2011: Kinect Vs Move

"The figures are in and it seems Kinect is dominating the market with 8 million sales over Move’s 4 million, despite the PS3 motion controller having a full month’s head start. But it’s early yet, so we look at the year ahead to see what’s in store for Kinect and Move."

[Rainstorm81]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1...

In the very cnet article Sony said sold to retailers 4.1 mil and MS said 2.5 sold to customers.

Why does wach company keep flip flopping stats just to fit the current PR hype? Sold-through, Sold in, Shipped, and Sold... all to mask true figures. This is why sales should NEVER matter to gamers its ALL PR talk.

Since this article belives the hype.....in one month (DEC) MS sold 5.5 mil kinects and Sony didnt sell 1 move controller.....ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Leave the sales games to the corporate guys, with the charts and graphs

[TimmyShire]

You must not have read the article then. It doesn't discuss sales at any point except the opening intro, everything else is what gamers can expect from either Kinect or Move in 2011.

[Rainstorm81]

"The figures are in and it seems Kinect is dominating the market with 8 million sales over Move’s 4 million, despite the PS3 motion controller having a full month’s head start."

Once i read that opening sentence i knew there wasnt much journalism to be found here.... starting an artice with non-definative numbers when something more relavant couldve sufficed. As you said it supposed to be a preview of 2011 motion line up for Move and Kinect.

Whatever you gotta do for hits i guess

[jetlian]

Sony sold during dec just no one knows if they surpassed the 4.1 shipped earlier. MS went from a sold(guaranteed sale) of 2.5 to who knows 8 million shipped.

The longer sony waits to release numbers the more it will seem they haven't passed 4.1 million.

[TBM]

does anyone find it strange that 360 news is predominantly kinect news, and actually less about game news is coming out?

i mean even with Move were still hearing what games are coming out for PS3. hell even the news we hear about wii is actually about games, and not their control scheme.

just browsing the first 3 pages of this site is off putting with news of only kinect and no mention of new IPs, or any other games for the 360.

[Bigpappy]

Well that would be because the Move seems dormant at this point. The games for it are not charting and Sony is not releasing any new info for it. Kinect on the other hand is receiving positive press on how well it is selling and the games are charting rather high for only having about 7mil in customers hands so far (High attach rate. Sale are and endorsement buy the public for what they prefer. Ignoring sales is stupid.

[TBM]

@big

I'm not worried about the games for the Move because i know they'll eventually come, but at least we are still getting news about actual core games for the PS3, and even the Wii in which we still heard about games not just its control scheme.

i would like to know what other games are coming to the 360 besides causal game crap, or sequels we already know about.

personally even though i own the Move that is not the only gaming news i care to hear. even though those games (use term loosely) chart high that doesn't mean that is what im looking forward too on my 360.

[RedRedSuitSDF]

You must not look on the right sites then. I see games coming out every where besides Kinect stuff for the 360. It's going to be a great year for gaming.

[cereal_killa]

Really miDnIghtEr20C why don't you post these so called games you see coming out from these "other sites"? what! what's that your talking out your a$$ again from imagination land. All ive seen so far is Kinect games thats it so please prove us wrong.

And BigPapy please do us all a favor and STFU all your ranting will not get you a job at M$. Sony doesn't need Move to survive anything, right now they deliver so many great games year after year that adding Move support to them with some exclusive games is an added bonus for people who have it same thing can't be said about M$ it seem the only way your going to play anything exclusive on the 360 is to buy Kinec, M$ knows just how to screw with you brainwashed Muppets and you accept it not matter what.

"you want to play new M$ games you'll have to dump your old xbox for a new one"

"you want to play exclusive games in the year 2011 you'll have to buy Kinect to do that"

I really hate to see what happens when they release a new system chances are they're going to do the same thing they did with the old Xbox.

[snaz27]

bigpappy lol... Kinnect is receiving positive press about the sales? Ha ha ha... Really? Is this what kinnect has become? A sales machine!?... How about positive press about the actual hardware? Go check out some reviews on meta... 9 out of ten say its cool for kids but its unresponsive and you need a rather large play area... This is what should matter to us! Shareholders care about sales! Us gamers should care about quality!

[Bigpappy]

@cereal: "F" off! End of comment.

@snaz27? You actually got that right. Kinect is a sales machine for M$. You rely on reviews way to much to tell you how you should spend your money. Why don't you visit one of the many stores that have it on display for you to try, and see how unresponsive it really is and how much space it requires. It is time to grow up and stop being a sheep. Don't rely on other peoples opions to form one of your own, because at the end of it, you never really had one. Got my drift?

