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Kinect Dominates Discussion, Gets Double The Exposure of Move

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"Microsoft’s Kinect is proving to be quite the talking point in the run up to Christmas this year and since the start of August it has consistently been written about more than Sony’s Move. In the past four months Move has been written about 737 times, with Kinect gaining nearly double that amount of exposure with 1,325 individual articles mentioning the device."

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Godmars2905320d ago

Yet fails to sell twice as well in half the time...

God, just give it a rest. Stop. Just Stop.

Killed4Less5320d ago

More like sell a Nav = Move sale! Not to mention you need 2 Moves to equal the same experience with 1 Kinect.

Not even something that should be compared since the Move can be piece together and each piece could potentially count as a Move sale.

Cevapi885320d ago

"2 Moves to equal the same experience"....LMFAO

for you to say that shows just how ignorant you are...it also tells me that you have never touched a Move controller

gijsbrecht5320d ago

Please don't let my 2 precious Moves equal the same experience as 1 Kinect. Then they would be seriously broken.

Dramscus5320d ago

It has twice the exposure because the spent 500 million on advertising. Compared to the advertising for move which was probably in the low single to double digits.

GoodGuy5320d ago

So, selling a NAV equals selling a MOVE? Are you a moron?
They are 2 DIFFERENT devices.

ryuzu5320d ago

Actually, Sony specifically exclude Nav sales from the press releases.

But this is N4G - no one reads the news so it's no surprise you look like an idiot right about now lol.

r.

SilverSlug5320d ago

Since there is like, one game that requires 2 controllers to play, you would be wasting your money.

Especially since that game is that crappy Fighting game.

NecrumSlavery5320d ago

Nav = Move sale?

You can't even compare Nav sales. That's just bonus points.

Compare Kinect & Move cause the Nav is just another example of why Kinect games are stationary or rail based only.

ComboBreaker5320d ago

Look at all these articles trying to qualify Kinect and convince others that Kinect is cool.

"Hey guys, Kinect is so cool. Everyone is talking about Kinect. Did you know what Kinect has twice the exposure of Move? Twice the exposure!!! Celebrities love Kinect."

If it's that cool, then it doesn't need to insist upon itself.

Move doesn't need to try to convince others that Move is cool. Move doesn't need to insist upon itself. Move just is.

Rumbanana5319d ago

"More like sell a Nav = Move sale! Not to mention you need 2 Moves to equal the same experience with 1 Kinect."

Yet 2 move controllers and a camera are still less expensive than 1 Kinect. LOL you're XBOT logic astounds me. PEW, PEW, PEW!

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Active Reload5320d ago (Edited 5320d ago )

"Yet fails to sell twice as well in half the time"

I don't get it. Unless you're telling me you had that high of hopes for Kinect, lol. Wouldn't Move coming out in September be considered a headstart, lol?

"God, just give it a rest. Stop. Just Stop."

Lol, yes please do xD

ryuzu5320d ago (Edited 5320d ago )

Well maybe it's a "right back at ya!" thing.

360 with a year "head start" apparently had nothing to do with PS3 not overtaking it in sales day one.

So what goes around comes around - how come Kintec hasn't outsold the lowly, unmarketed, wii-rip off Move - it only had 1 month head start.

r.

thebudgetgamer5320d ago

" Wouldn't Move coming out in September be considered a headstart, lol?"

yea if wasn't for that head start it wouldn't be in the lead at all right? oh wait.

AnointedD5320d ago (Edited 5320d ago )

Your comment makes very little sense Godmars. If kinect had 4 times the exposure only then would it sell twice as much in half the time...think about it, thats what maths dictates.
Kinect however has SOLD in 25 days what Move SHIPPED in a month.
So far Move is shipped 4.1 million in 75 days
Kinect has sold 2.5 million in 25 days. Even if we say Move has sold 4.1 million, that's 54667 per day and Kinect is at 100 000 per day. Twice the exposure, twice the sales in the game time frame. This public service announcement was brought to you by basic mathematics and these quotes..."We are thrilled about the CONSUMER
response to Kinect, and are working
hard with our retail and
manufacturing partners to expedite
production and shipments of Kinect
to restock shelves as fast as possible
to keep up with demand, ” said Don
Mattrick, president of Microsoft’s
interactive entertainment business.
“ With SALES already exceeding two
and a half million units in just 25
days, we are on pace to reach our
forecast of 5 million units sold to
CONSUMERS this holiday. ” and from aaron greenberg<<MSFT says it sold 2.5 million Kinect
to consumers. Impressive that's to
consumers not sell in to retail. #
halfwaythere>>

DaTruth5320d ago (Edited 5320d ago )

That math was terrible! It fails to take into account that products tend to sell more in their first month than the second or that Kinects timeframe includes Black Friday, whereas Move's timeframe contains no "biggest shopping day of the year"!

