Does Battlefront Really give Sony the edge over Xbox this holiday?

In Case you haven't heard, Sony has obtained the marketing rights for the newest iteration of Star Wars Battlefront. The game is set to release November 17 and will likely be a huge title for the holidays. This has led some to make claims such as the following (in fact, is one of the hottest articles as of today):

"The biggest bit of news from today’s trailer may be that Sony has nailed the marketing rights to the game, which releases November 17th. This means every gamer who sees Battlefront ads leading up to The Force Awakens’s December release, when Star Wars fandom will be at fever pitch, will also see that they can buy the game on PS4."

What doesn't add up is, this game is a multi-platform game, in other words it doesn't require a Sony platform to play. How is it that marketing rights to a single multi-platform game results in these kind of statements? In fact, Their competition has marketing rights to The Division and Call of Duty which are both equally massive titles, (arguably larger) yet you see noone making inversely ignorant claims. Not to mention this belief would assume that exclusive titles have no bearing on console sales. Worse yet, Call of Duty sells almost identically (maybe a 10% increase) on both Playstation and Xbox platforms despite marketing attempts, what makes this different?

Secondly, The game has hardly reared it's head, with no glimpse of actual gameplay yet. This makes the determination that this is going to eclipse all other exclusive games and marketing deals of their competitors even more asinine. To make such bold claims, one would assume there is a basis. Sadly in this case, the basis is nothing more than a name (Star Wars) and nostalgia. (previous Battlefront games)

I can possibly see how some may think that consumers are too stupid to see the Xbox branded boxes in stores and products online for this game, but this next issue really has me baffled. There are still people/sites, that to this day, Will go out of their way to bash Titanfall for "lack of campaign." Strangely these same people/sites are the ones making these unfounded claims. Ironically, they now turn around to claim marketing rights to a multiplayer only game is the savior of the holiday season? Even worse, Titanfall was actually exclusive to Microsoft products which induced consumers to purchase Xbox consoles, Star Wars Battlefront is not. Still many sites and user claimed it was a failure. All of this is expected I suppose, hypocrisy is ripe in the current "games media," albeit often ignored and even praised.

In short, I find it funny that those who, all to recently, took every means to destroy a game of this same merit, (which was actually exclusive) have turned so fully. These same people have now ignored missing campaigns, ignored exclusivity, and still somehow claim a victory? Maybe I am just missing something in translation.

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iamnsuperman3443d ago

I think the idea comes from what Destiny did for the PS4. For Sony Destiny was a huge success as it sold a lot of PS4s compared to its competitor. It pushed the PS4 in a critical time

This is like what the 360 had in the last generation as big, blockbuster third party titles were a huge deal for the system. Having exclusive promotion rights made the deal even bigger.

nicksetzer13443d ago (Edited 3443d ago )

I know you are partially playing devils advocate, but that logic only addresses one issue I stated above, and sadly, it's hardly accurate. Destiny had a bigger debut on xbox thanks to an excellently timed "free gam" promotion.

http://www.inquisitr.com/15...

iamnsuperman3443d ago (Edited 3443d ago )

But it sold more console units. Remember these sale reports do not count bundle unit sales when it comes to game sales. There is no way, in the Destiny example, that the PS4 sold significantly more than the One purely down to chance (despite nothing really launching at that time). The Destiny release had something to do with it

This isn't mean discrediting the blog but merely suggesting why users may think the PR deal will do wonders for Sony

nicksetzer13443d ago (Edited 3443d ago )

The PS4 had almost double the install base and sold fewer individual units. That is a fact. You assuming that this difference was made up by "bundles" is just that, an assumption. Even if the difference was accounted for, that still means double the percentage of users bought the game on xbox one. Not to mention destiny has an entire year of exclusivity on all dlc, star wars is marketing, and nothing more.

You're making an argument that is not only wrong, but based on something completely different. Also, it is even likely that destiny sold just as many XB1's as PS4's, people bought xbox one's (in mass) because it was able to be packaged for free.

