Cliffy B 'upset' by hateful 8/10 Gears of War 3 reviews

D'Toid Writes:

With any other videogame, scoring an 8/10 would be considered glowing praise. According to Epic Games' Cliff Bleszinski, however, that couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, according to him, anybody who dares give Gears of War 3 a score of eight clearly hates it.

[NYC_Gamer]

Its not hate could be they set the bar too high for themselves and expected more

[gamingdroid]

Cliff does have a point!

That said, it is a review and very opinionated. It could be a different reviewer than last time.

[LOGICWINS]

Yeah, he made a great point about sites that rated Gears 2 better than Gears 3...but as you said, it could have been a different reviewer. Cliff doesn't have to worry though, so far it seems that plenty of people LOVED the game.

A 9.5 from Gamespot is quite an honor considering how tough the staff is on games.

[-Alpha]

It sounds more to me that he was using the word very lightly, and Destructoid made it sound like he's very upset. He was asked the question and I found the answer "Good, though there are a couple of haters" to be pretty casual.

He never used the word "hateful" as if it was a genuine hatred. How many times have people casually thrown the word "haters" around? Doesn't mean that you genuinely think that people are being hateful.

Sounds blown out of proportion to me.

[LOGICWINS]

^^He did the same thing with Bulletstorm in an X-play conference. If anything it was a joke. He wasn't even actually mad.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[NiKK_419]

So what if they rated gears 2 higher than 3. How many times has that happened with other games? It's not because they think 2 is better than 3. It's about how much better 3 is over 2, and also... Time. Time can be a big factor in the rating of a game. 2 was better then, than 3 is now. It may not be true, but thats how it feels to most people when they have to put a rating on their review.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Cliffy has a point...and this is the problem with game site reviews in general these days. Consistency of review scoring. If you the reviewer feel the game is an 8 out of 10 on a personal level, but also concede its better than the previous iteration of the game which scored higher, I think both the reviewer and site have an obligation to their readers to give some consistency of scores. In this case if Gears 2 got an 8.5...and reviewer feels Gears 3 is an 8 out of 10 but it was better than Gears 2 ... then the Editor and reviewer should be conceding the points and at min. giving Gears 3 an 8.6 and possibly make the comments in the review as to why they scored it that way.

Again, I get reviews are personal opinion but for large sites there should also be a level of consistency and acknowledgement to your historical scoring as well.

[snipermk0]

"A 9.5 from Gamespot is quite an honor considering how tough the staff is on games."

Really now? Gamespot is Xbox central.

[LOGICWINS]

"Really now? Gamespot is Xbox central."

Thats why they've given 11 PS3 exclusives Editor's Choice awards right.

/s

[gamingdroid]

I think there is an issue with lack of standard guidelines of what criteria the reviews are based upon.

Without this, it is meaningless to talk about scores, because they aren't even comparable.

[buddymagoo]

GamingDoid

At the moment I don't think it will happen because games will lose points for lack of 3D, motion control and 5.1 dolby features.

Not saying it shouldn't happen though. Also I think the most pro-active way to look at a review is by a percentage of how likely it will be you will like the game. 80% to me is an 80% chance I will like the game and that the odds are I will like it and should buy it.

[kneon]

@Dlacy13g

The problem is that the criteria by which we judge games changes over time. Also when you rate a game you are rating relative to everything else you've played, even if it's only done subconsciously.

What was great 5 years ago may only be ok today. So maybe Gears 3 is better than gears 2 but the rest of the competition have moved further on ahead.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

@kneon you make a valid point about games from the past. Certainly a game say like the original Dues Ex won't hold up to today's standards but at the time certainly was cutting edge.

That said, 2 yrs on the same system is not some generational leap in time. The hardware is all the same on the 360. So in cases like this or say Infamous 2 where you see 2 or more of the games come out on the same hardware I do think you need to take consistency into account. If your reviewer is claiming to find Gears 3 better than Gears 2 on the 360, as a site you should be making sure the scoring reflects that. Just as is the case with infamous 1 & 2. Infamous 2 was most certainly a better game than 1 from story, voice acting, graphics and game play elements...and yet some sites gave #2 a lower score than #1? It just makes no sense and honestly makes me distrust those sites reviews.

[malol]

and 8 out of 10 is bad since ????

[darthv72]

so many times these words are taken out of context and made into something more than they need to be.

Thing is, you cant get what he is trying to convey through typed words. You would need to hear if there is emotion behind the phrasing to see if they should be taken one way or another.

People perceive things differently. Even if the person who said it is meaning it one way there will always be those who will see (and hear) it their own way.

8 out of 10 isnt bad. hell even a 7 out of 10 isnt bad. So much emphasis on numbers this gen is taking away from what the games were meant to do.

[evrfighter]

Jims gone from the sarcastic humor that I used to enjoy reading to just downright trolling.

Hes definitely a shadow of his former self nowadays. he must have hit hard times as I can see no other reason hes so desperate for hits.

[teething]

Cliif B is just as entitled to his opinion of reviewers as reviewers are entitled to their own opinions of his game. Neither are wrong.

[Ravens20]

He's just mad that his game is never going to get anywhere close to Uncharted 2 metacritic. Even though we all knew that was never going to happen to begin with. He's mad that "a clone" has outdone his game.

[ABizzel1]

I don't blame Cliffy. If I felt like I put in "A" effort on project in class, and I get a B-, I'm going to be pissed and want an explanation.

I hate when sites allow their so called journalist review a game when they already have an opinion of the game, because there's no way their review isn't going to be bias free. And as an editor that should be the most important thing they look at when reviewing a game. I think 1up magazine/ Famitsu have the best reviewing formula. Multiple people reviewing the same game.

[MaxXAttaxX]

Deal with it.

[JokesOnYou]

I think he was joking but either way just take the 8/10 and shut the hell up, we all know its a great game but he should know by now you cant please everybody. btw, Gears3 will be day 1 for me just like Gears1, and 2 were.

[ProjectVulcan]

Good game, good scores. But arguably as has been pointed out with time, the impact of the game isn't what the earlier games were in the series.

You have to expect the bar to be pushed upwards as you go along, it never stays the same. Even if Gears 3 is the best game of the series, that doesn't mean the standards by which it is judged are the same as what they were 3 years ago for Gears 2. Several games have pushed up that bar since then.

You have to redefine the level of scoring every so often a game comes along and moves the bar. A game might be as good as it gets for the period, defining a genre and deserving of a 10. 5 years later the same game turns up and it would be classed as derivative and dated. Thus it is not worth a 10.

[zero_cool]

That's why people shouldn't base their game purchasing dissensions on some journalists biased opinion.

[MostJadedGamer]

"Yeah, he made a great point about sites that rated Gears 2 better than Gears 3"

Its totally irrelevent weather Gears 3 is better then every way then Gears 2. You judge the game at the time of release or at the time you played it. Even if a sequel is better then every way then its predeccessor(which it should be) does not mean that it desrves a higher score.

So a reviewer could think that Gears is a better game then Gears 2 in every way, and still have been justified in giving Gears 2 a higher score because it was a better game for its time.

[pixelsword]

I'd just like to point out that when PS3 fans do this, it's considered "whining".

I don't like it when PS3 fans whine about scores (about the sites is another story; seeing that some sites are gunning for 360/PS3/PC/Wii games), and I don't take exception to Cliff, even though I think Gears will be a 10/10 myself.

[SilentNegotiator]

"Yeah, he made a great point about sites that rated Gears 2 better than Gears 3"
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So EVERY game should be assured a better score than its predecessor? Let's just give every game an infinity/10 from now on then. Would that make you and Cliffy D happy?

It's two years later. Maybe some reviewers just didn't feel Gears 3 was as mind-blowing these days as Gears 2 was in its time. 2 years make a huge difference in the gaming world.

