Warhawk reviewer attacked PS Home

Rob Smith, former OXM Editor-In-Chief: "Suck it up, Sony. Xbox 360 has you licked. As promising as Home is, by the time it matures, the 360's integrated approach and rapidly expanding media options could see it completely out of sight."

[23478ueyur_938223]

If this influenced the Warhawk review, that is just not acceptable. I'd hope that any editor would not hold their personal biases towards the review marks of games on other systems.

Also, the way he wrote this makes him seem quite unprofessional. He rips on Sony quite aggressively.

Edit: Post #14 -- couldn't agree more.

@below: Clearly I'm criticizing Rob Smith, no one should let their personal preference affect a review.

[kingofps3]

- deleted by Microsoft -

***Kingofps3 will by executed by morning for his act of bravery.
- Bill "Evil XBoss" Gates

[23478ueyur_938223]

What the hell are you talking about? I'm saying that this would be a poor reason to give Warhawk a bad review.

The editor himself seems totally biased though, I'm not arguing that.

[kingofps3]

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[23478ueyur_938223]

I'm saying I would hope that people in general would NOT allow their biases to influence reviews.

[larry007]

so ofcourse he fabricated the LAIR and WARHAWK reviews

ROB was injected into PSM by MS to give bad reviews to PS3 games

look at this

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Playstation 2. Do you own one and will consoles kill PCs or will the two mate and produce unholy offspring?

No. Never will. Got a DVD player, so why do a I need one. And no they won’t kill the PC because regardless of whether people like it or not, there’s a social mentality built around the PC beyond gaming (home accounts, creating crappy holiday cards on the old printer, surfing for porn, writing resumes…) that won’t be replaced by any of the new handhelds, and won’t be available through consoles. It’s a huge argument, and not one to go into here, but PCs are here to stay (for at least the next five years). But X-Box will kill the PS2 (tee-hee).

http://www.armchairempire.c...

How could they hire fanboy like him

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ROB was also EIC of OXM magazine

http://forum.teamxbox.com/s...

Link: gameindustry.biz
PSM: Independent PlayStation Magazine, Future US Inc.’s leading publication devoted to coverage of Sony’s console, has appointed Rob Smith as Editor In Chief. Prior to his position as Associate Publisher for both magazines, Smith contributed as Associate Publisher of Official Xbox Magazine (OXM) and before that, as Editor In Chief of the publication.

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ROB was injected into PSM by MS to do dirty tricks.

MS also paid paramount 150million for 1.5 year exclusive deal..
see the TIPS section for proof

[23478ueyur_938223]

Again, I'm saying that it's stupid if he let his bias influence the Warhawk review, and that he shouldn't have ripped on Home like he did. I'm not commenting on whether his bias led to the review score of Warhawk or not. Personally, I'm waiting for IGN's review.

[kingofps3]

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[23478ueyur_938223]

Read post #14. He sums what I'm saying up very well.

[Violater]

isn't even remotely funny.
From here on out games I am on the fence about wont get bought unless the Demo wow's me.
Reviews are no longer a factor.
Too much politricks

[kingofps3]

- deleted by Microsoft -

***Kingofps3 will by executed by morning for his act of bravery.
- Bill "Evil XBoss" Gates

[23478ueyur_938223]

I've changed the post so it's clearer.

To sum it up: no editor should let their personal bias affect a review. If they do, they are not good reviewers.

I'm not defending this guy at all, I'm criticizing him if he ripped Warhawk because of his bias.

@Anego: He misunderstood my post. I guess I'll have to be blatantly clear next time.

@Anego: double agree. bubbles for you. I hope this does not happen again.

@king: I think ripping any system like that in any mag is unacceptable. Well let's just forget about the argument now that we're clear.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

this argument is ridiculous.

enough.

@satanas

its all good, you guys are just wasting your bubbles on NONSENSE, i`d just rather you`d use them else where. Both of you always got interesting things to say.

edit: thanks. bubble for you as well.

oh, it`ll happen again. LOL.
it happens to the best of us.

@kingofps3.

i know. but you guys are burning up bubbles over the WAY he said it.
don`t bug SATANAS w/ that stuff. Go find First Knight or someone(ya know), who deserves to be disected. LOL.

thanks, bubble from me as well.