All that aside, in 2014 Xbox One definitely STILL came out on top for the holiday season. So even if all of your baseless assumptions are correct, it still had almost no effect on the holiday outcome.

freshslicepizza3442d ago

but did destiny outsell the xbox one more than 2-1 in software sales? if it did then yes it proves it worked, if not then it didn't.

star wars battlefront probably won't get the same sales as destiny. for one it does not have a campaign mode which means consumers are not as keen on buying it even though i don't think every game needs a campaign. second of all destiny had more pedigree thanks in large part to bungie being attached to the project and a huge marketing campaign where activision is committed to spending 500 million dollars on the ip.

yes star wars is a great game for sony to attach itself and timing is good with the upcoming movie as well but the ps4 will continue to sell well regardless. so i don't see this marketing deal changing anything but it is beneficial to sony who seems to once again have a less than stellar fall line-up of their own games unless we see some new announcements.

mkis0073442d ago (Edited 3442d ago )

You are making an assumption that there will be no Battlefront bundle for ps4.

I'm not sure if you are intentionally doing it, but you are sliding over the fact that The ps4 somehow sold over 500,000 units the month Destiny launched. This was certainly due to the bundle.

The bigger debut on x1 was single game sales...the game itself sold more ps4's that month.

Regardless of what we think happened the fact remains that the PS4 tripled its sales over the previous month the month that Destiny launched with an exclusive bundle.

Lastly, it is kinda hard to claim that the only thing Sony got is marketing rights when nothing of the sort has been ruled out yet. For all we know Sony could have a special faceplate console planned. Which is extremely likely with something like this. I think this is the best thing Sony could have done for itself with the uncharted delay.

“According to Activision internal estimates, the PS4 system is the #1 platform worldwide for Destiny based on units sold through as of October 4, 2014,”
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/15...

http://venturebeat.com/2014...

OrangePowerz3441d ago (Edited 3441d ago )

The copies of Destiny that came bundled with the PS4 didn`t count in the sales and that means a huge amount of Destiny copies are missing from the sales unlike the free game promotion. The amount of people who bought the PS4 Destiny bundle is very significant. So Destiny didn`t had a bigger debut on Xbox. You also only look at the US. Rest of the World holiday sales > US holiday sales.

Chevalier3440d ago

They moved 1 million PS4's during a September and they had more sales overall and were pulling Christmas type numbers on consoles sales well early into the fall. After Titanfall failed to move significant amounts of Xbones and did okay for EA it's not surprising they're moving to greener pastures.

Another thing you failed to mention was that MS was giving free copies of Destiny with sales of the Xbone. Those copies were bought and given to Xbone buyers to artificially bump their numbers up. PS4 still sold significantly more overall worldwide.

GoGoGadge73439d ago

Whatever you are smoking... I want it.

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oasdada3441d ago

I also got the destiny bundle. but traded destiny for driveclub lol

Valenka3442d ago

As long as Battlefront is accessible on both PS4 and Xbox One, I couldn't care less who out-does whom.

BitbyDeath3442d ago

These types of marketing deals aren't aimed at you and I. They are for people that are not in the know.

They are designed to lure people to said platform without the knowledge of other platforms. These are generally parents/grandparents that are looking to buy a new system for their kids/loved ones.

They generally don't investigate, they see an ad on TV saying X game is coming out on Y platform and then go 'well my kid is a big fan', and off they go to the shops.

And as for your COD example, you are talking this gen where Sony has double the user base of MS. Lastgen it was wildly known that COD was primarily sold on Xbox. The marketing made that difference as the games were always sold around Xmas, so you catch a lot of uninformed people who are looking to buy gifts for their loved ones.

nicksetzer13442d ago

"And as for your COD example, you are talking this gen"

No, no I'm not.

BLOPS (<15% difference):
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

BLOPS2:
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

MW3 (<10% difference):
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Not only that, xbox consoles got DLC early and COD was played by professionals on 360. Star wars literally will ONLY have a commercial with a sony logo, nothing more.

