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Industry analysts divided on PS3's chances of trumping Xbox 360

Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter reckons the only way Sony will gain the upper hand on Microsoft in the on-going hardware race is to make significant cuts to the price of PlayStation 3 – something that he doesn’t see happening anytime soon.

cakeisalie4774d ago

Lol does it really matter which console trumps which console both already have a good base and will be supported.

news4geeks4774d ago (Edited 4774d ago )

it doesn't matter now but it's fun to speculate... unless the speculation doesn't favour ones prefered console...

I reckon ps3 will overtake 360 numbers early 2012 even without a price drop.

malamdra4774d ago (Edited 4774d ago )

the PS3 will still be selling long after the 360 is replaced and taken out of the market, just like it happens now with the PS2 and the first Xbox, price cut or not, next year or not, it will happen

Kinect didn't stop the PS3 from outselling the 360 during 2010 holiday season

Ps3 has always outsold the 360 and that's not going not change because of Kinect or US only sales numbers

MaxXAttaxX4774d ago

Despite 360's 8 mil head start.

guigsy4774d ago

It's pretty irrelevant at this point. Although the PS3 is technically in third place, it has still been massively successful for Sony and the third parties. It's not like last generation when the PS2 was a runaway success and the Xbox and Gamecube were resounding failures, all three consoles have enjoyed success this time round.

NotSoSilentBob4774d ago

Not gonna lie but a 33% failure rate isn't a success. MS had to spend more on the repairs then they did developing the 360. That is a failure.

airhorn954774d ago (Edited 4774d ago )

Normally game system manufactures lose money on the console. For instance the Play Station was selling at a substantial loss (I believe it costed them 850 to manufacture and they were selling them for 599) this would mean that Sony was actually losing more money then it costed Microsoft to fix 33% of its units. However, Microsoft also sold at a loss intentionally to undercut and steal some of Sony's market share. I believe Micrsoft's loss was roughly 100 dollars per unit. And by the time PS3 was released Xbox components were so cheap that they were actually making roughly 75 bucks. Sorry if the numbers aren't perfect I learned this in my business class. So I'm going to have to disagree with you NotSoSilentBob on the 360 being a failure especially bc of how much money MS brought and continues to bring in just by Xbox Live alone.

Whether you love or hate or hate to love Microsoft you have to give them credit on how they ran their business model for the 360.

MaxXAttaxX4774d ago

What, do you also think that the first car out in Rally is always the winner?

PS3 may have released last, but it's quickly cutting 360's numbers by selling faster.

fatalred alarm4774d ago

It probably will take it over sometime soon, but i guess microsoft already did a good job at taking a big piece of the console market this generation.

But please, give us better hardware next time...

LoveNintendoWii4774d ago

And WHERE is the Wii in this! Wii all know that the Wii has a fighting chance against those so called superior consoles!

If we all join forces, we can VANQUISH the influence! WII UNITE!!!!!

WII NUMBER ONE! WII NUMBER ONE!

chidori6664774d ago

If you are dumb enough to blindly believe what Pachter said you deserve to have that guy take a dump in your head.

kikizoo4774d ago

You are right, but before even when he was wrong, it was difficult to see the bias, since more than 1 year, he's clearly working for his country industry...and ms.

MEGANE4774d ago

This site should be rename....S4G... sales for gamers!

Anon19744774d ago

Why do they never specify which region they're discussing in the title? It's no secret that the PS3 has long been ahead of the 360's worldwide and now they can boast more active units worldwide then their competitor - and even in overall sales the PS3 looks to make up the last couple of million that separate the consoles this year. Yet look at the top news. "5 reasons the PS3 won't overtake the 360 in 2011" "Is there any chance of the PS3 overtaking the 360 in the US" and now this.

At least according to this article there's some analysts out there that are still stuck in 2007.

MostJadedGamer4774d ago

The PS3 does NOT need to be priced lower then the 360, but what it does need is to be $199 this year.

Once the PS3 hits $199 it will have a massive, long, and substained sales increase, and will eventually pass the 360, but the PS3 really needs to drop to $199 this year.

It has almost always been the case that consoles have their highest sales at the $199 price point. $199 is the real magic number.

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Hands Up For Games4774d ago

Aaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhh!!!!!! ;)

Darth Stewie4774d ago

Don't worry Pachter is just April Fooling everybody. No wait he is just speaking a load of BS as usual.

Counter Strike4774d ago

Thats pretty damn good and the SW sales of 360 are amazing.

Ps3 has amazing SW sales aswell and its doing great people just think its doing bad because Ps2 was a major beast but people need to think that market is more competitive this days.

Overall : Ps360 are kicking asses.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 7h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle18h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188115h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio15h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning7710h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga17h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv723h ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

shinoff218316h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga15h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan11h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit4h ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus2310h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv7210h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

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purple10120h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos19h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-9h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac19h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10118h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic16h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead9h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 20h ago (Edited 1d 20h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 16h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos1d 1h ago (Edited 1d 1h ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken1d 3h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 12h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d 12h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d 12h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola1d 8h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6691d 11h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle1d 11h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere2d ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN2d ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 22h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 15h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 17h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 13h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger2d ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 11h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 10h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

blacktiger7h ago

You own nothing snd be happy. I'm sure you heard that

Profchaos2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto2d ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos2d ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 23h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator2d ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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