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GeoHot, separating legal fact from fiction

Sarcastic Gamer's resident attorney, Lono, weighs in on the legal facts and the fiction surrounding GeoHot and his self proclaimed rebellion against Sony.

From the article: "Hacking stuff is kinda cool… Right? I mean, we’ve had plenty of movies about them (Wargames, Hackers… etc), and we all love fighting against big mega corporations, so I see how the GeoHot story could have traction. I can see why people would want to support the guy. Unfortunately, there seems to be a ton of confusion as to his lawsuit, what he’s being sued for, what Sony wants out of the case and the “persecution” of GeoHot."

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LGFreedom4869d ago

Very good piece. I now know more than I ever did and I want my money back GeoHot!!!

xAlmostPro4869d ago

Brilliant article!

Maybe/Hopefully people will understand that sony aren't the bad guys here, they want to protect what they have and make sure PSN users for example have a ood experience online rather than having in-game stats reset or information stolen etc.

Geohot is a fool, a glory hunter.

Iroquois_Pliskin4869d ago

Exactly! People think Sony are the bad guys here, but its them who are releasing tons of exclusives this year.

hakis864869d ago

@ LGFreedom
You gave him money..?... LOL

I agree with you however - a good article indeed!

blackmagic4869d ago

I want to know why it's perfectly legal to hack the iphone but an atrocity that the ps3 has been hacked. How is it even remotely different?

Biggest4869d ago

The same way it's legal to "hack" an iPhone and illegal to "hack" bank security. Nothing to do with each other. The ONLY reason the iPhone was treated as it was. . . Provider exclusivity. Had Apple and AT&T not made their deal, the same thing happening to George Hotz now would have happened to him then. No part of hacking the PS3 leads to consumer freedoms or rights. It leads to theft, theft, and theft. What is homebrew for? Stealing games. What is saving full games to hard drive really for? Stealing games. Gaming consoles are not phones.

nveenio4868d ago (Edited 4868d ago )

I agree with you, but I honestly don't think that jailbreaking the iPhone should be legal. I think that the outcome of this case might be leverage for overturning the iPhone ruling. It really is the same thing, if you spend your time thinking about the case from GeoHot's perspective. The problem is that GeoHot isn't being sued for jailbreaking. He's being sued for facilitating computer crimes and the transmission of encrypted and copyrighted data. That's against the law. If Apple had wanted to, they could have sued anyone distributing iOS because that's Apple's property. GeoHot owns the hardware. There's no discussion to be had about that. If he wants to install custom firmware, that's fine. The catch is that the custom firmware can not contain ANY Sony code or patented intellectual property. And that's where GeoHot went awry.

It's the same reason Wine for Linux hasn't become a better product. Without copying MS code, the fellas behind Wine can't emulate the Windows experience.

HolyOrangeCows4868d ago (Edited 4868d ago )

Fact: The distribution of copy-protected code, the tampering and distribution of tampered copy-protected code, and the theft of copy-protected (or in his case, association with the theft of copy-protected code) are all illegal. Intent to extort is also illegal ("ZOMG! Don't sue or I'll release EVERYTING, SONIEZ!!").

Fiction: Sony is a big fat meanie who wants to keep us from using homebrew! Sony "stealing" OtherOS totally justifies the illegal distribution of copy-protected code!

"GeoHot claims (from his own blog)...He hacked his own PS3 and should have the right to do with it as he pleases"
LOL, he's so funny playing this card.
Him copying, tampering, and DISTRIBUTING copy-protected code = him playing with HIS Ps3 only?

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the_best_player4869d ago

I don't want to read if it's by "sarcasticgamer"....

SoSLy4869d ago

It's one of the best articles I have read so far about this hacking fiasco. They actually explained wtf was happening and they cleared some stuff out.

sobekflakmonkey4869d ago

Yeah, to be honest, that was probably the BEST article I have read on here(based on this subject) in a really really really long time.

Ilikegames764868d ago

The website is sarcasticgamer, but the writer is a lawyer and a gamer.

the_best_player4868d ago (Edited 4868d ago )

The site sometimes just tell lies and there's no point reading.