For those who are saying 360 will have only Kinect games, I will list a few I am looking forward to and you can let me know if those are not games that the core gamers would love to play.

Ghost Recon; Two Worlds 2; Mass Effect3; Elder Scrolls5; Dragon age 2; Saint Row3; ...

Go!

[Biggest]

Oh nice! Bigpappy is talking about the awesome games that'll be on my PS3 at some point! I knew you weren't only about Kinect, Bigpappy.

[Rageanitus]

They flip flop depending on the timing....that is the beauty about stats .... it all depends hwo well they want to advertise to the shareholders.

Sold to the retail stores meaning actual money made by the company.... sold to the consumer shows there is demand and there might be more sales the retails in the future.

[jneul]

aslong as the guys doing the charts aint vgchartz count me in, also people who say sony have not sold anything because they aint reported sales are just sad, sony is not going to update us on move sales every single month you know, the release has passed i don't expect to hear anymore more sales for a while, until we get ps3 shipment figures that is

[EVILDEAD360]

2010 is in the books and it's clear that out of the two devices, Kinect had the steepest hill to climb.

The Fan bloggers and haters tried to convince the world for a year and a half that Kinect was going to flop and no one would buy it.

Now fast forward and Kinect is overwhelmingly a huge success and it's got the haters losing their minds (on a daily basis)

I own em' both..and spent wayyy too much money on both..

But I will keep it 100% real about both systems

Kinect

Micrsoft hit a home run..the word of mouth and reponse is Wii-like..the nuimbers will climb thoughout 2011

The launch games proved perfect but Micrsoft has to once again hit it out of the park for E3. Ignore the haters, Microsoft has to take it upon itself to prove that Kinect can provide a gaming experience that can draw the masses. Between Micrsoft and 3rd party if post E3, Kinect has at least 3 or 4 must-buy titles Kinect will break it's own records next holiday and push the 360 to it's best year since..2010

Move

It's clear that Sport Champions was the the shining beam of light for Move. It's fun and honestly is the best reason right now to buy two controllers.

You can determine for yourself how successful you belive Move is, but it is clear that if SOCOM was actually ready for launch or even for 2010 period, Move would have been a dominant force.

It's clear that Sony's strategy of using Move as an alternate controller for games is where they feel Move will have the most success.

But, if you use the 2010 as an example then just like Kinect, Move still has alot to prove. The reason is in 2011, Move has to prove that using the Move for those games actually enhance the gaming experience beyond the DS3.

Tiger Woods, NBA 2K11, and MAG are examples of where the controller far exceeds playing with Move.

I love and play Sports Champions, Start the Party and my NEW favorite Dart game of ALL time..PSNs Top Darts.

But 2011, Killzone 3 HAS to prove that FPS with Move is as fun as the controller. In fact, if K3 really does have Move only multi-player games then that is a huge start.

The 3rd party developers like EA HAVE to stop simply 'tacking' on Move compatability and take it F-ing serious. Make the Move experience as flawless as it is with the DS3 and Move will shine and bring in additional sales for their titles.

If the K3 Move experience rules, SOCOM follows in it's footsteps and Sorcery isn't simply a Harry Potter game w/ Move compatibility then Sony's Move will have a record year for the device as well.

Only time will tell..can't wait to see how it all shakes out

Evil

[NateCole]

Its going to bit MS in the ass in this year with them stuffing the retail chanel from last year. Similar to what they did with the x360.

What MS is really hoping for is for the christmas momentumn but i doubt that will happen.

The Kinetic is really only popular in NA. I don't see MS sustaining Kinetic sales on a global scale.

[EVILDEAD360]

LOL @ you not even convincing yourself tha this statement is true

If the Xbox was ONLY poplular in NA it wouldn't be in the position it is in..

The fact is Japan is the ONLY terretory when the difffence in sales is extremely in favor of the PS3..which is perfect for both the PS3 and the 360..

The 360 dominating NA and staying neck and neck in Europe means that the biggest territories means the 360 can maximize 1st and 3rd party software success for it's biggest games

The PS3 selling without comp in Japan means Sony can use those numbers to drive the hardware sales in favor of the PS3. But, Japan has and always will be a non-factor for the biggest western games.

Either way, Kinect numbers are not simply coming out of NA as well and there is no reason why sales won't continue for it as well as Move..

Evil

[nycredude]

zzzzzzzz

Evil wake me up when there is some gaming news and you guys start talking about what matters to us, games.

[EVILDEAD360]

Evil wake me up when there is some gaming news and you guys start talking about what matters to us, games.

