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Microsoft Made a Mistake Scheduling the Xbox One’s Release After PS4

Microsoft Made a Mistake Scheduling the Xbox One’s Release After PS4 details why Game Tangents thinks Xbox One should be scheduled for release before the PS4.

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HolyDuck4311d ago

I really don't think it matters.

I can't imagine too many people, if any cancelling their pre order because of a week difference in shipping dates.

This XB1 Vs PS4 thing is getting really boring, why can't we just be gamers and get over the fact that both consoles will sell REALLY well.

Hatsune-Miku4311d ago

Microsoft made a mistake by scheduling the xbox ones release

theBAWSE4311d ago (Edited 4311d ago )

if we honest considering all the back peddling... And I mean 180s to a degree that has never been seen before on a console Ms made a mistake with the xbone in general..

hence there non-stop damage control ever since

Godmars2904311d ago

So they should have done everything they could to get out ahead of Sony?

JokesOnYou4310d ago

No 1 week doesn't matter at all. Next?....

Kuse4310d ago

This is the problem with gamers, this simple minded immature drudgery.

UltimateMaster4310d ago

No they did not.

1 week if utterly irrelevant.

What WOULD have been a mistake would have been to release it on the same day!

Now I can already see a bunch of Youtube Fanboy fights all over the internet...

Angeljuice4310d ago

I don't think it's a big mistake not to release ahead of Sony. Both companies will want to get their systems out to the public as soon as is feasible, but they also want a smooth and successful release. There are so many factors involved with contractors, distribution, manufacturing etc that it was never going to be a case of just picking a date that sounds good.

It is obvious that both companies are working as hard as possible to get everything set for release, and they both seem to be pushing it to the wire. If Sony were physically able to, they would have launched simultaneously in all regions, if Microsoft were able to they would have launched before Sony.

There is only one territory where Sony will release ahead of Microsoft (albeit a very important one), but only by a single week, the exact same duration that the Xbox one will have the advantage in the other (disputed) territories.

Essentially both manufacturers are releasing their respective consoles simultaneously, so any advantage garnered from this will be miniscule.

mistertwoturbo4310d ago

It should be

"Microsoft made a mistake by _____(insert anything)______"

UltimateMaster4310d ago

If this is another doom and gloom of the Xbox One.
This 1 week difference may as well be the lamest excuse of them all.

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Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II4311d ago

Ryse will change the world and when the world ends we will play ryse in heaven.

xxShadow-Shockxx4310d ago

Can we please be serious, ryse looks terrible. And I have a question for everyone, what's all the hype with titanfall IMO I really don't think it looks that great is it just because its something different.

gaelic_laoch4310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

I am pretty sure God plays the PS4 in heaven and if you are naughty you get Xboned in Heck by Old Nick!

Raf1k14310d ago

Titanfall is basically CoD with mechs and jet packs. The gameplay itself doesn't look much different. It still has maps with a fairly limited size but with verticality adding some needed depth to combat.

It does look pretty fun but it does seem like it's being blown up more than it should be.

I'm going to need to play it for myself to see if it's really worth the hype it's getting.

Jdoki4310d ago

@AnthonyF123 and Raf1k1

I agree, I don't know why there's so much hype for Titanfall.

Everyone on N4G has been bashing CoD and EA for years - don't they realise the studio making this is headed up by the two guys most responsible for CoD and it's going to be published by EA!?

I'm keeping an eye on it, but no way is it a Day 1 purchase. I need to know more about it and how it plays. (Same thing with Destiny)

LiQuiZoN4310d ago

Titanfall is online only...ewww. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Kind of like duck liver mixed with honey.

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DARK WITNESS4310d ago

agree... the 360 came out almost a year ahead of the ps3, didn't stop the people who wanted one going for one and even with the head start the ps3 is still leading in sales world wide. a few days is not going to make that much of an impact.

PunisherRevenge4310d ago

@Dark.....why do you Sony fans keep saying the PS3 is leading in worldwide sales when there are no numbers from Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft to support that claim?......and don't give me no bs no name website or VG charts crap.

n4rc4309d ago

They are both at ~80m worldwide... And both losing to Nintendo.

