So Apparently N4G Is Filled With Rabid Sony Fanboys?

You might be looking at the title and wondering why it's a question, and there are two reasons you'd be wondering that. The first reason is that you're an Xbox or otherwise non-Sony fan who actually believes this, and the second is that you don't believe it in general for whatever reason.

The question is being asked because of the recent week of news. Take a look at the top news on the site and you'll see it's dominated by multiple articles saying the same thing about one conference. That, in and of itself, is a big problem specific to N4G where people will take a segment of a conference and then break it down into 5 articles to spam on the site, but I digress.

Read these articles, and tell me what you see. I see Xbox fans buying into every little thing that Microsoft says and saying "Sony ponies" this or "denial" that. Allow me to explain.

Microsoft apparently showcased the "power of the cloud" in a demo at the BUILD conference. This demo was supposed to show that cloud compute was real, and that it would increase performance of games. Of course, in typical Microsoft fashion, they made these kinds of promises with literally no time frame in mind as to when these effects would be seen in mainstream gaming.

Questions were asked, however, when it was revealed that the comparisons used were sketchy. Questions like "what kind of PCs were used for the comparison" were asked when it was seen how much weaker the PCs seemed. A legitimate question given that PCs are known to be stronger in all aspects than a console.

Questions like "where were the servers located performing the computations" were asked because the demo seemed to be a local one.

If this were any other form of technology demonstrations, these would be legitimate questions that would require an answer. For example, if the technology to wirelessly power a light bulb were being demoed, and all you could see was the bulb light up but didn't see where the tech that was lighting it up was, you'd logically ask where it was so you could know how far away the device was powering the bulb yes?

Not so when it comes to Microsoft's less than new cloud technology.

Instead of wanting answers to these questions, MS fanboys have been saying that Sony fanboys have been silenced, that the power of the cloud is real, that anyone who disagrees is just hating and in denial. When people have real concerns of what would happen when your network goes down, for ANY reason, they are met with accusations against Playstation Now and taunts that that's the only thing they could come up with to discredit Azure's Cloud Compute, all while ignoring the other legitimate questions.

Take a look at the comments and see how Microsoft fanboyism dominates the top news on the site even now and tell me that this site is supposed to be dominated by Sony fans.

Known Xbox trolls getting Well Said votes, inconsequential comments from "Sony fans" being marked for trolling.

Give them an inch and they take a mile.

This is just proof that this site isn't overrun by a specific type of fanboy, but that fanboys of all kinds are here, they're loud, and they are just waiting for that one story, or week of news, where they can be as obnoxious as they can get away with, all while the other side is saying this site is filled with rabid _____ fanboys and complaining about censorship and biased mods.

The hypocrisy floweth forth.

[maniacmayhem]

I don't agree at all with your comments about the Xbox fans went wild over the recent cloud demo. Especially when every article before hand where MS talked about the cloud those articles were dominated by Sony fanboys who said "it wasn't real", "it can't be done", the "certain places do not have the info structure" or "don't tell us,show us".

And you can't sit there and tell me a lot of very well known sony trolls and fanboys weren't getting bubbled up with trolling comments throughout those articles.

So now when a demo is shown of course a lot of the Xbox fans and fanboys will come out and talk the loudest. I mean what do you expect when you and others for the longest were hassling them about how you wanted a demo from the very moment "the cloud" was even mentioned by MS.

Now you're upset that Xbox fans are throwing it back at you?

Those questions about the cloud computing asked by you, what good would they do you personally and to any other gamer, NON engineer type on this site? They could spit out super computer, geek engineer BS, would that even satisfy you, would you even know what it all meant?

Sony shows off something and most on this site don't say a thing except "Can't wait!". MS shows something and this site demands to get the finer details and the inner workings, behind the curtains reveals. It's really ridiculous the double standards a lot of people have on here.

When the demo was shown it was just that, a demo. All I took away from it was it can be done, how they incorporate it into games or anything else still remains to be seen. But in my opinion the more questions raised by sony fanboys and others further demonstrates that nothing MS shows or does is good enough as most will just move on to gripe about something else.

The Xbox One and PS4 is what, 5 or 6 months out from release, and everyone wants each company to show their cards now?

"This is just proof that this site isn't overrun by a specific type of fanboy,.."

C'mon now, I don't think anyone here has any doubt that this site has its share of fanboys. But its about time to be honest and admit that the majority on N4G are definitely Sony fanboys. Just like way back in 2006-07 how this site was supposedly overran with 360 fanboys.

"Take a look at the comments and see how Microsoft fanboyism dominates the top news on the site.."

Yea, and then take a look at every other week before hand and the weeks ahead and see how Sony fanboyism dominates even more. Every Titanfall article, every Ryse article, every framerate article, every resolution article, every multiplat article.

[DragonKnight]

You're merely proving my point for me and you don't realize it.

You're not denying the frothing and foaming at the mouth of the Xbox fanboys as of late, you're merely employing another SonyToo™ defense.

Your entire comment is half what I'm talking about, half blaming me personally for something that isn't my doing or even what I'm talking about.

If I were to address your points, I could just provide links to comments I'm talking about but it wouldn't matter to you. You're already convinced that for ever frothing Xbox fan, there's a Sony fan that started it. I could take you back to the launch of the PS3 and prove to you that Xbox fanboys started it, or I could stick to the original point.

That being that this site isn't populated by a specific set of fanboys that get away with whatever they want to, but has fanboys that wait until they have a news story they can be obnoxious in and have at it then.

Allow me to attempt to briefly address your points anyway.

"Especially when every article before hand..."

Umm, because actions speak louder than words. You may want to accept and believe hype as it's shoved down your throat, but there are some out there that don't. They're called smart in some circles. And just so you know, it still can't be done and it's still not real, but we'll get to that in a second.

"And you can't sit there..."

I can't, and wasn't going to.

"Now you're upset that Xbox fans are throwing it back at you?"

I've focused on this part instead of the previous paragraph because I'll include answers to both here.

For starters, Xbox fans are the loudest now that demo was shown for literally no reason. Instead of actually looking at what was shown and trying to find out everything that is necessary to know, they take it a face value and throw it in everyone's face saying it's the greatest thing since the wheel for technology. They know nothing about the conditions of the demo, just that it took place. They know nothing about how it can apply to games, or when, but are acting like it's going to happen for games now or in the very near future.

I'm not upset about anything. I'm calling out hypocrisy and truth about the site, I'm mentioning flaws. You're upset, as evidenced by your comment.

"Those questions about the cloud computing asked by you..."

I won't dignify your question with a response until you answer this question. Do you honestly think that I am the ONLY one asking these LEGITIMATE questions and that the answers to questions like "where were the servers located" and "what were the pc specs" require engineering degrees to answer?

End of Part 1

[maniacmayhem]

I am not blaming you and I am not providing a Sony Too™ defense. I am pointing out the source of your grief and why these MS fanboys are frothing at the mouth when a demo of the cloud is shown.

And I am providing a few examples that does and should require a comparison to Sony to prove my point. So this whole "Sony Too" saying just to keep Sony out of a discussions really should stop.

I could also provide links and comments from way back and make it look like anyone from any camp started it. It would prove nothing as it would only prove that person's point of view. What I am getting at is it's a vicious cycle we have here on N4G.

Xbox fanboys parade and claim Sony has no games, the next minute Sony fanboys are frothing at the mouth at their many exclusives Sony provided. Sony fanboys are saying FF Vs. will never be multiplat, next minute Xbox fanboys are frothing at the mouth that Square announced it would go multiplat.

Those are just a couple of off the head examples of how this cycle of fanboyism on N4G works and to just point out the current example and proclaim MS fanboyism dominates the top stories is just plain wrong.

"..but there are some out there that don't. They're called smart in some circles.."

No Dragon, those are the idiots that just want to complain and be bitter about everything that doesn't involve their console of choice. This isn't the US health care, this isn't the fight for social security or financial independence. These are video games and just because I don't go bat sh#t crazy and point out flaws and automatically question everything these companies do doesn't make me a blind follower and it certainly doesn't put you in some smart circle.

Ask questions, sure. But please don't think for one second your some kind of truth crusader trying to expose the evil underbelly of a giant corporation and bring light to blind. You are fooling yourself. It's a demo of cloud computing, that is all. A DEMO.

"Instead of actually looking at what was shown and trying to find out everything that is necessary to.."

Because it's a DEMO DRAGON! Something many of you sony fanboys have been asking for the longest of time. PSNow hasn't shown a thing does this mean we shouldn't take it at face value? MS is showing off a demo that will be expanded on for whatever future endeavors.

"I'm not upset about anything."

It's obvious you are, you wrote a whole blog about it (quickly too) and you have numerous comments in each cloud article and even got marked for one. You are pretty upset Dragon.

End of Part 1

[DragonKnight]

Actually you are playing a SonyToo™ defense. Your reasoning behind one group of fanboys frothing at the mouth involves using the other group of fanboys as the catalyst and employing many double standards while doing so.

It won't stop until you stop using it as a defense to condone behavior you seem to not have a problem with when it suits you.

Which I have already stated, but which you had to go and drag all kinds of inconsequential minutia into for no reason other than to play a blame game.

*skip 2 paragraphs that are saying the same thing*

No maniac, questioning things is smart. You can try and pass it off as stupid because it's not "important" to the real world, but that just paints you as the kind of person that chooses to accept some things you shouldn't at face value. It is definitely important to know what the conditions of that demo were because if not MS could attempt to sell something that's already broken out of the box. You may love throwing money away on promises, others have more consideration for the value of money.

