An editorial about the lack of backwards compatibility transitioning to the next generation compared to the transition for the current one.
TSA writes: While the PlayStation 5 has been the runaway winner of the generation, running laps around Xbox for the last few years, it's been a pretty bumpy ride.
I disagree... Sony may make a bad decision now and then, but to say "keep making" implies they are doing it all the time. That is MS who does that. And to be honest, Sony gives every idea a chance, no matter how good or bad the end result turns out. The "bad decisions" are more associated with the teams who come up with them than Sony who just lets them do their thing.
100% agree.
One thing I like about Sony is they at least give it a try. No matter how much some fans disagree, they always take chances.
I mean look at Concord and Astrobot.
Two completely different games.
Concord is the whole point of the article and no one wanted it and no one is playing it.
They should have researched how the fanbase would react to it.
Would the game be better as a f2p model or paid.
100 million or more spent, they could atleast have done that.
I think people forget the original Uncharted opening month only sold 50,000, but, Sony believed in the series and built it up from nothing.
They could have been complacent and said no to TLOU when Uncharted blew up too.
It’s ok to make bad decisions, the important thing is to learn from them and improve from there.. grants you more respect
Jim Ryan steered them off course with the GaaS BS, and once you start up several projects and dump hundreds of millions into them, you have to try to at least make something back off of them. Now that these games are releasing, we can start to move past them, and back to what made Sony so great to begin with.
Concord was made by a studio that Sony bought a year ago. This entire article makes no sense in that context.
Concord wasnt a chance it was a idiotic cash grab that was 5-7 years too late to the hero shooter genre...a chance would be creating a game in a genre that wasn't established
But people blasted Microsoft when they let the redfall devs “do
Their thing” lol
Big difference in waiting a decade for a new AAA ip from Microsoft for it to be redfall vs A game that got hammered non stop from the beginning from Sony.
Huge difference.
Let them do their own thing? Lol Microsoft had them rush it outdoor when clearly they needed more time and according to reports many of the devs left during development because they didn't want to make a multi-player game.
Yeah like how everyone busted Sony for the same thing.
But also Sony didn’t really hype up concord. It was already blasted to hell.
Now MS hyped up redfall fully knowing it was ass.
Also red fall was really bad at launch unlike concord.
The only thing that saved red fall from having the same fate as concord was game pass. If Sony put concord on plus it would have a way more active fan base and be alive still
For me redfall is far worse then concord.
@pwn
Sony didn't hype Concord? Open and closed beta, tons of advertising. They even spent the money to get it featured on that upcoming Amazon tv show - Secret Level. They outright bought the studio.
The hundreds of millions of dollars Sony spent around the Concord IP says otherwise.
Thenamelessone.
I rarely saw any ads for concord, compare to other games like god of war, spider etc. tons of advertising??? Literally just normal advertising for a game they own.
Open and close beta, of course they will do an open beta. It’s a multiplayer game. Has any multiplayer game not have that?? The purpose of it is to work out the kinks that people didn’t like. That is not hyping a game up. Your reaching.
They literally just released how a normal multiplayer game should be. of course they will market a game they own, it’s literally their job to do so, but they did not overhype it to be something more then it was.
Redfall had more advertising then concord and that’s fact.
Ok, Redfall and Concord are totally different problems.
Redfall was rushed by Microsoft so much that the game was completely and obviously unfinishe. You might remember they had to put a sticker on the box because it didn't have the promised 60FPS mode, as well as the game being so broken the games enemy AI didn't work as well as textures that took minutes to fully load and many other problems, the game was barely even a beta build on release.
Concord was a fully finished and highly polished game that consumers simply didn't want. The game was not bad on the technical level at all, it was 100% made to Sony's highest standards.
@pwnmaster3000
I think I only ever saw one or two ads before Concord released, and even then, I saw more from streamers talking about the game, otherwise it's like this game barely existed, or at least the marketing barely existed.
