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Editorial: Should Microsoft's Kinect Be Delayed? (Gameplaybook)

Gameplaybook explains why a delay of Microsoft's motion controller wouldn't be a bad thing...even though it wouldn't do it in a million years.

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Wizziokid5159d ago

yes until they fix it's issues

ingiomar5159d ago

if they can fix more issues by a delay then yes it should be delayed

R2D25159d ago

Yes.

I tried it out at MACY'S and it crashed.

-Alpha5159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

I'd think MS would be smart enough not to rush a product out after RRoD.

Thing is, MS isn't directly trying to compete with the Move. Despite promises of including the hardcore the product has thus far been advertised exclusively for the casual/light user. They can release whenever they want to, but it'd benefit if they took their time. I'm not sure that they are trying to compete with Sony, but rather, they seem to want to try pushing their brand past the audience they already have. Thus the Times Square broadcast, appearing on talk shows, etc. It's a product I can see Oprah giving out.

Assuming that the products demoed are the latest models then it seems that MS has some kinks to work out.

Lou-Cipher5159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

"I'd think MS would be smart enough not to rush a product out after RRoD."

I dont think Microsoft launched the 360 before it was ready because they were unaware that it was a broken console, they launched it before it was ready because they dont care about their consumers. They wanted to beat Sony, so they were willing to sacrifice the most important thing. Quality

If you have followed Microsoft since the 70's or 80's you will realize that they truly dont care if their product works right, they only care about the money it can pull in.

They wont delay Kinect, because they simply dont care if it works or not, they know that they can spend money advertising it, and still make money. Who needs it to work properly when they can still make money on it?

kneon5159d ago

I don't think they can afford to delay, if they delay they miss the holiday sales season and without Kinect the PS3 will overtake the XBox pretty quickly. That just wouldn't look good for them, especially as the XBox had a 12-18 month launch lead in most territories.

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iPlayGamez5159d ago

im not really interested in kinect at all but i think they should wait for cost to go down and make it how NATAL was last year kinect has obvious issues, not to say natal wasnt laggy but wasnt natal more advance than kinect? i dont see why people want the simplified version.

mrv3215159d ago

I would say it should be dropped but too much money has been wasted now. C'mon look how much time, money and resources Natal has used. You have Microsoft studios making games, R&D and countless millions while Microsoft could do with a first party or two.

D4RkNIKON5159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

It's true, they could use some more first party studios. They should at least delay Kinect to get all of the quirks worked out before it releases because it is just getting a lot of bad press with all of these fail videos on youtube.

Just goto youtube.com and search "Playstation Move Fail" and see what comes up, then try "Kinect Fail"

btk5159d ago

Would it help?
If they stay with the camera without wand / glove / controller it will most likely not matter if it is delayed.

Omega45159d ago

Why would they need to, the hardware is fine all they need to do is optimise the software and that can be done right up until launch and patched with an update.

You guys worry too much, if you think MS is willing to put out a product which is not ready after the whole RROD incident you are stupid. Just look at the quality of the 360S MS learnt and they know what they are doing.

mrv3215159d ago

Oh so it's all softwere then... lucky then. It's what like 4 months until Natal launches right, it's been in developement for 2 years now, maybe more. Microsoft licensed some stuff from Gyration way back in '08 and BTW, Gyration does gesture based stuff.... um you know like the stuff Natal does. If you don't believe me check here

' http://www.1up.com/news/rum... while the rumour varies some of the details match up like Rare's heavy involvement. A $199 arcade system... kinda Deja Vu like.

'You guys worry too much, if you think MS is willing to put out a product which is not ready after the whole RROD incident you are stupid. '

Vista was broken at launch, and Zune suffered some pretty big problems.

So will you buy Natal then on Launch Omega4, since your so confident it will have no problems... and they'll fix the LAG.

Bigpappy5159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

There are some minor qurks with Natal software, but there are some who want to make a mountain out of a mole hill. You can go to youtube and search Kinect Demo, not Kinect fail. You will find that most of the demo's and hands-on's worked very well.
Yes, I believe Omega has stated many times that he will be buying kinect. I have already ordered 2 and would be highly upset if M$ delays due to minor qurks. We are not alone by the way. If you go to any major retailer, who offer Kinect and Move for pre-order, you would notic that Kinect is by far ahead of the Move in pre-orders. The Move is perfect and ready for primtime, yet the faulty Kinect which needs to be delayed, which will be released 2 months later and is way overpriced, is kicking some serious Move butt. This is the reason for all the histeria. They are many that are hoping and praying for the day M$ falls from grace. It is not just here on N4G, the hate has been there for many years. You may get that wish one day. But, it wouldn't be because Kinect fails. That I can assure you.