There you go again with your hyperbole. Trying to turn legitimate questions into a hate parade spearheaded by me to expose and make transparent dirty Microsoft secrets. You can try to illegitimize questions by equating them to overreaction, but you're just making yourself look the fool when you do so, especially by the style in which you do so.

It's a demo being used TO MARKET AND SELL A DEVICE MANIAC! Microsoft have been using "Cloud Power" as a selling point for a year, a frickin' year maniac. You don't see Nintendo or Sony constantly bragging about Playstation Now, or whatever Nintendo has, to sell their consoles, or advertising deals, or anything else like that. Sony announced Playstation Now, what they wanted it to do, and left it at that. Microsoft is constantly trying to make people believe that Cloud Compute is going to have all of these applications for gaming THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN and yet they are STILL marketing it as though it's coming. It's frickin' not and you know it's not. The demo is for the sheep who don't know any better and will hype this up to kingdom come only to later b*tch about it because it didn't happen. We've seen this countless times before.

I'm sure you know my emotional state better than I do maniac, that's why you're me right? For your own sake, stop continuing to fail at a psychological analysis of anyone anytime. Being able to type quickly is not an indication of anything, considering it's Friday and this news has been up all week and I'm only now writing a blog (whose content has hardly anything to do with the subject in which you are steering it towards), I hardly think you can equate my blog to a breaking news story I just had to talk about the very minute it happened.

Given your initial comment, and how you constantly focus on me, the evidence is more damming of your emotional state than mine.

[NewMonday]

the problem is some take things personal and that leads them to fanboyism.

we are all strangers from different parts of the world using aliases, so even taking things personal is a wast of time.

gaming goes beyond consoles, it is still a niche activity, and we as a group can strongly influence the trends in this medium. that is why we need to give honest criticism.

we as gamers go after whoever drops the ball, everyone had their turn Sony, Nintendo, Oculus Rift...

this time it is MS's turn and they deserve it, so they say they are changing but it will take time to win back gamers trust, Sony started in a deep hole with the PS3 and took them years to get out of it, MS will not dig themselves out with talk or PR, those of us who know about Microsoft tactics throughout the years are very skeptical of "talk". the perception will change after we actually get to play a number of amazing games on our hands.

so don't take things personal, and don't feel sorry for those who get their feelings hurt when their console is slighted. it's not about you it's about something bigger.

[thorstein]

Excellent blog. I don't always see eye to eye with you, but you are correct.

See my comment here, that was marked as trolling:
http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

It is the #2 comment. I wonder why a comment as thought out as the one I posted was marked trolling. You are certainly right about that.

[MysticStrummer]

@thorstein - Just read that "Trolling" comment. What a joke. The same has happened to me more than once.

[dedicatedtogamers]

My job is to make the internet run. I work for a hosting company similar to Rackspace, HostGator, etc that supports cloud servers, dedis, shared boxes, and all the stuff involved with setting up a network infrastructure.

And I can tell you, what Microsoft is showing is purely PR. They are able to do it, technology-wise. What Microsoft is showing off EXISTS. It is actually real, it can be done. But here's the bait-and-switch: we are not to the point where offloading portions of a program's data to a "cloud" while running a program locally is cost-effective.

Could Microsoft hook up enough servers to make an Xbox One game look better than the best PC game? YES! It is possible. It's possible right now, in fact. But will they? NO! Because the cost of running a server capable of that is going to be far higher (we're talking $100s per game instance; multiply that by 1 million people who buy a game, or 5 million, or more) than Microsoft or developers can handle. Microsoft's Azure servers are not just for Xbox One, either. Microsoft's enterprise/server business makes 50x more money than the Xbox division and Azure is aimed at serving that clientele.

In the modern age, we are moving away from the era where each company and corporation has their own local servers. It's too expensive and it doesn't offer much benefit. Now, a huge corp can spend thousands of dollars a month to rent servers from Microsoft or Google or me instead of tens of thousands per month to run the hardware themselves and hire a dedicated team, not to mention the hundreds of thousands (millions, even) it costs to buy the hardware and set it up in the first place if you were to use local servers. You think Microsoft is going to divert resources from THAT market in order to make DudeBro McShooter's game run better than it is now when he only pays $60 per YEAR? Please.

To use an auto example, Xbox One is like a Honda Civic and Honda (Microsoft) is bragging that the Civic can outperform a Porche. In every race and every comparison, Civic loses, but then Honda (Microsoft) comes out with a custom-built Civic with a space-age engine that actually CAN beat a Porche. Does it mean that your run-of-the-mill Civic that you bought last year can magically beat a Porche? No, but Honda (Microsoft) would love it if you were dumb enough to believe so.

Ultimately, this is what it boils down to: either "Power of the Cloud" is real and super-powerful, and games without it are going to be gimped, or "power of the cloud" isn't that big of a deal and it's being used as a PR piece (like Power of ESRAM) to cover up the fact that Xbox One hardware is inferior. With Microsoft's track record in mind, go ahead and take your pick.

[doolin_dalton]

@DragonKnight

"You're not denying the frothing and foaming at the mouth of the Xbox fanboys as of late, you're merely employing another SonyToo™ defense."

You have absolutely no grounds to accuse anyone of employing a "Sony too" defense.

You mention Sony fanboys in your title - of course it's fair game to point out where you're 100% wrong when it comes to N4G fanboys. You may accuse others of using "Sony too" as their "go to defense", but in reality, "Sony too" is simply your go-to attack.

The FACT that this site is overrun with Sony fanboys is inconvenient for your arguments, so you bury your head in the sand and pretend you don't know anything about it. Then, you belittle anyone who points out a FACT that goes against your opinion.

Like he says, look at any Titanfall, Ryse, resolution, or Sessler article and you'll see the true depth of the fanboyism. Sure, it exists among Xbox fans too, but for every one of them there's around 5 Sony fanboys.

[Gazondaily]

I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you on this.

Take this week and the behaviour from some people from the Xbox crowd and what you have is basically how the Sony contingent(of which there is a massive majority) behave every single day.

Why you can't see this is beyond me but the fact that this blog exists is pretty much proof of what I'm saying and some will clock on as to why.

Sony fans on here are bullies. Full stop. They don't love their console of choice, they just love to hate yours. Simple as that. And this mentality kind of works its way all the way to the upper echelons on N4G. That's my sincere belief and understanding of it.

But what can I say...we've been here and done this dance sooo many times. You won't agree with me, and I won't agree with you.

There's no point to this blog to be fair. I think the only person you're really convincing is yourself. I'm not saying this in a harsh way; I just don't think anyone, based on what you've written is gonna say, hold up...I was wrong and DK is right.

Anyway, peace all.

[NewMonday]

@Septic

the "bullies" are the ones making things personal

you do this and accuse anyone who criticizes MS of being a fanboy.

people like DragonKnight, iamnsuperman, Lucas, myself and others are neutrals, we criticized Sony when they deserve it.

you on the other hand just pretend to be "neutral", always personally attacking those who criticize MS instead of countering with a good argument.

just stop pretending, people see you for what you really are

[Gazondaily]

@new

"you on the other hand just pretend to be "neutral", always personally attacking those who criticize MS instead of countering with a good argument.

just stop pretending, people see you for what you really are"

Where am I personally attacking anyone? Who am I really?

You don't think I criticise MS? The way you lot go around critiquing, in particular you, seem to overbearing in your criticism against MS but don't apply the same standards to Sony.

But I'm not even pointing at you guys in particular. You lot can actually backup your points most of the time. It's the horde of supporters on here that make up the majority of the N4G users that I have an issue with.

"the "bullies" are the ones making things personal

you do this and accuse anyone who criticizes MS of being a fanboy. "

Never. Never have I done this when a person genuinely offers constructive criticism that isn't always constantly on the warpath against the Xbox.

You know who I think is a great example of a Sony fan that I get along with? Iamnsuperman.

Honestly, explain to me what I am. When all my mates asked me what console to get I said get a PS4. To this day I say you can't go wrong with the PS4, and I know 3 people alone who bought a PS4 because of MY recommendation. The PS4 is in my bedroom as my primary console. I went on TV telling everyone why the PS4 is the better console. I have said on here, MULTIPLE times that the PS4 is my console of choice.

Tell me then, what am I?

You know what's sad? The fact that I feel that I have to walk on egg shells here to give my opinion. I spend a great deal of time on N4G and I have to think about what the majority of users on here will say, what cgoodno will do when I make a submission for an article or whatnot.

I have a review coming up for inFamous: Second Son. I am going to score it a 7. Now I know exactly what's going to happen but the rapid nature of the fanbase on here actually had be concerned about giving it that score. At the end of the day, I thought **** it, I need to be genuine. But believe me when I say this; my early impressions of the game before I played it made me think that I would most likely rate it higher than the likes of Titanfall.

Its the attitude of you lot that gets me. You guys are just unrelenting. Its very rare that we can sit down and have a frank and chilled out discussion. But I try on here to do that.

My mate Ilyas, he is as big a Sony fanboy as you will meet. He admits this and we have some brilliant discussions as can be seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I just wish we all could have the same kind of discussion here. I mean ffs, we are veterans on this site that post most regularly on the front page (as others have receded to the forums for sanctuary lol). If only we could set the standards.

[NewMonday]

@Septic

one of only 2 blog posts is a critique of Sony studios long before the overhaul started.

I criticized GOW: Ascension multiple times, the same for KillzoneSF.

I only say good things about Halo and Quantum Break is one of my most wanted games.

I was gaming long before Sony and even Nintendo, I go where the games go, loving or hating a company doesn't make a game better or worse.