Crying over an 8/10....this just further goes to show how screwed up this industry is, where every review score has to be a 9+ or else is biased (and "hate"ful) and 99% of reviewers give 95% of all game a 7-10.

MSN gave the game a 7/10....I guess Microsoft "HATES" its own games?
lol - Look out! Microsoft is biased against itself!

[JokesOnYou]

Yes it is "whining", thats why Id like to point out almost all of the Gears fans think its a good score and although it may be a better game then Gears2 he should just get over it, btw I believe he's already clarified it was a joke.

@silent, If your point is that there are too many folks crying about reviews then I agree, as for MSN its just 1 opinion and #1 MSN isnt your typical gaming review site, most gamers who put any stock in reviews prefer opinions from a few dedicated gaming sites+ overall meta rating #2 contrary to what anti-micro folks think micro is not some Borg-like corporation, it has seperation between departments, Ive seen plenty of bad reviews from staff in seperate areas like CNet for micro products, yet nobody loss their job, and why would they, fake reviews over time would only lower that part of the company useless because consumers would no longer trust their reviews meaning CNet and other sites like it wouldnt generate traffic and therefore lose money for micro as a whole. So much for those conspiracy theories.

[morganfell]

I have said it from the beginning and I will, to the chagrin of some, repeat myself. No written standards that are well defined, no editorial control to insure evenness among various reviewers means no validity of a review.

Whether that review is good or bad it is at the end of the day worthless and little more than a fanboy rant wrapped falsely in the cloak of respectability.

These sites such as IGN and Gamespot have force in the gaming world because gamers cede them that authority. If people, particularly developers are hating a review they should take pause and remember all of the exclusive material they provided said site. They helped make said site a power with some sway in the gaming world.

As regards this particular incident, Cliffy didn't seem to think reviewers were being unfair when they gave Gears 2 a 9.5 despite the through the wall grenade tagging, through the wall melees, roadie running and shooting, back flipping on to buildings and more on top of a netcode that could keep players in the game.

You can't have it both ways from a site, just like all major and most minor sites that have zero, absolutely zero standards. Reviews are for the most part utterly worthless.

[DMason]

Man, Jim Sterling needs to chill the feck out and quit whining. He's been complaining about this since he put out his review. A couple days ago the lead at Dice was perplexed by the 8/10 that jim gave the game, and Jim wrote an entire column justifying his score. He is the scum of the gaming industry, and hes a giant baby.

[trancefreak]

damn was typing and hit the back button.

Well Morgan my friend there is truth to that comment to an extent because I use to rely on gaming sites for a game I just might or might not purchase with some non bias validity.

But these days I cant realy trust any review but my own and if I know a title is my type of game I'll either play the demo or rent to make the decision of its worth.

If I would of listened to some these gaming review sites I would of bought some games I hated and bypassed the ones I actually liked depending on some one else s review.

This gen has had the most corruptly biased gaming journalism I have ever seen. People seem to pledging their love and allegiance to a singular entity and its sad.

I realize some games deserved what they got and people shouted that there was favoritism towards a single console game score that was just , but others got a turned cheek when it came to the same or worse issues.

I'll judge whether a game is good or not but I don't like to see some companies make a fantastic game just to get docked for certain issues and it hurts the developer that made the game financially because of a major site feels a certain way.

[jessupj]

Well said morgan.

Most reviews I've seen this generation have been a personal opinion, that is, handing out a score whilly nilly based on what they just happen to be feeling at the time. That isn't fair to the developers, and it isn't fair to gamers and consumers.

ALL reviews, should instead, be a professional opinion, marking the game against pre-established standards. It's what virtually EVERY SINGLE OTHER outlet or authority does when they need to review or critique something. And people wonder why gaming jounalists are seen as a joke.

A lot of fanboys can't grasp this simple idea, the difference between a personal and professional opinion, especially when PS3 fans rightfully point out inconsistencies with certain sites. And when that does happen, the fanboys spurt out the predicable "it's their opinion" in a shallow attempt to defend a journalists own unprofessionalism and fanboyism.

Morgan's right, as long as there and no standards gaming reviews should never be taken seriously.

[JokesOnYou]

I've been reading gamining reviews for 20+ years way back when they were just in print from gaming mags. I knew then, the same thing I know now, that reviewers for the most part are GAMERS who've made a professional career out of their hobby. Generally speaking the major sites have educated people who possess at least some basic credentials for the job. Now whether you choose to deem their opinion worthy of consideration is your personal choice but like it or not writers/journalists/editors/re viewers at sites like IGN and Gamespot do have a certain amount of creditability. No different than popular movie review outlets, like say the New York Times. Yet there are NO standards accross the industry to review movies, music, etc. Sure some individual sites have a pattern or a method, just like some review sites always talk about certain key elements but NONE HAVE A UNIFORM STANDARD, but I say why should they? Movies like games have just way to many variants in content, format, genre, classification, target audience, etc to all be regulated/judged by a standard format. Do you hear movie buffs argueing over what some movie critic said? Almost never, and trust me those guys are waaaaaaaaay more critical....but the reason most folks don't get upset is because a movie fanatic likely reads tons of reviews and he has a feel for what he likes no matter what a review says he's gonna go see a movie he's interested in.

lol, Its ONLY gamers with the petty fanboy wars that put TOO MUCH STOCK IN REVIEWS, when everybody else takes reviews for what they actually are intended to be A GUIDE, ADVICE, A OPINION, A NUMERICAL SCORE, A SUMMARY OF ONES PERCEPTION ABOUT A GAME, A INTERPRETATION OF A GAMES VALUE, NOTHING MORE. ppfft Stop acting like we're all robots controlled by powerful review sites.....well maybe the .1% on n4g lmfao, Sure they carry some weight, just like a sports analyst talking about team matchups, but at the end of the day REAL gamers listen, think and make up their own minds whether they agree or not.= I've done it for over 20 years and I've brought plenty of games reviewers who I trust didn't like and thought "man that was better than advertised" and vice versa. Yet I have been burned just as many times by buying a game I took a chance on and found out I agreed with the reviews, thats life but I find the system of having plenty of professional reviews very helpful, its ridiculous to say we'd be better off in the industry having NO dedicated sites to give opinions, while we just take our chances buying $60 games with nothing to go on but trailers/devs word. There are definitely some reliable reviewers out there with good insight, everybody's wrong sometimes but either way I will always ultimately make MY own decision, while still being mature enough to understand the reviewer serves a purpose= gives his readers a preview of what he THINKS they will like/dislike, so they can make a BETTER decision on whether they should spend their hard earned money, your choice what to do, why hate on that= if more people treated reviews like this then we wouldn't have these self inflicted problems.

[Boody-Bandit]

Well said Morgan.
*end comment*

[LORD-PHOENIX]

the media bias would have given him a heart attack

[insomnium2]

It's funny that now we see all the x360 fans saying the same things that every PS3 fan says when a PS3 exclusive gets a bad score. Should the PS3 fans now accuse you people of being a tinfoil hatted butthurt fanboys too?

Every once in a while (when x360 gets an exclusive) the crap you people spout might actually come back and haunt you. LOL! Too funny.

8 is a great score. Only a fanboy tries to downplay games based on an 8. Does anyone still remember the slogan "anything below 9 in Metacritic is not AAA"? Can you still remember the origin of this slogan? This is a serious question btw. I can give you a hint. It was heavily used by the time Uncharted 1 and R&C:TOD were launched in 2007.

[upallnightgamer]

He does not have a point. 8 out of 10 is a damn good score, and he's complaining about it? Talk about holier-than-thou.

[dark-hollow]

I miss the days when an 8 was considered a good score......

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I personally think 8 out of 10 is still a good score.