Also, name ANY 3rd party game deal (by itself) that gave a console sales dominance for the entire holiday season, it has never happened. Not to mention the 3 other reasons the argument is flawed that I losted above.

You all have the same argument, " what about idiots, who buy stuff?" Which only addresses one of the issues with believing this will win the holiday. Honestly I doubt battlefront will even be the best selling game this holiday, let alone impact the entire holiday outcome based on a commercial with a sony logo.

Kayant3441d ago

Trying to justify your point with "Loool vgchartz" doesn't help.

"Star wars literally will ONLY have a commercial with a sony logo, nothing more."

Which resulted in - http://abload.de/img/bfps4c... don't underestimate marketing.

"Not only that, xbox consoles got DLC early and COD was played by professionals on 360. Star wars literally will ONLY have a commercial with a sony logo, nothing more." - And you know this because of the magic crystal ball you have when E3 is around the corner and many months of marketing are still left.

These deals are done by both companies because they often work to an extend.

MrBeatdown3442d ago (Edited 3442d ago )

"Strangely these same people/sites are the ones making these unfounded claims."

Thank you for keeping track.

Please share your lists with us. I have a hard time keeping track of opinions from all over the internet for the purpose of identifying hypocrisy, so a resource for those of us who want to know all about these people that say contradictory things would be helpful when we attempt our own internet shaming.

rezzah3442d ago

It is better than having equal to no advertisements. For the uninformed that own no consoles, always seeing "PS4" being associated with the new Battlefront game will cause them to think of it as a PS4 game. Thus, they may purchase a PS4 over the Xbone for the game unless other factors change their mind. An example of another factor is their friends owning the Xbone console, making them ignore seeing "PS4" logo and then wanting to play with friends on the Xbone.

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GotGame8181d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

Palworld is better, but Nintendo has$$$$ They can fight it all they want, but will absolutely lose. It is a blatant Pokemon rip off. I do wish them luck though.

Profchaos1h ago

Weren't the wire models used in palworld ripped out of Pokemon in the end?

porkChop45m ago

No they weren't. That was proven false. And, again since people don't seem to understand, this is not a copyright lawsuit or about stolen content/assets/designs/etc. It's a patent lawsuit. So far all the possible patents I've seen were filed by Nintendo 4 months *after* Palworld released.

jznrpg59m ago

On behalf of their money seems like the biggest reason

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darthv7212h ago

why does it feel like we are living in the early 00's again? Sony paying for either full exclusivity or timed was the thing back in the day... and its been 'remastered' for this generation.

raWfodog5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

The original SH2 was PS2-exclusive for only a few months. Remastered version is exclusive for over a year lol.

But both companies played the timed exclusives game for so long so it’s no surprise.

rlow14h ago

Sony is the king of paying for exclusives. Anytime Xbox does it Sony fans go berserk. But when the shoes on the other foot they flop like a fish out of water.

raWfodog3h ago

@rlow

Stop acting like one camp is better than the other. Both sides have rabid fans that go crazy over silly stuff. Many gamers have common sense and are even-keeled. Which category do you fall into?

Profchaos4h ago

Two fold publishers look at the loss in sales due to exclusivity and given how little Xbox sells in general Sony's generally able to get a greenlight for this behaviour if they fund it.

Microsoft think buying punishers is acceptable but they dug a huge financial hole as a result

Nintendo is just Nintendo and don't care

VersusDMC3h ago

Oh Nintendo didn't pay for timed exclusivity for Monster Hunter Rise, SMTV, octopath, etc...? As usual it's
only a "behaviour" for Sony.

Chevalier3h ago

Yeah it's not like Xbox paid for exclusivity for games like Ark 2, Stalker 2, Warhammer Darktide or anything like that right? Oh wait.....

S2Killinit12m ago(Edited 12m ago)

How do we know the developer doesnt prefer to release on the console that sells games?

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Einhander19724h ago

Just because that's the announced end doesn't guarantee it will be coming to xbox at that point or ever to be honest.