Sony are doing good right now and MS are doing bad, changes don't happen over night, if MS bring us good games constantly they will start to win us back.

"Where am I personally attacking anyone?"

check your own comment history, in the future just argue the point and expose weaknesses or contradictions(like ace attorney :P) and don't attack the posters, that is an automatic fail.

[Cueil]

you work at a web hosting company and you want to, someone how, compare what you're doing to what Microsoft is doing with Azure? They are already doing cloud compute with their servers the only real difference here will be the amount of traffic being used. It's not like we haven't been offloading into the cloud for two decades on MMOs... you're the one who seems to not get it.

[Bimkoblerutso]

This is what fanboyism is, and no side is more in the right than the other, and there are no excuses to be made for either side.

One day, perhaps all gamers will unite in the realization that ALL big businesses are constantly trying to rape us hardcore. For now, though, the civil war continues.

[pixelsword]

I think that's true, Dragon:

I often see a sony fan's post with like 44 agrees and 4 disagrees, yet marked for trolling instead of a well said, or a funny, helpful or whatever, and when they do, they don't often get bubbles whereas you see a lot more xbox fans having more than five bubbles even though they are known for spitting poison; and when they are chopped down, by some miraculous act they have numerous bubbles again.

As far as the cloud demo, well, the proof is in the pudding; when a game uses the cloud and the results are like that of the demo, then the demo will be justified; until then, it's neither here nor there, just like the killzone 2 demo way back when.

[DragonKnight]

Part 2

"Sony shows off something...."

More SonyToo™ maniac? Is that really your "go to" defense from now on? Sony has showed a game streaming service. Are you telling me that a game streaming service through the cloud is comparable to claims that the cloud will boost game performance? Are you really that ignorant to the logistics involved?

Plus, when Sony showed that, they didn't make it a key marketing point of the PS4. Microsoft touted the power of the cloud since May of last year. They swore up and down that games were going to be better on the Xbox One because of the cloud. Anyone with a lick of sense knows that true cloud computing applications in the marketing jargon that Microsoft were spewing aren't going to happen in the Xbox One's primary lifetime UNLESS Microsoft intend on the Xbox One being their last new console and keeping it alive for more than 10 years. Considering the lack of support they are showing for the 360, forgive me if I have a hard time believing that.

"All I took away from it..."

Good for you. Are you suggesting that your opinion is the one that counts? That you are, or represent, the majority? And are you saying questions shouldn't be asked? That everything Microsoft brags about should just be accepted as the next best thing ever and we should all get excited to throw our money at it? Are you really that much of a child?

"The Xbox One and PS4 is what, 5 or 6 months out from release, and everyone wants each company to show their cards now?"

Close. We want the term "put up, or shut up" to apply. Announcing something is one thing, using it as a marketing bullet point when you know it's not coming any time soon is quite another. Any time a game is announced for the Xbox One, the cloud is inevitably mentioned. Then it turns out that the cloud is hyperbole for dedicated servers, but it never stops the hype machine from making it seem more than that.

Cloud compute doesn't exist on the Xbox One the way they initially touted it as existing. It won't exist for YEARS and everyone knows it. But a questionable demo done without any transparency is somehow worthy of immediate overhype and praise and, for some reason known only to Xbox fanboys, comparisons to Playstation Now? Of course, if you can show me a game that proves that the cloud makes the Xbox One 3x more powerful than it is, like MS have claimed it can/will for a year now, then I'll retract everything.

"But its about time to be honest and admit that the majority on N4G are definitely Sony fanboys."

If that's what you call honesty, I want nothing of it because it lacks objective analysis and fact. I swear, one day I would love for the mods of the site to post a huge photodump of all the debubble votes and ticket messages they get involving fanboyism. If you really think this site is dominated by any group of fanboys, then your eyes are only open to those set of fanboys you don't like.

"Yea, and then take a look..."

That's a game of tag right there, and for every example you just posted, I have my own examples of the opposing idea. It's an argument neither of us can win, assuming that that was the argument I was trying to make, which I wasn't.

Ignore the facts if you want to, doesn't mean they go away.

[maniacmayhem]

Part 2

Yes Dragon, there will be a lot more Sony Too™, I will also throw in Sony This™ and Sony That™ just for good measures. So you can stop with the supreme theatrics you and your friends made up to try and stop any comparisons.

"Do you honestly think that I am the ONLY one asking these LEGITIMATE questions.."

"Are you suggesting that your opinion is the one that counts? That you are, or represent, the majority? And are you saying questions shouldn't be asked?"

Insane logic right here. So let me get this straight, are you suggesting that your opinion counts or that your questions represent the MAJORITY? Especially when you just said the majority believes cloud computing is real.

How can you sit there and ask me those questions but you yourself feel entitled to be answered by not only me but a huge software giant that has 100 times the knowledge of software workings than you do? The huge ego on you, you asked me if I'm a child but what you are displaying is nothing short of a child mentality. Having to be explained and told everything even if you have no idea what you are asking or being told.

And I never said questions shouldn't be asked but you guys would never be satisfied with the answers as your hate for MS would just cause you to move on to some other lame reason to hate what they are doing.

"Microsoft brags about should just be accepted as the next best thing ever and we should all get excited to throw our money at it?"

Why is that your problem or concern? You're not buying an Xbox One, you don't think it's the next best thing so why should you care what their fans get excited about? Does it bother you that much that you have to TROLL MS fans that actually find MS showings or talks exciting? You are extremely petty.

"Are you telling me that a game streaming service through the cloud is comparable to claims that the cloud will boost game performance?"

I am telling you that when Sony announced this and didn't show a thing you believed them and with NO questions asked. That is what I am saying.

"It won't exist for YEARS and everyone knows it."

Who is "everyone" Dragon? THIS is your problem, you believe you and your circle of sony fanboys on N4G represent EVERYONE. Just because your extreme bias for MS causes you to question everything they do, no matter what, does not represent others who have enthusiasm or excitement for what MS shows.

"Ignore the facts if you want to, doesn't mean they go away."

What facts? You provided no facts. This is all just your perception of what's going on this week on N4G. It's hilarious you can say that and then in your previous paragraph tell me that:

"I want nothing of it because it lacks objective analysis and fact."

Sort of like this whole rant of a blog right?

[DragonKnight]

Then you continue to prove yourself to be a huge child, screaming as if to a parent "he started it" in a vain attempt to shift blame and/or remove yourself from some measure of guilt/punishment. Way to be an adult.

Insane logic? Convenient that you completely avoided it and tried to ask me my own question. Tells me to avoid your question until you actually answer mine. I mean, you even once again focus so much on me, and trying to paint me in a certain way, you can't even answer the simplest part of the question I asked. So I assume you actually think that the question "where were the servers located" requires an engineering degree to answer. Classic.

Way to generalize maniac. Having no idea how people would react, you have just stated with authority you don't have that MS' answers wouldn't be good enough for us. You could be right, you could be wrong, but you don't know yet pretended you do. How very MS of you. You claim that you don't have a problem with questions being asked, yet you've just mounted a fierce attack against the notion of asking them and came up with pathetic reasons why Microsoft shouldn't answer them. Hypocrisy, Hypocrisy everywhere.

More and more and more about me. Maniac, I do not covet your affections. Kindly turn them away from me. If you're incapable of remaining within the context of the discussion, and instead will merely seek to end it through discrediting me somehow, you'd spare everyone's time by simply not commenting. I care about the industry. We've seen countless examples of how one lie unchallenged can balloon into problems for everyone. I care about sanity, and not wanting to have to see countless articles talking about how once again Microsoft couldn't deliever. Why? Because it's obvious to many, yet needs to be explained to more and that is very tedious.

What am I supposed to question about Sony's version of Netflix but for games? We already know everything there needs to be known about streaming services in terms of functionality. The only things about Playstation Now that require actual scrutiny are what games will be provided, and will there be a cost. Things like "will the games work if the network goes out" have an answer. No. But the questions that would be asked of Azure's Cloud Compute and it's claims to boost performance of Xbox One games are incredibly different and don't apply to Playstation Now. Some things need questions, others don't. When it comes to another form of video streaming, what more is there to know that can't be answered by the other streaming services, of which there have already been game streaming ones like OnLive. Playstation Now isn't anything new, what it does already exists, so if there's something you want to know, look it up.

If you want to claim ignorance of the fact that cloud compute the way MS is claiming it for games is YEARS away, then go ahead. Because when you're questioning my statement to that effect, and littering your comment with words like "excitement" and not one single hint of knowledge about the logistics of the service, then that can only lead to the belief that you buy into hype and are ignorant.

All you've done here is to skirt the subject of the blog into something it wasn't supposed to be about. You wanted to argue, and you wanted to focus on Microsoft and their Cloud claims. The blog was about how there isn't a dominant set of fanboys here, and yet you're trying to make it more SonyToo™/Poor sad Xbox fans crap. I've wasted enough bubbles on your off topic nonsense, and I won't waste any more.

[maniacmayhem]

"Way to be an adult."

Because your first reply right off the mark with the obvious sarcastic "Sony Too", followed by you accusing me of "blaming you" for whatever, then you call me a child and ignorant and yada, yada, yada. Yup, very adult like.

"Convenient that you completely avoided it and tried to ask me my own question."

Oh really!! Let me point you to this little tidbit you wrote in YOUR first reply:

"I won't dignify your question with a response until you answer this question."

LMAO, funny that you won't answer my question(s) and yet you turn around and accuse me of avoiding yours. Wow, mind numbing to say the least. Do you even realize how much of a hypocrite you are?