"deleted by MS" thats hilarious.

[The Brave 1]

there are so many conspiracies that i can think of as to some of the reviews of lair and warhawk.its all propaganda.dont think that because a mag says psm its affiliated with sony.these are independent companies.i saw lair get eights and 9s,warhawk even better.thats a big gap between 5,and 9 0r 6 and 9.how can you deduct points to a game because its made to be played online only?why not just deduct 2.5 points off of SOCOM:CONFRONTATION before its even out IDIOT.What im trying to say is times changing in the gaming world and in a multi-billion dollar industry anything is up for grabs including opinions.

[Machety]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

[the worst]

they would have found him with a suicide note
with a bullet hole in the back of his head
(somethings you just dont do)

[s8anicslayer]

The only thing this post is going to do is start another flamewar!

[23478ueyur_938223]

*sigh* Sadly you're right.

[macalatus]

Satanas, it isn't your fault if this becomes flamebait (seriously, are there any news, remotely or otherwise, that isn't a flamebait to fanboys?). News are still news. Though I understand your position that there is no direct proof that Rob Smith somehow influenced the Warhawk review, such implications are still glaring as hell. Heavens forbid if IGN becomes somehow influenced by PSM's review. If this was the jury selection, no way in hell Rob Smith is going to be picked!

[nomuken]

FACT. Waiting for reply(s) LOL.

[A Man]

Wa? Games? Ok then. LOL

Edit: BTW Bioshock just got 9.5/10 on gametrailers.

[s8anicslayer]

My point exactly!

[hac-hunter]

Dude, I like your avatar...who is that nomuken??

[DEADEND]

This really going to start a flame war.

[macalatus]

As I have just stated on an earlier post, any news is a potential flamebait to a dedicated fanboy, so this news doesn't make any difference.

[pilotpistolpete]

Why even write that sh*t up. Its just makes your mag look unprofessional

first rule of any publicity: Don't say stuff you can't backup, you may eat those words later.

[DARK WITNESS]

sorry.

[DARK WITNESS]

sorry double post.

[solidt12]

Rob Smith, you started another Flame War. Now go lick Bill Gates [email protected]

[Ri0tSquad]

Seriously what the hell are the xbots gonna say now its clear f***ing day this guy is doing to some dirty work for M$. I was one of the ppl saying ok maybe warhawk wasn't that good at all......but the beta was great. So now im positive this guy is working for M$ f***ing snake bastard. But if its false then I just choose not to believe in his review seeing that this game is just multi player he didn't review as that.

[Jdash24]

dude eff that guy..........hes a moron........someone seriously needs to beat the sh!t outta that guy seriously

hes just a flameboy in a position where his voice is heard........hes worthless

[ElementX]

Sony is ripping off the achievements... Home does seem pretty lame, but he shouldn't've said it like that.

[A Man]

Home is a LAME idea, even for sony.

[EZCheez]

I hate your comments more than the loyal 360 fans comments. You never seem to bring anything new to the argument and when you ask questions about something, it's usually information that everyone except you knows about.

I'm also tired of you guys that feel compelled to post your picture on your avatar. I doubt anyone on here wants to see your face anymore than they want to see Pimpdaddy's man boobs.

This has got to be the meanest comment I've ever made, but I just can't hold it back anymore!

[The Wood]

your avatar is becoming synonymous with negative self (ps3)loathing comments. Maybe you should just change that picture to an upset face instead of a happy face because you spread zero love for the ps3 unless your forced. Politicians have faces too...........

[SIX]

and wait until these games come out, and we have all played them.

[macalatus]

People who has yet to play Warhawk should also realize that many people who had played the Beta version said it was great and needless to say, one of the most addictive games ever...and that was just the test version. So that's a good sign that the game would at least meet everyones' expectation.

Hey, I'm still planning to get this game on Day 1, so PSM be damned!!

[d3l33t]

home will be fun, i just want to be able to launch games from it w/ my friends. In terms of this guy? he probably is going through a divorce guys, let him and his xbox be happy, all 8 of them.

[darkvenom]

can wipe his a$$ with what he thinks.that little xbot can stfu as far as i'm concerned.