I still use Vista. I am using it right now. It runs smooth and quickly with my dual core AMD processor, with 3Gig of RAM.

acky15159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

Why have you ordered not one, but two broken devices? Seems like you have more money than sense. I don't understand why you'd do that? If you're buying it for someone else let them buy it. Why not get one then see if it was worth the money then if you want, buy another. Sheesh. One for the xbox in the living room and one for the xbox in the bathroom? Seriously, i just don't understand?

I hate idiotic consumerism...it just breeds products of lower quality.

Bigpappy5159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

You obviously have no children. I am fortunate enough to be able to afford to buy what the heck I want. You are acting like I am spending MY money on YOUR mother. I do not come to N4G looking for advice on how to spend my money or get your advice on what you or anyone else here think I should like. I am a grown man who walks and talks and does WTF I please. Now, as you were.

Dude I think the IPAD is a piece of useless junk. I think Iphone and the orinal PS3 were way over priced. The PS3 had software issue that made most of its early game run like clunkers and 30FPS. Yet you can not like in my history and see any comments from me calling people names and trying to black list those products. I know what I like but I am not stupid enough to think that everyone else has to have my point of view. I am even Man enough to say, if I had a PS3 I would buy the Move and give it a wirl with Socom or Kill Zone. I still don't think it has anything right now that would make casuals concider it over Kinect or the Wii.

acky15159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

Am I worth less than you because I dont have kids and don't have a full time job? Still seems I have more appreciation of money than you. Im sure you weren't born on this earth with wife and kids and a full time wage packet. You obviously worked hard for it so have the right to spend it on anything you want.

My comment seemed reasonable considering you wont fully know what the product is like until you've had it for a couple of months. Surely you can see the benefit of waiting 'till you buy another?

Patrick5159d ago

lol.. its not the software thats the problem.. Its kinect... it just doesnt work yet, not like its supposed to. And I believe if people actually see how it works, they will not buy it. The problem here is that as MS has already proven, they will have ads that make it look like it works PERFECTLY.. When it doesnt.. and I hope people turn around and take it back the store when they see it doesnt. Its time we teach MS that we dont buy junk. Unfortunately some people will buy anything their fav company makes, no matter how shabby. As for me and mine, We buy the best.... and its called the MOVE.

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Hallmark Moment5159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

True.

I think this question comes from angry and paranoid PS3 campers. Nice homemade site/blog

Desperate...

It should be delayed because that comforts PS3 fanboys knowing Microsoft won't blow Sony out in sales and popular opinion before they can condition the tone and opinions of these products in the masses minds. PS3 fanboys trying to pin performance of the hardware and system software based on the launch game code of launch titles lol. Like claiming PS3 performance before launch based on its launch tile game code lol.

Biggest5159d ago

Ps3 has buttons and movement controls. It's not so hard to imagine that games can be made to do what games do. It is very hard to imagine moving around in a 3D plane while performing intricate actions, which is a lot of what gaming is today, while using the Kinect. I am so very angry that the Kinect is what what we thought it was. I would have been happy if it was actually good.

punisher995159d ago

@Omega4: Yeah they eliminated the RROD and replaced it with the "RDOD" Red Dot Of Death. :) But anyway. I think they should delay it until they can come up with some Core games that uses Kinect and only Kinect. I dont see the point in using both Kinect and a controller. You might as well just use the controller.

IdleLeeSiuLung5159d ago

I don't see any reason why they should delay it. When I tried it, it worked really well. You just build an experience that is suitable to the hardware, not the other way around. Unfortunately, that is a luxury that doesn't exist in the real world.

If it is a success, more money will come in to continue research it until it gets better.

By the way, I had no issue with Vista like the myriad of complainers do. Vista's problem wasn't the OS, but the press!

Now I would like to hear what problems everyone is talking about with Kinect? The few corner cases and glitches it has every now and then? Mind you it is motion capture with no additional equipoment and no green screen for $150!