"You could be right, you could be wrong, but you don't know yet pretended you do."

No idea what you are talking about. As I have mentioned before the cloud computing was only demo to me, nothing more, nothing less. I have no questions about it at all because it was nothing but a demonstration on what MS plans to do with cloud computing, whether they implement it or not still remains to be seen, end of story and nothing to get worked in a sweat about.

But wanting to know where the servers are located? Why?

Are you personally asking MS these questions and waiting on a reply back from them? Are you asking people on N4G for answers? What exact answers are you looking for to those legitimate questions asked Dragon? Would those questions you asked in your blog answered make you believe cloud computing for Xbox One is real and coming anytime soon?

I have a very distinct feeling that you would still not believe any word they say as you would probably shift to your Microsoft PR talk stance.

Your blog was mainly about how there wasn't a dominate set of fanboys here? Interesting because damn near 90% of your blog was about MS fanboys and the whole recent cloud computing articles.

And you came to this conclusion because of one week of news that was in Xbox's supposed favor? And I guess you have facts, studies and analysis's to back up these claims also right? I mean you have to since you and "EVERYONE" legitimately agrees with you.

So wait, if this was just about fanboys in general and not specific to any dominant group on N4G then you must have pulled a MS Too™ right? I mean you just only talked about MS and only gave examples of Xbox fanboys into a discussion that was suppose to be about all fanboys in general correct?

I already explained what I believe is the problem on this site in my "vicious cycle" analogy. When you see the next incoming bad news for MS story pop up I am 100% positive you will see frothing sony fanboy domination in each one of those articles. And you can bet your a@# you will see the loudest sony trolls getting bubbled up with well saids.

In my opinion and many others on this site and outside of this site, N4G at this moment is predominantly sony fanboy haven. Just because there is one week that the Xbox fanboys cries are louder than Sony's doesn't make it some magical balance of fanboys for this site.

Sorry if you missed that while you were focusing on the cloud computing only statements I wrote. But please keep on falsely accusing me of being off topic or deterring the conversation while cracking jokes about me being some psychologist, child or whatever else you like to come up with to pad out your responses and not talk about anything specific...hmmm, while accusing me of doing the same thing, interesting.

[GodGinrai]

"More SonyToo™ maniac?"

Hey um...Nice article.

How do you do the small "TM"? I always wondered how people do that.

[Nicaragua]

I dont think anyone was saying cloud computing cant be done, they were saying it cant be done for any kind of real practical application - and until MS answers these questions that Dragon has raised then it is still (at best) a tech demo or (at worst) a load of total bollocks just like Milo & Kate.

The onus is on MS to show it working in a practical gaming environment because they have a history of stretching the truth when it comes to stuff like this. Do you remember the Natal trailer showing the kid scanning his skateboard into a game? the promise of super AI in Milo & Kate? The promise of 1:1 motion in Kinect which is still not there in Kinect 2? How titanfall was going to use the power of the cloud for advanced AI but then it just turned out to be matchmaking?

MS need to stop announcing concepts as though they are feature just waiting to be implemented, and X1 fans need to stop buying into the hype.

As for why Playstation Now gets a free pass - its already existing proven tech. There is no need for them to show it working as its been seen before many time. Its not fantastical or overambitous, its just good for gamers to be able to access all those games.

[maniacmayhem]

I totally agree which is why I said this was a demo shown by MS. But why shouldn't MS fans be excited for this? Is it hurting you or any other person out there that they are?

Let them be excited for it.

I was excited for all the magical implementations I thought the WiiU gamepad would offer WiiU games. And so far it hasn't done half of what I expected it to. Oh well, moving on.

"Do you remember the Natal trailer..."

I remember all that stuff, trust me. You can probably find a comment of mine on N4G regarding it. If MS didn't announce any of this stuff then people would accuse MS of not showing anything. It's a double edge sword for them and especially on this site. If they don't talk about games then MS isn't game focused, if the do talk about games then it's all PR talk. You just can't please people like Dragon on this site.

Cloud computing is nothing new and has been done before too. And if it can be applied to games then why isn't that also good for gamers? Shouldn't we as gamers be hoping this is true since it would do nothing but improve games?

And yet we are more excited and giving a free pass for replaying and paying for old games?

I remember when I brought up to Dragon that PSNow is the first step to an all digital future and even asked him some Sony PSNow DRM questions of my own and he damn near tried to take my head off. Entertaining that he now finds it that I am stopping him from asking questions or speculating.

[MRMagoo123]

"I remember all that stuff, trust me. You can probably find a comment of mine on N4G regarding it. If MS didn't announce any of this stuff then people would accuse MS of not showing anything. It's a double edge sword for them and especially on this site" proving dragons blog right again hmmmm, you seem to be very good at that.

Also i might add the cloud demo MS showed didnt actually show anything at all for the use and application on the Xbone at all so it was nothing to get excited about for any xbone fan. The cloud compute will only ever be used for background tasks that are not latency sensitive, until the day we all have over 1gb upload download internet and every ones server is based 4 meters away from their house which is actually never. It just wont happen not this gen at least, so what reason do the xbone fans have to be excited again ?

The newest article on N4G is amd,intel and nvidia talking about the benefits of DX12 on PC and somehow that has been turned into an "xbone will be 2 times as powerful with DX12" article which is also complete and utter BS, all the "good" news for MS is either complete misinterpretations or straight up lies from PR. In case Xbone fans didnt realise this Xbone has already been using some components of DX12 along with DX11.2 which means for DX12 to suddenly make double the performance increase DX11 would have to have been one of the worst api updates in decades.

[rainslacker]

I'm an engineer, and would very much like answers to the questions that people are asking. From a professional standpoint, those are very important things to know to decide if it's worth learning more about how to make these types of applications for my future job security.

Luckily for me, I do have access to more engineering related forums where fan boy hypocrisy calling out is frowned upon, and I can tell you that people on those forums are asking some of the same questions. I've yet to see an official response. And there is doubt there. This demo isn't even as impressive as some things that NVidia demoed several years ago without bothering with the cloud.

I've yet to try and discredit the demo in question, but MS has not silenced the questions I have regarding cloud compute in game design.

More back to the consumer level. You say that these consoles are only out for 5-6 months now. This is true. But I say that games take a very long time to make. This past demo is an alpha stage demo, with absolutely no real world application being used by any developer to my knowledge.

What this means is that Xbox fans are going to have to wait for currently developed games to run their course and be released, then new games to be designed around these principals. This means that hopefully when those games get around to start development, the cloud solution is a viable solution for the developers to use. If it is, great. In about 3-4 years you will start seeing games using it. If it's not, then it will be even longer, as the cloud solutions are only used in ad-hoc mid-development applications not taking full advantage of it. This means 4-5 years before cloud makes it's way to games in what was shown in the demo. So I ask. Are you excited for something that you will MAYBE get to see in 3-5 years?

I hate to say this, but these kinds of things don't get shown one day, and then the next week they're available for use to the general development community. It can take years before the resources and API's and documentation become available for implementation. Multi-plats aren't going to bother unless Sony offers it's own solution. First party will be where it's shown first, and they have to deliver in a big way to get publishers to compete for those gaming dollars.

So my problem is not that it's not a viable solution, and the answer to the power discrepancy, but rather, how long are Xbox owners going to hold onto this just wait and see. It is entirely possible that by the time these particular solutions are released on a consumer product, it's highly likely next gen rumors will be popping up.

If I were an Xbox fan, and listened to MS PR at the reveal, I would be quite mad that they didn't have a more concrete solution close to ready to go. They sold the X1, in part, on the premise that the cloud could make it a much better system. But they're nowhere close to a practical consumer level solution, particularly not on the level shown in the demo. It's bait and switch at it's worst, and Xbox fan boys have been throwing this stuff in PS fans face since day one. When we question it, all Xbox fan boys do is cling onto MS PR, which is what some of us have been questioning since day one.

There are a few Xbox fans on here that I respect on this issue because they are optimistic, yet skeptical, and not using it as their reason why the Xbox is so awesome.

[DragonKnight]

Perhaps it is the manner in which you said it, but at least people are agreeing with what you've said in this comment, which is basically the same thing I said.

I didn't even want this blog to be about the actual cloud demo, just about the truth that certain articles will show fanboyism the best and that it's a flat out lie to claim that any one group of fanboys dominates the site. What some people fail to realize is that Xbox fanboys in Sony articles or vice versa isn't the best indicator of that because everyone could call them out on their behavior in those articles.

True fanboyism shows itself when the fanboys feel they can't be challenged and are comfortable, thus in articles involving what they are fanboys of.

[liquidhalos]

Didnt you read the the article? Why did you have to post that without reading the whole damn thing. You just proved DK's point.

[MysticStrummer]

@maniac - You say "All I took away from it was it can be done" but without more details it proved nothing of the kind. Where the server was, what kind of connection was used, and what specs the PCs had are all very basic pieces of info that MS could easily have provided. You don't need to be an engineer to understand them, and if MS is smart, and the answers to those questions "prove" the demo, then MS will release that info quickly.

As for the articles themselves, I see XB fans on here all the time claiming that any good XB news gets rejected. Assuming the demo was legit, it would seem to be good news, yet there it is in the top spot. Why wasn't the alleged PS Illuminati able to suppress this news?

@Wraith - "wake me up when you have a Sony article infested with Xbox fanboys"

As if that doesn't happen…?

[jessupj]

My gosh Maniac, you are so tedious.

You make a few great points, even if I disagree with them, but in the same comment you spout something utterly ridiculous like this gem.