[HeavenlySnipes]

To me the way it is now is:

7.0-7.5
Average game that you should maybe look in to when the price drops or if you find it used somewhere. Nothing to write home about. A game like Lost Planet fits this category.

8.0-8.5
Good game that only needs a few improvements to push it up to excellence. A game like KZ3 fits this category. It was good, but some of the stuff missing from KZ2 lowered it from its pedestal of excellence KZ2 raised it to.

9.0-9.5
EXCELLENT GAME. Only games in which will appeal to almost EVERYBODY should be in this category. There is little room for improvement (meaning there are no major problems) and the title does everything it sets out to do almost flawlessly (because nothing is perfect.) Games like GOW, Gears, and Uncharted fit this category. All of the sequels in the series didn't even have to add any gameplay changes to be receive scores of 9+ because everything was on point.

10
Honestly, there shouldn't be anything getting 10's. Whenever you see a 10/10 a fan of the game/series is reviewing it. The ONLY game I ever played (and have not played any other game in the series) that could be considered a 10 is Chrono Cross. Best BGM I've ever heard, long DYNAMIC story (you could skip over a lot of stuff without even knowing), multiple endings, best iteration of turn based combat I've played. I think it's the best game Squaresoft ever made to be honest.

[GSpartan777]

8/10 is a good score, but 9/10 is a great score and 10/10 is perfect score. When you are in an industry as competitive as the gaming industry, you aim to be the best and stand above everyone else. If you are not first you are last. You don't do that with 8/10 scores. The most it gives you is bragging right, but 8/10 don't win you game of the year awards and doesn't give your game a place among other great titles such as Uncharted 2, Batman Arkham Asylum and others. It doesn't give you the right to talk highly of yourself. That's reason companies such as Infinity Wards and DICE can talk as if they are so great, because they have delivered critically acclaimed titles that were given massive 10/10 and won them awards.

This is like studying a month (everyday) in advance for a test, only to have the end result being a 80%. Of course you are going to be disappointed. And if you know the kind of person Cliffy B is one that loves to talk highly of his games, you will understand why this affects him. Because now he can't.

[k4rma]

"I miss the days when an 8 was considered a good score......"

It still is for most of us.

Anyway 9 is the new 8 according to some reviewers out there. Gears has always been rated too highly.. well in my opinion. Probably not shared by everyone, but its just not my thing.. I prefer first person shooters with less gung ho WWE swearyness teen anger on steroids, but I have played GoW 1 and 2 and my score was an 8 for both of them. Good games but not classics!

Nothing should get a 9 short of perfection.

[theonlylolking]

This is how I see the 1-10

10-No flaws, Perfect
9-Masterpiece
8-awesome
7-great
6-good
5-ok
4-bad
3-very bad
2-Disaster
1-Should never have been made

[Thatguy-310]

Lol wonder if sucker punch, media molecule, and GG asked themselves the same question...its obvious that journalist's can't be trusted no more when it comes to reviewing games. But no matter what anyone says I'm still getting this game regardless just like I did with infamous 2, killzone 3, and little big planet 2...If you like the series and the past installments then its a difinte purchase no matter what..

[TBM]

Exactly i didn't care if certain sites/publications don'tlike the games i like. Their opinions mean nothing to me since im the one paying for the game i want because i like the series. Scores/reviews are just opinions and its sad that people gives these peoples opinions any weight.

[kikizoo]

when you have to many biased sites giving easy tens, cliffy donkey, like some other fanboyz, become ridiculous when someone give a 7, or 8 (good scores)

[aviator189]

I think Jim Sterling is the main driving force who is making such a huge deal out of 8/10 scores. First, he gave gears 3 an 8/10, then wrote an article about how 8/10 scores should not be taken the wrong way and that people shouldn't complain, and then he takes such a simple joke statement from cliffy b and turns it into a flamebait article.
Personally, I just hate Jim Sterling. He's a fat ass and he acts like a kid.

[ReservoirDog316]

"I don’t want to come across as defensive," he defensively said"

Haha, well, people just can't understand that a B is a good grade. God knows they were proud of their Cs in school so I wonder why they can't understand it?

[JaredH]

I get why he thinks that way because if they improved everything greatly from Gears 2 and got a lower score from the same place for 3 it makes it seem like 3 is worse. I don't know if it is or not but reviewers might just be growing tiresome of Gears of War and other games are getting better and better making the competition bigger than it was so more's expected from a top franchise.

[chidori666]

Cliff is an IDIOT. Gears is boring and not great and haven't been able to top there first two titles Unreal and UT'99. Played the Bulletstorm Demo on the weekend and it was soo boring too...

[Dee_91]

why do retatrded articles like this always get so hot

[Blackdeath_663]

in any case opinions are opinions and if you are "upset" by what other people say then you will never be able to improve on your work. it was a bad move for cliffy to blame a reviewer for being a hater.

[RedDead]

Poor bastard

[LOGICWINS]

A millionaire who is the most popular face behind the years most critically acclaimed PS3/360 exclusive title is a "poor bastard"?

[KingSlayer]

You need to remove PS3. Uncharted 3 isn't out yet.

[thatsBangin]

thought lbp2 was the most critically acclaimed ps3/360 exclusive this year

[mieko]

This years most critically acclaimed ps3/360 title? LBP2 has the same score with a much higher aggregiate of reviews. Somehow that slipped right past you though. Typical.

[Kurt Russell]

I get everyones point... but your comparing lbp2 and gears ffs.

[RedDragan]

Yes they are Kurt Russel. You got a problem with that now?!

[jdfoster]

If this isn't trollish behaviour then I don't know what is...

How could he (they) have the cheek and the audacity to say this and expect this?

talk about trolling your own game... (About as bad as Duke Nukems PR was towards reviews and reviewers!)

[LOGICWINS]

"How could he (they) have the cheek and the audacity to say this and expect this?"

Because maybe he and his team worked their asses off to push the boundaries of the 360 to make sure that Gears 3 is better than Gears 2 in every was imaginable.

If you know u give 150% towards something, you expect fruits to come out of your labor.

[Biggest]

It's sad that you'll defend this game (which needs no defense), but are the first to comment on the other side for every game released for a certain console. Remember the mantra about "though it's better than the previous version, it isn't completely new and therefore may not warrant a higher or even equal score"? Gears of War 3 is an awesome game to pretty much everyone that has it. Stop defending something that doesn't need your "logical" help.

[LOGICWINS]

"It's sad that you'll defend this game (which needs no defense)"

Ummm..huh?

lol okay, how I'm I defending Gears 3? The only thing I'm defending is a persons right to vocalize what they FEEL that they deserve. I don't know whats "sad" about that.

"but are the first to comment on the other side for every game released for a certain console."

????Yeaaaa, u obviously have some personal issue with me. This convos over.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

@Biggest... I think the real argument here is one of consistency. If Gears 2 got a 9 from this site...and this reviewer thinks Gears 3 is better than Gears 2 it makes little sense that Gears 3 would score lower from a consistency point of view. I get it may be a different person scoring but the site itself should be managing that situation and making sure their reviewers are keeping the historical scoring in mind as well.

I honestly don't care that Gears 3 got an 8 out of 10 from any site. I care more about sites being consistent in their review scores instep with their review content. If you claim its a better game than the previous game it should equate to a better score regardless if its a different reviewer.

[mieko]

Almost every game released thus far has gone through the same treatment when its being reviewed as "greater than its predecessor" yet for some reason its given a lower score. No it hardly makes sense, and it shows ABSOLUTELY no consistency, but that's the way it is.

It happened for infamous 2, lbp2, Resistance 3, and now for Gears 3. Each was said to have been "greater than its previous entry" yet for some odd reason the score is lower than what it's predecessor. Most certainly Uncharted 3 will receive the same exact treatment. Learn to deal with it and get over it.

