Dance Central not possible on Move/Wii

With its ability to track the movement of 20 limbs, Kinect is well-suited to Dance Central and its hundreds of dance moves.

[ConanOBrien]

Problem is, kinect doesn't need buttons

Kinect = button-less motion controller

Wiimote & Move = button-based motion controller

Wiimote/Move/PSEye doesn't have 3 sensor cams like Kinect

[tinybigman]

I wouldn't want it on my wii/ps3. I don't even plan on buying this piece of crap for my 360.

Shovelware=not touching or entering any of my systems.

[darthv72]

how does that "just dance" game work? I see the commercials all the time. I know there is no cam for the wii (yet) so it has to be all controller detecting something.

To do it on the pseye would be a mocap suit maybe?

[tinybigman]

go ahead i don't mind, but i've never bought shovelware for any systems before i'm sure as hell i'm not going to start now.

plus why the hell would i spend $210 just to learn how to dance when i can do that for free. sh*t my cousin learned Beyonce Single Ladies dance just by watching the video, and she can do the dance without even looking at it.

i just have to laugh at the worshipers because you people seem to think i have to support this shovelware crap.

[Parapraxis]

I really don't buy this for a second.

This is the same line publishers have used when talking about "exclusives" that later went multiplat.

I think the "not possible" bit should really be "not possible..right now because we have a deal with MS for timed exclusivity"

"It needs to track your entire body...are you telling me your sony move remotes or wii remotes can do the same???"
Not the Wii, but since the PS2 Sony's Eye Toy could track feet/arms. is there something else being tracked in Dance Central I don't know about?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Dance Central could easily be made for PS Move.

[ajlopo]

how do you not buy it? It needs to track your entire body...are you telling me your sony move remotes or wii remotes can do the same??? The game looks fantastic and has been getting a great response. Harmonix makes great games.

[ARBitrator]

Parapraxis has spoken! To hell with what the devs have said. If Parapraxis says it can be done then that are lying as simple as that. Because Parapraxis is clearly the most intelligent individual on the planet and what he says is always right.

[Christopher]

Wait... so Kung Fu Live can track body parts... but Dance Central can't on the PS3Eye? I guess this means the PS3Eye can only track combat moves, not dance moves. Damn.

@gamingdroid: Dance Central doesn't need to track in 3d either... It just tracks arm, leg, and head placement on the x and y plane, not the depth of their placement. Now, if they made a dance game that relied on depth tracking, then we can talk about the differences between PS3Eye and Kinect for dance games.

[gamingdroid]

It tracks in 2D, there is no depth sensing!

Unless you think a square is a cube, then it might be the same for you.

[Bigpappy]

It shows a webcam video off you about 4 points in 2d. You will never see Dancentral for the Move and definately not for the Wii. If you look at all the Dance and fitness games. Kinect version is always different. Hamonics worked on the Eyetoy before and made its best game to date. They could have said that the will only be a Kinect version at this time. They said if there was no Kinect, they could not make the game.

You for some reason think the PSeye and Kinect are the same. There are not.

[Silver360]

From wired UK History of Kinect

http://www.wired.co.uk/wire...

[TheBlackSmoke]

lol, you guys are arguing over which motion control does casual crap the best lmfao.

[Christopher]

1. No one said Kinect = PS3Eye. We all know Kinect is a lower res, lower fps RGB camera with an infrared camera that enables the capturing of depth as well as bodies by temperature due to the second camera. We also know that it utilizes one on-hardware chip that contains code for detecting and transmitting skeletal data to the 360 for use by licensed software.

2. Both are capable of tracking body part locations in a 2D world. It just requires software to do as such. This is of course what the developers of Kung Fu Live did, they created the software for tracking one's body with the camera so it will recognize when you perform certain actions to punch, call lightning, kick, jump, and whatever other moves it's programmed to capture. It's the exact same thing Dance Central does, track the movements of your body and respond to said movements.

3. The complexity of tracking being done specifically with Dance Central is not utilizing the full tracking capabilities of Kinect (meaning, true 3d tracking). It's only utilizing the standard skeletal tracking algorithms, which can be made and used with the PS3Eye as well (and there have been demos of the skeleton being tracked with the PS3Eye, check YouTube).