Kushan4868d ago

Considering the guy doesn't know that the team that began all this is called "fail0verflow and not "FAIL0VERTHROW", it would seem this "lawyer" doesn't actually know what he's talking about, or at the very least has only taken a passing glance at the whole ordeal. Let's have a look -

"can GeoHot do whatever he wants with his PS3, that he bought and paid for? The simple answer is no, in the same way that you can’t do whatever you want with your car"

Actually, you CAN do whatever you want with your car. Of course, if you make enough modifications, it wont be road legal, but that's fine, take it to a private track and you're sorted. No different to modding your PS3 and forgoing PSN really, is it?

He also claims that Geohot and fail0verflow "trafficked" in piracy. They did no such thing, it was other people such as Kmeaw and Waninkoko that released modded firmwares to allow Piracy. Geohot simply enabled homebrew and I challenge ANY of you to find a way to pirate games on his CFW (it can't be done).

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ReservoirDog3164869d ago

Finally someone that knows what they're talking about chimes in.

And he's saying what we've been saying all along. Basically.

shoddy4869d ago (Edited 4869d ago )

"Most damaging, is that Sony claims that GeoHot attempted to extort a job from Sony, which was the catalyst for his dissemination when they did not offer him a job. Specifically, they claim that his post on his blog stating, ““if you want your next console to be secure, get in touch with me.” is evidence of said extortion."

Geofrodo can get jail rape for this. Evidence on his own blog.
but Sony have class, they don't wanna ruin a kid think he's god life.

Geofrodo is over reacting.
he might be smart with computer but he have a lot to learn bout life wich is you are not GOD.

get out of your fuken basement!!

Christopher4868d ago

***On the other hand, Sony isn’t looking to bankrupt the guy. Heck, they didn’t even ask for damages, that we know of, yet. They simply want him to stop breaking their stuff and to take possession of the tools that he used to do it with. Sony isn’t going to “make new law” or establish “bad precedent” for gamers, as some have intimated. The DMCA has been litigated over and over. The Precedent is there. I think Sony has the evidence they need to shut him down.***

A remarkable fresh of breath air, IMHO, to see someone understand this.

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jahcure4869d ago

Exactly what i said earlier. He is in no position to win this thing and giving money is only going to benefit his lawyers.

Use your money for games and don't rely on this guy for the hope of "free" downloads or even considering this an "investment."

Pedantic914869d ago (Edited 4869d ago )

A well written article about the legal issues concerning Sony and Geohot.

Burning_Finger4869d ago

Excellent article..but unfortunately most people don't understand this kind of things.

AtomicGerbil4869d ago

Great read, finally someone who knows exactly what they are talking about.

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Sony Rewards Program Is Coming To An End on Dec. 31, 2024

Sony Interactive Entertainment has announced that it is ending the Sony Rewards program on December 31, 2024, and as a result that date will be the last time possible to redeem points and access your account.

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helicoptergirl3d ago

This is a shame. I've been using it since the start. It had a few problems and issues but overall I did end up saving a little bit over 60 dollars using this program. There was probably not enough people using it.

Cacabunga3d ago

Is it playstation stars?? I really never understood it. I am still level 1

PS_HCT3d ago

This is not playstation stars. Sony Rewards is a US rewards program linked to a visa credit card.

darthv723d ago

I just checked... I have 144 points at the moment. Not even enough to get a $5 PS card. I can get a $1 digital gift card to Target or home Depot though.

blackblades3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I thought they were been done with this, I redeem some good stuff with this in the past. Wonder how much i got its been awhile

OtterX3d ago

I've gotten so many free games throughout the years w this program, this sucks. I've been with it since the beginning.

I just run a majority of my needed purchases through it and pay it off immediately instead of using cash or debit. The most recent was on Tuesday I got a $10 dlc free. It was great as long you're not borrowing out large amounts of money that you don't have.

ChasterMies3d ago

Realistically, those weren’t free games. You could have used another cards rewards points or bought Sony products on sale and then used the savings to buy PlayStation games.

OtterX3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Well there was a large boost on any purchase made on PSN, so there was an incentive to use over other cards' rewards. It used to be better, then they lowered it. I forget the exact multiplier though.

I pretty much got this $10 DLC free this week just by resubbing my PS+ Premium. (On sale during Days of Play) Not a lot of other cards would give that much back

dumahim3d ago

Right. I can do the same thing with my credit card rewards, but I have much more flexibility in what I can redeem those points for, including buying PS games.

shadowT3d ago

I never owned the credit card. Was this program available in Europe and Asia?

Profchaos3d ago

Seriously it was awesome Ive gotten a few free psn vouchers out of it.