And even if it does it'll be an inferior version without the haptics and the Tempest audio which I expect will be a huge part in setting the mood in a game like this.

Obscure_Observer3h ago

"Just because that's the announced end doesn't guarantee it will be coming to xbox at that point or ever to be honest."

Whatever makes you sleep at night. Silent Hill will be release on both PC and PS5 and yet Konami made sure and let everyone know that their game is a timed-exclusive to Playstation. The Switch 2 and it´s PS4-level hardware won´t be able to handle it, so yeah, it´s definitely coming to Xbox.

"And even if it does it'll be an inferior version without the haptics and the Tempest audio which I expect will be a huge part in setting the mood in a game like this."

Who cares for Tempest when we have Dolby Atmos? And haptics? Please. There isn´t a single haptics implementation for games that comes near to Astrobot´s.

So yeah, I´m cool getting the best definitive version on Xbox Series X.

Knushwood Butt2h ago

'Who cares for Tempest when we have Dolby Atmos? And haptics? Please. There isn´t a single haptics implementation for games that comes near to Astrobot´s.'.

Have you played Returnal?

Sonic18812h ago(Edited 2h ago)

So yeah, I´m cool getting the best definitive version on Xbox Series X.

You mean PC and PS5 Pro. The Series S will prevent it from being the definitive version 😂

Quesosz2h ago

Just like PS5 pro got the inferior version of Alan wake.

$800 for 800p 😬💀

Quesosz2h ago

Also PS5 is the inferior version of SH2

PC will wipe the floor with PS5

Obscure_Observer1h ago

@Sonic1881

"You mean PC and PS5 Pro. The Series S will prevent it from being the definitive version 😂"

We´ll see. The S is not preventing S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2 from being excellent on Xbox Series X running at 60fps according to DF, despite the fact that it can barely handle that game a stable 30fps at the moment.

@Knushwood Butt

"Have you played Returnal?"

No. Why? It´s better than Astrobot?

Sonic188157m ago(Edited 46m ago)

"We´ll see. The S is not preventing S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2 from being excellent on Xbox Series X running at 60fps according to DF, despite the fact that it can barely handle that game a stable 30fps at the moment."

We'll definitely see 😂

Knushwood Butt46m ago

Better is subjective, but pretty much anyone would agree that the haptics are excellent. I got the Returnal platinum months if not years ago, and just started from scratch again last night. The audio and haptics are first class.

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shadowT7h ago

enough time to optimize for Xbox Series S

P_Bomb5h ago

Hmm. Just a bit more than the 9 months The Medium was console exclusive.

TheNamelessOne5h ago

No wait on the PC end, so I'm happy.

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Obscure_Observer10h ago

Good.

Now that you´re releasing games and making big money from every gaming platform, you should double that amount and give us even more day one third party games!

Jin_Sakai9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

You’re delusional beyond belief. Businesses wise it doesn’t make sense and sooner or later they’ll be raising prices again to cover that billion they’re blowing every year.

outsider16241h ago

Lucky for xbox that papa microsoft is rich.

purple1019h ago(Edited 9h ago)

As someone else said earlier today, they are past the growth stage, it’s been stagnent for last 3 years, they are now in the money making stage, prepare to be goosed for as many dollars as possible for the least amount of content. It may not be bad now, (actually it is) but it will be soon (even worse) this year you got hellblade and starfirld and a load of other games that could be bought in bargain bins for about $5-30 and for that you pay them monthly

To add I honestly don’t know how you put up with the barrage of Xbox negativity (which is deserved). I put it down to:

A) you are being paid
B) you may have a problem thinking clearly
C) prefer rooting for the underdog, that’s a legit thing too. English people do it by default

Profchaos4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Yeah Aussies also love an underdog as long as that underdog isn't Xbox as they were too of the game with the 360 then lost their minds

Chevalier3h ago

3 straight years of missing Gamepass targets. Some people are just blinded by their own idiocy. Will be interesting to see if COD does anything this fall

CosmicTurtle5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

He is a troll. Designed to stoke people up on here. We know this.

