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Want to Stop the Console Wars? Lobby for Keyboard and Mouse Support.

Michael Futter writes: One of the things that has bothered me since I was young has been the phenomenon known as “console wars.” The Mario versus Sonic debates of my grammar school playground gave way to bickering over CDs and cartridges when Sony entered the market. Now, we largely have the same games to play with simultaneous day and date releases (with red blood for all!) and people still spend time complaining on message boards rather than actually enjoying the entertainment.

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djcitizend4536d ago

The biggest problem with the PC gaming market is the constant need to upgrade. With a console, there is no costly upgrades needing to take place every 6 months because your machine can't handle the newest games. If it wasn't for Steam, I doubt a lot of people would even bother with PCs anymore, save your WoWs and StarCrafts.

Still, I too am sick of console fanboys. :)

PaladinXII4536d ago

I agree, it's the one thing that will always separate the two spheres. I hope that the way I addressed it in the piece made sense.

I think if I were a hardcore PC gamer, my wife would kick my butt out the door for constant upgrade OCD.

Persistantthug4535d ago (Edited 4535d ago )

Actually, CCP fairly recently announced keyboard & mouse for PS3 exclusive, DUST 514.

UNREAL TOURNAMENT 3 (PS3) also had KB/M support as well as a couple MMO's.

No offence PaladinXII, but it seems as though you don't have all of the appropriate information regarding this particular topic......so it seems

PaladinXII4535d ago

I'm talking about widespread support for x-platform play. I'm not ignoring the few games on one of the two major systems that support kb/m.

In my opinion, though, they are the anomalies. The infrequent title supporting that control scheme doesnt mean we have a solution and it's barely a start.

In my piece, I talk about manufacturers encouraging widespread support of kb/m and how it will help.

I've thought out my points... have you actually read the piece?

camel_toad4536d ago (Edited 4536d ago )

As many first person shooters there are these days it would seem like a no-brainer. Mouse and keyboard works sooo much better for fps and rts games than a controller.

Daver4535d ago

When you buy a console you just dont want a keyboard and a mouse in my opinion.

Zha1tan4536d ago (Edited 4536d ago )

That is an exaggerated non true statement.

upgrades dont even need to take place yearly and a machine can still run better graphics than consoles for years to come seeing as low settings on PC are better than consoles and they can still process more.

With Consoles there is a need to upgrade to the latest piece of hardware every 3 - 5 years on average(even though the consoles are really being stretched this gen) and it is more expensive than upgrading any PC if you have half a brain.

I hate these rumours spread about how PC gaming is so expensive and the culprit always acts like you have to have a super powerful machine to run everything on max which is completely unecessary.

E.g to upgrade my PC for the next wave of high demand games all im going to need to do is SLI another GTX 580 which price wise has dropped significantly since the 600 series has released and right now has dropped £200 already and by the time I need to SLI it will have dropped in price again.

Besides for most PC gamers graphics are not the main attraction, only the PC noobs think that. FOr me its the servers, more players, more power so it can comfortably run massive games like MMOs, the freedom of control choice, The customisation of controls, Steam discounts, Sound quality etc.

There is no need to upgrade a PC for years if you are nto a graphics whore.

PaladinXII4535d ago

While the upgrade issue will remain up for debate, it isn't the focus of my piece. In fact, zeroing in on that singular issue is exactly the kind of thing I'm trying to help move the discussion beyond.

The_Nameless_One4535d ago

@paladinXII
No it's not a debate at all. You just have your facts wrong, period. Why don't you try owning one before posting utter lies.

STONEY44536d ago (Edited 4536d ago )

I haven't upgraded anything for over a year, still maxing out every game, 1920x1080, and 60fps. Even Battlefield 3 isn't really demanding, as I have that maxed out with 30-60fps. And this is all on a GTX 560 ti, a midrange GPU at the time released more than a year ago. The whole "6 month upgrade" thing is a myth. I'm not planning on changing my graphics card for a long time either, because I see absolutely no reason to.