I find it quite funny and hypocritical however coming from logicwins with his statement "though it's better than the previous version, it isn't completely new and therefore may not warrant a higher or even equal score" Yet he want's to scream defense and cry foul when its a 360 exclusive receiving the treatment.

I think we all know what that is.....

[Drekken]

I would like to know how LOGICWINS has any bubbles. I NEVER see him with positive agree-disagree ratios... I have no clue how the bubble system works on this site anymore.

I hit him with immature every time because, frankly I see him as a very immature poster.

This guy has the gall to say that "If you know u give 150% towards something, you expect fruits to come out of your labor." after he has bashed everyone else for questioning other review scores.

I guess whats good for the goose, is not good for the gander.

Gears 3 is a good game regardless of who marked it an 8. Gears is the ONLY game I wish I could play, but can't because I don't own a 360.

[Silly gameAr]

How does this guy keep his bubbles right? Strange.

Anyway, I've always considered 8 a great score, but sometimes I think certain sites give games a lower score then they deserve.

Haven't played Gears yet, so I can't judge, but I have played games that deserved better then the scores they got. That's when you have to ask yourself if other peoples opinions should hold so much weight.

[diehardgamer1000]

Lol after a long time i think its safe to say you lean towards the 360 although you pretend to make objective comments everytime.Time and time again ps3 fans are accused of whining when they raise the same point of developers working their asses off creating some of the most technically advanced software like killzone3.I remember them being bashed for complaining about how LBP2 being vastly superior to LBP but its just passed off as whining.

[solidjun5]

Drekken, you're not the only one. I don't know how LOGIC (AKA Deadreckoning666: it's time you know his former account) keeps his bubbles. He rarely says anything logical and a stealth troll.

"lol okay, how I'm I defending Gears 3? The only thing I'm defending is a persons right to vocalize what they FEEL that they deserve. I don't know whats "sad" about that."

Yet, when other people does this on this site, you're first to say "WEll it's their opinion. Everyone has one." Okay, so I and others have an opinion on their opinion. Yet you come around bashing people for same thing you're doing right now! Talk about being a troll. You're not objective man. Everyone is catching on to you.

[RedDragan]

LOGICWINS, they could have spent 20 years on a game... but that won't automatically make it the best game in the world.

Since when did resource time and rating become symbiotic? The good news for you is that you have lots of bubbles to give us a massive essay explaining explicitly how spending a lot of time on something makes it a world beater.

The bloke who made this game came off as nothing more than a spoilt brat who was throwing his toys of the pram. The man needs to grow up.

[Relientk77]

He shouldn't be upset by 8/10 reviews that is still great, and better than a good chunk of the games this generation

[CrazyOrange]

I had gears 3 for quite few days like 4, but I couldn't play it much because of the university.

but the first ACT was very dissapointing

it doesn't have the feeling of gears :(

[The_Con-Sept]

If someone is upset by an 8/10 score, and I am not talking about the general public but that of a public figure, then they can not accept criticism. That is a perfect example of an extremist. If he truly is distraught about it then he should stop making games.

[buddymagoo]

"The sheer spoiled greed of that attitude is staggering."

Agree.

[colonel179]

I wonder what he thinks about the 7 that MSN (owned by MS) gave to the game?

[MidnytRain]

In that case, at least we know they're not biased.

[bobrea]

Really wish him and Jaffe would just make games and keep their mouths shut.

[iamnsuperman]

I really dislike both of them because all they do is talk and get into headlines. I dislike Jaffe more. Might be the way he comes off

OT: "I find that unbelievably vulgar, and have to say that I am a little disappointed that a man who is currently swimming in perfect review scores is getting upset because he didn't get just a handful more. The sheer spoiled greed of that attitude is staggering." Agreed. What he says as well is a little stupid. Not everyone is like and thinks like you cliffy. 8 doesn't mean hate. It comments like that, that degrade my opinion of them. Hes a good developer but he seems like a whining child and that remake ("Doing great, apart from a couple of haters") is unbelievably unprofessional. Your game is over 90 on an unreliable review system that is based on individual opinions where great games range from 70-90. That's a really good score

[Unaffected]

nuff said

[VanguardOfCalamity]

I don't care if its "two thumbs up" "5 stars" "10 out of 10" - the whole rating system is based on opinion - so here is an idea play the sh*t yourself.. and if you like it <fantastic>

[palaeomerus]

Jim is a sucky hack of a reviewer. He has been for a long long time now. I have no idea what score Gears 3 deserves since I haven't played it, but I DO know that Jim is a sucky hack of a reviewer and a crap stirrer which is why I don't bother reading his reviews anymore. Is it positive? Is it negative? Who cares. If Jim wrote it, then it is an attempt at a hit/click generating lame stunt because that is all the guy knows how to do.

[TheComedian]

Really?Seriously Cliffy?Nah personally I think he is up to his trolling ways once more.Some of the greatest games I've played have received 8s or in some cases even lower.By the end of the day an 8 is within the great game score and 360 owners will must undoubtedly enjoy the game end of story.

[Parasyte]

He's also saying that because he knows it will wind people like the one that wrote this article up.

[Fishy Fingers]

What a self indulgent douche.

[JeffGUNZ]

Did you read the article? If you did, you'd see it's a misleading title for hits. He said casually "it's doing good except from some haters". Then he explained that he doesn't understand why they scored Gears 2 higher when Gears 3 is overall better. A lot of articles stated Gears 3 is the best, yet scored it less than Gears 1 and 2. Makes no sense.

[Drekken]

All articles do on this site is mislead for hits. That doesn't make Cliffy B any less of a DBag.

[JeffGUNZ]

His job is to promote his games. Why wouldn't he do so? I don't find him to be a "dbag", he is actually very smart if you listen to what he has to say.

[kingdoms]

The irony

[joab777]

My issue is that it may b an 8 to some ppl. Anything lower may b hate because of the sheer quality amd content...maybe an 8 too. But, it is possible after so many 8-10 hr linear campaigns involving macho men and alien invaders, that it gets old to some ppl. I do not agree as I believe that it is a solid 9.25, but some ppl just want more out of the campaign and may not play alot of multi. After playing deus ex, I can see how they may hav a hard time reviewing it. It isnt 2007 anymore and alot of great games hav come out and changed the scale for reviewing.

[fastNslowww]

well said.

[josephayal]

8 is good

[fastNslowww]

cliffy should understand that STANDARDS change. Gears 1 was huge..and when gears 2 came out it was big. the 3rd game always loses some of that earlier appeal because the core concept of it has been around for awhile now. We know what to expect, etc.

Anyways, opinions are opinions. 8 is a high score.

[nilamo]

That's the problem, there is NO standard. There is no clearly defined set of protocols how to score something. The most obvious one is if it's better it will be higher. If they use a different standard, it would make sense to define it first.

[Saladfax]

Plus there's always the fact that the market is over-saturated with cover-based, over the shoulder shooters.

It doesn't matter if Gears of War is considered the king, crown prince, or ultimate emperor of the genre. If people are starting to feel tired of it, the game's not going to get as good of a score.

[Captain Qwark 9]

apparently nobody read what cliff said....he is a douche no doubt, but this time he is right if you listen to his reasoning. he is saying that he knows gears 3 is a better game in every way, polished more to do, better story presumably, and with that in mind to see a site give gears 3 ( 8 ) lower than what they rated gears 2 ( 9 ), doesn't make sense to him.

also, if you worked years on something you thought was near/if not perfection only for someone to tell you its very good but not as good as you think, you would be upset too...simple as that, he's human like us all.

[NYC_Gamer]

Just because we think something is great doesn't mean the next person would agree.it's all opinion and everyone has right to have one....

[dinkeldinkse]

If not, that might explain the difference in scores. A high 7 score to me might be a high 8 or low 9 for someone else.