"These are video games and just because I don't go bat sh#t crazy and point out flaws and automatically question everything these companies do doesn't make me a blind follower and it certainly doesn't put you in some smart circle."

My palm couldn't hit my forehead quick enough after reading that. When you don't question anything, a blind follower is exactly what you are. Just because you think gaming is unimportant doesn't make it any less true.

You can't seem to concede a single point anyone pro sony says. Not a single one. You are absolutely relentless, you just can't be argued with.

Why is it so hard to admit there are legitimate questions that need to be answered about MS's tech demo? Why is that so difficult for your ego. Just to let you know, it is possible to be both excited for and critical of it.

I do have to give you credit where credit is due though. Well done for not resorting to immature, personal attacks this time.

[ShinMaster]

You're being selective and obviously blind to your own bias. You probably think you don't have it, but it shows. Talking about "moving goalposts" when other fanboys do exactly that.

I also like how you say "SUPPOSEDLY overran with 360 fanboys" because you have a hard time accepting that fact.

You think N4G's community is terrible?
Go to other sites that use Disqus, for example, and you'll see a barrage of fanboys using terms like "Sony ponies", "paupers", "indiestation" etc with frequency.

You're on a site that allows "Sony fanboys are the worst" comment streaks and get plenty of agrees.
I mean, if this site was ran by Sony fans, then clearly, most of them would have stated differently. But no, the haters were the first to jump PS fans EVEN WHEN THE ARTICLE DIDN'T MENTION ANY PLATFORMS at all and got marked as Well Said. You know the article I'm talking about.

" Xbox fanboys parade and claim Sony has no games, the next minute Sony fanboys are frothing at the mouth at their many exclusives Sony provided. Sony fanboys are saying FF Vs. will never be multiplat, next minute Xbox fanboys are frothing at the mouth that Square announced it would go multiplat. "

Yes and you kinda proved Dragon's point.
Whoever has the upper hand is most likely to be the loudest. It may seem to you that more recently N4G is being overran, monitored and ruled by the oppressive PlayStation elite, but that's because Sony/PS4 has been in a positive light for months. PS4 no longer suffered many of the same limitations that affected the PS3, powerful and at a good price.
If PS4 and Xbox One swapped places, you honestly think that Xbox fanboys would not be talking about hardware or better multiplats like they have before?

Sh*t, I still remember the time that Forza 3 Ultimate edition was announced. A lot of the comments criticizing it were being made by actual Forza fans who felt cheated out of extra content, and they all ended up marked for trolling. Xbox fanboys pretty much ended up attacking themselves at the slight bit of criticism that was welcomed elsewhere on the internet.

[MRMagoo123]

I always get a good laugh when people say this is a Sony run site yet the sony fanboys get marked as trolling often and the worst sony fans have 1 bubble just like the xbone ones, it just seems the xbone fans like to try to play the victim here when things dont go their way and that is all there is to it imo.

[aragon]

I'm not a bubble king but I agree with you in saying there's too much double standards on this site, by both xbox and Sony fanboys, eg. Resolution and fps debates, ms showing demos is received as crap on here, Sony showing demos is the coming of heaven. Ms rep system crap, Sony doing a survey about it equals good, xbox fans always saying ps4 has no games when in reality I think ps4 has more games, there indies but still games, xbox getting indies xbox fans happy. See what I mean. The thing about this website why people would think its Sony biased is this, one bad ms article with 90 comments can be the hottest on here, while a bad Sony article 200 comments will not be so hot or nicely tucked away somewhere, I only see mods on here in comments when a bad Sony article is getting comments yet when it's an ms article and it's covered in comments from Sony fans there's no mods so that's a reason people think this site is biased. Ms lies and Sony lies and the only people that don't realize are fanboys, I think once we all drop the immaturity and play games this site will not have a fanboy stigma attached to it.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Let the Ch1ps,.. fall where they may.

http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

[Batnut00]

To me, it's all a matter of psychology. When one troll of a specific brand sees that his particular console is coming out with "gamechaning/successful&q uot; news, they will go absolutely bat-sh$#t crazy, and it get worse when they see the competitive brand going through a bit of trouble no matter what the news and will do everything in it's power to flaunt it to the world thanks to the World Wide Web. Before this whole next-gen started, I think everything was pretty even in terms of trolling deals, no one particular group of trolls was out-trolling the other but than the PS4 reveal came around, and than the whole controversy with Adam Orth, and than finally...The Xbox One reveal. Naturally, this not only lead to the rise of the frothing at the mouth sony fanboys but they would be joined by the legion of Xbox fans who felt spurned by everything that Microsoft had done, leading into a culmination of hate that could either be taken as something beautiful or truly frightening. I did not envy anyone from microsoft that day. Combined that with the staggering sale of PS4 and this leads to the biggest rise of Sony Fanboyism I have ever seen in quite some time.

However, it definitely lost the edge when Microsoft listened [for the sake of money and consumer-support] and reversed everything, a smart move on their part as their console has been doing pretty well itself in sales and Xbots claiming Titanfall as the revolutionary new shooter heading their way and pointing at Sony's gameslist of Indies as a fault[it's not] But now, with all the bad press surrounding Sony in regards to it's studio layoffs and higher-ups leaving, I'm def seeing a trend of fresh Xbots rising up in response, even moreso after the whole Cloud/Direct thing like you said.

I know Xbots like to claim it's payback for everything Sony Fanboys have done over the past couple of months but frankly that's idiotic, if they really wanted to be the better gamers they would just walk away, not encourage it, or are they forgetting all the crap they put Sony fans through from the PS3 reveal to the PSN shutdown. Sad to say, I don't see this happening on both ends so, the only thing I can do is sit back, pull out some popcorn and enjoy the fact that I have two next-gen consoles and an awesome generation of games waiting for me while chuckling at the idiots that currently rule the comment sections.

[Bladesfist]

It is simply crowd psychology. Whichever crowd is biggest will be able to abuse N4G's agree / disagree system and via that you can change popular opinion and perception of the site.

[iceman06]

I would also add that the crowd is determined by the current "hype" factor. Which ever console is considered to be the "leader" is the one who's fanboys will scream the loudest. That mob mentality emboldens even the fence sitters to walk across and become part of the vocal majority. Only because they don't want to be seen as being on the "losing" side. Sad...but very true.

[MidnytRain]

Why I don't understand is how someone can say that the PS4 is obviously more popular than the X1, then say that's implausible a gaming website is overflowing with PS4 fans.

For what it's worth, I don't think I've seen any Xbox fans around here with with 7+ bubbles...

[MRMagoo123]

odd cos there is one just below you, nice try tho huh.

[MidnytRain]

What do you mean "nice try"? It's not like I have a good reason to think he's a fan of a one thing or another.

[Fireseed]

So you wrote a blog about fanboys... being fanboys... Birlliant.

Who knew that fanboys would defend there system of choice regardless of logic? I mean next you're going to tell me that robbers steal things. Or even murderers kill people. It's just what they do. Just ignore them like the feces smeared mongoloids they are.

But if that's common knowledge, the only point I can derive from this blog being written is that you were frustrated that there was anyone in this cloud demonstration article who didn't outright question and doubt every single thing the demonstration showed. You also seem to be pretty upset about "inconsequential comments from "Sony fans" being marked for trolling"

In fact with that entire mid section of your blog going on and on about the merits of the cloud technology, to me it just looks like you want to extrapolate your opinion on this matter for the whole site to see. But I'll break it down really easy when someone says:

"urwifeminder: Loving this cloud tech as they streamline and improve it will be very useful, glad to see so many interested in this future tech."

It's perfectly ok that they didn't question cause they wanted to voice their excitement about seeing a technology develop. Sure you may disagree with their opinion and lack of scrutiny but that's just it... a disagree.

But when people post things like

"Father_Merrin: look at all the cloud support' but nothing to show for it' poor babies"

"GraveLord: I guess now that Titanfall is released, they have nothing else to hype but magical clouds."

Or even...

"DragonKnight: What's truly disrespectful is your use of a legendary wrestler's name in such a manner, and also your complete lack of respect for basic intelligence."

It's outright trolling and rude by attempting to call other people out for not feeling the same way you do. Comments like these are meant only to antagonize people and sometimes even personally attack others. They're usually only made by the lowest form of scum on this site but hey at least no one in that article acted disrespectfully and then went on to write about how few disrespectful people like them ar... Oh.

[Kavorklestein]

Brilliant. At least^ this guy gets it. :)

[Meep]

we have a winner.

[randomass171]

Dunno if this is something that's common, but some time ago DK actually referred to me as ignorant because I did not agree on his opinion about a game not long ago. The game in question was for Xbox One. I'm primarily a PS1/2/3 gamer with some 3DS and PC on the side right now (I want a PS4 and a Wii U as well) and I don't really have an interest in Xbox One, and yet I was considered ignorant for trying out Titanfall for Xbox One and really liking it despite not caring much for shooters anymore, or rather because I did not see it as a Call of Duty clone (which is a subjective opinion). I don't enjoy seeing fanboy arguments. It's just a petty excuse to sling mud at each other and berate each other simply for not agreeing.

Making a blog criticizing this kind of behavior is well and good, but not when the author himself partakes in that sort of behavior without even bothering to acknowledge it. The truth is this that Xbox One fans had a reason to get excited for their system. Rather than berate them and try to downplay their joy, I actually was happy for them in spite of not really wanting an Xbox One. Insulting someone for getting excited about this cloud technology is no more intelligent on your part than telling someone they're ignorant for liking something.

