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Talk of PS3 lawsuits rubbish

Last week, owners of older PS3 model found that the latest update removed a feature most had never used, the Install OtherOS feature. This action by Sony was a direct result of the hacking attempts by hacker George Hotz who had previously gained notoriety for creating exploits for the Iphone shortly after launch. Since the update was announced some PS3 owners have threatened litigation against Sony for the removal of this feature. I suggest that any lawsuits going forward should address the cause of the problem, the ego of Mr. Hotz himself.

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Nitrowolf25135d ago (Edited 5135d ago )

yup this is true, sueing sony for removal of other OS is pointless, like the article stated you agreed to the service and that no one forced you to update other then yourself. To be able to use the online service you must agree to Sony terms.
Really if any one to blame its George.

Anon19745135d ago (Edited 5135d ago )

"I...I didn't realize there would be consequences! I mean, you have to open up your PS3 and make an adjustment for it to even work."

Is Geohotz really that stupid that he doesn't think pirates could possibly open up their PS3's and solder a connection? You did it. And you really didn't think that Sony would react to that breach? If you weren't interested in pirating, then why do it? Ohhhhh....because you're an ego-manic.

Then he goes on about how hacking isn't about stealing but about getting your money's worth. Well aren't you the PS3's answer to Robin Hood. News flash, we were already getting our money's worth until you started messing with the system.

But I guess once you get interviewed by CNN you crave that kind of attention...even if it screws legitimate PS3 owners in the process.

sikbeta5135d ago

lol @ the Picture, that's your Future Geo-douche!

commodore645135d ago (Edited 5135d ago )

No actually, the article has completely missed the point.

What is not being understood, is that Sony gained a marketing advantage by advertising features that undoubtedly were used by savvy consumers in weighing the pros and cons of an important purchasing decision.

The inclusion of Linux was a 'unique selling point' used by Sony to capture additional marketshare.

Unfortunately, Sony chose to remove this feature from Units that have already been sold to customers, thereby reducing the value of the purchase, after the point of sale. Is George Hotz to blame? Who knows. What is important to note is that SOny also had the option of addressing the security concerns via a Software solution. Yet, they did not.

On a separate note, blaming George Hotz solely for this episode and attacking his character in an online article, as part of a registered website may be grounds for a defamation lawsuit against the author of the article.

Certainly, portraying George Hotz as a criminal and posting a picture of him as a jail-inmate, in a 'shower-scene', is extremely slanderous and defamatory, as well as being inappropriately suggestive.

George Hotz might be advised to seek out a very competent lawyer and nip these lowlife articles in the bud - and quickly.

It's sad to see George Hotz being attacked and defamed for a crime he hasn't even committed yet. As far as I know, he has not cracked any games, nor has he distributed illegal, pirated content.
Until he's proven and convicted of having committed such a crime, articles such as this, especially the visual depictions, are merely defamatory and libelous.

Maybe someone will send George Hotz an email to make him aware of this article and the questionable attack on his character?

XxZxX5135d ago

either way, that's the otherOption that i don't really care. Linux is slow like SHIACTH in PS3 anyway.

morganfell5135d ago

I think it is karma that Frodo's evil twin is getting a black eye that he gave himself.

This moron is becoming what he deserves - the laughing stock of the internet and resident village idiot of the gaming community.

Anorexorcist5135d ago (Edited 5135d ago )

That Jonas Brother's-looking dropout is THE George Hotz???

I was envisioning some older, Gabe Newell-looking super nerd who pays a lot more attention to exploiting hardware than on personal hygiene.

He barely looks like he even knows what shaving cream is? Sheesh, they shouldn't be calling him Mister George Hotz, they should be calling him Sonny Boy or Kid Kontroversy.

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Proxy5135d ago (Edited 5135d ago )

GeoHot is obviously the enabler in this situation. If he does go to jail hopefully they'll put him with a fellow piracy enabler who's respectable, the the CEO of Dell computers.

Or, they could put the actual pirates in jail?

Tinkering with the hardware isn't illegal. By passing certain security/encryption methods is. I don't know what Geo did on the software side, but I'm in favor of the "right to tinker", DVD burners, and chewing gum, even if they can be used for illegal purposes; doesn't mean they always are.

Echo3075135d ago (Edited 5135d ago )

Who invited Johnny-law to the party? Sue some no-name website's author? You can't be serious.

Sounds like there's a Geo-fanboy out there that's a little upset about all the negative talk surrounding him.

@Proxy: I'm not defending anyone, nor did I imply that I was... that might be the most random reply I've ever gotten on N4G.

Proxy5135d ago (Edited 5135d ago )

So your defending GeoHotz? The lowly blogger?

Marceles5135d ago

lol @ the picture, him and his baby gangster face.

"I hack stuff!" (mean face) get out of here with your mean muggin dude...

