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PS3 Will Outsell Xbox 360 This Holiday If Microsoft Doesn't Cut Price - Pachter

PS3, in North America, has been handily outsold by Xbox 360 in 2011. Microsoft has been building on its momentum since last year with the Kinect platform, but the recent PS3 price drop to $249 is clearly having an impact. The question is: will it be enough to top Xbox 360 during the holiday period? If Microsoft stands pat on price, then yes, says Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter.

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fluffydelusions4634d ago

I'm sure it will happen soon enough and you can bet MS will advertise that price cut to no end.

donniebaseball4634d ago

MS has more cash to spend, so you're probably right that they can do more advertising when they end up cutting price.

ksense4634d ago (Edited 4634d ago )

imagine the fan boy rage if it got outsold in its home territory. thats the only thing MS have to brag about now so I am sure they will cut price if it gets outsold

Mrmagnumman3574634d ago

This is true, but sony is still loaded, and has enough money to do whatever they want. Sony has atleast 47 billion!!! Look it up.

ForROME4634d ago (Edited 4634d ago )

@Ksense

The only thing? As if NA is a small ONLY thing, what a lamer you are kid

LOGICWINS4634d ago

"This is true, but sony is still loaded, and has enough money to do whatever they want."

So why haven't I seen a a single PS3 exclusive ad on television this summer? Why I'm I not seeing Uncharted 3/Resistance 3 on subways, buses, billboards etc?

Isn't RE3 coming out next week?

disturbing_flame4634d ago (Edited 4634d ago )

In the US 360 will be ahead (worldwide i can't tell). Anyawy who cares what pachter say now, remember his speach about 3DS, about 3D device, about BF3 failing hard ?

Honest_gamer4634d ago

@LOGICWINS

hell i see a risistance 3 add every break on 5 USA (after 9PM) and ive seen it quite allot of channel 4, its also on the bbc iplayer, stv player, 40d and 5 demand (there website adds that are on during shows dont know bout the ps3 versions)

anyway wth cares what this ass says

dark-hollow4634d ago (Edited 4634d ago )

I love how people say "only in US" or "USA doesn't equal the world"
Forgetting that the America is one of the biggest if not the biggest markets for gaming.
Almost 30%-50% of the totals of any console sales in history are from the US.
Hell, in some console sales, America DOES EQUAL the worldwide sales alone!
Like the wii which is the WHOLE worldwide sales almost barley ahead of the wii sales in the US!

The sales of xbox, xbox 360, NES, sega genesis and the N64 in the US not only equals the worldwide sales, but exceeding it too!

So next time when you talk about the gaming market, forget the geographical USA compared to the rest of the world, but remember how much potential gamers of tens of millions are there in the US!

DaTruth4634d ago

It depends how many PC's people buy this holiday season!

If PC's fly off the shelf this holiday, so will the free 360's!

jetlian4634d ago (Edited 4634d ago )

Makes up 45 percent of the market. Sony has never won a holiday season. Sony makes ground during spring and summer. Seeing as they lost those they may be after fall /holidays.

Not the first time sony had a price drop around now We'll see

Arnon4634d ago (Edited 4634d ago )

So... Everyone is on Patcher's side now that he believes the PS3 will outsell the 360 in the US?

Please, this man has had more wrongs than rights. And to be honest, the 360 is still going strong and Kinect (as much as it hurts to see it) is now one of the fastest selling accessories ever made.

I'd say worldwide: PS3, USA: 360.

darthv724633d ago (Edited 4633d ago )

ms doesnt need to cut the price of the 360. MS can afford to cut the cost on kinect if they will do any price reducing this holiday. They can also afford to give away more freebies like games and subscriptions to xbl. Advertising does wonders and they have been really strong this gen. Even on games that arent exclusive to them.

Sony felt the time was right as cost to mfg is lower and they have some goals that need to be met. When your first two systems did outstanding out of the gate and your third is back in the pack you do what you need to get the momentum going.

This holiday will be a good one for anyone who wants a ps3 or 360 but the wii I think has spent itself.

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TBM4634d ago

Here's how I see

360 popular in US/England
PS3 popular Europe/US/Japan
Wii Popular worldwide whupped both HD consoles a$$e$ period.

And yes thanks to selling in all regions well it will pass 360 in sales unless my fellow americans run out and buy a sh*tload of systems to curtail the surge in sales the PS3 will have this holiday. Also why do you think M$ wont leave japan because they know japan an important region also no matter what a certain regions citizens say.

In the end it really doesn't matter what anyone says about Sony they know what they're doing or else they wouldn't be in this business.

otherZinc4633d ago

PS3 has no chance of outselling the 360 this holiday season. NPD will show this, sale or no sale!

cstyle4634d ago

I doubt that the ps3 will outsell the 360 even with its recent price cut.

kingdoms4634d ago (Edited 4634d ago )

I LMAO when I read this 20 minutes ago. The current battle isn't about price alone but mostly demand(motion)at this point in the game but of course price has some effect.