Anyway, sorry for the long post. Just my two cents on the matter. This blog would have been better if not for the behavior of the person who wrote it.

[PrimeGrime]

Probably should have just left it at the last paragraph, somewhat contradicting saying all that beforehand then stating this. In a sense that you were calling out fans, that call out other fans.

"this site isn't overrun by a specific type of fanboy, but that fanboys of all kinds are here, they're loud, and they are just waiting for that one story, or week of news, where they can be as obnoxious as they can get away with, all while the other side is saying this site is filled with rabid _____ fanboys and complaining about censorship and biased mods."

I completely agree on that specific part. I really wish people would just understand that and stop calling out fans period, as all the jerks here on n4g all act the same regardless of what system they support more.

[DragonKnight]

I merely used recent events as a framing device, because even if there were a straight month of the kind of behavior I talked about, the opposite would still be claimed.

[BBBQ_BYOBB]

The worst kind of fanboyism is the hating of other platforms. There's nothing wrong with liking/preferring a console/pc, it's just really obnoxious when these kids get on and hate consoles or exclusive games they don't have.

[-Foxtrot]

You know I get called a Sony fanboy or a Xbox bashing troll just because I point something out about MS

Phil Spencer has been in overdrive recently and as you've said I can't believe people are idiots buying every little thing which comes out his mouth.

With Microsofts PAST actions thats what I base my comments on, give me a reason why I should buy into his statements when it comes off like he's just telling people what they want to hear to buy more Xbox Ones.

Seriously I get more people ATTACKING me with off topic comments then proper feedback.

Then you get the "Your on every article" speech when they make you out to be a guy who goes to EVERY article and goes "XBOX SUCKS ASS HAHAHAHAHA", I mean at least I plan a well thought out comment.

Seriously I'm a gamer, but I'm a gamer with common sense and remembers when he's been burnt before by a company.

If Sony is getting less criticism from me then they obviously are doing something right....when they mess up then things will change.

[Kavorklestein]

Bullshit.
Sony messed up plenty of things with the ps3, and they blamed lazy devs. Just because some devs were able to make the PS3 shine, doesn't stop it from having a flawed launch, and the first two years of AAA PS3 gaming was practically nonexistent. (Maybe that's why Sony had to finally give some good exclusives at the end?) The Xbox one has it's problems sure, but seriously, it doesn't even really matter, especially when history shows that it's not all about power, and that a launch doesn't define a console. ESPECIALLY when we look at the PS3 compared to the Wii U and Xbox one.

[-Foxtrot]

"Sony messed up plenty of things with the ps3, and they blamed lazy devs"

...and thats why I didn't really like them back then, I kind of supported Microsoft more because they were doing more things right but Sony then quickly turned things around and now look at them.

[Fireseed]

Here I'll break it down really easy for you to understand why you're called a fanboy, and thankfully you provided the perfect evidence for it right in your comment.

"Seriously I'm a gamer, but I'm a gamer with common sense..."

Or even

"If Sony is getting less criticism from me then they obviously are doing something right..."

Right there. This right here is why you're berated as much as you are. Your smug, self righteous, passive aggressive attitude you make in almost every one of your comments. It's the thought you have when you post that you are the end all be all adjudicator of what's right and wrong.

[Volkama]

I'm promoting you to... Something better than the typical commenters on this site. Keep up the good work.

[-Foxtrot]

How do comments like that make me have a smug, self righteous, passive aggressive attitude....if you think that then thats your fault for perceiving it that way

Saying Sony is doing something right and thats why they get less creitisim from me is not smug nor it's self righteous or aggressive so please stop making shit up.

I mean you cut a bit of my comment to make it seem worse then it is

EXAMPLE

"Seriously I'm a gamer, but I'm a gamer with common sense"

If it was JUST that then fair enough you have a point...OH....but wait theres more

"and remembers when he's been burnt before by a company"

I explained myself...oh and I never say once that I'm in the right so again top twisting it please.

Seriously if you want to reply fine but don't personally attack me in the process by making up shit to call me. You don't know me, you don't see me comment on your posts judging you.

[starchild]

@-Foxtrot

"How do comments like that make me have a smug, self righteous, passive aggressive attitude....if you think that then thats your fault for perceiving it that way"

Because you always state your opinions as if they were facts. You don't consider that other people may not hold your beliefs or assumptions about things.

On top of that you are overly negative about basically EVERYTHING. Especially if it is something not on a Sony console. I come onto N4G and click on an article about some game I am excited about and there you are bashing that game and acting like it's just a fact that it sucks. No room or respect for other opinions.

And this happens over and over again. I sometimes wonder if you even enjoy gaming at all. I see you all the time in PC articles, and Nintendo and Xbox articles, and most of the time you are just spewing venom or bashing those things that others enjoy.

I love PC gaming and I think it is by far the best platform to game on, but how often do you see me in a Nintendo, Xbox or Playstation article just hating? I'm not perfect by any means, but I say good things about all the platforms and I don't usually go out of my way to just bash something.

You do have some good insights on some things and I am sure you can contribute a lot, but you need to stop being so extremely negative about everything. Especially quit hating on platforms or games you don't have any interest in. Why is it so important to you that everybody else hates everything as much as you do?

I don't think you or the rest of the Sony fanboys understand what it is like for people to come on N4G and have the majority of the community here just constantly bashing the games or platforms they love. It needs to stop. N4G is a fantastic site, but the community here is horrible for the most part. And what makes it even worse is the bubble system, which, sadly, allows the majority to further silence and marginalize fans of other platforms.

[GodGinrai]

"Because you always state your opinions as if they were facts. You don't consider that other people may not hold your beliefs or assumptions about things. "

To be fair I would say we have all been guilty of this at some point.

[DoctorJones]

Fireseed is absolutely right. If you question why you get labeled as such you should just look at what you come out with. There's a lot of people that irritate me on this site, the writer of this blog for instance, but pretty much everything you come out with just grinds my gears.

As for the actual blog - 'So Apparently N4G Is Filled With Rabid Sony Fanboys?' - Well it is. You'd have to be blind or pretty ignorant to not see it.

I don't have an Xbox One, nor the desire to get one at the moment, but I don't feel the need to bash it at every opportunity. Which is not the same that can be said for the countless Sony fanbois who go into every single MS article with the sole intention of ridiculing and criticizing MS, their consoles and everyone who is remotely interest in MS products.

It's not just MS articles either, Nintendo or PC articles are also targets, MS just seems to be the main 'enemy'.

It's downright annoying to go into many articles on this site, it's the same people doing the same crap they do all day, circle jerking like their lives depend on it.

Yes you have fanbois of all different types on here, but there is one particular group of fanbois that are clearly more prevalent than any other. And they happen to be the very ones in the blog title.

[randomass171]

I hate to admit it, but that's true. I don't believe this is a Sony fanboy site, but there are some pretty badly behaved faboys from what I see in some comment sections, and the bulk of them tend to be Sony fans bashing other consoles, games or fans. Not to say there isn't bad behavior from the Microsoft, Nintendo or PC side of things, but the Sony side is definitely the loudest.

[Tommy_titfer]

A sniping childish blog to complain about fanboys just drags N4G even further down into the depths of the cesspit which N4G is known for around the internet and industry.

[Phil32]

Pretty much. Well said.

[RockmanII7]

I'm just saying, the fact that you have to go out of your way and write a blog N4G being run by sony fans proves that it is. I'm not saying Sony fanboys, but if you're not gaming on a PS3/PS4/Vita then you're in the minority here.

Just look at the GoTY awards from this year. 9 Awards went to TLoU, 4 more went to other Playstation exclusive things (Tearaway, Outlast, and two to the PS4 itself), and the final 4 awards went to multiplatform things that are all on PS3 (Blood Dragon, Battlefield 4, two for GTA5). If it didn't show up on Playstation, then it couldn't win any kind award. But please, continue your circlejerk of "Oh, us sony fans are so innocent and pure while those dirty nintendo/microsoft fans continue to ruin our site" while at the same time argue how it isn't any one groups site.

[fonger08]

lol love it... though I wouldn't just say minority, but down-right outcast here not playing on "those" systems.

[_FantasmA_]

Lets pretend this is football. Lets say I like FCB and you like Real Madrid. Nobody is going to say to stop being a fan and just like all the teams. Sony vs M$ is no different. Don't tell me to like M$, because I won't. Its a waste of time. You have to pick sides sometimes.

[randomass171]

It's not about what you like, it's about how you treat people who doesn't like what you like.

[LogicStomper]

I think it's about time I showed my 'characteristic generation' thought process to you, and to let you know why you've got at least one of the disagrees.

"Sony vs M$ is no different."

Why is it that you took your time time type out Sony but not Microsoft? Why is it not 'Sony and Microsoft' or '$ony and M$'? Lack of respect.

" Don't tell me to like M$, because I won't."

Now you are completely correct in saying that people can't force you to like Microsoft but, what is the underlying reason for you to refuse to like it? Is it because it's your favoured console's rival?

"because I won't"

To be specific, read this again. You don't want to like Microsoft because you just don't. It sounds ignorant such that, no matter what Microsoft do, you won't like Microsoft because of it's brand.

"Its a waste of time."

Back to the main point. Disrespect. You see, the problem with many of your comments is that you attempt to project your opinion onto the community. There's a difference between saying:

A) This product is crap.
and
B) I see this product is crap.

Example A is blatantly and disrespectfully projecting the idea of this 'product being crap' to the community trying to convey the universal truth of this premises.