Even though the upfront price is more than a console, you end up saving money through Steam sales and quick price reductions. Instead of waiting over a year for a console game to just drop to $20 on a sale, you can get a PC game for $5 during the same year. Deus Ex HR hit $10 on an Amazon sale during December, and it only released in August.

theeg4535d ago (Edited 4535d ago )

@djcit

lol....the consoles "needed to upgrade" years ago....

they just havent~

thats why on pc, bf3 can be played with 64-120 people

on console 12v12 is the max and its covered in jaggies, pop-in, screen tear

pc has 95% of all of consoles games

consoles have maybe 5% of pc's library of over 30,000 games

plus, the pc plays more console games than any console when you factor in emultion

i can play wii/ps2/ds/gba/n64/ps1/genisis /gameboy color/snes/nes/saturn/segacd/j aguar

every freaking console under the sun on my pc and soon ps3/360

you will say some crap like

"dude it will be 10 years before pc's can emulate ps3"

well, your dumb, the only thing stopping it is next gen not out yet, as soon as sony moves on to ps4, emulators will start to get underway for ps3

consoles should only last 4 years max

games look terrible on console today, sub-hd, jaggies

bad framerates

Blink_444535d ago

PC has 95% of all console games? What?

Persistantthug4535d ago (Edited 4535d ago )

theeg said,

"well, your dumb, the only thing stopping it is next gen not out yet, as soon as sony moves on to ps4, emulators will start to get underway for ps3"
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Well, since you make it sound so easy, Maybe you can speed up the process & make a PS3 emulator yourself.
Let me know when you're finished getting the whole UNCHATED SERIES UP & running on your PC.
Make sure you PM me, ok theeg? :)

The_Nameless_One4535d ago

In which universe do you need to upgrade your gaming PC every 6 months?

Boody-Bandit4535d ago (Edited 4535d ago )

The universe of clueless.

My rig will run all current games at max settings and will most likely be able to for a long time to come. I highly doubt even next gen consoles will even be able to push what my rig configuration is capable of right now. I am running dual GTX 590 Classifieds.

On topic: What will stop the console wars? Well I don't have a definitive answer but I have an idea. How's about the tabloid media stop feeding it and feeding off of it instead of writing nonsensical articles about it?

One thing is for sure. The devs and publishers have implemented the sell it now patch later mentality that existed for PC gamers since (nearly) it's inception.

Boody-Bandit4535d ago (Edited 4535d ago )

Disagreeing with a fact doesn't make you any less ignorant. Just thought I'd let you (you meaning who ever disagrees with what I wrote) know that.

I wont have to upgrade any time soon and not for a while to come.

The media does fuel the console/fanboy wars. Without them it would dissipate to next to nothing.

Next gen consoles wont be able to push what dual GTX 590's. Thinking otherwise is beyond ludicrous.

Devs do sell games they know are not 100% only to try and fix them via patches and updates later.

^All facts.

StayStatic4535d ago (Edited 4535d ago )

Only an idiot would believe this

Somebody4535d ago

I upgraded my CPU from an Intel Q6600 Quad Core (2008) to an i7 2500K (2011). That's a three year difference.

I upgraded from HD4870 in 2008 to a Geforce GTX570 just last year during a year end sale. Again, a three difference.

When did I ever upgraded every 6 months? I do buy some RAM every now and then but its more like over indulgence since most games have yet to fully support beyond 2-4 gb of RAM. Not to mention that RAMs are the cheapest upgrade any PC gamer could get regardless of budget.

In other words, I don't have anything else to upgrade anymore!

See my PC spec? They are not like those ultra expensive ones that benchmarkers use to benchmark. Even the motherboard is the cheapest one I could get without bottle-necking the rest of the system. A little bit of research could save you a lot in the long run. I could stay with the old PC but the advances in voltage and thermal control in current hardware (cooler and more energy efficient) is too good to pass up. One of my main beef with the older PC is how noisy the fans were to keep the temperature but it now my PC is so quite I barely know its even on at times.

Raw power is not the only thing I'm looking for in the latest hardware, you know.

Asgaro4535d ago

You don't know anything about PC gaming it seems.
Upgrading every 6 months?
More like every 2 years, you mean.