[fastNslowww]

sure..but how can he bitch about a score of 8? it's a VERY good score. It would work for cliffy if the reviewer gave it a 6.

doesn't matter if the budget or dev time was 1000x better...opinions and tastes differ among people. One can easily lose the appeal in gears and not get the same satisfaction with the 3rd installment.

it's not a hard concept to grasp. it's common sense.

[Saladfax]

No one saw CD Projekt Red bitching about Sterling's 6/10 for The Witcher 2.

[Pixel_Pusher]

after watching the walkthroughs videos I have to say Cliffy, you're lucky you even got that.

the voice acting, dialog, gameplay are extremely dull. not trolling just giving my honest opinion. the MP does look fun though I will give it that.

[SH0CKW4VE]

All this over giving a game an 8/10?

ONE fat mans opinion has got everyone so irate?

He is just the same as everyone else it just so happens he has a degree in journalisim and he is paid to express his opinion.

He is no different to me expressing my own right here right now except he gets paid for it.

"I have no idea what score Gears 3 deserves"

Taken from a comment above, thats the thing it doesnt Deserve any kind of score, it should be held accountable by its own merits when you sit down and play the game....

Or did I miss the night when it was written in the stars it would get nothing below a 9/10?

If this was the COD devs everyone would be irate with flaming them for having an obnoxious attitude, but because its written in the stars that gears 3 HAS to be a perfect game this attitude is forgiven?

[Inception]

It's just a review and Mr Cliffy needs to chill out ^^
Cause he sound's like some guy who said his dick is the largest dick in the world
but when people saw his dick and then they said "nahhhhh -_-"
and the guy reply: "man! FUUUU ALL! u don't know shit about my dick! this is still the largest dick in the world!" :P :P :P

[byeGollum]

WTF? since when is 8 a low score? the industry's been spoilt, gamers alike. 80%, isn't that a Distinction? -.^

[Winkle92]

"You know, I didn’t quite gather it. I don’t want to come across as defensive," he defensively said. "How do I phrase this properly? When people rated Gear 2 higher than Gears 3, it kind of upset me because I know Gears 3 is a better game on every level."

That sounds like a very legitimate answer to me. Blown out of proportion by teh medias.

[GamersRulz]

that happened to most sequels this gen, the first installment got the highest score and the sequel got less, even ICO/SOTC collection got an average 91% while each game alone is higher than that.

[silkrevolver]

Get over it, you still have a 92 meta.

[heylo]

GeoW (like CoD) is just a magnet for dudebros
I'm not surprised that not everyone is going to jump on the hype train

[SpartanZero]

Gears 3 is the new Black Ops getting screwed by reviewers.

[Tanir]

if the game isn't perfect why should it get a 10?

the game is good, its not amazing, not bad, not perfect or crap, its just a good game, well deserving of a 8-9 score depending on your love for the series

[divideby0]

so he has higher standards... good...
reviews dont agree...
nothing new here .. the game will sell many will enjoy it.
I will wait to play SP when the price drops to 40 bucks or less in a couple of weeks after release
move on

[_Aarix_]

it wont drop in a mere couple weeks. Its gonna be huge for months.

[Tanir]

pfft if cliffy only knew what i gave the series lol

[lugia 4000]

Alright, lets check the meta scores

Gears of War - 94
Gears of War 2 - 93
Gears of War 3 - 91 with only half critics

Obviously GoW3 is going down, and im not sure if it will hold on the 90s.
Maybe Cliffy did everything right, but the rest of the team didn't. Ill buy this anyway, because the game is great.

[JeffGUNZ]

Yet some many of these same reviewers are saying its the best and most polished game in the series, but scored it less than they did with Gears 1 and 2. It's ironic, but still, it's great.

[Peaceful_Jelly]

Let's be realistic, an 8 is a great score but in the video game industry where there are so many overrated games an 8 is a bad score. In the movie industry there are plenty of 4's and 5's but there are plenty of 9's too. But when you look at gaming scores most of the games are either a 7 (<--- average) or an 8 (<--- decent). 6 if it's total garbage and let's not even talk about what a 5 or below is... I mean, game reviewers use a scale of 10 but the truth is that they only use the last 3 numbers and everybody's guilty of that.

And then they want to include the suspicious 8.9 and 9.1 but for what purpose? Don't they know that their scale already has 6 numbers that they aren't even using? Then why do they want more?

[archemides518]

eurogamer......we're looking at u :P

[GSpartan777]

8/10 is a good score but it usually indicates that there is something that sets the game back from being great. And when you actually read the reviews and have read enough previews of Gears of War 3, it doesn't justify the score when compared to Gears of War 2. It means that either Gears of War 2 was grossly overrated, which according many seems to be the case given it's multiplayer was disappointing and a few changes they made was not something fans wanted, or Gears of War 3 is not as great as it seem.

I think it's also very important to note that in this day and age, people are voting with their wallets. $60 may not seem like a lot to many of you, but it is when it starts to become frequent and quite honestly when it comes to deciding what game out of the 10 good ones that come out in a month, usually you want to make sure that you're getting your $60 is worth it and the first thing people turn to are the highest reviewed games.

So I personally understand the developers concern and disappointing when it comes to this. We've discussed this to death on N4G and that is that, these aren't just a fat man's review. These are a fat man's review THAT MATTER. People do read these review and give judgement based on them.

[wenaldy]

The game is great, ignore the review..

[sarshelyam]

I understand that the ultimate goal should be a 10 (on a review scale that tops at this value), but I really don't feel any game these days deserves such high praise. If a company can't ship a product without the need for title updates, patches, or DLC down the road...it isn't a complete experience, it's inevitably flawed and that should be taken into account. DAY ONE patches are signals of a product shipping before it is ready, and it's become something of a standard.

Now, this may not apply to Gears 3 right now, but I can guarantee this title is not perfection, no matter how big a fan you are...a 10? Honestly? I love my Uncharted games but I'd hardly call them 10's...9.8, 9.5...sure, that's about as close to perfect a score as I'd expect for a game today.

Similarly, what Cliff feels the team has accomplished is one thing, but he is certainly biased as this is his baby. Who, in his shoes, wouldn't want to see this succeed? I'm sure he felt Gears 2 was perfect, at the time, but as a gamer...I felt Dom was horribly written and the wife arc was grating to the gameplay. Am I wrong? Is he wrong? We're both wrong...and we're both right!

An 8 though? That's a stellar score for a game these days. Hate out of Ten indeed!

[monkeymagik]

I gave his teeth 8/10 and his game 8.5.

All is fair in love and war.

Some people will hate it
Some will love it.

I love marmite, it's awesome.

[JonnyBigBoss]

What a little girl. I'm personally no a fan of Gears, and from the look of it it hasn't evolved much other than visually. 8-9/10 sounds spot-on.

[_Aarix_]

uh yea..it kinda has. The graphics improved immensely and it was good from the getgo. Hes not as upset as the article claims but he does have a good point how they improved the quality in every game but its getting lower scores than gear 2. Next time look at a couple damn screenshots instead of hating.

[Michael-Jackson]

At least it's not a 7 and coming from a Microsoft site.

[MrBT]

I would also like to sentiment that 8 is NOT a bad score. Im also quite sick of the attitude that AAA titles are such for a reason and therefore must be scored as close to 90% as possible.

Besides surely the beauty of reviews is that we all have different opinions? The world would be such a dull place if we all thought the same!?

[Hayabusa 117]

I surprised this isn't one of the top stories...

[Hayabusa 117]

Spoke too soon.

[coolbeans]

I think we as gamers are the ones to blame for feeding these ideas of " >9 ='s waiting for price drop". This annoying demand for AAA, blockbuster hits means reviewers are literally forced to give good scores, rather than looking emprically at each game's actual quality.