Jim Ryan has been a complete sh*t show from the very start. In fact, this whole Gen has been maybe the weakest I’ve seen since… well, ever for Sony. I thought with Jimbo out things would be brighter, but… well, we’ve got a bunch more GaaS coming our way. Let’s just hope it gets balanced out with their stellar traditional games.
Frankly, we shouldn't really care if they do GaaS. Why not?
The issue, for me, is having the very competent non-GaaS studios work on GaaS. If they want Haven to do Fairgame$, I really don't care. Bungie can make Destiny and Marathon forever. But when you try to get Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Insomniac, Guérilla, etc etc on that?
Now we have a problem.
@DarXyde
What is the point of the GaaS business model vs just making a traditional game? I guess the real question is why would you choose to develop GaaS games? I’ll give you a hint, it’s to f*cking continuously milk consumers through recurring revenue on a budget stretched thin over years.
The model is disgusting and quite frankly it’s some Frankenstein’d concept stemmed from the mobile game design model. I don’t care how fun a GaaS game is, it’s a model that is the cancer of this industry and the fact that they keep forcing it after failure after failure is revolting.
Mate, I'm not a fan of GaaS games. I also don't like online multiplayer or first person shooters.
So what do I do?
Avoid all of them. I just pretend they don't exist. And really, I don't care for the studios making them either. Never played a Treyarch, Bungie, or whatever game I couldn't just tune out.
Same deal. Allow them to exist, but don't engage. They can be super scummy pay to win models, but we've got to let the community decide. Sony has already learned the hard way that a great single player studio doesn't mean they're a great GaaS studio.
I think they're learning the lessons quickly, really. Even if they still have some GaaS in the pipeline, we see how quickly they pulled the plug on Concord. They've been letting Insomniac cook, so I tend to believe they're being cautious and not letting their golden geese make those games.
why do I get the impression that no one actually reads the articles anymore.
Read the article.
You don’t keep making bad decision when you just released one of the best games of the generation.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this. I don't want to even guess what's next. For all I know we could finally divide by zero. And the Mc Flurry machine will work at every Mc Donald's.
I don't even know what's going on anymore, it seems like dumb decisions all around despite clear warning signs, from Microsoft/Sony, from multiple developers, etc... The entire gaming landscape is just baffling at the moment.
The writer's take on PSVR -- totally true. But it's not just PSVR; for whatever reason all the VR companies just don't invest and support the platform like they should. Even the mighty Oculus Quest 2 + 3 have oddly feeble software support. I see mostly the same games and apps on the store now as I did 3 years ago. PSVR is another one of Sony's "abandonware" examples (along with Vita, PS TV, etc. etc.) that are just head scratchers. Like why even develop and release a piece of hardware if you're not going to support it? I don't know.
But the writer isn't correct about the Portal. That one has been a success I think. It works pretty well, and lots of people love it. Now notably, that one doesn't require much ongoing support from Sony -- it has one purpose and it does it fine enough -- so maybe that has helped.
VR companies are appropriately investing in and supporting the platform. VR is still niche, generally uncomfortable to wear, difficult with glasses ,still causes motion sickness, and requires a play space that a lot of people don’t have.
They've definitely fumbled hard in the live service space (buying Bungie, the utter failure of Concord, spending years on Factions 2 just to cancel it), Even Helldivers 2, which was a hit at launch, has lost most of its user-base due to weak post-launch support.
Other than that though, they've been doing well.
Spoiled and arrogant. PSVR failures should have resulted in a house cleaning. The Discord Sony team should be fire...lots of talent on the market.
Sony CFO says that the company lacks the creation of enough original IPs, but this statement spans more than just Sony's gaming division.
The thing is they do have a lot IP wise but most of them aren't be used
Legend of Dragoon? Syphon Filter? Resistance? Dark Cloud? Ape Escape? Heavenly Sword? The Getaway? LocoRoco?
You have the IPs, you just don't try to use them
How long have we been wanting Bloodborne 2 or even a remaster?