Hard74Core4535d ago

Having to update your Pc every 6 months is a myth. Buy a good machine and it will last you for years.

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ostgar4536d ago

PC isn't as bad these days - buy a system once every few years and you are good to go. If the devs would keep taking advantage of the hardware life would be perfect for those of us on the superior system. = P

LBD_Nytetrayn4536d ago

Consoles do seem to feel more and more like PCs without the kind of ease-of-use that keyboards and mice provide. Of course, 360 and PS3 do have those little keyboards which mount on the controller... those always seemed a little small, but are they practical for this?

At least the Wii Remote makes a decent substitute for a mouse (I'm assuming the PS Move as well, but I've not spent enough time with one to know; the people at the Sony Store couldn't seem to be arsed to even keep the thing charged, much less attempt to actually sell it to me).

Anyway, I don't think the console wars are ever going to end so long as there are games which one machine will play that others won't; if it were like DVD or Blu-ray players, among other electronics which have numerous brands all making machines which still run the same discs, then maybe it would end.

Then again, they tried that with the 3DO, and that didn't quite work out.

MrDead4535d ago

The PS3 can use USB mouse and keyboard, not many dev's support it.

Also you can do this http://www.youtube.com/watc...

PaladinXII4535d ago

What kills me is that in a piece about finding a way to move past the console wars, it seems that many of the people rushing to comment are just fanning the flames.

How about talking about ways we can all play together and enjoy the experiences the way we want to?

The derogatory comments, the flame baiting and the sweeping generalizations aren't helping... they are just sinking the discourse into the quicksand. Step back for a second, read the piece, think about how we can possibly find some common ground and then go back to playing games the way *you* want to play them.

Don't try to convince someone else that they are doing it wrong, you're just going to frustrate everyone.

Hicken4535d ago

Sadly, that's what N4G is these days. No one wants to concede that their console of choice has any faults, flaws, or issues.

There's a lot of common ground to be found out there, mostly about the games, themselves. Bubbles to you for trying to be a reasonable voice on a site full of unreasonable individuals.

SKUD4535d ago

IMO, life would be so much better for me if I could use my G13 game pad and mouse for Killzone 2. I'm a fan of the PS controller but it needs a slight redsign when it comes to playing FPS.

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Sonic18812d ago

Hopefully not a lot of remasters

Eonjay2d ago

Agreed, but if I could pick one game to remaster first it would be Killzone 2. If you had to pick one which would it be?

Mr_cheese2d ago

I know it's not the same but I'd love a reboot of resistance or warhawk

u-bEttA-rUn2d ago

If they announce Kill Zone 2 remake or resistance 2 that multiplayer would be crazy. But Warhawk I would cry like a 2 year old 😂😂😂 give me bloody roar

ravens522d ago

God of War 1-3, Ascension, Ghost of Sparta and Chains of Olympus all in One.

RaiderNation2d ago

I love Killzone, but I would prefer a complete reboot of the franchise, using the newest version of the Decima engine, rather than simply a remaster of part 2.

SimpleDad2d ago

Sony will not do Killzone 2 or any Killzone because they don't have plans for it in the future... No TV shows, no sequel, no Lego game, no multiplayer...

This is dead for Herman... Only Aloy.
And that's sad.

Zero hype for tomorrow.

Kingrizzy902d ago

legacy of kane, resistance, or just something totally new that hasnt been already done

Cacabunga2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Hopefully zero gaas, will show that they’re starting to reason!!!
And yeah the remaster trend must also stop.
PS5 exclusives or nothing go home

A new Killzone, Uncharted, Tsushima, inFamous, Resistance, Wolverine or something original single player.

CobraKai2d ago

Killzone 1. In think that needs a retelling

Profchaos1d 23h ago

I either want something from the infamous franchise or the cheeky answer is being lemmings back as that's now Sony

DarXyde1d 19h ago

Killzone 2 I think falls into remake territory.

I'll take a Warhawk remake or even a remaster but that's it, really.

Any remasters for a last generation game on a backwards compatible console is just insulting.

fr0sty1d 13h ago

If they do any online only live service stuff, give us MAG or Warhawk, games that actually perfected that formula.