Clive_Bixby4309d ago

If you take Japan out of the equation 360 has outsold ps3 everywhere else. They stopped selling 360 in Japan years ago because it did so poorly.

vigilante_man4309d ago (Edited 4309d ago )

@Clive_Bixby: Sorry, but The US is the only region where the 360 outsold the PS3. In Europe (UK being the exception) and the rest of the world the PS3 is way ahead in sales than the 360.

And the PS3 has outsold the 360 for at least the past 4 years. Its just a fact. The wii has outsold both but it does not mean the wii is better than 360/PS3 - it is just a fact.

Facts are facts. Outside of the US the PS3 rules by quite a bit and now has sold more worldwide than the 360. Does not mean you get a better experience, it just means it has sold more.

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gaelic_laoch4310d ago

"I can't imagine too many people, if any cancelling their pre order"

That ship has sailed! those souls that have the XbONE pre order and are stuck with an equivalent of a Ticket for the Titanic!

jackanderson19854310d ago

now this could just be me but i have a crazy reason people are pre-ordering or buying these consoles for the games that are coming at launch and the expected games down the line... basing your purchase on an old, and now redundant. reason such as 24 hour check in online or mandatory connected kinect would seems a bit ridiculous.

yes they could bring back in the 24 hour online jazz but if you're buying a next gen console for the offline only experience then you're going to miss out on some serious games like The Division, Titanfall and Destiny (deep down maybe but dunno if that is always online)... also if you did happen to buy it for offline only then you'd never have the need to connect it to the internet and they could never force an update (after the first one) on you to bring it back should they decide to do so down the line and so your console will remain offline capable.

personally for me the PS4 launch lineup doesn't interest me but infamous and the inevitable classics from ND are the reason I'm getting it. Ryse and DR3 interest me for the X1 so that's why i'm also getting that.

also final point. if you pre-order something you can always, before you pick it up, cancel that pre-order for a complete refund

gaelic_laoch4310d ago

@ jackanderson1985

I would suggest many people backed the XbONE yet may then have swayed towards the PS4. Now they would need to wait until the new year if they only pre ordered a PS4 now.

So many would rather stick to their guns and get the XbONE at launch and justify their purchase in terms of it being superior to the PS4 and not truthfully in that they did not want to feel left out at launch!

H0RSE4310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

@gaelic

Their really isn't much needed for those who are getting X1's to "justify" their purchase. They are getting X1's because they want X1's - the reasons why are irrelevant. For me, it comes down to 3 factors:

- I can't stand the DS controller
- I'm not a fan of PSN
- My friends are on xbox.

Notice no mention of hardware or price or "forced/mandatory Kinect." Why? Because they are non-issues. people like myself, would rather pay more for something they actually want, than pay less for something they don't, even if the opposition can be considered "better."

The PS4 could be running SLI gpu's with an OC'd i7, but it still uses that awful controller, an unappealing online service, and my friend's are nowhere to found on it. I also have a high-end gaming PC, so buying a console based around hardware specs (which virtually nobody does in real life) was moot since I beat both of them. As for games, exclusives do little for me, since I spend most my time playing multiplats, so neither system has that as a selling point.

There is zero justification needed, and in my case, even more so, because getting a PS4 was never even going to be an option. The only case where justification would've been need, is if I decided to get a PS4.

PunisherRevenge4310d ago

@Gaelic...lol.....you guy are funny. Who's to say the PS4 is not the equivalent of the Titanic this time around seeing neither console has been released yet? It funny how you guy spit so hate at Nintendo and Microsoft that you acctually start to believe what you say and try to pass it off as truth. It's so sad....LOL

n4rc4309d ago

Gaelic... Retarded fanboyism as usual from you huh?

Horse.. Well said.. Echoes my feeling exactly.. I don't need to justify my decisions to ranDom nobodies in a comments section.. especially when theyve shown me their opinion isn't worth paying attention to.

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JsonHenry4310d ago

I don't see it making a bit of difference. People who want the PS4 will buy the PS4. People who want the Xbox1 will buy the Xbox1.

People who want both will buy both. :)

firelogic4310d ago

You're right. It doesn't matter. It's funny reading about the launch day "race." Even with a year's head start at a much cheaper price-point, PS3/360 are neck and neck 7 years later.

It's ridiculous to think that 7 days either way would make or break the next-gen which is going to last at least 5-10 years.