MS is also spending 500 million on people writing about it! I'm sure gaming magazines who are receiving ad revenue from MS are under the impression they're suppose to write more about it to access that revenue!

r1sh125320d ago

its just marketing noise..
The MS marketing team have done better, but here in the UK (ENgland) - kinect has not had as much exposure.
I havent seen it in any stores to try out, the Move ad's are on the TV quite a bit.
I might be missing the kinect ad's, but I havent seen many on the TV - most likely because I work.
I think the difference is in the streets and stores, there is a big 'bonanza' in many stores for kinect but not for move.
Seems like MS bullied their way in.
Its a shame, if Sony had the aggressive marketing MS do IM sure sony would have taken the lead a long time ago.

metsgaming5320d ago

yet the advirtising is way more than 2 to 1 , the discussion should be large that more like 4 to 1

aceitman5320d ago

gee anything would get exposure with 500 million $ on advertising ... come on, it doesnt take a genius to figure that out does it .

Christopher5320d ago

For $500m, it better get more discussion.

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verygoodyear5320d ago

It must be down to the technology. Move, while cool, is basically just seen as Wiimote.

It'll be interesting to see what this is like when the proper games get released.

karl5320d ago

yeah.. the be informed about the technology is very important

the more time it passes more casual people will understand what each one can do..

honestly .. when peple understand what little kinect can do and the rumors spread.. it will sink in sales

Viper75320d ago

Yeah people probably missed EyeToy when it came out, would think even the casuals would be having some sort of dejavu from current Kinect lineup. (shame really, Kinect seems to pack quite nice tech from what I have seen people using hacked kinect for. Bringing objects to a game could be kinda neat. )

bananlol5320d ago

The eyetoy sold about 10 million copies.

AnointedD5320d ago

Source on that 10 million please

Cenobia5320d ago

If you are waiting for 'proper' games for Kinect you are going to be waiting for a long time. I am willing to bet that Kinect will muster maybe as many core games as the Sixaxis-only games have (like 3).

Being unable to use Kinect to navigate 3D space makes it hard to utilize for core gaming. I can imagine a Myst-like puzzle solving game, because it makes you stop at each area, but that is the extent of my ideas for a fun Kinect game.

Move still needs to bring the games, but being included in games like RE5, KZ3, and Socom shows that it is at least possible.

Dylantalon15320d ago (Edited 5320d ago )

It's funny that I haven't read or heard about an article which talks about which product is better or works as advertised.

Godmars2905320d ago (Edited 5320d ago )

One just went up:
http://n4g.com/news/655552/...

This just wont stop, will it?

wuerflein5320d ago

Rabble will be roused over this.

triumphofhearts5320d ago

Being completely honest - I don't care about Move, I don't care about Kinect. BUT Kinect in concept and in execution has irritated me more than any other piece of hardware.

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Microsoft planning “major” Xbox layoffs next week

The cuts are expected to be announced next week.

Microsoft is also planning thousands of job cuts that will impact other parts of it businesses

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Obscure_Observer1h ago

MFs has been beating their chests over great quarterly results and big profits to shareholders while firing people by the thousands just like Sony.

I wonder if at the top of those rumored layoffs they´ll also cancel upcoming or unannounced games while shutting down more studios as well.

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pwnmaster30001h ago

Always got to throw shade at Sony smh.
Yes we get it,
MS good Sony bad
MS bad Sony is also bad lmao

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Obscure_Observer1h ago

F* them both!

Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares.

blacktiger20m ago

He was talking about both. Why you getting offended when he's using both names

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Tacoboto1h ago

"just like Sony"

Gosh you're insufferable, not everything needs to be both-sides'd. Sony's had layoffs, but nothing like what Microsoft has been doing and is continuing to do.

CrimsonWing691h ago(Edited 1h ago)

I mean, no offense, but this is why you’re not some corporate business person running a major corporation. Big profits don’t mean jobs are safe. Do you understand why things like this happen:

Cutting jobs to maintain or increase profitability, especially in underperforming divisions like parts of Xbox like other gaming divisions.

Corporate restructuring and relocating resources for strategic stability in ever changing markets and consumer behaviors.

Investor expectations and optimizing operations to maintain investor confidence. Whatever boosts stock prices and improves future margins.

And there’s many other factors at play. It’s never as simple as business doing well, everyone’s safe. That’s just you not understanding at all how corporations work and have been working since the beginning. This isn’t something that’s specific to Xbox, you can bet your ass Sony and Nintendo do this and if it’s not clear by now, game development is not a stable job nor has it ever been for many. A lot of developers are contractors and guess what happens when a project is done?

-Foxtrot32m ago

It's like banging your head off a wall, he just can't help himself.

Microsoft can do no wrong, Sony sucks at everything and Nintendo is bigged up because it's less hassle than trying to defend Microsoft all the time

What's going to happen when Microsoft finally turn completely third party, then what?

anast18m ago

I enjoy Obscure. Obscure does good work.

crazyCoconuts10m ago

Did you know that the first n4g was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program.

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Sony Faces Class Action in the Netherlands Over Allegedly Inflated PlayStation Store Prices

Mass Damage & Consumer Foundation in the Netherlands has filed a class action against Sony for inflating PlayStation Store prices.