Actually, you might need to wake up play some of the games you pretend to talk about and maybe you'd stop trolling..because that's what really matters to you

You got a 'problem' with the 'news' then adresss it with the site (N4G right?) or the author of the article..

Evil

[DelbertGrady]

NowGamer is the gonnorrhea of videogame journalism. You guys make HHG look like a genius.

[Tommykrem]

Nobody makes HHG look like a genius on my watch!

[YOUR-MUM]

Another gaming site added to a fanboys black list.

[iamnsuperman]

All I hope for is that Move works as well as it looks for Socom and Killzone.

[Matthew94]

lol i loved how fanboys said no one would buy kinect and its selling twice as much!

[SWORDF1SH]

Hello there father!

Would you like a nice cup of tea?

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[SWORDF1SH]

Why are people disagreeing with a father ted reference?

Americans maybe

[DaTruth]

I don't know what I came here for! Should have known it would just be a bunch of kids crying and screaming at each other!

I'm outta here!

Peripheral wars... that's crazy!

[Stryfeno2]

Funny thing is if it was the other way around(Move selling more) Sony fanboys would of been gloating all over the place.

"Kinect Can Do More" What a true statement.

[mac_sparrow]

Ah the irony of your name and avatar. You call it the Patchstation 3, yet you proudly display a ff13 box art. Was it released with the subtitle ":Heavily Artifacted Compression" on your system of choice?

See, we can all find things about the other system to be dicks about, how about we all tried just enjoying the games?

Who knows, it could be fun.

[RedRedSuitSDF]

Couldn't of said it better Patchstation 3. And you know this is true.

[cereal_killa]

"Kinect Can Do More on PC" FIXED! What a true statement.

[Biggest]

I'm still trying to figure out what Kinect can do more of. It can do more of the same games we've seen on EyeToy/PSEye and Wii. It can do more of the same video chat that we've seen on every PC, 360, and PS3 since the stone age. It can do more buyer's remorse once you realize that $150 bought you some "OMF FUN AT THE PARTY that we only have once or twice a year."

[nycredude]

How do you know this? Cause you are a fantards just like every other fantards here. It takes one to know one so obviously you would know. THe only reason why you guys always talk about Kinect is frankly you have nothing else to talk about cause that is what MS only talks about Kinect and sales and xbox live games.

Look at the guys above who list a bunch of mp games on the xbox coming out to combat another person questioning the 360 lineup. It's sad really. Don't forget guys that mnay people here own more than just the Ps3 and are allowed to be upset with MS's direct this coming year.

Just because you want to forever defend MS and take their shaft non stop doesn't mean everyone else should too.

[BLACKBOIJONES]

Who cares, i hate all this motion control BS :/

[BYE]

Unlike Microsoft, Sony doesn't rely on motion controls for the future. MS seems to base their entire strategy on it.

[M4ndat0ry_1nstall]

If that were true, then why is Sony incorporating Move into many of it's core titles, even going as far as adding support for Move in older games? Sony relied on the PS3 to inflate the sales of bluray by including it in the PS3. You are confusing support for a newly released device for desperation, desperation is forcing the consumer to buy a product they don't want by making it a requirement included in a product they do want.

Sony want to be the new wii and this is far more dangerous than MS's push for the separate casual and core experience.

Imagine this, Sony are developing a core title (UC4) that includes Move support. Sony realize that fast moving levels are almost impossible with Move. What can they possibly do? Remove Move support or gimp the game and remove those levels? If you can't think of an answer just look up Heavy Rain and the reason the cancelled DLC was cancelled.

This is the future of the PS3, it's devolution begins with Move and 3D support, enjoy :)

edit @Chromer: oh but I can reply bro, u mad? lol.

The Heavy Rain DLC was cancelled because of "Move" and that was my whole point. The DLC was planned and cut - gimped - in favor of PS Move support.

This isn't a conspiracy it's what will happen and is already happening.

The next step is online multiplayer that supports DS3 and Move players on the same servers, being gimped with extreme mandatory aim assist for both player types (DS3+MOVE) to "help" Move players have an equal experience to DS3 players.

Mark my words.

[Chromer]

So you don't have a chance to reply with anymore idiotic conspiracy theories.

Also, the reason the Heavy Rain DLC got canceled was due to QD patching in Move into the game, not because the DLC they planned wouldn't be able to work with Move.

Get your facts straight kid.