Premises B is still disrespectful, but is only conveying the truth of this premises of your opinion.
So by saying " Its a waste of time", you're trying to speak for everyone, when you should only be speaking for yourself.

"You have to pick sides sometimes."

Definitely true, but I'd like to point out the keyword "sometimes". Now I'd like to show the failure of disanalogy in this quote.

In football, you choose sides because you want one side to beat the other. (take note of the previous sentence's idea). Now with consoles, what is the reason for choosing sides? Is it because you want one side to win? You see, the relevant disanalogy here is that with football, you WANT one side to win. With gaming consoles, you're only there to play the games, not hope that said company wins.

Now you probably haven't noticed, but I'm building up the characteristics that define you. Here is everything I've analysed about your comment mushed together into what defines you:

1) Lack of respect for Microsoft by not having the decency to type MS or Microsoft, while typing Sony in full.

2) Ignorance. You just refuse to like Microsoft, just because.

3) Attempting to project your opinion as a universal fact.

4) Interpreting consoles as a 'football' situation, where you pick a side and hope they win.

Now to add this all up,

lack of respect for Microsoft +
Ignorance (refusal to like Microsoft) +
Making your opinion look like a universal fact +
Seeing consoles as a 'one has got to win' situation
= You tell me the answer.

[zero_gamer]

http://n4g.com/news/1487438...

Some favorable commenting on an Xbox One article, something that does, indeed, happen on N4G.

EDIT same with this http://n4g.com/news/1487279...

[corvusmd]

Actually yes, this site does have a large number of Sony Fanboy trolls. (Since you bring it up). True, both sides has it's fair share of morons (to which at this point a Sony Fanboy will take it upon themselves to call me one), people are not perfect...we all say stupid things from time to time, myself not excluded.
Truth is I love all game consoles and PC. I own a PS4,PS3 WiiU, XB1, 360 and a PC currently that I play games on I've owned all Nintendo Systems except the Super NES, all Xboxs, and all PSs (and a dreamcast). I can see why on this site sometimes when just looking at a single comment of mine, people will think I am an Xbot, often times on this site I feel that XB1 gets it's unfair share of criticism and when it has positive news it doesn't get it's fair share of praise (it's usually met with unfounded criticism, skepticism, and general hate that wouldn't be given to any other system). I find myself trying to defend the XB1 (not meaning that I hate other systems), and often times I point out the hypocrisy of many of the criticisms.

Truth is I am not a fanboy, but because of the times that I do that, I have been labelled one...so be it, I don't get my sense of self-worth from strangers on the internet, and I still know that in fact I will play whatever game interests me regardless what system it's on and regardless of what people that don't know me call me.

I don't think MS is the Devil and that Sony isn't infallible. They are both just companies that aren't perfect, but do a lot of things that I like. What tells me that this site is dominated by trolls of the Sony variety is that 9 times out of 10, members with 1 bubble are people that simply like Xbox...regardless of what they are saying and no matter how politely they say it, will get down-voted like crazy. There have been countless times on this site that I have posted nothing more than how excited I was that XB1 was doing something that I liked...and instantly was met with loads of downvotes...then surrounding my comment is some of the most trollish pro-sony/anti-MS comments I've seen...heavily upvoted, for a well know troll with 5-8 bubbles. THAT's how I know that on this particular site, Sony Trolls outnumber XB1 trolls.

I also feel that your opinion piece is in fact rather anti XB1/Pro Sony Trollish. Your language draws skepticism and belittlement to Xbox fans based on your own personal opinions. Your constant use of words like "apparently" and "sketchy" show your true feelings....as if Xbox fans are simply stupid and buying into everything without asking the same questions...and pretending that Sony fans wouldn't be just as happy if the news was the opposite way and the site was filled with "suck it xbots, PS4 will always dominate, xbox was doomed from the start". I also take issue with you saying that the same article was spaming the headline bar. Many articles were from the same conference, but were not the same article. ESRAM, Cloud Demos, DX12, New unannounced games and studios, April Update, 360 Emulator, and a New head of Xbox are not all the same thing. There is just a lot of XB1 news lately...so why is it "spam"? Typically the headline bar is filled with Sony articles, why is it that now it's the other way that it's an issue?

I will grant you that lately the level of "trollisim" is evening out, but it is still heavier in Sony's favor on this site. As MS continues to strive to get better, there are some Xbox fans that are getting much more "confident", but don't think for a second that Sony fans are all angels just sitting by pretending they are happy that MS/XB1 are constantly striving to be better.

[Swiftcricket]

Even as someone that prefers Playstation over Xbox, I think there probably really is more Sony fanboys at the present time but there's definitely plenty on the Xbox side as well. There has been a few articles, though few, where there were legitimate non-fanboy comments in Sony's favor getting disagreed to no end while the Xbox fanboy comments were overwhelmingly agreed on. But like I said, I still believe that the opposite is more often the case.

The favor tends to lean in the direction of which company is making the better moves at the current time judging from this site's history. Which is why this site was overrun by Xbox fanboys a few years ago and was unpleasant for Sony fans, back when Sony was screwing up before they straightened their act up.

I wish everyone could just be accepting of others opinions but that will never happen. If you're a true gamer, you'd want every company to do well, not just one. You don't want to see what would happen if one or the other went down.

[PudgeySan]

How racists towards fanboys, My favorite is always seeing fanboys calling other fanboys fanboys. Look this whole site is full of fanboys and whatever system is in the lead in sales tends to have the majority because they are the majority (Thanks captain obvious) This is so looked over it's not even funny. Look. If you own an Xbox One and your passionate about it. That's cool just as PS4 owners are as well. Next time you get offended do this.. walk away from your laptop. Turn on your console. Click on Netflix or you favourite game, Shut the fugg up and enjoy regardless of the resolution. In the end it's about your experience.

[TotalSynthesisX]

But that would be the logical, courteous course of action -- something that the vast majority of this site's users never follow. It's like there's this little voice in their heads that say, "Bro, stop enjoying your console of choice and get on the internet and bash the other one immediately!" It's as if they believe that it's impossible to like one console and not actively hate on the other. I like my Xbox One and Wii U but that doesn't mean I hate the PS4. Whatever floats your boat, y'know?

Sigh. Either way, it's not going to change. People are going to be jerks if they want to.

[pyramidshead]

Xbox fanboys are just in for an extremely long generation. They're already rubbed the wrong way and passive aggression is there. They will latch on to anything that remotely means goods news for the 'bone without even thinking about it or investigating. Must be tough coming from an incredibly strong gen where the 360 had many strengths to tout about on many internet websites and forums.

Want to know why certain people on here, mainly playstation preferred gamers, know how that's already true? Because they went through that last generation so technically they know better and quite rightly so. 360 knocked playstation off the top spot, now playstation has knocked Xbox off the top spot. It seems the Xbox folk are suffering a bit from Stockholm syndrome some what and the narrative doesn't make sense when they don't even seem bothered about the situation...

For an example:
Worst multiplats were on PS3 last gen and it struggled with games due to exotic architecture. Despite people defending it, people knew it sucked and differences were blown out of proportion. 360 reigns supreme in a fashion.

This gen it has totally reversed but the thought process of some rabid posters that they can use the same excuses as playstation fanboys used last gen is nonsensical.

PS3 to PS4 goes from bad to good
360 to 'bone goes good to bad

That's a fact, so how diehard MS fans can perform such mental gymnastics to some how ignore this and wash over it just because "psfanboys did it last generation" is laughable. I'd be p*ssed!

I honestly can't wait for the cloud PR nightmare they'll have later on in the gen. The cloud was touted and implied that it would improve all games on Xb1, graphics and all and as it slowly comes out it's only going to be affecting online multiplayer games. I mean let's face it, if it did affect single player only games as well ONLY the people who have fast enough internet connections will get to play the suped up cloud powered edition while others get the bog-standard offline edition, splintering the install base.

We're in for a wild ride and it's going to be bumpy for some.

[AceBlazer13]

I think Xbox fanboys should stop trying to play the bullied minority role.When in actuality there's 1 for every 'sony fanboy',I use that term loosely because anyone critical towards microsoft is a sony fanboy apparently.N4G is crawling with Xbox fanboys they just began lurking in the shadows a couple months back,they still pop up whenever a glimmer of light comes their way.

Oh and another thing, sure N4G isn't perfect.The bubble system is retarded, some of the mods irk me etc. But I'll be damned I love the site, so it really irritates me when people try to make N4G ,specifically ,out to be this Sony haven when the internet is the exact same.From YouTube to Facebook to Twitter to IGN, the internet is simply pro sony. Deal with it and stop playin victim.

[NeloAnjelo]

When I joined this site it was filled with people bashing the PS3. People tend to forget that a few years ago N4G was said to be an XBox fanboy site.

If there is any hate for the XBONE, it's MS's own doing.

[starchild]

No, this actually isn't true. It's something Sony fanboys began saying last generation to kind of make an excuse for their horrible behavior, but it was never true.

As long as I have been visiting this site (since 2005) Sony fanboys have always been the loudest and most numerous. If you go back to around the launch of the Xbox 360 it seems that there was a more even number of Xbox and Playstation fans, but that was when there were a lot fewer users on the site in general.

Sony fanboys might see that period as being overrun with Xbox fanboys simply because the Sony fanboys weren't so easily able to push people around due to the more even numbers on each side, but it most certainly was not overrun with Xbox fanboys.

PC and Nintendo fans have always been fewer in number on N4G.

I don't hate any of the platform holders. I don't own a Nintendo or Xbox console this generation, but it's not because I hate those companies.