[Shadonic]

Yea Cliff dosent need to worry at all i mean the people who actually played the game are going to see how great it is and this will probably affect the people who watch their reviews so either way win win for Gears.

[Coopertone]

It's all about opinions, and the reviewer wasn't blown away with the title(probably blown slightly).

[Evetssteve]

Pretty sure Cliff is more pissed about the personal attacks in the review content than the actual review score ( and rightfully so)

[Ayepecks]

Here's the irony in the whole thing: Jim Sterling is getting mad for Cliffy for being defensive about his game, when Sterling is getting incredibly defensive about his review. Hell, he even wrote an entire article about it. If that's not defensive behavior, I don't know what is.

When you put work into something and hope people will see what you see, then yeah, you're going to be defensive when you don't think people get it or are being overly critical of certain aspects -- and that goes with video games, reviews, everything. I don't see what's the big deal about a developer expecting greatness.

As far as Jim Sterling: he knew what he was doing when he gave the game an 8 out of 10. Does that mean he was trolling people with his review? No, it means he knew there was going to be a backlash, and now he's trying to act surprised. C'mon, man, you knew it was coming. Just move on.

I also don't understand how he thinks an 8 out of 10 is a "compliment." No, it's not a compliment. It's also not an insult. It's a review, and you're giving a critique, not compliments and insults. You shouldn't expect to be thanked for the score you assign a game. It's also not "spoiled greed" to expect and hope for more. It goes back to my first point: if you put a lot of effort into something, you're going to hope people view it the same way you do.

[Mr-Dude]

He is acting like a big child...

An 8 is a great score! And btw, did GG , Insomniac or Sucker Punch complain when they did recieved a 8??

NO! It's a great score!

But im still buying it!

[CraigBaker]

I'm not that big of a gears fan, but as a standalone title Gears 3 is an absolute 10. I got my review copy a week ago and everything about the game screams perfection. There isn't a single flaw. If they gave the game an 8 it is obvious that the reviewer is probably some cod fan boy who doesn't really fancy gears that much. I'm more of an fps player myself, battlefield to be specific, but i can recognize and respect the product put out by Cliffy B. and everyone else at EPIC.

[ExitToExisT]

since when 8 is an hateful score?

[Evetssteve]

When you make personal attacks in the review

[Rob946]

Wow the game looks great bit really? he's complaining that people are giving it a 8? thats still a great score of course it's not getting 9's and up for every review, it looks good but not perfect.

[Wintersun616]

Grow up Cliffy.

[hoolesy]

As much as I hate to agree with big head Cliffy, I kinda do. You have to really go some these days to get a 9 or 10, (unless you put Grand Theft in the title). And to be fair, I think Gears 3 deserves a 9. But we are entitled to our own opinions without being rude to one another! Anyway, who cares, get the game for your own eyes, that's the most important part, your OWN opinion!! Enjoy everyone, it's awesome. Disclaimer: PS3 owner also lol.

[capcock]

why would he get upset? 8/10 is a great score.
Cliffy B is a crybaby if this is true.

[narutogameking]

You can't please everyone.

[Tzuno]

Generally people are jealous and bad, let the sales number speak for themselves. GOTY

[smashcrashbash]

He isn't 'upset'. He is an attention whore.Since when is getting a few 8s something to cry about? Some people didn't think it was as good as Gears 2. Some people didn't think GT4 was as good as the others. Some people won't think UC3 is as good as UC2 was. So what? Get over it. Many developers work hard, probably harder then you and got less then perfect scores for their trouble .

[nilamo]

BTW I'm really sick of misleading headlines.

[rattletop]

yo cliffy, 8/10 is impressive. different reviewers, different opinions. as simple as that.

[Impaler]

Cliffy is a Dbag anyways. Epic lost favor in my eyes when they royally destroyed the Unreal series, but hey, that is just me

[Kahvipannu]

Every review is opinion of ONE person, when will people realize that, Cliffy B included...

I'm upset that my X0 isn't working any more, have to buy new one for GeOW 3, Horde mode looks insane now with Brumaks, I can't miss that out.

[wanderson75]

To call out a site for having a lower review score than the previous release in a series is kind of shabby in my opinion (lighthearted or not). There are simply too many factors to weigh in on.

That being said, the writer does bring up enough points to keep the game from being short of a perfect review. As far as how their scoring system accomodates for points against, we simply have no clue; however I think if you read the article, it's well written and objective. The 8/10 appears to be fitting for what the writer has put to paper in my opinion.

So I think the question should be, do you chastise a site for giving an honest review? Or do you chastise the sites that gave a perfect score when clearly the game has faults?

[aviator189]

"So this article is about Jim not being happy with Cliffy giving his opinion about not being happy with other people giving their opinions..."

haha, awesome quote.

[xdye017]

8 is the maximum score i would give gears 3. I never understood the hype behind this game. Just another alien killing generic shooter with horde and beast mode taken from other games. No originality at all. All gears of war games look same and only slight improvements. You can hear the gears 3 audio is pretty much the same as gears 1 lol

[Evetssteve]

Lol such a troll. A) you haven't played the game B) gears is the originator of Horde and now Beast mode.

[xdye017]

Yes i may have sounded like a troll. I've played gears 1 (finished story / tried multiplayer) and I really didn't see anything special. The thing that struck me most was the cover system though. The sequels haven't really caught my attention. Well its a matter of opinion. Hope you enjoy gears 3.

[YodaCracker]

Generic shooter? You've clearly never played much Gears. It has some of the most visceral gameplay of any shooter. It is a completely unique feeling. I've certainly never played another shooter that provides the same weighty and satisfying feeling.

[lumley666]

awww dont cry epic dude lol by wat iv read from even the ign review the game is de ja vu all through story, great online tho. i think an 8/10 or a 9/10 is fair depending on who plays it

[Funky Town_TX]

*can't wait* I watched about 5 min gameplay from level 1 and tuesday can't come fast enough. Cliffy wants perfect scores and it's understandable. He is saying that a 8/10 means the person hates the game. I have played a bunch of 8/10 games that I did not hate.

[GTRrocker]

This is the one game that I wish I could have on my PS3. I love a good SCI-FI game. 360 owners are lucky to have this sweet franchise. Welp, better get back to some Resistance 3.

[Karum]

I think he's maybe coming across differently that he meant to and it's because of the use of the word haters.

Had he simply said he's disappointed that some people have scored it lower than Gears 2 because he feels that Gears 3 is a better game in every aspect then there would be absolutely nothing wrong with that because there is logic and reason in his argument.

It is all subjective though, there are clearly a lot of people who feel it is as good or better than Gears 2 and most fans will likely feel that way too but it is possible for the odd person to maybe not like it as much as it's predecessor. For instance I LOVED Killzone 2 but felt a little underwhelmed by Killzone 3 even though it is still a fantastic game in it's own right.

[guitar_nerd_23]

What a stupid bias article. Utter crap.

[Hozi]

Idc what anyone says! Epic and a Cliffy B has earned my respect. GEOW 3 is one of the best games this year!!!!

[MeNoRasta]

Cant wait to get gears3 only 4 more days to go!!

[MasterCornholio]

There was a ton of hype surrounding this title so many reviewers probably had their expectations too high. Regardless its still a great game.

[BLAKHOODe]

I kinda see this both ways. For one, Bleszinski's comments were probably taken out of context, which happens A LOT on the internet. Keep in mind that the person who wrote the article, instead of letting the reader form their own opinion made it a point to express his own opinion, leading others to express the same. BUT I see this in another way, too. While Gears 3 might be the BETTER game between it and Gears 2, we're talking a 3 year window between the time Gears 2 and Gears 3 came out. Perhaps reviewers didn't feel that Gears 3 improved enough over the time it took to be released? Then again, as someone else said, maybe it was someone else who reviewed the game this time around?