[PlayerX]

In actual real word Success the Kinect wins. In the eyes of N4G Sony always wins. And in the eyes of me................*Goes back to playing games*

[KratosGod3]

WOW Articles now come with this crap; "The figures are in and it seems Kinect is dominating the market with 8 million sales over Move’s 4 million, despite the PS3 motion controller having a full month’s head start"
But, when we talk bout the full year head start of the 360 is ok to say that 360 is dominating the market with more sales...mmmm
BTW I don't think Move didn't sold a single Move controller in one Month.

[Strikepackage Bravo]

OK that was a REALLY weak point, why cant you guys just admit, you talked smack before Kinect came out claiming it would not sell and that MS was stupid and evil, while move was superior.

Now Kinect is out and move is an after thought that is being outsold by Kinect 2 to 1, and once AGAIN you PS3 fanboys were wrong; you guys have been wrong about everything you have claimed this gen, everything. You would think you guys would learn and just stfu about all things 360 and just concentrate on PS3.

@inzo below, like I said you guys are always wrong.

IF you argue 360 has no games this year it has nothing to do with kinect because any games coming out this year would have been planned well before Kinect was even announced.

If ?MS has no games this year they would not have had any even if Kinect didnt exist, Kinect has nothing to do with it.

Dont worry, half those PS3 exclusives wont be out this year either, in the end both consoles will have the same number of exclusives for 2011 like always.

[Loner]

Exactly man the amout of trolling and $hit talking in those Kinect articles was unbelivable.Im tempted to go and dig them up for some lulzy quotes

[Fallouts]

agree 100% every year sony announces a boat load of games and some how by the end of the year that list is cut and micro drops just as many games. not bad considering that sony owns more studios than micro and nin. combined!

i love all the consoles they have a provided great games this gen but its just crazy how in love this site is with the ps3, you speak against it and you lose bubbles in a matter of days..

its just funny how sales dont matter until it favors the ps3 then and only then its all good.

+bubble its crazy how you cant have much of an opinion on this site cause of this weak bubble system. all i know is that im out when im down to 1 bubble. that should be soon considering that my last 2 posts go against the grain on n4g and thats all it usually takes to lose a bubble..

[Biggest]

We were wrong about Kinect's sales. We were right that Kinect can't be used for any game that isn't on rails. It can't be used for any graphics intensive games. It can't be used for any games that require intricate controls. It has pulled Microsoft's focus away from core gamers and has transformed all of the "GEARS/HALO/MASS EFFECT ARE BETTER THAN SONY'S GAMES!" fanboys into "KINECT IS THE BEST!!!" fanboys. We were right about all of that.

Can someone show that list of exclusive games for Strikepackage Bravo? He seems to think that there are equal amounts of exclusive games for the 360 and PS3. He is very, very wrong about that.

[SpinalRemains138]

It doesn't matter. You don't understand.

Kinect can sell 200 million, but the bottom line is that UNLESS YOU'RE 12 YEARS OLD......it's worthless. It's a silly childs toy and nothing else. The reason that the SONY crowd laughs at it, is because the parent company has stripped away funding for everything else in favor of this childish toy. No more Halo or great exclusives. They're gone forever. Now you get to dance and pet tigers. Do you see the point now? No one is getting revenue. We play games, and I'd much rather play an AAA exclusive over jumping in my living room.

[nycredude]

I think you guys need to take a chill pill. NO ONE ever said kInect wouldn't sell. Only an idiot would think with a 500,000,000 add push it wouldn't sell. GAMERS are questioning MS's direction as a console platform holding anda content provider. Do you really want to play nothing but mp games and kinect games?

I could care less how much the 360 sold cause I had one and didn't like it. I could care less how much Ps3 sold cause I have one already. I could care less how much the move sold cuase I have them also.

What I do care about are the over 10 exclusive games I will buy form Sony this year and non from MS. DOn't like Gears series and Forza Series.

Hennessey

Exclusive are the only thing tat matter. Why becuse mp games are available on both consoles. Why would I choose console A over B if console B has access to all the mp games on console A AND tons of exclusives that can't be played on console A?

Difference in MP games are a myth. It's fodder for fanboy wars.both consoles has sold enough that developers really can't ignore either. And no matter what people say the two online services do the job of online games, only one you HAVE to pay for. SO the only real difference between the two are the exclusive games. MS just can't hang with Sony. I mean seriously SOny gaming pedigree is so strong they are able to provide content for the PS3, PS2, (slowing down), PSP, PSN, Computer (SOE), Soon to be PS Phone and PSP2.

MS bare has enough to handle 360 and Kinect now.