Then you have major blockbusters in every genre in gaming on the 360 this holiday.

There will nothing but very competitive bundle deals this year because MS knows the demand for their console is very high.

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Yes we're talking about WW and I disagree with your opinion. The 360 was selling almost 2 million a month in NA alone last holiday.

This is a sign were the general public want to play these games and what games they want to play http://n4g.com/news/833821/...

MysticStrummer4634d ago

So the fact that PS3 has outsold 360 worldwide since launch at a higher price, and is doing so again this year, should also be a clear sign of what people want to play, no?

TheFirstClassic4634d ago

Good lord you are a troll. All you ever say is f*** ps3.

Biggest4634d ago

"Then you have major blockbusters in every genre in gaming on the 360 this holiday"

All but one or two are also on the PS3. I don't see how that is a plus when there are far more offerings on the PS3 in comparison.

Clarence4634d ago

PS3 sold the same amount of consoles last holiday as 360. http://blog.seattlepi.com/m...

So despite the so call demand for the 360 last year, the PS3 tied holiday sells as well as outsold the 360 last year. Last year was the 3rd year in the row that the PS3 outsold the 360. Despite 360slim, kinect, and Halo Reach So its obviuos the demand for the PS3 is higher.

With a price cut and great lineup this year the PS3 will continue to outsell the 360 this year. As far as the PS3 outselling the 360 in NA I don't think that will happen every month. Its certainly can happen a couple times this year, but not often.

@MysticStrummer, and Mrmagnumman357

I agree, the facts are there for anyone to look up but yet you both get disagrees for telling the truth. Whats crazy is the 360 already has a cheaper console on the market for 199.99.

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Mrmagnumman3574634d ago

If your talking about worldwide, it will definitely outsell 360, its ahead by close to a million units this year, look it up. If your talking about america, it will be close. Just a heads up, any npd charts are only america, so dont be fooled by some chart that shows 360 ahead, unless hell freezes over, ps3 will be ahead ww at the end of the year, because its been that way since 2009.

cliffbo4634d ago

i check VGChartz every week and the ps3 has outsold the 360 World Wide every month for the last 12 months yet the gap between the 360 and the ps3 ACCORDING to VGChartz is growing in favour of the 360 how can this be run by 360 fanboys ?

Mrmagnumman3574634d ago

@ cliffbo, not sure if you go to latest charts, and worldwide yearly http://www.vgchartz.com/yea...
it says ps3 is up by over 800,000 for the year.

TBM4634d ago

i'd like to know what price cut they need when the damn system has been cheaper for god knows how long.

CoReI5K4634d ago

Never gonna happen...........move on guys and gals nothing to see here....just Pachter giving hope to ps3 owners who have been wishing for this to happen since day 1 :)

ndl15314634d ago

'never gonna happen ' ? you sound a bit too confident there huh ? this gen isn't over and i recall the ps2 selling millions more after the price drop to 199 and even 149 heck its selling now at 99 . the way i see it microsoft is just inflating its numbers by adding all the refubished systems it shipped plus take into account the rrod people who had to buy another system. just compare the xbox live accounts to psn accounts and you will see numbers dont lie . to make it simple and to the point there are more ps3s out there than there are 360s do a little research an find out for yoursealf before you post your rubbish like its fact

BLAZNBUDZ4204634d ago

Thats why there is over 20 million people on Xbox Live alone and I know for a fact PSN doesn't even come close to that number! That doesn't even take into consideration the amount of offline gamers and if the first amount has any indication on the later than you're so wrong PS fan boys.

KonaBro4634d ago

Blaz you don't know anything at all except what you want to believe. PS3 has outsold the 360 every year. End of story. The price cut will just solidify this.

DaTruth4634d ago (Edited 4634d ago )

"Thats why there is over 20 million people on Xbox Live alone and I know for a fact PSN doesn't even come close to that number!"

Then you know incredibly wrong! The fact is PSN has over 70 million accounts between PS3, PSP, PC and duplicates! The facts are also PS3 has more registered consoles online than 360's!

I don't think you know what a fact is, unless the fact is that you know wrong information, which you have shown is very factual!

The moon is made of green cheese, I know for a fact! Saying "I know for a fact", doesn't make it a fact!

baodeus4634d ago

It would be interesting to see how many of that 70 millions are actually paying for the PSN+.

First there are roughly 50 million ps3 sold, but there are 70 millions accounts registered.

How many individual PS3 owners are there on PSN (not to include duplicate/triplicate/quadrupli cate,etc... or from psp and PC)? It is really hard to determine.