DatNJDom815135d ago

I hope Charles Bronson rips him a new asshole

mythamp5134d ago (Edited 5134d ago )

I remember how people here ^^ called GeoHot a fraud, "he doesnt know anything, he is just a attentionwhore, he cant hack the ps3, its unhackable." Sony's response to remove the otheros feature should be a slap in your faces as that means Sony knows GeoHot could crack it.

Now, these same guys want us to go on their bandwagon with "GeoHot made Sony do this, he is such a evil loser".

I think you guys are the big losers here, not Geo! He took it to Sony and sony's PR just made an epic fail.

hesido5134d ago

darkride66-> "Then he goes on about how hacking isn't about stealing but about getting your money's worth."

Yes indeed, this is where I lost my temper when I read geohotz's comment. The homebrew angle-> Ps3 already allowed homebrew, anybody with a fat PS3 could take a bite at programming the cell.

Ps3 had been the most open console of all time. Using no hacks, you could run custom cell specific code. You could run another OS. This is well beyond any console to date.

About getting your money's worth: If anybody bought PS3 because of the possibility of "homebrew" through gameOS, even though for legitimate reasons, is a fool. I already got my money's worth, I bought ps3 to play games, play music, watch videos. That's what I bought my ps3 for, not for homebrew.

That said, it was an ill-fated move by Sony to remove the linux support. I'm not condoning it. They chose the easy way out. They might even be looking for an excuse to shut it down.

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ClownBelt5135d ago

That picture made me laugh. Oh the power of Photoshop. Lmao

Mr Lahey5135d ago

hehe.. it's like trying to sue South Park for over the line jokes.. Gets you nowhere.. :P

Ravage275135d ago

an article that makes sense :/

Tdmd5135d ago

Great article. Totally agree with it. Funny as Hotz was probably the single person on the entire web who "didn't realized there would be consequences". This guy SHOULD be sued. You know, setted as exemple.

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Ar Tonelico Qoga: Knell Of Ar Ciel Retro Review – Love Conquers All

Gary Green said: You’ll be forgiven if you haven’t heard of the Ar Tonelico trilogy. The previous two games arrived so late in the PS2’s life-cycle that they simply went unnoticed. While most were tinkering with their shiny new PS3s, Ar Tonelico: Melody of Elemia and Ar Tonelico II: Melody of Metafalica were being ‘returned to sender’ by your local Game stores. Luckily, you won’t need to have played them to understand and appreciate this third and final chapter, Qoga (pronounced k-yoga) tells the story of a racial war between humans and Reyvateils, a breed of biologically produced female cyborgs capable of reproduction, while still having a digital mind.

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Giga_Gaia3h ago

Oh my god. I kinda wish this would get a remaster on PS5, it would be awesome. One of my favorite games on PS3.

That and 3D Dot Game Heroes. It's a shame that some stuff is stuck on PS3.

Knightofelemia1h ago

Ar Tonelico 3 is good I still prefer the first AT game. The music is solid in all the games and Akiko Shikata is a very talented singer bringing life to the game. Only annoying part is well I find is Saki I always choose Finnel or Tyria. KOEI so needs to HD remaster the franchise along with Ar Nosurge and Ciel Nosurge since it never came to North America. I would day one the Ar Toneliceo games and Ar Nosurge if they were remastered.

TheColbertinator10m ago

I still have the limited edition of Qoga unopened. Unfortunately it never went up in value like I had hoped all these years.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 6h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle17h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188114h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio14h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning779h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga16h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv723h ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

shinoff218316h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga15h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan10h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit3h ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus239h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv729h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

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purple10119h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos19h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-8h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac18h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10117h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic16h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead9h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Why Monopolies In Gaming Must Not Be Allowed

As of right now, there are no monopolies in the games industry, and for the sake of the medium as a whole, they never should either.

thorstein1d 5h ago

Shouldn't be allowed in any field.

Inverno1d 1h ago

And yet the biggest tech companies in America are essentially that. They buy up all the small comps only to kill them off and steal what they have, and if they can't buy em they bleed them to death.

jwillj2k41d ago

Eventually they’ll realize the value is with the employee not the company. Buying an IP means nothing if the people who contributed are let go. They’ll get it one day.

MrCrimson23h ago

tech is different because they buy threats and then kill them. Twitter bought Vine and did nothing with it. Despite people seemingly liking it. Could've had tiktok a decade before bytedance. go figure.

Zenzuu1d ago

Monopolies shouldn't be allowed regardless. Not just for gaming.

MrCrimson23h ago

They buy IPs not talent. That's why these buyouts never work and the IPs die. Right now it's too expensive to develop games - but I expect that to shift maybe as AI tools can make it easier. The best games have been indie games for awhile as big developers fuck their ips to death with "games as a service" -