[razer]

PS3 games get bad reviews because of MS and the Xbox 360.. I see know..

note to self: if anything is said bad about the PS3 it's either because MS paid them off, or someone affiliated with the 360 is influencing things.

Gotcha! This is as good as the Chewbakka defense.

[WaggleLOL]

Shut up idiot.

[InMyOpinion]

Nice comeback. You are truly one with the words, Waggle...

[The Wood]

fanboys can actually work in the media you know. Do you think the mart or bloodmask couldn't work their way into media. People have bias as its human nature. objectivity is something you are born with then lose as you get corrupted. There are ps3 fanboys that work for the media and there are 360 fanboys that work for the media. The evidence is right in front of you yet you choose to spin it as some type of sony paranoia on this occasion which it all may be but only a fool would not think this guy's allegiance is to ms. There are lows in the gaming industry like all others. This is one of the lows that has just been exposed for all to see.

[Boink]

regardless of what his opinion of either system his, the review should be about warhawk, and his personal view should be set aside as any good editor should have the ability to do.

I hope he is dismissed over this.

[23478ueyur_938223]

That's exactly what I tried to say in my first post.

[razer]

It's a forum post of a scan from the July issue of PSM. Is this even related to the Warhawk review?? I can't tell..

[InMyOpinion]

It's not related to the review, although I would'nt trust his score after saying the stuff he did. Would love to read it though. Does anyone have a link to his reviews?

[Bloodmask]

All you guys can rant and rave all you want. XBOX live has been on the market for over five years. To build up the infrastructure it has now took a long time.

Are you honestly going to claim that the PSN is superior after being on the market for only 9 months??

XBOX live is offering an overwhelming amount of content every week....demos, betas, games, and movies....not to mention XBLA is the first of it's kind. Live is one of the major selling points of the 360.

PSN may have it's day one day but to claim it is better than Live(at the moment)....is a flat out lie.
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And for all the people crying foul at the reviewers. These people are professionals. And are being paid to review games. To claim they are an XBOT only makes you look that much worse. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is the beauty of democracy.

[chrno]

It doesn't matter what he is saying is truth or lies, it's the way he's phrasing his words tick off a lot of people. What kind of professional response is "suck it up, Sony." ?? It is very unprofessional, and he should be fired for this.

[Ri0tSquad]

Lying or not no [insert w/e you call ps3 owners here] give a damn about this review until we get some more. With all this news like him working for OXM and dissing home has lost him his credibility to [insert w/e you call ps3 owners here]. Only time will tell if this review was biased or not by more reviews that have a similar score or don't. Someone is getting a smack to the face. haha

[larry007]

here is the link to the article and they also pushed Moore into EA to make multiplat games look inferior on PS3

http://dailysellout.com/mic...

[Boink]

what does this have to do with warhawk or the editor of PSM?

FYI: backroom deals like that go on in the corporate world all the time. how much do you think AT&T paid apple for iphone exclusivity?

[the greatest]

they should have just gave it 2 the homeless
since there throwing it away
(reply to 16.3)
your right and im not mad at them
but its not working in japan

[Ri0tSquad]

Money = Power
Better get use to these guys there snakes. I find it pretty funny actually Sony says "we earn our exclusives" well thats going to have to change if they want to see a ps4 because M$ plays dirty and you can tell me w/e lame excuse you want its the truth. I like the 360 use em and abuse em and send it to M$ for a new one hahaha.

[Zhuk]

so any criticism of the PS3 makes him an Xbot? grow up people perhaps he's making some valid points

[d3l33t]

valid point or not, you don't make a statement like this when you are an editor for a PLAYSTATION magazine, it's unprofessional.

[Zhuk]

I think it's highly professional to be able to critique the system you 'work' for as a journalist, it's unprofessional as a journalist to just tow the official Sony PR line and not think for yourself.

[d3l33t]

I hate to tell you man, but that is not a critique, that is a bash. And unless you work in WWE, bashing is looked down upon as childish and his future opinions shall be disregarded by people with any intelligence.

Nonetheless, he did get what he set out to do right? He said something negative, hoping it would disrupt the lives of many, and in ways he planned or not, it did. He proves no valid point. A simple 'you suck because i said so' is never something I take seriously, generally those people had a hard time passing grade school.