It’s quite funny.

Popsicle3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Yet people still allow the troll to derail an entire topic. I don’t understand how moderation allows it.

I literally just skip the comment. This may be the best comment obscure ever made. I don’t know because I didn’t read it. I have read to many thread derailing post from this person to ever devote any time to reading another.

I wish everyone would ignore the trolls so we can have a genuine discussion. Stop feeding it and it will go away. Even just hitting the disagree button feeds it. Thats what it wants. This is the last post I will ever post about obscure because I am feeding them now.

Legit question to Mods. After such a long history of being a troll, how has this poster not been banned?

Sonic18815h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Are you insane? You want them to double the amount when the Xbox is already struggling and losing money 🤔

Hofstaderman4h ago

Correction....XBOX is already dead.

Obscure_Observer2h ago

"Are you insane? You want them to double the amount when the Xbox is already struggling and losing money"

As long we get the games I couldn´t care less about a trillion dollar company losing money. That´s their business to worry about. I only care about the games.

And "struggling and losing money"? Really?

"Microsoft reports Xbox’s revenue is up 61% in Q4 FY24 thanks to Activision"

https://venturebeat.com/gam...

61% more revenue and BO6 is not even out yet.

MS will make a sh!t ton of money with that game alone in all platforms. So 2 Billion yearly invested in their *core* business is nothing!

So yeah, I want them to double the investments on Gamepass. Period.

Sonic18812h ago(Edited 2h ago)

"So yeah, I want them to double the investments on Gamepass. Period."

That ain't going to happen. Just because you want it 😂

fr0sty4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

They'll do that, after creating 4 more higher-priced tiers and making the one that currently includes everything only contain games that have been on the market for 4 years.

"Gamepass Ultra to the MAX: Now only $299 per year!"

Profchaos4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

They are trying to get a return on abk and Bethesda they won't double day one we're lucky we are still getting them now that day one has been removed from base tiers

They want to make money not give it away

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MrDead9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

I like how they twist cannibalising game sales into "invests".

No lifetime sales with MS, they'll F-up gaming the same as streaming services have done to the movie industry and it's workforce.

Fishy Fingers7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

Out of interest do you think those 3rd parties signing the deal are unhappy with the severence and have a gun to their head?

Bro probably has a PS+ sub and has library full of Epic launcher free games.

TheNamelessOne1h ago

lol

Pretty much. There's a lot of hate on this site for Gamepass, but put games on the different tiers of the PS subscription, and whenever they get that free day one release, it's an entirely different tune. No talk about how this choice is killing devs.

DarXyde54m ago

Do we think they're unhappy?

Umm...YES...?

They literally need to be paid up front to put games on the service. It's become a way to gain a foothold on the platform.

Do you think Atlus would launch on Game Pass otherwise?

DivineHand1253h ago

There are pros and cons to everything. Streaming services like Netflix is no different than cable tv except it is on demand. Services like Netflix has made it so that more studios can get a share in the profit where they can reach more consumers worldwide compared to the old days where the masses will only watch a few new titles per month.

The only negative about streaming services is that it no longer makes any sense to sell DVDs and Blu-rays though it can be argued that those persons may have moved on to building digital libraries for the sake of convenience.

The reason Xbox is doing so poorly is because they are not doing enough to be competitive. Their output of AA and AAA exclusive titles are extremely low compared to the competition and they haven't had a game of the year nominee in years.

Releasing their games the same date on PC is also hurting their console and it would have been more strategic for them to delay those releases by a year similar to what Sony does to maximize profits.

Gamepass alone is not to blame for Xbox's current position because it can be argued that if the service didn't exist and they had the same gaming output as they have now, they would be in an even worst spot.

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CrimsonGuardVII6h ago

@badz148 its not, it just straight lied.

gold_drake5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

we know this, we have known this since last year.

this is not new or news.

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