't Sony, or the Blu-Ray association, take the money.

The reason MS didn't really push the format war is because they don't have a huge stake in it. HD-DVD wasn't really their thing, and realistically, they probably knew they had a good chance to make money off Blu-Ray with their codecs anyways.

Nintendo didn't want to pay for the rights to use it, and I doubt it's the reason people aren't really picking up their system, so why does any of this even matter? MS is offering added value to their machine, one should be happy if they're getting it, and everyone should be happy others get to enjoy it.

Jazz41083864d ago

Ms did not believe in any of them and thats why they made a add on. They felt dvd9 was fine for this past generation and for the most part they were right.

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Goku7813865d ago

MS so forward thinking. Their the reason HD DVD is doing so well today!

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No Man's Sky Is Easily One Of Gaming's Greatest Comeback Stories

Despite No Man Sky's rocky launch, Hello Games managed to turn it into one of the best space exploration RPGs out there.

-Foxtrot4h ago

I hate the whole concept of "comeback story" because at the end of the day it doesn't remove the core issue we had in the first place, that we were lied to, it was disappointing and it launched with bare content to what was promised for years.

Any bad game can have a comeback story if it's supported enough after launch but for me if you launch in a terrible state then you had your chance. I can applaud you for what you've done after but at the end of the day there's not much of a choice since most gamers would blank your next product if you ditched your last game so fast, it's not about repairing the game but spending your time repairing gamers trust before you launch your next product otherwise it would be dead on arrival.

With these stories and the games being updated, the only way is up most of the time so of course it's going to improve the game and feel better over all, getting better and better as time passes. No Mans Sky, Sea of Thieves, Fallout 76 etc but then you have games like Anthem, Suicide Squad, Redfall and The Avengers where the devs just clearly moved on, now if they have another product people won't be as exited for it, I mean hell Guardians of the Galaxy was a great game but because of the Avengers it didn't help its sales since people were obviously still sour at that point.

I still think despite the improvements to games like No Mans Sky and Cyberpunk along with being better now overall the games are still not up there to what was promised and hyped as for years.

If we keep celebrating these “comeback stories” then unfortunately it only strongly supports the concept that these studios / publishers can continue to push half arsed broken products out for the sake of quick sales instead of waiting until they are fully finished. We need to condemn this awful behaviour or sadly we lose all voice and power as consumers.

Sonic18812h ago(Edited 2h ago)

I feel the same way about Cyberpunk 2077. I'm glad you mentioned that. I'm not a fan of comeback stories as well. But No man sky developer was a small indie team compared to CDPR. It's worse when it's coming from a AAA developer

Nacho_Z2h ago

"Any bad game can have a comeback story if it's supported enough after launch"

You make it sound so simple and easy. It's not. After release Hello Games poured countless hours into getting their game closer to what they originally wanted, without charging a penny to anyone. That's not normal.

The reason NMS and HG are held in such high esteem and calling them liars is a weak stance is the amount of work they've put into it, for free. They're not chasing a quick buck, they've dedicated their lives over the last few years to giving their fans the game everyone wanted.

-Foxtrot2h ago(Edited 1h ago)

They are liars though...

We are not revising history here, I'm sorry but we're not

They built this game up for years and they launched it knowing full well it wasn't up to scratch to what they originally showed off or hyped it up to be.

"They're not chasing a quick buck, they've dedicated their lives over the last few years to giving their fans the game everyone wanted"

And like I said above most of that comes from the fact that if they had just moved on straight away nobody would have supported their next game. They've washed most of that sour taste away after supporting No Mans Sky so now they are doing a new game which more people feel like they can support and get excited for.

Anyway how can you say "You make it sound so simple and easy. It's not" and then make the point that "Hello Games poured countless hours into getting their game closer to what they originally wanted, without charging a penny to anyone"

This means that if a small team like this can turn a game around then big AAA games like Suicide Squad, Redfall, Anthem and the like should have been able to do it no problem, oh but that's right they didn't want to put the time or effort into it. They can do it but some people just decide not to.

thorstein3h ago

I really enjoyed it at launch and had every trophy by August 2016.

The experience I had is no longer in the game: It was just me and my ship. It was a survival game and the feeling of loneliness in the universe was pervasive. There was no way to ruin too far from your ship and, in an emergency, you grenaded a hole in the ground to survive.

I miss that aspect, but since then, I love what they've done.

Hugodastrevas1h ago

I'd say it's THE definitive comeback story

TheGamingHounds25m ago

Final Fantasy 14 takes that one imho

jwillj2k41h ago

Oh great another story about the cleanest shirt in a bin of dirty laundry.

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Hollow Knight: Silksong's Follow-Up to Grubs is a Logical Progression

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