BlazNBUDZ420 doesn't know what he is talking about either.

Soplox4634d ago

@BLAZNBUDZ420
If I'm good in math

75 Millions PSN Accounts>20 Millions XBOX Live Accounts

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blumatt4634d ago

Probably right. BUT,I highly doubt MS is going to stand idly by and not do a price cut too.

SixZeroFour4634d ago

think about this from a business stand point...if the sales arent dipping, then dont do a price drop (not sure about the 360's case, cause i dont follow the numbers too closely)

why would a business want to do a price drop and make you have to sell more just to get the same profit as pre-price drop...total units sold isnt what matters to them, its the profit per unit sold that does

dont get me wrong, i want one for the new gamers (i already have one) and more gamers, means more possible sales for developers, but the way we usually look at things is from whats best for us, not whats best for the business

so realistically speaking, unless 360 sales have been dipping the last couple months (which again im not sure of) then i wouldnt be surprise if i dont see a price drop happen soon

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How can any Xbox studio trust Microsoft now?

For Xbox’s hugely expanded gaming division, anything that isn’t Call of Duty is now a failure, and that’s a problem

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lelo2play15h ago

Honestly, If I worked presently for Microsoft's gaming division, I would update my CV and look for work elsewhere...

Simon_the_sorcerer15h ago

I would do the same, because MS will most likely pull-off more stunts like this in the near future...

Chocoburger5h ago

"Now"?

How about "ever"?

They closed so many of their dev teams during the second half of the Xbox 360 era. Have we forgotten history so quickly?

Dummy fake journalists acting so surprised over these recent closures, when this is something that's been going on for well over a decade now with MS.

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Report Claims Xbox Is Planning More Cuts Following Studio Closures

"The sudden closure of several video-game studios at Microsoft Corp.’s Xbox division was the result of a widespread cost-cutting initiative that still isn’t finished.

This week, Xbox began offering voluntary severance agreements to producers, quality assurance testers and other staff at ZeniMax, which it purchased in 2020 for $7.5 billion, according to people familiar with the company’s plans. Others across the Xbox organization have been told that more cuts are on the way.

Speaking about the closures more broadly, Booty said that the company’s studios had been spread too thin — like “peanut butter on bread” — and that leaders across the division had felt understaffed. They decided to close these studios to free up resources elsewhere, he said.

Game Pass has not seen the massive growth that Xbox boss Phil Spencer may have been hoping for."

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just_looken11h ago

Sense it seems very few remember that human's were around before 2020 the next studio to close will be bethesda based no doubt on the history of.

Fallout 76
Elder scrolls online
elder scrolls blades mobile
fallout mobile
The vr versions of old games

Then you got starfield pissing out cash nothing to cover it.

I doubt tod's team or any sub team is making m$ cash they are no doubt on the chopping block for job cuts

If you can remember before 2020 even fallout 76 was made with over 4 studios.

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"Speaking about the closures more broadly, Booty said that the company’s studios had been spread too thin — like “peanut butter on bread” — and that leaders across the division had felt understaffed. They decided to close these studios to free up resources elsewhere, he said"

So what you're saying is...you bought all these studios and you guys can't run them.

Jesus.

Inverno12h ago

Spread thin after firing over 2000 employees a few months prior. So basically they created the problem and their solution was to just fire more people. Absolute geniuses over at Xbox, of course can we even believe this to be the reason for the closures?

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Profchaos11h ago

Leaders can't run them hire more management create new roles don't shutter entire studios cause you can't figure out how to run them.

Unless the reality is this whole consolidation thing was really an excuse for IP harvesting

anast52m ago

He's lying. They are doing it for the shareholders.

Eonjay12h ago

Reports are suggesting that Game Pass will be getting a price hike soon and that Call of Duty may not be added to the day one offering. I honestly have a hard time believing this but it does beg the question why exactly did GP fail? I think the answer is that it just didn't get the growth that it anticipated. Jim was right but I wish he wasn't because at the end of the day, its gamers, devs and other front-line workers who have to absorb the blow for Spencer and team's miscalculations.

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NotoriousWhiz11h ago

And out of the ashes something even better than Xbox will be born.

Eonjay11h ago

Honestly as long as is not a situation where the industry has to contract in order focus wealth on a few people who are already trillionaires..

Barlos6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

It's already here and it was born before Xbox was even a thing. It's called PlayStation.

Tacoboto10h ago

I think 2022 killed the Series X.

2021 was a good year for Xbox though and maybe the best in a long long time, hardware and software and as a publisher. Halo Infinite launched to popularity, Forza Horizon 5 blew everyone away, Psychonauts 2 was so well received, Flight Simulator on console, Deathloop even on PS5 & PC.