FPSRUSSIA3d ago

i remember getting Assassin creed black flag for free with Redeeming my Points for 10 dollars when it was on sale this is very sad news.

OtterX3d ago

I actually believe that was one of my first cashouts on the program! haha

I remember I had just gotten the PS4 and I used it on Black Flag or Battlefield 4 to go with it.
I'm pretty sure I remember it being Black Flag though! (Great choice, as it became my favorite AC of all time)

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Sony shares big new PS Plus stat, but not the one we want to see

PlayStation Plus has improved the split of PS4 and PS5 players on its priciest tiers, but Sony continues to hide total subscriber numbers.

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mandf23d ago

lol acting like it’s equivalent to ms numbers

Mr Logic23d ago

Uh...They're definitely not equivalent.

"Microsoft’s Xbox Game Pass service now has 34 million subscribers."

"the total number of PS Plus subscribers across all tiers was 47.4 million"

darthv7223d ago (Edited 23d ago )

That PSN number seems like it should be much higher... especially when you consider that PS4 alone has a sell through of over 117m. To not even be at least half that is rather interesting.

To the XB side, having 34m to an install base of roughly 50m (XBO sell through) or even 85m (360 sell through) is a greater percentage of unit to member ratio than PSN.

bloop23d ago

That's not the "gotcha" you think it is Darth.

darthv7222d ago

^^it's not supposed to be bloop.... it's just an interesting observation.

Einhander197222d ago

darthv72

"That PSN number seems like it should be much higher... especially when you consider that PS4 alone has a sell through of over 117m. To not even be at least half that is rather interesting.

To the XB side, having 34m to an install base of roughly 50m (XBO sell through) or even 85m (360 sell through) is a greater percentage of unit to member ratio than PSN."

Have you ever heard of a PC before? I hear they are pretty popular.

fr0sty22d ago

MS started lumping gold subscribers in with those GP numbers... keep in mind.

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shinoff218323d ago (Edited 23d ago )

What. Definitely more os plus subscribers but that makes sense due to actual console sales

Darth the difference between the bases are huge your right but you gotta think. Ps players buy more games, where as the Xbox base relies on gamepass for their gaming. So it makes perfect sense

darthv7223d ago (Edited 23d ago )

What makes perfect sense though? You say PS players buy more games... so then logically there should be more PS+ subscribers given the increased number of online multiplayer games in the PS4 generation alone. The PS4 was the first time that + was required for online play much like Gold was for 360 users.

Keep in mind we are talking subscribers, not simply XB/PS users. I assume you meant to say offline single player games, which is most likely true as well. That gen also saw a significant increase in games with an online component comparted to the previous gen.

victorMaje23d ago

I for one will be going back to essential at the next renewal. When I feel a game is good & right up my alley, I’ll check trusted reviews & just buy it.

jznrpg23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

I have the top tier until 2028 as they gave me a massive discount for all the years I had left but I’ll most likely go to essential as well. I buy my games but my kids do use the service occasionally. They do prefer to own their games as well since any game can leave the rental service at some point and they don’t like that idea. They mostly use it to demo games then ask me to buy games if they really like it.

RedDevils22d ago

For me, I will cancel it all together but unfortunately I still have it till 2030 lol

meganick23d ago

I would like to see Sony add a fourth tier of PS Plus for people who just want to be able to play games online without any of the perks like monthly games, store discounts, or anything like that, and it should cost $20 annually, $30 maximum. There’s no way I’m paying $80 just to play games online. Even the original $60 fee was too much, and I would often wait for sales to re-up my subscription.

P_Bomb22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Essential is too expensive, I agree. We’ve got one Essential and one Premium sub. Dropping the Premium when it expires.

gamerz22d ago

Just let my subscription lapse for the first time since 2010. Will sub again every now and then for a month or so to access my old ps+ games but for me it's the end of an era.

DivineHand12522d ago

Let those numbers continue to drop because it is now too expensive. $80 per year just to play online. I noticed they didn't offer any discounts on the subscription or controllers during this year's days of play for the first time in many years and they will feel it when people choose not to renew.

My subscription will lapse next month and it will stay that way until further notice.

KevtheDuff22d ago

There were savings on subs and controllers here in the UK? I bought a controller yesterday in the sale..
It would be weird if those deals were not in other territories too?

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Sony Says The PS5 Is Its “Most Profitable Generation To-Date"

During Sony’s recent business segment meeting and investor presentation regarding its game and network services, the PlayStation company revealed that PlayStation 5 is the company’s “most profitable generation to-date.”