Same goes for the launch lineup debate. The launch lineup doesn't matter. These consoles are going to be in the market for 10 years+.

deviouslight4310d ago

True but because of the ps4 selling one week earlier it mind get more of the mind share, and that could possibly overshadow the XB1 release date.

TheGreatGamer4310d ago

for hardcore gamers this could be a deciding factor

Retroman4310d ago

@ holyduck

tooooooooooo late now.

AngelicIceDiamond4310d ago

I can say 1 week isn't the end all MS console. If 360 and PS3 launches taught us anything.

redcar1214310d ago

you can not say that on here its a sin

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lifeisgamesok4311d ago

I don't think they have. What's a week longer wait to play the games you want

cleft54310d ago

It's not about the week longer wait, that really doesn't matter. It's about how long will it take for them to restock after the initial shipment.

Sony now has 2 weeks to restock after their initial shipment before Black Friday, whereas Microsoft has less than a week, Thanksgiving is a holiday so no shipping will happen those days, to restock before Black Friday.

You combine this with the momentum Sony has, the $100 less price tag, and now 2 weeks to restock their supplies before Black Friday and you have a potentially disastrous situation for Microsoft. Both companies initial stock is sold out so that's not really the battle.

The battle is going to come down to who can move the most units in the next three months. After that companies will decide on what will be the lead console platform for their games based off of that initial three months. Whoever wins that battle effectively wins the next-gen war.

n4rc4309d ago

Microsoft said they are holding back preorders to ensure stores have stock for walk ins..

Think I saw the same from Sony..

rajman4311d ago

It is coming out 1 week before the PS4 in EU, which comes with Free Fifa 14...which is also a huge franchise over there and so it will sell. But it will only be available in 7 European countries and so the PS4 should sell more

jackanderson19854310d ago

if you compare the sales for the regions the PS4 are launching with the 360/PS3 sales you can see that MS won't lose out much... i think the countries they did cut out from the original 21 and those that didn't make even that original list, made up a small % of the 360s overall sales.

is it a risky move yeah but say for example MS has 2 mil stock in the UK and sony only have 1mil (purely hypothetical numbers for ease of example)... people might not wait the 3 or 4 weeks it might take Sony to restock the UK especially in the lead up to christmas so MS might shift those extra million copies of their console if they weren't already sold out

cleft54310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

Thats very true, but even if that is the case because Sony is launching in so many more European countries than Microsoft it pretty much negates this week advantage. Importing stuff in European countries can be costly and the Xbox One is already expensive there so people are going to be willing to wait instead of importing a Xbox One just to have a next-gen system a little early.

I am sure their would be some wealthy people that will import the Xbox One, but odds are that they where going to do that anyways. The average person is going to just wait.

firelogic4310d ago

Europe is predominantly "pro-sony" and I think they're smart enough to realize that a going Sony means PS4+FIFA+$40 to spend on something else, vs. an XB1 with free FIFA.

sAVAge_bEaST4311d ago

Xbox mad a mistake (with) the Xbox Ones' Release. *fixed

Octo14311d ago

I think that the XBone launching a week later will make both MS and Sony's marketing into overdrive. Sony will try its all to prevent the XBone from stealing the PS4's thunder and MS will try to hard to have the spot light on their new machine and on nothing else. Get yer popcorn kids.

jairusmonillas4310d ago

Xbox One is digging on its own grave while Sony is just watching them and helping them dig deeper.

ravinash4310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

Xbox One is digging it's own grave, Sony will just help by filling it in once Xbox lies down.

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‘I think Xbox hardware is dead’, says Microsoft gaming veteran

One of the founding members of the Xbox team has questioned Microsoft’s multiplatform gaming strategy, and said they believe the Xbox hardware business is effectively “dead"

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Goodguy011d 1h ago

Think that rumor that they'll still make a new console but at a profit at $1000 will be true though. The series consoles will remain their cheap alternative throughout next gen I would say. Keep in mind that game pass and pretty much going 3rd party is their main focus. They want to bring xbox everywhere.

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GamerRN4h ago

If they don't maintain some kind of console presence, I think they will lose gamepass subscribers and just become a 3rd party publisher who eventually sells everything off

Cacabunga3h ago

Xbox games are releasing on all platforms. Who needs this hardware? PS or PC is all you need

Flewid6382h ago

I've never owned an Xbox in my life and I have GamePass.

thorstein1h ago

The only Xbox I owned was the 360. I have gamepass for my PC.

crazyCoconuts2h ago

Even if they could get it down to $800 for a box that can run with comparable performance to a PS6 (at, say $200 cheaper) the population of people willing to buy such a thing would be so limited.
It would be the worst of both worlds.