Despite all - I'm sure Bleszinski and everyone else in the entertainment industry knows.. YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE.

[Buuhan1]

Sorry, Cliff. Not everyone wants to suck your dick to perfection.

[opinska]

Quiet you fool... 8/10 is a great score and I've enjoyed the previous Gears game and I will enjoy this one too... stop whining around Cliff...

[CoryHG]

call the waaaaaaaaaaaaahmbulance

[CoryHG]

now u know how ps3 fans feel

[Muffins1223]

i CAN SEE WHY HES UPSET.Becouse he knows its a better game than gears 2 in every way and it got lower score when compared to gears 3

[patrickzeh]

I do give Cliffy B a point, they are also milking this comment so bad. If you compare Gears of War 3 with Gears of War 2, you know that Gears of War 3 is better in any aspect of the game. But i agree with the fact that how can you rate Gears of War 2 better then its sequel, if you compare Gears of War 3 beta with Gears of War 2, i would pick Gears of War 3 beta. Other then that its just stupid -_-

[zero_cool]

I suggest people to research as much information as they can dig up on the games their interesting in then find demos to those games to play but if they can't find a demo for every game their looking for then rent those games first problem solve!

P.S..For the love of god don't rely on journalists opinions period be your own judge don't let those close minded oxymorons ruin gaming for you!

Cheers Gamers & Happy Gaming!

[GamerPS360]

dead island has average 8 or below but I love that game. Beat the storyline with all 4 character and now, just collection everything with chinese lady.

7 or higher is good game, It is just different people with different taste.

we have some Wii game that has score hovering over 9 but you gotta pay me to play those.

Gears is/was always a very addicting game for me. you can rate 5 and i will still buy it.

[Pozzle]

I miss the days when an 8/10 meant "this game has some minor flaws, BUT YOU STILL NEED TO PLAY THIS!"

[ShinraE5]

1 - The comment is being made to be more than what it is

2 - Cliffy may be "upset" but I think when the sales figures come in, he will find a way to sleep at night

3 - Most major review sites are garbage, trust your own judgement and intel over what the "man" tells you (I usually judge before buying by developer confidence, gameplay trailers, and if it is out already, friends who played it)

4 - This game is a must buy for me, so if any site gives it a low score I dont care. I enjoyed DNF, but the industry gave it a 3-4/10.

[Dogs_PinoyPOOD]

yo Cliffy B... Grow up.

[allyc4t]

He has every right to be upset.

Who in there right mind wouldn't be touchy about something they've put years into? It's human nature.

[alb1899]

Is ok to be mad when you do a game that in his own type is the best and someone that is a professional give an 8. An 8 is good for what deserve an 8 but if you know that you deserve more then is not good anymore.

Sorry, I know my English is bad enough.

[Japes]

3 words ...WHAT ...A ....DOUCHE! If Cliff wants a better score then he should hire an 8 year old to write a better script. What a PRE-MADONNA!!!! the game is still gonna make millions, he is the creator of a franchise that will probably go down in history as one of the most popular IP's, and he's complaining about an 8. A chick who is an 8 in pretty good.Compare it to Maxim's top 100. an eight is equivalent to the top 20 women. Meaning that Cliffy thinks the other 80 are s#!t!!RIDICULOUS! Like those other 80 would have him anyway. He's lucky the game is fun to play.. or more exactly the only thing that brought the game down was the BS script. Cliffy B: GO GET A LIFE NERD!!!!!

[outwar6010]

i bought gears 2 like a year after it came out and the online was horrible might rent this to see how it fares

[Old McGroin]

The person who wrote this article is riding an extremely high horse. You can tell from the very beginning of the article that he was waiting for the first chance to pounce on Cliffy B's first supposed slip up and then exaggerates everything to the highest degree to make a mountain out of a molehill. Very, very amateur and fanboyish article.

[-DeathWraith-]

I agree with what HeavenlySnipes said on the first page, 8/10 is NOT a bad score, like what the heck...

[Thecraft1989]

is all opinion for god sake. CLiff B should grow some balls and accept that not every single person will rate his game how he sees it. The media is very subjective business and if you want to work in it he needs to accept that.

[RufustheKing]

"You know, I didn’t quite gather it. I don’t want to come across as defensive," he defensively said.

he defensively said LOL i like that part. anyway if some react like that to a 8/10 is only going to get the piss taken out of him.

[Ima9er4Life]

He mad cuz not everybody wanna kiss his ass. Its somebody's opinion, and because someone gave him a 8/10 means it ain't a bias opinion. MOST sites prefer the Micronerd's 360 over the ps3....so Cliffy shouldn't fuckn cry cuz he goin to make money anyways. Be happy that God gave u gift, unfortunately he made you a cryin bitch too. Somebody pass me the violin

[Morgue]

My friend is part owner of a strip club. Say a girl comes in with her boyfriend, he thinks she's a 10 and should since that's his lady. My friend will pick that chick apart in a second and that 10 goes to a 5 and she leaves in tears and dude is ready to bro down and fight. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and opinions and reviews are for fans to glote about.

[Rageanitus]

8 is a great score... just that the xbox crowd is so used to inflated scores hhe

honestly when i played gears 1 i was amazed.. the 2nd one was quite good but the last half sucked.

[kamakaz3md]

bahaha the funny thing is i just commented on someones review they gave gears 3 yesterday which was a 7 and i exactly said that you better hope cliffy b dont see this cause he will cry like he did when bulletstorm had just under what he thought it should have had. All I know is... resistance got 9's and uncharted 3 will get 9's even almost 10's. Sony is killin it this year. M$ had all the other years just about, but sony has sure come out the winner in this gen. IMO

[Old McGroin]

Gears 3 has received numerous 10's already, even a 9 from Edge. Gears 3 has a Metacritic rating of 91 while Resistance 3 could only muster an 83 (which is still great).
Uncharted 3 will be great and will receive 9's and 10's from everyone but if things go the way they did with Gears 2 and Uncharted 2, I know which one I'll still be playing a year from now, Gears.

[eridc3301]

sony paid for the bad reviews.

[TheLastGuardian]

Cry moar Cliff. 8/10 is a great score.

[dirthurts]

Most Loved/Hated game of 2011.

[Mario4life]

8 out of 10 is not a bad score, to cliff its called an opinion of the person, grow up

[Mrmagnumman357]

an 8 is a great score, stop whining cliff. lots of devs would pay for that

[Jason143]

its gears. the game play was always very basic so I dont know why he was expecting a 10. I never got the feeling I got after playing gears one in mp the first time in 2 or the beta for 3.Was a one trick pony for me. Deal with it nerd P just ask him "You mad bro?"

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

"You know, I didn’t quite gather it. I don’t want to come across as defensive," he defensively said. "How do I phrase this properly? When people rated Gear 2 higher than Gears 3, it kind of upset me because I know Gears 3 is a better game on every level."

Maybe they weren't comparing it to Gears. It is a fave of mine, but I don't consider it the best game this generation. That would go to either Mass Effect 2 or Assassin's Creed II for me.

[Lord_Sloth]

Cliffy B's a dumbass and arrogant as hell! 8/10 is nowhere near a bad score! Hell, it's not even mediocre!

Just because his abysmal game doesn't get a 10 he acts like a baby! I should rate it a 4 just to piss him off!

[Old McGroin]

Gears 3 has already received multiple 10 outta 10 reviews. If you think great games are abysmal it's your loss, no need to be so butt hurt.

[Lord_Sloth]

And that automatically means I should like it? I prefer games like Monster Hunter and couldn't care less what reviewers have to say so tossing scores at me is rather useless. Shooters don't appeal to me very much.

Getting "butt hurt" (such a stupid phrase) is what Cliffy's doing.

[Tilian]

For once, I kinda agree with Jim Sterling. Just because something's AAA, doesn't mean it's automatically entitled to 9+ scores.