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dveio25m ago(Edited 23m ago)

My personal opinion:

Manufacturers and publishers have indeed inflated the industry.

From $700 million development costs for games like Call of Duty, to digital (store) prices for games and DLCs, online multiplayer fees on consoles (why can you play Helldivers 2 online for free on PC but not consoles?) or still preventing sell/lend digitally purchased games.

Sometime in the future, this bubble will collapse.

They should know better, but they just can't help themselves and suck even the last penny out of our wallets.

anast7m ago

The Dutch gov. wants a piece of the pie.

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AMD CEO Shares Vision Behind Xbox Partnership and Next-Gen Chip Roadmap

AMD CEO Lisa Su talks about the Xbox AMD partnership, next-gen Ryzen + Radeon chips, and AI rendering tech coming to all Xbox devices.

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Obscure_Observer4d ago

AMD is really building hype around their unique partnership with Microsoft to help and build an advanced and seamless Xbox ecosystem across all Xbox consoles and devices.

I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimized chips" though? Seems ambitious.

Next year´s Xbox Showcase already looks promising and exciting. Here´s hoping they deliver.

InUrFoxHole4d ago

They had best show 3yrs in a row. Heading for another

VenomUK4d ago

Obscure_Observer said “I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimised chips" though? Seems ambitious.” To me, I interpret this to mean rather than having a couple of X/S products for launch and a handheld there is a longer term plan to release new products with higher specs at timed intervals. I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec.

Agent753d ago

But Microsoft forgot the games.

KwietStorm_BLM4d ago

It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever.

Ganif4d ago

Correct.

"Sony's PlayStation 6 reportedly will feature an AMD semi-custom APU with a Zen 5 CPU and UDNA GPU, capable of 4K 120FPS and 8K 60FPS gaming. The console will include X3D cache and advanced AI upscaling technology."

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

Obscure_Observer3d ago

"It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever."

I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released.

Notellin3d ago

You should have just lead this comment with the fact that you have zero understanding of technology in the consoles and instead have a Toms Hardware online forum level of education.

Obscure_Observer1d 1h ago

"It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever"

I´d told you were on some bs

https://www.pcgamesn.com/wp...

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Agent753d ago

But Microsoft forgot the games

Obscure_Observer3d ago

@VenomUK

"I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec."

Very interesting theory. Still not sure how MS would actually make it work.

KwietStorm_BLM3d ago

"I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released."

How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is.

Obscure_Observer2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

"How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is."

Dude, what I know for certain is that a tech as old as X3D chips which is actually *older* than both PS5 and Xbox Series consoles, is hardly the reason behind this new partnership between AMD and MS to build new *custom silicon* for next generation of consoles.

And yes it´s a huge announcement since AMD is working closely with MS to co-develop custom SoC which will allow backwards compatibility across all MS´s next gen devices allowing seamless integration between devices and full backwards compatibility across all generations of Xbox consoles.

I also know is that this announcement don´t have anything to do with Playstation and their strategy with AMD for the PS6, so stop comparing the two pretending that you know what´s going on, because you clearly don´t.

If Sony is working on something remotely similar, that´s remain to be seen.

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Fishy Fingers4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Some odd, deliberate wording, no branding, not 'Xbox consoles, Xbox handhelds' specifically, feels and sounds like they're building towards hardware that anyone can be used or licensed to/by themselves and other manufacturers.

Multiplatform software and hardware 'Xbox/AMD APU'.

Obscure_Observer4d ago

I guess you missed Sarah Bond´s next generation Xbox announcement this week, were she clearly states:

"I´m thrilled to share that we´ve established a strategic multi-year partnership with AMD to co-engineer silicon across a portfolio of devices, including, *our* next generation *Xbox consoles*."

But hey, I don´t think you´re entirely wrong, maybe MS will build their own Xbox consoles while licencing other manufactures to build and sell their own Xbox branded consoles. Who knows

BeHunted4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I think you watched the wrong video. It's below the description, or you can watch it directly on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/kprpRvsOua...

HyperMoused4d ago

Shares vision....we provide chips for money, this deal will sell many chips, we will make lots of money...good vision

Christopher4d ago

The marketing behind this is so heavy that I worry about the actual outcome. Why are they just not showing us the product, why all this talking in market speak?

Lightning774d ago

Probably because the next xbox isn't ready to release yet?

The marketing and rumors seem to be heavy out of no where. The rumor was a 27 release but it maybe it could be 26 new console launch instead.

Who knows.

Eonjay4d ago

There PR is alrways super heavy handed. No one is acutally buying an Xbox as is.
Also it is very early to be talking so much about a next gen console.

Obscure_Observer3d ago

There´s a lot of people interested on Xbox Next and its ability to run games from major stores like Steam.

We know that the PS6 is just around the corner as well, but so far, no news on what it might improve over the PS5 or PS5 Pro.

However, Sony already made public that their priority and actual focus is the PS6. So its not "very early" to talk about next gen when the very console manufactures are talking about it.

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