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Futureshark13h ago

A slow, painful and public death too.

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Looming Xbox layoffs threaten Microsoft's reputation

Even as the company sets out to overhaul the very definition of Xbox, cuts at its studios risk creating a negative image reminiscent of EA's worst era

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Jingsing3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I appreciate the article but this guy must be living in a delayed universe, The reputation was ruined 10+ years ago and hasn't recovered since. As such people have voted with their wallets and stopped buying Xbox products in large amounts.

YourMommySpoils1d 23h ago

Their reputation was lost way before that. From the moment Microsoft said they entering the console business, we all knew it would be a downgrade.

Bathyj1d 9h ago (Edited 1d 9h ago )

That's not true at all the OG Xbox had drive and they had hunger and they wanted to accomplish something. It was a great console.

they didn't quite reach their goals and they gave up prematurely because they couldn't win. It was halfway through the Xbox 360 when kinect released and that was when they lost their way and we're a rudderless ship ever since

Agent751d 7h ago

In all fairness, Xbox had some great games with online play, Xbox 360 even better. Xbox consoles started to die with the Xbox One. Ditch consoles for the PC and PS.

YourMommySpoils23h ago

@Bathyj hard to compute ay. Xbox was never better than a PC and that's all they ever were. A demo box. Doesn't get more true than that.

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isarai3d ago

What reputation is this threatening exactly? 😂

Lightning773d ago

Rumors of Turn 10 being either shut down or hit with massive lay offs is on the horizon.

The issue is MS will do something right only to do something very, very wrong. And they do this what seems calculative at this point. Doesn't matter what they do the Investors and leadership want more and more money an endless bottomless pit of purr insatiable greed. A company that acts like it's broke or hurting is what really, really infuriates me. They've surpassed apple again well over 3 trillion who acts like they're a million dollar company is fk stupid. Pivots and changes for no reason and can't do things for more than a year with out a pivot or changing their metrics.

Christopher2d ago

That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest.

1Victor2d ago

@christopher: “ That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest”
The key word big can be ether good or bad 🤷🏿only time can tell

DarXyde2d ago

First Forza being generated entirely via AI?

If any company would do it, it'd be them.

Nacho_Z1d 14h ago

Isn't the point that it's irrelevant how profitable MS is, the suits have decided it's time that the Xbox division started making them money. Hence the layoffs, the pivots.

hennessey861d 10h ago

That wouldn't surprise me, as motorsport has been heading down hill since the great number 4. Where as playground have consistently put out better games. I think the two studios will be merged under playground games banner.

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Microsoft planning “major” Xbox layoffs next week

The cuts are expected to be announced next week.

Microsoft is also planning thousands of job cuts that will impact other parts of it businesses

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Obscure_Observer6d ago

MFs has been beating their chests over great quarterly results and big profits to shareholders while firing people by the thousands just like Sony.

I wonder if at the top of those rumored layoffs they´ll also cancel upcoming or unannounced games while shutting down more studios as well.

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pwnmaster30006d ago

Always got to throw shade at Sony smh.
Yes we get it,
MS good Sony bad
MS bad Sony is also bad lmao

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Obscure_Observer6d ago

F* them both!

Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares.

blacktiger6d ago

He was talking about both. Why you getting offended when he's using both names

pwnmaster30006d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@Blacktiger

Im not offended , that’s just his formula lol
He can’t help help himself, he needs to bring Sony down when the topic involves MS.
Whether is good news for MS or bad, it some how leads to Sony doing bad lmao.
It’s actually hilarious.

InUrFoxHole5d ago

He's not wrong but im tracking what youre saying. In this case is should just be MS bad. Thats a lot of people fired

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Tacoboto6d ago

"just like Sony"

Gosh you're insufferable, not everything needs to be both-sides'd. Sony's had layoffs, but nothing like what Microsoft has been doing and is continuing to do.

CrimsonWing696d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I mean, no offense, but this is why you’re not some corporate business person running a major corporation. Big profits don’t mean jobs are safe. Do you understand why things like this happen:

Cutting jobs to maintain or increase profitability, especially in underperforming divisions like parts of Xbox like other gaming divisions.