But they followed that up with next to nothing. Then 2023 with Redfall, a disappointing Forza, Starfield, and 2024 leads with closures and layoffs. And some tweets reminding us Hellblade is days away.

The only disappointment with the PS5 is not enough Sony games. Xbox followed up no games with disappointing ones.

Scissorman12h ago

For all the armchair executives who were calling for Sony to release its big-budget AAA games on PS+, the same exact thing would have happened at PlayStation. Game Pass has killed Xbox. Congrats.

shinoff218312h ago

There's not many of of us clamoring for Sony to do this because most of us understand it would kill Playstation. I'm sure there's a few but I've not seen alot of it myself.

porkChop39m ago

"the same exact thing would have happened at PlayStation"

But the same thing *has* been happening at PS. They've closed, what, 3 or 4 studios so far this gen? Laid off plenty of staff, restructured studios, etc.

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Xbox Has Had More Studio Closures Than First Party Game Releases So Far In 2024

Twisted Voxel writes: "We've almost reached the end of the 1st half of 2024, and Xbox has had more studio closures than first party game releases in the year so far."

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KicksnSnares1d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

Hellblade 2, Indiana Jones, Avowed, Towerborne, and Call of Duty are still to be released this year. Marcus Fenix collection to be added to the list with the Xbox showcase, hopefully.

anast1d ago

Those are all coming to PS5 too.

Tech519h ago

"Xbox Has Had More Studio Closures Than First Party Game Releases So Far In 2024"

they kept the IPs though. they'll be making them under the MS brand i'm guessing. like minecraft all those years ago.

solideagle23h ago(Edited 23h ago)

the keyword is so Far...

on topic: Ouch!

Hedstrom21h ago

Kinda missing the forest for all the trees statement!

shinoff218321h ago(Edited 21h ago)

Bet all those don't make it though this year

romulus2320h ago(Edited 20h ago)

If we're going to talk in "still to be's" there still could be more studio closures from Microsoft this year as well.

DOMination-17h ago

How much confidence do people have in these games being good though? I hope they will be (especially Avowed) but from what we know of them so far, it's hardly a guarantee, is it?

And even if they do turn out to be good, how much of that will be down to Xbox and its leadership? Most of these games were either sequels to games made before being acquired or started development before being acquired.

And just a note on Hellblade II - it is out in two weeks and unless I'm missing something, I don't see much in the way of previews or advertising from Microsoft. Not ideal for a niche game that looks like it probably cost a lot of money to make. It genuinely feels like another game being sent out to die and then have the studio shut down.

Elda16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

To me...Avowed graphics look cheap, the game looks generic as well as boring.

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anast1d ago

Popcorn is good. Anyone want some?

anast20h ago

I wouldn't mind a caramel and cinnamon mix actually.

dumahim20h ago

That does sound good. I have trouble just finding caramel corn.

anast15h ago

I find it interesting that people have to resort to praising how they were randomly born in a certain location to say they're not weird. But, I'm not sure this kind of stupidity can be generalized over an entire group of people, at least, I'm being optimistic here.

Eonjay1d ago (Edited 1d ago )

Sony doesn't have to bother fighting the next Microsoft acquisition. The massive layoff by themselves should be enough to get the next big buy blocked.

Hofstaderman22h ago

Vindicates Jim Ryan. Don't know who didnt see this coming except those frothing pro acquisition fanboys who are not commenting here for some reason....

Tacoboto21h ago

What did happen to Obscure?

Tody_ZA21h ago

Obscure is working on his thesis on how to spin this.

Elda21h ago

Exactly. Where is the mayor & spokesperson of XB?

badz14920h ago

Obsecure where are you? Don't tell us Phil fired you too

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MatrixxGT19h ago

Let’s not pretend Sony is setting the world on fire with its first party either….it’s been crickets from them as well. In fact they even said not to expect any at all this year.
MS is a dumpster fire and Sony isn’t fighting anymore and it shows. I fail to see how this is a good thing.

Skuletor14h ago

Wasn't it no new existing IP entries? That would still leave room for new IPs, maybe we'll see one or more of those this year.

Sonic188119h ago

I was actually thinking about that. You beat me to it

MrDead23h ago

So if MS hadn't spent $80 billion consolidating the industry just think of all the games and jobs that would have saved.

MS is a drain on gaming and have been nothing but a negative.

MrCrimson21h ago

not exactly like the studios were putting out good games anyway. Industry needs to restart from the ground up; if games like battlebit or manor lords can be made by teams with 10 people - then there's something fundamentally wrong with having 500 man teams put out glitchy overmonetized crap.

shinoff218321h ago

Interesting. Prey was a good game, evil within was dope, and hi fi was the best Xbox game that Xbox has had in so many years. That's according to the base.

romulus2320h ago

HiFi Rush was a really good game actually so that's hardly the reason for shutting down Tango.

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