Killzone 3 and Resistance 3 got many reviews below 9, but nobody from Guerilla or Insomniac whined about it.

[CodeNameTBW]

tell u the truth um not a big gears fan but the games looks fun but all three games looking the same and i see why its getting 8/10 cuz reviewer are maybe tired of playing the hole same duck and cover system for 3 games. pluswith the big names comin bf3 and cod

[devilhunterx]

This is why Gears 2 was rated higher

[OooHJohnny]

This guy should stop using drugs.

[applepie_svk]

When i first time play GoW i already know that i never will go back to this game, for clearly obvious reasons lika a story, game handing and graphics.
And as i suspect i saw once again this game with same issues like in previous game, i´v never mark this game series with better mark than 7/10.

[JellyJelly]

If people actually read the quote they'd see that he's only referring to Eurogamer who gave Gears 2 a 9 and Gears 3 an 8.

"When asked to elaborate on the haters in question, he pointed to Eurogamer's 8/10 review.

"You know, I didn’t quite gather it. I don’t want to come across as defensive," he defensively said. "How do I phrase this properly? When people rated Gear 2 higher than Gears 3, it kind of upset me because I know Gears 3 is a better game on every level."

[ufo8mycat]

What has improved over Gears 2? The gameplay is still the SAME.

Back then Gears 2 was awesome gameplay wise. Gears 3 is most likely better then Gears 2, but again, when compared to other games, where the gameplay has IMPROVED (Uncharted), Gears 3 gameplay remains the same.

8/10 seems fair. The Gears gameplay is not as great as it was back then. Needs improvement

[Old McGroin]

Uncharted 2 plays the EXACT same as Uncharted 1. So sick of people putting down Gears because it has the same game mechanics as its prequels, what were you expecting, a Gears football game? Anyway, one look at the stellar reviews Gears 3 has received will tell you you're wrong, simple as.

[fourthpersonview]

Wow, did he really get that much butt hurt from an 8 that he had to be a whiny bitch about it.

8 is still good, there a lot of great games that got 8. That doesnt mean they suck

[RealtorMDandDC]

He is just "Wacka Flacking" to get attention and ensure all fanboys out there knows his games exist..I think it's a marketing ploy. Cliff B is great at marketing by just opening his mouth...

--With that being said...They are a few PS3 exclusives that was reviewed with better graphics, better gamplay, and new game play mechanics, 3D support, Move Support, Extra Demos on disc, Music videos on disc, Mouse and Keyboard support, extra everything on the same disc. And the review score is less than the previous game.

Two games that comes to mind: Infamous 2 and Resistance 3....two games that are superior then their predecessors have received lower scores tho...they are more modes to play(steroscopic 3D or 2D), more ways to play (Move, Mouse Key Boards or controller) and demos on disc, music videos on disc..etc...

For the most part these additional features are NEVER mention in PS3 exclusive reviews...ie Resistance 3 and Infamous 2..

I do not understand how a game can clearly be better then it's previous incarnation and get a lower score...this goes to Infamous 2, Resistance 3 and KZ3.....not to mention Gears of War 3(even tho I have not played this yet)

[Track123]

If you have played one Cliffy B game you have played all Cliffy B games. They are all the same. Good but the same.

[tee_bag242]

8's a perfectly good score. Someone already said time plays a big factor in reviewing. I agree.
Personally I loved the original GOW - played it twice through then bought GOW2 without hesitation. The thing is I wasnt impressed by GOW2 after that.. Go figure?? Disagree all you want but it bored me sh#tless.

[Tr3y_4_Li43]

Cliff has a butthurt xDD

[zod]

N4G is the Best place to find retard Console fanboys on internet :)

FFS guy just gave his opinion abt the scores....Whats the problem ?

...Game fucking rocks..Go and buy it..Don't waste your time here....

F** Eurogamer or destructoid .....

[Picnic]

Even if I was a great fan of this kind of aesthetic - B-movie space marine basically - I wouldn't necessarily be displeased to see it 'only' get 8 out of 10.

Who says what constitutes a game being worth 9 or 10 out of 10? What if my idea of a 'perfect' game of this nature is one that is very different from the type of game that Gears of War 3 is? I might have some very precise requirements about what I like to see in a game e.g. that I always like it to have a mine cart section. They may think that they've presented the game that they wanted to make as well as is possible but what if it's not my idea of a perfect game?

Here's another example - a man who is often regarded as handsome and charismatic who has a well paid career regards themselves as a '10'. But they try to ask a girl out and the girl, partly sensing his own self importance, says 'But you're not Jack Nicholson are you?' To her Jack Nicholson is a 10 (regardless of his age by the way).

Similarly, Gears of War 3 is not Super Mario Galaxy. So unless it has some of that same off the wall game mechanics and sense of innocence to it, it will always be posssible for people to say 'But you're not doing that are you? That's what I require from a game that gets a 10'.

It's always personal taste. You can compare it to other games of its kind if you like and maybe find it comparing well but you're still purely comparing it to B-movie space marine stuff which some people like and some don't. At least Duke Nukem had a laugh at the arbritariness of it all- spend ages working on your muscles and what are you neglecting that you could be spending other time on?

[skeletonss]

haha go figure. ps3 fanboys going nuts in a gears of war article. cant wait for uncharted to catch a 8 and wait for that shit.

[Picnic]

I think that Uncharted 3 is going to get a few 8s. The desert does not necessarily promise as interesting an environment as the other 2 games. I think that in time Uncharted 2 will be looked upon as the pinnacle by most.

[Old McGroin]

Totally agree with you, all they have done with Uncharted 3 is change the colour of the snow from white to brown.

[0321]

What a whiny little bitch, Learn to take a little criticism, Cliffy!

[KidMakeshift]

I'd be more upset by the fact that it was reviewed by Destructoid. That site is garbage!

[zackacloud]

I hate these sites 100%

Not because they gave White Knight 2 6 or because they gave Gears Of War 3 8 .

Just Because they always give COD sries from and than 8.5 and when you read the review you will notice they wrote a lot of negative things and strongly critic it but in the high score.

Clearly they afraid from the huge fanbabies of COD.

(S4BE)

[unicron7]

Sounds to me like he needs to suck it up. 8/10 reviews are not uncommon, and do not spell out a bad game. Just another temper tantrum from Cliffy. I think he's mad his review averages aren't stacking up to match another unnamed action./adventure 3rd person franchise.

[CanadianTurtle]

Honestly, he needs to read the posts that his fans wrote. All the fans are thinking this game is perfect. Same thing with Resistance 3. Insomniac games needs to read all the fan posts instead of the critcal reviews for a change. The fans love Resistance 3.

I wish Reviewers were more like back in the day. Reviewing games more on fun factor rather than nit picking on every small and tiny flaw of a game.

[C_Dub]

I'm getting Resistance 3 and Gears 3 but here's the deal.......If a game doesn't score a 9/10, it sucks. Plain and simple. That's the mindset of today's gamers. Just deal with it.

I'll be enjoying my "sucky" games regardless what any lame site says.

[modesign]

cliffy b needs more cheese to go with the whine

[_Empath_]

Cliffy B is the Dane Cook of gaming.

[XIIIWARRIOR41]

Cliff, be serious!! you expect everyone to love your game, get real dude.

[Dfooster]

familiarity breeds contempt.

[KendrickGLS]

@C_Dub it's all opinions, and that's all it will be. There's no such thing as a fact that a game sucks or not. Righteous!

[KendrickGLS]

Gears! Gears! Gears!

[Bwana]

Maybe...JUUUST maybe, the game is not as good as he wanted it to be. Oh silly me, I'm expecting Cliffy to be humble about the response.

At any rate, I still think an 8 is a great score, but whatevs.

[Chrono]

8 is too much for it.