Kurt Russell1d 11h ago

Wipeout Fusion
Kill Zone

Eonjay1d 5h ago

@Kingrizzy90

Wow. And it looks like you are the winner. Completely was not expecting that.

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IAMRealHooman2d ago

only remasters, even remasters of games that aren't even out yet

DodoDojo2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Wrong, there will also be a 2 minute snippet of Lego Horizon.

bloop2d ago

If they don't show something from a couple of their big studios after the absolute disaster they've had with Concord then I'll lose all hope. This generation has been a complete letdown so far and there's very little to look forward to at the moment.

RaidenBlack2d ago

Pretty sure : RE9, Days Gone Remaster, HZD Remaster, 1 last SH2 trailer, Wolverine trailer, Until Dawn trailer
Maybe(s) : GoT 2 announcement, DS2 (but already happening@ TGS), Pragmata, TLOU2 or SpiderMan 2 PC announcement,
Wishlist : Santa Monica & Naughty Dog's new project tease, Marathon gameplay trailer
Don't Want : Any AC Shadows trailer, Any more remasters other than the ones leaked

Eonjay2d ago

You really think that other remaster is Days Gone? And my God what happened to Pragmata?!?

seanpitt232d ago

It’s 30 minutes, I think you’re being optimistic there, don’t have high expectations, I know mine are the lowest they have ever been since what i have witnessed these past 4 years!

crazyCoconuts2d ago

Agreed w/ Sean. Keep expectations low.

Juiceup1d 17h ago

jfc what is this trash lineup Sony please

Rainbowcookie1d 4h ago

Injustice 3 I'm calling it 😃

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Christopher2d ago

Only 5 remasters. They had to cut back to squeeze in 1 new announcement. They will have another SoP next month to cover the other 12 remasters.

-Foxtrot2d ago

*monkey paw curls*

Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered

Gravity Rush 1 & 2 Remastered

Until Dawn Remastered

DarXyde1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

In the case of Gravity Rush, a remaster of a remaster that plays on PS5 now would be bizarre. Then again, so does Horizon.

This only makes sense if it means a PC release, but they still closed the studio and releasing this would be very poor taste.

potatoseal2d ago

I'm presonally looking forward to a Days Gone one. Would love any excuse to play that game again. I loved it

darthv721d 21h ago

Why wait for an excuse... just go play it now.

CobraKai2d ago

Im thinking showcasing Pro versions of existing games.

neutralgamer19922d ago (Edited 2d ago )

They could do a lot right by simply announcing a blood-borne remastered so many people have been waiting for it and they should not only bring it to PlayStation 5 but also PC

If they are all intent on doing a lot of remasters, how about doing some of the remasters from the games during the PlayStation 2 and three generation instead of PlayStation 4 games?

Can we get infamous collection? Can we please get Socom from the PlayStation 2 generation? Uncharted trilogy God of war trilogy twisted metal collection, kill zone trilogy, resistance trilogy some of these games they can simply just unlock online multiplayer. They’re only one need to do a lot of work and people would enjoy them

But instead, let’s just remastered the last of us horizon zero down the God of war 2018 this PlayStation Sony executive bosses are some of the most idiotic in the past 10 years

PlayStation has such a long history. They can simply do a lot of fun service and get so much positive PR but they keep making the same mistake again and again and again.

Rimeskeem1d 21h ago

I would honestly prefer remasters/remakes/reboots of games than GaaS they have tried to push.

TheEroica1d 20h ago

Release the remastered games on the sheep!

JackBNimble1d 18h ago

Hahaha... I was going to make the same joke.
That's all they have

INMATEofARKHAM1d 4h ago

Concord Remaster here we come!

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RaidenBlack1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

Lol, but like most I was expecting a 'Playstation showcase' but looking at how brief the Pro reveal was ... I am guessing these short State of Plays á la N.Direct style is how Sony is going to continue.
The next big PS showcase is gonna be the PS6 event. Till then all will be SoPs.

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Relientk772d ago

Hopefully there's good games, but we'll see. Going in with low hype, and I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

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