Corporate restructuring and relocating resources for strategic stability in ever changing markets and consumer behaviors.

Investor expectations and optimizing operations to maintain investor confidence. Whatever boosts stock prices and improves future margins.

And there’s many other factors at play. It’s never as simple as business doing well, everyone’s safe. That’s just you not understanding at all how corporations work and have been working since the beginning. This isn’t something that’s specific to Xbox, you can bet your ass Sony and Nintendo do this and if it’s not clear by now, game development is not a stable job nor has it ever been for many. A lot of developers are contractors and guess what happens when a project is done?

Ganif6d ago

Nintendo said they have no plans for layoffs, and you can't seriously claim that the scale of Sony's layoffs most of which involved Bungie which is self managed as even close to the same scale as what Microsoft has done since they purchased Zenimax. And that significantly less layoffs would have happened if those publishers had stayed independent. Keep in mind that much of these layoffs have been due to redundancies specifically related to these buyouts.

CrimsonWing696d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@Ganif

Nintendo:

https://gamerant.com/ninten...

Sony:

https://gamerant.com/playst...

https://techxplore.com/news...

I don’t think it’s realistic to treat Sony’s layoffs as somehow outside the norm for the industry right now. Even if Bungie is self-managed, Sony’s cuts went far beyond that like Naughty Dog, Insomniac, London Studio being shut down completely, and multiple teams across the globe took hits. These weren’t just minor adjustments.

Nintendo, I had to look up and you’re right. They seem to be an outlier, but rest assured at some point it happens. And even then there’s been layoffs, albeit a smaller amount and contractors.

Would fewer layoffs have happened if studios from acquisitions stayed independent? Maybe. But even independents have been hit hard and look at what’s happened with Embracer’s fallout, or smaller devs like Digic, Roll7, or Volition. This isn’t just a “Microsoft problem” or strictly tied to acquisitions; it’s a broader correction happening across the whole industry, and unfortunately, layoffs are a big part of that process right now.

Ganif6d ago

From your article:

"According to reports, Nintendo of America restructured its testing operations, leading to layoffs of about 120 contractors, part of a strategy for global integration.

Nintendo of America, publisher of iconic franchises like Mario and Zelda, is shifting some contractors to full-time roles for better development integration."

Contractors are not employees, and even if you want to count them as that, it's 120 people vs around 7500 since Microsoft purchased Zenimax.

In an era of game industry layoffs, Nintendo is hiring more people
https://automaton-media.com...

Nintendo Announces 10 Percent Pay Raise For Devs Despite Lower Profits
https://kotaku.com/nintendo...

Nintendo CEO’s refusal to layoff staff goes viral following industry-wide cuts
"Satoru Iwata took pay cuts to ensure staff didn’t have to be let go"
https://www.nme.com/news/ga...

And as for Sony you're comparing less than 1000 total jobs to an estimated7500

Has the industry faced layoffs, yes, but that still doesn't account for the mass layoffs due to redundancies that was easily predictable, or that fact that at least 1/3 of Microsoft's layoffs and studio closures happened before the industry downturn.

thorstein6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Take the L, Crimson.

People hate Nintendo, but Ganif proved why they deserve support.

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-Foxtrot6d ago

It's like banging your head off a wall, he just can't help himself.

Microsoft can do no wrong, Sony sucks at everything and Nintendo is bigged up because it's less hassle than trying to defend Microsoft all the time

What's going to happen when Microsoft finally turn completely third party, then what?

anast6d ago

I enjoy Obscure. Obscure does good work.

crazyCoconuts6d ago

Did you know that the first n4g was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program.

Tacoboto6d ago

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if anast and osbcure were both alts for the Admin.

We know how Obscure especially drums up additional comments and clicks with his spam-worthy remarks that somehow never get moderated

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Profchaos6d ago

Thats business present a strong front to your shareholders while your company burns around you.

Keep shareholders happy at all costs andnif not happy keep them numb to the reality of you organisation

Angyobangyo5d ago

" Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares. "

Just for the record, you clearly you do if you have to vent this hard.

TheExecutioner5d ago

Basically you think like kids when it come to choose between candy or chocolate.

Sonic18815d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Are you and Anast the same person?

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