Or just buy a publisher that do have IPs
EA
Capcom
Sega
These 3 publishers has tremendous amount of ips and not just gaming ips but also for sony movies entertainment and for Esports aswell that includes Live services aswell looking at EA apex titanfall etc etc
Tbh I'm getting sick of remasters it be like gta 5 , ps3 , ps4 , ps5 , eventually ps6 and 7
No. Just no. The first parties cannot afford to buy out major publishers so stop pushing this practice. It’s BS!
Microsoft closed so many because the amount they bought was not financially sustainable.
The only benefit to the buyer is they inherit their IPs. It’s bad for gamers and it’s bad for workers. Enough with the ‘revenge buy’ nonsense
Buying whole publishers is lazy AF. Sony has some incredible IP that people love but they refuse to use them. GoW was reinvented. There's a lot of other IP that could reinvented and modernised too.
The one thing that has let Sony down this generation is staggering out PS first party games (remasters don't count like TLOU, Until Dawn). Were a bit starved of them. Let's hope this state of play fixes some of that.
How's that working out for Microsoft hasn't killed their platform and forced them to go multi plat because they had to make a return on invest at all right ?
Why would they need to buy those publishers when Sony are their lead platform in the console market? They already make games for the PlayStation, all that would happen is what we've seen with MS, a handful of already rich people getting wealthier at the cost of industry consolidation and thousands more devs being fired.
@Mrdead and others Microsoft are a bunch of fools and they don't know what there been doing since xbone all I'm saying is just one. there not just for us gamers but it would probably help them alot more within the movie space and Esports arena if there concerned about the lack of ips not just for games but movies aswell
Nintendo have successfully recycled their legacy IP since the 80s if an IP is good it will have staying power
Sony for some reason love to run with a particular mascot or game series for a generation of two then send them out to be retired.
It's also funny timing this was said right after the launch of the highest metacritic rated game of the year which happens to be their IP
I honestly don't know why they've benched all these IPs, there are lots of people who would clamour for a new entry from any of them. I already bought some of these games as Playstation Classics on the PS4, I also believe they don't need to spend AAA budgets on them, some of them can easily be done on a AA budget.
New IPs are always welcomed but, as Foxtrot pointed out, Sony has a vast library of proven IPs that they can draw from. Whoever is in charge of making these decisions needs to get their head out of their you-know-what.
Unquestionably, Sony are sitting on a lot of unused IP .but how many of those games would go on to be commercially successful? I feel like this is the reason why we don't see them being greenlit (even though nearly all of them were critical hits).
Out of all of the ones listed by users, Syphon Filter imo has the potential to be a big hit if they made it a AAA game. There's an obvious hunger still for that genre and there's a gap in the market with Ubisoft continuing to sit on/screw up their Tom Clancy games.
It just still irks me that they have something like Astrobot for YEARS now and they've really done JACK with it. They could have had a Fall Guys game with the Astrobots before Fall Guys were a thing. They have something great and they're just sitting on it like idiots, that is until the recent Astrobot game and even then... they ignored any VR compatibility...like, what are they thinking? Do the people in charge just hate money or something? That must be it if they sat there and thought Concord was going to do gangbusters. Still no Bloodborne 2, not a damn thing from Naughty Dog or Insomniac other than Spider-man. This entire generation has been a bust.
"they ignored any VR compatibility...like, what are they thinking? Do the people in charge just hate money or something?"
Bro the PSVR2 failed. It was DOA. They aren't going to waste a bunch of extra resources on making the game VR compatible.
And, sure, they could have done a Fall Guys-style game with Astro Bot. However if you just pump out trendy games like that under the Astro Bot name it'll devalue the brand. It's called milking, and it's what killed a lot of great franchises.
I agree they wouldn't waste a bunch of money on making it compatible but they should it's about respecting the fans that outlayed hundreds of dollars for a headset that they dropped within a year.