For all intents and purposes, the _ONLY_ reason Dance Central isn't possible with the PS3Eye is because the skeletal tracking software is provided out of the box with Kinect whereas you would have to develop your own with the PS3Eye.

This is kind of like the idiotic comments that we hear out of Sony PR people saying X game is only possible due to Blu-ray. It's just not true, you downgrade the sound quality to 5.1 DD and you can fit the game in its entirety on a DVD, making it possible on more than just the PS3.

[Bigpappy]

Sent your note over to Harmonics. Apparently you have it all worked out and those Dumb SOB's can't. You show them Bigboy!

[Christopher]

Deride me all you want BigPappy, but the fact is that there's a developer out there who's taken the time to create the software that does the same thing for the PS3Eye. But, that's not what this is about. It's about a platform with Microsoft marketing backing and where the hardest task is already done for them, which is calculating and tracking skeletal points through the camera. And for Ubisoft, it's about trying to be #2 on yet another casual platform with the same type of games they've already made for the Wii. Ubisoft is the second biggest money maker on the Wii, they want the same thing on Kinect considering the target market - pure casual gamers - are their cornerstone this generation.

But, if you want some reality on top of your derision, how about this: Can you also send the code that ND, Sucker Punch, and Guerilla uses for their games to 3rd-party developers so they can learn to code for the PS3 as well?

Here's the funny thing, nothing I posted above is incorrect. Absolutely nothing. It's just the facts. But, hey, it must be true when Microsoft says it and not true when Sony says it? It's BS and it's meant to sell the new technology, that's it. It's like idiots who think games really are only possible because of Blu-ray or the Cell.

[Neko_Mega]

Need to do better at trolling.

SingStar+Dance.
Look it up.

It only does everything.

[Neko_Mega]

Someone disagree, guess they don't know their games.

Just Dance seems the same thing as this game, so I don't know how people come up with this trash that it wouldn't work on Move or Wii.

Plus they fail, mostly because the PS Eye does track the body, as for it being the fully body.

Who knows, but I know after seeing how SingStar+Dance work, it can be done on Move.

[Thatguy-310]

didnt harmonix said that dance central was possible on the ps3 a while back ??
http://kotaku.com/5569957/h...

[JUDALATION]

This game was made for kinect... BUT ITS ALSO COMING OUT FOR MOVE AND WII.... but MAG CANT BE PLAYED WITH KINECT!!! and id rather play mag or Kung fu live... thats just reality and most gamers would agree with these facts!

[jneul]

no the real problem is because kinect has no buttons it will be limited to sports, dancing, fitness and on rails games, just like eyetoy was

[Omega4]

This is good news for MS cause now they won't need to pay for exclusives since every game built from the ground up for Kinect can't be done on any other console.

[SuperStrokey1123]

Yeah, its not like they had to buy the company that made the technology or to continue to develop and market kinect at all. This expense to get exclusives obviously doesnt exist...

[siyrobbo]

just a shame most will probably not be worth playing

[CimmerianDrake]

I expect to see a lot of you who are praising Kinect to upload videos of you playing it, since it's the second coming to you and everything.

[cliffbo]

you know i just came in here to agree with the headline and then read your post Omega4. i wouldn't be so happy about this. should we compile a list of games the the Wii and the MOVE can do that Kinect can't?

dance games are great but they'll get boring when Kinect hits its 25th

[user8397144]

Well it is probably possible on the PS2 since kinect is like the eyetoy.

[Pedobear Rocks]

to do is package in some velcro 'dots' to put at your waist and knees...1$ extra and you've got body tracking.

[TheBlackSmoke]

woooooooooo! EXCLUSIVE shovelware!!

[MsmackyM]

Ubisoft just announced Mime Central exclusive for the Kinect, why travel to France when you can be trapped in an imaginary box in the comfort of your own home. Pre-order today and receive the limited edition face paint and stripped shirt:s

[Stryfeno2]

I will get this for me and my family.

[goosepoose]

my family and i. i wish you all the luck. dont give up on dancing :)

[Simco876]

Good, if I wanted to Dance I would go to the club.