[InMyOpinion]

Zhuk. Good point. The bit about being able to critizise the platform you are writing about.

[fopums]

this guy sounds like a 14 year old, Im kinda relived I dont subscribe to PSM, what does that say for a magazine for hiring a dipsh!t like him?

[Jdash24]

ok everyone stop posting comments here.........lets just let this flamewar die...........DONT FEED THE FIRE!!!!

@below........wtf r u talking about..........r u drunk? seriously "pbox 420" "duo centrino"......wtf is that suppose to mean........if your going to make a comment make sure people can understand wtf ur saying

[d3l33t]

YOUR JUST PISSED THAT THE PBOX420 HAS DUO CENTRINO

[tplarkin7]

Home won't be a Live killer. Home is a free game by Sony. He was unprofessional, as are most gaming journalists (I wonder if some of them bathe). But, he has made a valid point.

[larry007]

this is what MS does?

they know they are dead in EU and JAPAN.

the only frontier that remains is NA.

European reviewers like Psextreme,doic,gameireland,PSW ---all have given good scores to PS3 games like lAIR,HS and WARHAWK.

so the only option for MS is to do these dirty tricks in US

HD DVD is also dead all over. 150m deal and TRANSFORMERS wont save it especially when PIRATES 1,2,3 ...SPIDERMAN 1,2,3 and all 007 movies are BD exclusive

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

your 1000% correct.

[stunt213]

u give a great game to review (warhawk) to an xbot and what do u get a bad review lol

[Genki]

I hope with this we can all realize that having labels like "professional" and "editor-in-chief" doesn't negate the fact that individuals are still human, and thus, possess bias. That's as far as I'll go with that.

Anyway, as the editor-in-chief of a Playstation magazine, it's this guys responsibility to be enthusiastic about what's on the horizon for the platform. His comparison is senseless, as it essentially says that anything Sony is planning with Home will be beaten by MS. Sorry, but I just don't see it that way, and here's why.

Home is different from what MS is offering. I won't say better or worse, just different. With that in mind, comparing the things Home may offer to Achievements and Gamerscore is very narrow-minded...this guy would do well to think outside the box. Home has so much potential for all sorts of different implementations, yet he's thinking only in terms or scores, stats, and numbers. That's just silly.

The two are different services for a reason, and from the outside looking in, it's VERY commendable on Sony's part that they're not trying to offer up a dead-ringer for XBox Live, as much as the service has been hailed. Besides that, common sense should tell us that it won't be seen "completely out of sight" as he says. When you look around the internet there are several different online gaming clients that thrive in their own way, none really over-shadowing the other. Battle.Net is my personal favorite, but there's more out there than that.

What I gather from his opinion though is that he would rather Sony make an absolute carbon copy of Live and play catch up...I personally don't like the thought of that at all. Simply put, home is something different, and it's important to be able to differentiate yourself from a competitor and not seem as if you're trying to ride their coat-tails.

Home is poised to provide a very unique experience to PSN users, and I really don't see why it can't co-exist with Live. There will be much more to Home than trophies and posters, and if it's well received by the community, then the sky will be the limit for the virtual content that can be added. Suggestions will be heard, and I'm sure that good ones will be implemented. The PS blog is just the first small step.

[Deity01]

His presence at PSM is baffling to say the least, but I don't think it matters as this guy obviously will do whatever to make PS3 look bad(along with several of my fellow more challenged 360 owners, which is completely f#ckin retarded by the way)

Fact is, this guy is going to say whatever he wants, but in the end his opinion will eventually mean nothing because of statements like this.

[jackfatal]

when there is a rating always put in mind that if u really plae the game then u can add 10% or subtract 10% of the reviews thats u saw!

[Real gamer 4 life]

no i belive he was paid off, that is how microsoft tries to beat the competition. wasnt they sued before for monopoly? microsoft is a greedy company that hates competition. this guy is bias, it clearly show that he is. i mean come on the evidence are there. they also paid universal picture 150 mil so that they would go hd dvd exclusive. microsoft is scared, so now they playing dirty. like all you x box fan boys have said before money talks, so what does microsoft does best? bribe people. Shove money down there throat.