It’s the top slide of the presentation, showing that in its first four years, the PS5 generation has already hit $106 billion in sales, having almost caught up to the PS4’s total $107 billion generated.

Operating income for the PS5 generation has also already surpassed that of the PS4, having now reached $10 billion.

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ApocalypseShadow24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

I wouldn't doubt it. They released a high quality system. A lot of high quality games from themselves and their support of 3rd party developers and indies. They released many high quality remakes and remasters. They released a high quality GaaS game going against the naysayers thinking Sony would abandon single player games. And they most likely are profiting a lot more than PS1, PS2 PS4 and the loss leading PS3 that drained all their profits.

Now, I'll wait to see what's cooking tomorrow. But can you use some of those profits to better support your high quality VR headset? Because, by supporting it, you can sell more games and more systems and make more profits?

jznrpg24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

I want RPGs for PSVR2! Good ones of course

shinoff218324d ago

If it had some rpgs I would buy right fking now. It looks dope and alot of fun, but it's biggest game resident evil 4(maybe) I've got no interest in. I'm not a fan of racing games, even with that metro game coming i was never much into that series. Rpgs would be fantastic.

MrNinosan24d ago

Lemme know if ya wanna play some Zenith 🙌
Bought it at release, but haven't played it more than 1-2 hours but for sure on my "todo list".

Cacabunga24d ago

Normal when they released mostly cross gen games so far. That’s a lot of money saved..
We haven’t seen what PS5 can do yet. 4years in and PS4 games still look great to me. The gen leap isn’t quite there yet.

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The interesting metric for me is the $106billion in operating income/profit (not sales as mentioned in the article) reaching the same as the PS4 did with only half the consoles sold.

In particular because they all are supposed to be making the most per hardware sold after a few years when manufacturing costs are down.

So even putting inflation aside(and the higher console price), it is interesting that they could reach PS4 $ with just half the consoles sold.

Maybe there is more to the metric thats whats seen at face value, but they have clearly been making a lot more money than before on the software side (with also less games released I suppose, given its only been half the generation so far)

VersusDMC24d ago

The bulk of the money has to be coming from the 30% cut on all games and microtransactions. Especially on all the free to play juggernauts like genshin, apex, fortnight, etc.

--Onilink--24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

@Versus

They are definitely making a lot on that for sure (which the $70 price increase factors into as well), but its not like many of those games werent around for the PS4 too.

They might be counting the gen as a whole and not just PS5 itself (so extra profit from PC sales, whatever that may be)

PS+ price increase and different tiers probably amount to part of that too.

But in general, its still quite a surprising metric. Half the time, half the consoles sold, less first party games released so far and still already making more of a profit than last gen is quite something, and as mentioned, there is probably more to it that we dont know, after all, since we are talking about operating income, all the expenses they have also factor into it, so it is also possible that they have found ways to significantly reduce that + all the means of increased revenue that appear to be factoring into the equation

All in all, just an interesting situation from a business perspective

porkChop24d ago

It's for the whole generation, so it would likely be including PC. They also make much more profit on digital sales vs retail, and digital is far more prominent these days. The generation also started at the height of COVID when everyone was home, spending far more money on gaming/hobbies. It makes a lot of sense for this gen to be more profitable.

Abnor_Mal24d ago

This will surely shut up all the new trolling accounts trying to spread lies and non facts in other articles comment sections before this article is posted.

Hofstaderman24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Obscurely, those trolls or troll will not show in these articles as the truth is contradictory to his or their orchard-sized daily dose of copium and hopium.

Tacoboto24d ago

Or... They're intentionally trolling you guys specifically. Because they know it upsets you so easily.

Name-dropping Orchard, after this many months? How long has it been and he's still in your thoughts?

Elda24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

I'm quite sure the individual is reading these positive comments downvoting & seething at the same time. Edit: It just downvoted my comment...lol!!

Hofstaderman24d ago

No I'm entertained by this individual. I love unhinged people, they are so interesting lol.

repsahj24d ago

Wow! I am super impressed that in just 4 years, ps5 already caught up to the PS4's. Congratulations.

JackBNimble23d ago

That happens when half of your games are cross platform. I'm still waiting to see what the ps5 is capable of, because they sure haven't pushed any limits.

And where are all these ps5 exclusive games?

sagapo24d ago

Not really surprised as Sony barely has any competition at the moment.

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