[alb1899]

then i guess if you want to play baseball y go to the field and if you want so shot some heads you go to war....really?

[kasasensei]

"Dance Central not possible on Move/Wii"
Sure.

[ThatIrishGamer]

For god sake! I didn't buy my HD console for shooters, platformers, adventures, racers, role playing, sports games. . . I bought it to dance!!!

GRrrrrrrrr.

That's it - I'm selling my consoles :(

[TekoIie]

I wouldnt buy any of the others. All the rest are only just worthy of a rental (and even thats pushing it). I would have liked it if Microsoft had atleast added some form of motion controller so that you had a larger variety of games. They could have made halo compatible for it then...

[tatotiburon]

bububu but it's just an eyetoy lol

[user8397144]

It is :).

[Gamefan12]

uumm yea it can be done on the eyetoy ... check out the eyetoy game kinect combat .. same idea done for kinect dance game ... eyetoy can head/body track

not to the degree of kinect sure but the dance game isn't that exact

[HDgamer]

Kinect Combat is on the ps2 too lol

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[HeavenlySnipes]

Kinect can't run FPS, RPG games because of the lack of buttons. Its nice stating the obvious isn't it. Kinect can do somethings right, and somethings it can't. Its just that the things it can't do are th things that I enjoy playing. I have less than an hour logged onto DDR.

[muzzy]

Lies http://www.youtube.com/watc...
I know, different tech. But at the end you just do the same - move your body to match a certain pose.

[Parapraxis]

or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[gigaware]

Very smart of Microsoft and they are also able to compete in the Wii Motion stick market if they choose by developing a motion stick. In the future there could be games that use a Wiimote and full body motion at the same time.

[coldfoot]

Just Dance doesn't have full body tracking and it works well and sells millions on the wii.

[ThisPlaceSucksBye]

....because the game looks LAME.

[lelo2play]

Looks like a good game for the causals... and people that like to dance.

[Bell Boy]

Best news I have had all week, thank you

[gersh]

Darn it. I wanted it SO bad.

[Miraak82]

the only controllerless game I've ever enjoyed was antigrav for eyetoy , that game was awesome ,,, the camera and the game were $35 total .. http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Idk ,my roomy is getting kinect but if he gets this I'm so gonna mock him,,, I seriously just don't get it and the price tag just seems ridiculous for something soo casual ...

[ApocalypseShadow]

single camera tracking...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
move and dr marks
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
IGN
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
qore
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
sony would just have to do research into body tracking.microsoft is just playing up a small advantage.but they can't play up ACCURACY.

all it is is SOFTWARE.you can use tricks to do the same thing.

[solar]

it was only a matter of time....before the fanboys argue over lame motion control gimmicks.

/yawn. who cares. both Sony and MS were late to the Wii Party. lets argue over which can copy Nintendo better.

[Octo1]

That's weird

http://kotaku.com/5569957/h...

[NotSoSilentBob]

Who says dancing games can't be done on the PSMove?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[alb1899]

oh men you should be shame of your self with that video is that you will compare move and kinect?
Eye toy can not track in 3d your legs and you'll need always your ice cream balls controllers in your hands so it can be track so no is not good dancing in move.

[darksied]

Oh thank God.

[HDgamer]

360 fanboys with stealth disagrees and lies.

[btk]

Yeah right. Whatever. Devs said it could be done. Not that we want another fitness game.

[OGharryjoysticks]

Thought the Michael Jackson game was on PS3 too. Thought it was just about dancing.
See that, you learn something new everyday.

[blackburn5]

Wasn't it the same developer who said they they could make the game for the Move later on but not the Wii? I could be wrong but I thought I heard that and like DIRTYHAIRYJOYSTICK said isn't the Michael Jackson game a dance game too and isn't for the Move? What is with the DC can't be done on the Move back pedaling? How much did they pay you to say that? @ Octo1.Thanks.There is your proof right there haters.

[Alcohog]

Not that I give a rats ass about this game, but the developer said it could be done with the PS Eye at E3.

[AWBrawler]

I doubt Wii or PS3 owners care about this game, and just for the record, it could work. look at Just Dance and Michael Jackson: the experience