[Inzo]

This is shoddy journalism at its best, Microsoft has already admitted that it has indeed not sold 8 mil units, only shipped. Mark my words, with kinect the core gamers of xbox will take a back seat but dont worry, Sony will and its unbeatable exclusives will welcome you with open arms.

[hennessey86]

exclusive games were all that matterd but with the quality of games coming out this year like deadspace 2, crysis 2, bulletstorm, test drive, dirt 3, yet another cod and countless others its not as if 360 only gamers are going to be short on games is it. Oh well back to my 90 lap endurance tace on gt5............... PEACE

[Inzo]

Fair enough but Im talking about future and more specific exclusives of the core xbox gamer

[Loner]

Sonys never released a successful peripheral.Move was doomed from the start

[ReBurn]

That's an interesting perspective. In reality most peripherals fail. They fail because there is rarely support for them past the first couple of games.

Both the 360 Live Vision camera and PSEye were relegated to obscurity from the start. Sony revived PSEye with Move. Microsoft has likely completely given up on the Live Vision camera.

As far as doomed, that depends on the software support. We can all see that Microsoft's focus is on Kinect in 2011 by the severe lack of non-Kinect games in the lineup that has been announced already. Sony has stuff planned for Move, too. As long as the good software is there the peripherals will do just fine.

[jneul]

actually move is doing really well(4.1m sold last time i checked, to be updated on shipment figures day), just not as well as kinect at the moment, if eyetoy was deemed a success at 10m, then move will be an easy success especially seen as it's actually gives them profit, kinect selling more is good but how many kinects will they need to sell to get rid of that 500m marketing budget offset hmm

[Loner]

They probably make that back in live fees

[jetlian]

million would be enough sold and to the guy up above the vision camera works on EA and ubisoft games. I also video chated with it and my friend was on kinect

[snp]

Odd. Opening sentence uses Move late November shipping numbers versus Kinect early January shipping numbers. Realise Sony haven't yet released/revised their numbers for anything more factual, but that's a reason to 'not' compare the numbers - it's apples versus oranges - until you've actually got like for like numbers. Or at least make mention that you're not comparing like for like somewhere in the preamble.

"The figures are in..." Wtf?

[niceguyWii3]

wish I had some new games to play on my 360 not this kinnect crap, it just sits there collecting dust.

[prettyboy1]

2 questions,whats this guy smokin and can i have sum.and for u kinect loyalist u dont kno the actual number to ur precious kinect so teniquely thier can be no comparison until actuall numbers come out for both.and who the hell r these people who soposely sh!t talk about kinect,cus its my knolege u have to care about something to care about it

[divideby0]

so there are a bunch of 12 year olds and under playing kinect....
big whoop.

I didnt buy either Kinect or Move yet.. Until I see an game someone over 12 would not feel embarrased to play with Kinect, I will buy it.
Move at least has REAL games, suiting gamers, not kidz

[hennessey86]

im 24 years old and im really enjoying kinect. Its great when family and friends come round and im getting fit in the process..........but it isnt stopping me from playing my usual games infact im taking a break right now from a 90 lap race on gt5. Kinect was never touted as a hardcore gaming add on why cant you people get that into your heads because you will be wasting alot of time on here waiting for one to come around

[kewlkat007]

Haven't been on here in a while...I have seen both devices and used them both, not really my thing(fulltime) but they both have other uses.
Kinect to me is more fresh then the move because the Wii already did that with dumb down graphics.

[Adva]

Wii did not do 1:1, ok thank you.

[kewlkat007]

The average consumer..will see move and immediately think Wii, that is what I meant. Not the (How it's done)jargon which most consumers don't really look into like most of us.

At the end of the day, it's the truth.

Nobody is going to walk in the store and say "mom I want 1:1 motion sensing peripheral". When lag is introduced..it probably doesn't matter much 1:1.

[WeaseL]

I would expect MS to sell more with how much they have spent on marketing than Sony. MS needs to sell a lot more than Sony just to break even.

[PS3gamer4life]

Ps3 and Move =hardcore-360 kinect=sucks

[WiiPS3beats360]

yea seriously how many kinects does M$ need to sell in order to break even off from that 1.5 billion spent on marketing & R&D, like 30 million or something
lol M$ just dug their own hole

[THAMMER1]

Glad to see Move and Kinect are selling well and both console giants are supporting the new add-ons in different ways. Ps3 loyalists and xbox alike just hate to see one out-due the other in at all. Time to grow up people! Currently I have only Kinect and no plans to buy a Move for my PS3 untill a sharp price drop. I think Sony should just continue to push move even though its less popular than the Wii and Kinect.