If Nintendo can respect it's fanbase enough to release multiple huge games on the Wii U with 13 million sales Sony should be able to respect it's fans who brought the psvr2 also
It wouldn't have failed if you know...they made games for it but now we know where all the money is going, crapfest GaaS games. You also can't devalue something if they never really valued it in the first place. Also, is Nintendo devaluing Mario? The ONE thing Sony has going for them and all of a sudden you're protective of it? I'm not saying they have to cram Astrobot into everything, but to also neglect it to this degree is also criminal.
PSVR 2 was never going to reach a bar critics would say is a success. Even the PS Vita didn’t achieve that and it was still a fantastic platform with excellent games. PSVR 2 shows Sony is willing to take risks to make new types of content. MS basically bowed out of VR completely and it’s kind of baffling.
i honestly dont give a fuck about their ips and which they use, just give us more games that aren't 3rd person action games and stop thinking that if you wan't to revive an IP, you need it to be the biggest blockbuster game ever with budgets in the hundreds of millions.
Sony has a blue billion IP's that have been in friggin "cryosleep" for years! I'd rather see them revisit some of those before adding new ones...
Killzone
Resistance
Socom
Syphon Filter
Dark Cloud
Bloodborne
Motorstorm
Mod Nation Racers
Wipeout
Warhawk
Legend of Dragoon
Jack And Daxter
Sly Cooper
Infamous
Twisted Metal
Patapon
Fat Princess
Puppeteer
Jumping Flash
And I'm sure there are more that I'm forgetting!
I don't expect ALL of those. I'm just pointing out that they already have a ton of existing IP to choose from that are known quantities. I'd rather see them resurrect some of those before choosing to add more to the list.
I played nearly all of this list and yet wouldn't be interested in remake or prolonged sequel! I want something new
I don't believe you at all. The law of averages alone say there's at least SOMETHING on that list you'd be interested in playing a new iteration of. I think you're just being hyperbolic to make a point.
A new Sony patent wants to bring movable grips to controllers to keep the vibration quality consistent regardless of how you hold them.
"Keep the vibration quality consistent regardless of how you hold it."
I'm on board. 👍😁
No. And you know what? Just because you asked, the newer variant will use run-of-the-mill potentiometer-based components that are not only soldered to the motherboard but also glued with epoxy so you can't remove them. /s
@s2killinit:
Hall effect sticks use a hall effect sensor (which measures magnetic field changes) and a magnet. By moving the stick, you move the magnet in front of the hall effect sensor and that sensor translates those movements into electrical signals.
Stickdrift with hall effect controllers is very very rare.
Please. I have two controllers I swap in and out. My launch controller is drifting slightly, and the newer of the 2 is drifting so badly I need to replace it. Trigger tension is messed up on my launch controller so probably should replace that one also.
If you want consistent vibration just get some sony stickers then head to a sex shop and get a vibrator that combo is cheaper than a ds5 better quality and does not uses a inbuilt battery pack.
Not sure what you're going on about. I just enjoy a controller with good consistent vibration in my hands. ;)
100% of these articles are false information until i see what's up feb 20.
I say make it optional id pay extra
The only reason Sony wouldn't offer BC is because they're still selling the PS3. It's not something I like, but I can see how it makes sense for Sony to do this, and anything that makes Sony money is good for me in the long run.
I honestly don't care about BC. If anything, I'd say don't include so I don't have to pay for something I will not use.
PS3 backwards compatibility would be great because this gen is HD unlike the last so the PS3 games will look fine on HD TVs.
However, the Cell would need to be included in the PS4 hardware which would raise the price and Sony would be grilled for a high price again.
I would like to see a premium SKU that includes hardware BC for $499 and a standard PS4 w/no BC for $349 - $399.
I don't want to have to stream my games when I have a hard copy sitting on my shelf. BC is only great during the first year anyway for the most part. Once I taste PS4 greatness - PS3 will seem old and clunky.