Your last sentence could just as easily be used as an excuse to hate on any of the platform holders, but in reality I don't think any of them deserve outright hate.

Companies offer different products and we are free to purchase them or not. It's clear to me that some people have such an attitude of entitlement that they think the world owes them something--that people or companies owe them something.

These companies don't owe you anything, and you don't owe them anything. They use their resources and best judgement to create a product that they believe will appeal to people and you are free to buy the product or not. You don't automatically owe them your money and they don't automatically owe you exactly the product you desire.

[Ethereal]

Everything above is going to be the downfall of the industry. *goes back to playing games instead of arguing about them*

[DangerousDAN]

I don't own either system and don't care to right now. My brother owns the xbox one, which i've played plenty of and don't care much for it, but that's as close as i get to the current-gen. But, the only thing I see as the top news are articles talking about how the PS4 is miles better than the XBOX1 performance-wise. All the damn time. Yeah, it's true, it's so obviously true, but at times I just go, "man, enough already, how many times are they gonna' talk about the same thing?"

So, I don't know where you're noticing all the xbox love here, because all I see is the exact opposite.

[BillytheBarbarian]

I'm proof enough that this site is full of Sony fans. I'm down to one bubble for too many positive comments about Xbox.

[BillytheBarbarian]

Hahaha I have 2 bubbles now? Haven't been around in awhile

[matrixman92]

i own ps4 and xbox one...whatever happens happens for me. Just give me cool games and I will be happy, which I have gotten so far with DR3 and infamous

[GodGinrai]

pretty much my stance. I dont feel a need to pick a side since I have both.I also have a Highly capable PC. who ever wins this cycle wins.All I know Is I wont miss much. I wont be looking at any game and saying " I cant play game that because I dont own a platform that can play it". ...well... I still need a nintendo.

[Team_Litt]

Lol @the complaints about Xbox fans getting well saids...did I wake up in opposite world again?

[Smokeeye123]

n4g is a pro-sony website, that's just how it is. Most of the internet is though. Sony's demographic is the forum dwellers and internet game fans. Xbox appeals more to the 'bro culture' frat boys and athletes of the world.

[TongkatAli]

Generalize more. It doesn't make you look ignorant at all.

[Smokeeye123]

Generalizations and stereotypes are formed because there is truth to them. Do you honestly disagree with my assessment? Mostly every seemingingly neutral gaming site is pro-sony. Only the xbox centric sites lean xbox (obviously).

Why do you think this site is not pro-xbox? Because more sony fans go n4g.com. It's pretty easy to understand...

[Ducky]

... and PC gaming's demographic is truck drivers.
Or it seems like it because they're always talking about their rigs.

[CrossingEden]

Yes, yes it is. It's no secret that ps4 fanboyism is the most prevalent thing on this site. Hence the reason it's not taken seriously by the other big hitter sites like neogaf. Moving on. ಠ_ಠ

[GodGinrai]

LOL, they have all kinds of names for N4G members on the gaff...

[LoveOfTheGame]

DK, you know this site is more dominated by sony fanboys. Does that mean there aren't a few xbox fanboys, of course not. It can easily be shown by looking at the users of this site objectively.

There are people like Maria and green, both at their respective ends of the fanboy spectrum, and each have one bubble/get banned.

Then the next tier would be those who do find it necessary to bash Xbox or PS in almost every article, while clearly having an allegiance to the opposite console manufacturer. This includes people like truefan, Xboxfun, Heavy, newmonday, and foxtrot. truefan and xboxfun each have 1 bubble, while the others of 5+. This area is the most unfair as it is a little more grey than the first tier so it is not always seen as trolling and shows where this site stands on the side of fanboyism.

Second to last tier are people who generally make intelligent comments, but have a clear favorite of the two main consoles and only bash once in a blue moon(pent up frustration lol). These people, while having their favorites, don't pledge allegiance to them while still keeping objective opinions. This group inculdes Maniac, the original poster DK, Lucas, and myself. I'm fairly certain this group has close to 0 trolling markdowns, unless DK made enough people mad enough in one of his blogs haha. This group I could easily call fanboy bashers, as most of the negative comments are made towards the people in the groups above rather than bashing the console themselves.

Last tier include people, whom I believe, that are the most objective of all. They may have a favorite, but do 0 bashing of the opposite console and only care about the topic at hand. The only two I can think of that come close to this point are Septic and cgoodno. I have never seen these two make any type of comment that could even be close to fanboyism and usually stride for logic and civility more than anyone else on this site.

Finally, DK, love your articles(usually), but you tend to have the same flaw with the comments section. When someone comes in and disagrees with your opinion, you try to discredit them rather than creating a valid counter argument to the points they bring up. It is the only reason I really see you get as many disagrees as you do.

/end rant

[karim]

I own both an Xbox 360 and a PS3..and I use and love my PS3 more than my Xbox but seriously, some fanboys here really make me embarrassed being a Sony fan myself..From what I've seen here, most articles here are dominated by Sony fanboys..So yes, N4G IS filled with rabid Sony fanboys.

[Phil32]

This blog epitomizes a large problem with N4G and the majority of its users-- fanboys defending fanboyism while attacking other fanboys. It makes the industry look immature, which it is. Congrats.

[DefenderOfDoom2]

hey DK , first, i just want to say thanks for all the comments. I have been reading your post for 2 years now, and i just joined the N4G community last weekend. I am going to try to put a positive spin on this topic. Before i go any further my head is spinning from reading all the comments above me! Thank you everbody and i mean that in good way! So my take on a SONY fanboy or a XBOX fanboy is that they are still a fan ! And fans buy video games which give developers more money to make more games we can all enjoy! I really do not understand why fanboys attack each other or why they even exist. I am a UBER FAN of video games period! But fanboys do come up some entertaining comments. some fanboy comments makes no sense, but even those comments sometimes can be entertaining. So one thing we can all agree on -- Video games are meant to be fun. thanks again DG and the N4G community. By the way i know my post does not address the question you were asking. I am just trying to be postive. Happy gaming everyone

[hankmoody]

If you don't think this site is dominated by Sony fans, then I really don't know what to tell you.

[pakua]

We all know N4G is Sony land, I'm more pro-Xbox mainly because I support the underdog. I own both consoles and I play the Xbox more but it's not something I like to admit on here.

The facts are that the PS4 has a much bigger userbase than the Xbox One so statistics say that there are going to be a lot more Sony fans out there. Having said that, a large majority of these are douchebags who ruin the agree/disagree system.

It's so bad on here that if I read a particular article on ANYTHING I can tell whether someone has said something positive about the Xbox One because they will have more disagrees than agrees, without even reading what they wrote.

N4G is dominated by Sony fanboys, any positive Xbox news is immediately downplayed by Sony fans in large numbers. It's a sad state of affairs, there's really no need for these people to be so defensive or such big assholes but it's the way it is on here, don't be so blind.

[Agent_hitman]

I'm also one of the sony fans out there since 90' but it hurts me so bad that I'm also one of the victims of these rabid fanboys..

Just read this immature attack from a ps fanboy named @Lukas_japonicus

He even call me troll without stating any evidence.

http://n4g.com/news/1489551...

I'm starting dislike this site due to stupidity of PS fans in here. They only want to hear only positive things even if you post constructive criticism..

[No_Limit]

Agreed,

I even called him out on that thread for being a hypocrite for bashing you so he can defend a Sony exclusive while he bashed Tomb Raider Definitive Edition for the very same issue you had with TLOU remake on PS4. Those kind of forum posters like him are the kind that I really don't like as they pretend they are not fanboys and everything that they say is the gospel but they are the worst kind of fanboy.

[GarrusVakarian]

Woah woah.....i explained myself very thoroughly, clearly showing your "call out" to be nothing but an empty misread, yet here you are still boasting about it?

Thought you could hide away in the 2nd page of this blog and continue to post false crap? Nuh uh......

Seeing as you obviously didn't listen to me then, i'll spell it out again here for you now-

You accused me basically of giving a free pass to TLOU remastered for $60, but "bashing" Tomb Raider DE (which i didn't do, if you think saying i don't want to pay $60 is bashing, then you need your head checked) for the same reason, did you not? You tried to prove that with this comment of mine -

""No Discounts or Upgrade Options Will Be Available for Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition"

Then no purchase will be made by me for Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition. "

You then said this -

"Dude, you were the same person that said the Tomb Raider Definitive version is not worth the full retail price "

Nowhere did i say that Tomb Raider wasn't worth $60 and that my word is "gospel" i have my own personal opinion based on how much i like that game, which is what EVERYONE else is doing with TLOU remastered.

I even asked you if you would be so kind as to make as much effort to find another one of my comments from that same time period where i specifically say that it's up to the individual whether or not they wanr to pay $60....just like i am saying now with TLOU remastered.

So yeah, called out again for twisting my words and attempting to call me out. But i will say one thing....i do apologise to Hitman, i think i made a mistake in calling him a troll, i just assumed, with his short comment, that he was trolling TLOU remastered and i will reply to him directly via PM apologising.

As for "Those kind of forum posters like him are the kind that I really don't like as they pretend they are not fanboys ".....I don't pretend about anything, ive said multiple times that i gamed on 360 primarily last gen, i have over 100k gamerscore, i paid £350 for an X1.....i haven't turned on my PS4 in over a week...Sony fanboys WOULD NOT do those things. Do i prefer Sony and Sony owned studios? Hell yeah. Am i vocal about it? Hell yeah. Do i openly show my dislike/distrust for MS? Sure. But i put games before anything, even my hatred for MS, so please don't throw around empty accusations just because i showed you up yesterday.