Agent-865159d ago

Sorry, but Vista was a joke and a complete processes hog. There are 50+ processes going on before you even get to installing programs. Oh, and installing and using programs was such a joy with all those annoying permissions that have to be given.

jneul5159d ago

IF YOU USED XP BEFORE IT, YOU WOULD HAVE GONE BACK TO XP BECAUSE VISTA WAS REALLY BAD, OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SOFTWARE...

moparful995159d ago

Honestly, you think that microsoft can make a true motion capture device that utilizes nothing in the way of sensors on the body or reflective lights for $150 and have it displayed in real time in the game? Come on use some common sense. I'm not doubting that kinect can do motion cap but most of the "magic" microsoft wants you to buy into is gesture based gaming. Look at that hurddles game, if you watch closely you will notice that the character doesnt match the player. Its all pre-canned animations that are triggered by certain gestures by the player. Kinect in its current state is nothing but a hands free variation of the games we've all seen on the wii so far.. Thats it.

Biggest5159d ago

Vista's problem was the press? Oh sweet Jesus! You really ARE in love with Microsoft.

Patrick5159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

Huge Lag issues
Extremely casual game issues with very little interaction
NO precision whatsoever
High price for what it does
MULTIPLE issues with its ability to track which causes glitches.
Every game so far which requires forward or reverse movement.. is on rails (which isnt 3D)
No rumble feedback.
Nothing to actually hold in your hands which is in fact (despite what yall say) natural. (most every weapon or item in real life, has a handle)
Issues with MS trying to falsify how it works or in this case.. DOESNT.
Only works with 2 people.

Geez I could go on and on.. but I have to eat.

I wish it worked... but as is.. it doesnt and I have issues with that.

IdleLeeSiuLung5158d ago

@agent-86
The permission issue, which is designed to prevent people from spawning new processes without your knowledge is actually a pretty useful feature. The number of permission questions is few and far between and in fact is very quick to just click by.

@jneul
If you upgraded to XP back in 2001, it ran dog slow as well. Hardware had to catch up to the software, but people got used to XP for so many years the gap just seems bigger now. It really wasn't!

@moparful99

It is definitely not a high end mocap device. I mean do you expect one for $150? It certainly is able to capture your motion and do it well. Lag is noticeable, but not as bad as some would like to have everyone believe.

@biggest

I'm still currently on Vista even though Windows 7 is availble.

Can anyone actually cite what the problems are with Vista? Other than it runs slow (get a faster machine) and those annoying permission pop ups (not recommended, but you can disable those)?

Almost everything in Vista is an improvement over XP....

@patrick

"Huge Lag issues" -> Yes it is there, but not huge.

"Extremely casual game issues with very little interaction" -> nothing wrong with casual games, but I would hardly say it is "little" interaction. If anything it has huge amount of human interaction i.e. your whole body. Wii is little interaction with a waggle.

"NO precision whatsoever" -> yes, for some experiences it would not be suitable. For others, nobody can replicate what Kinect can!

"High price for what it does " -> I wish it was cheaper too, but nobody has given us a $150 mo-cap device that can track 2 people.

"MULTIPLE issues with its ability to track which causes glitches." -> High end mocap devices that cost 100k has issues as well, even when you use a green screens. In fact, often times they go in an manually change stuff afterwards. This isn't possible with Kinect for obvious reason, but tells you how advance this stuff is.

"Every game so far which requires forward or reverse movement.. is on rails (which isnt 3D) No rumble feedback. " -> see above, but yes it is not suitable for all types of games.

That is like complaining about how the original NES controller doesn't have 2 analog sticks to help you move around in 3D when it was conceived. Give it time and people will figure out what to do with this device.

"No rumble feedback.
Nothing to actually hold in your hands which is in fact (despite what yall say) natural. (most every weapon or item in real life, has a handle) " -> No, it is controller FREE gaming. That is not an issue, but the advantage. However, if you must I'm sure somebody will release a vest you can wear that rumbles or give you vibrations when you get shot!

"Issues with MS trying to falsify how it works or in this case.. DOESNT." -> You can try it yourself all over the US. Nobody is hiding anything. I can't say the same about the competition except for the Wii.

"Only works with 2 people." -> That is better than one, and most games don't have four people on screen at the same time. That said, it is capable of tracking up to six people at once with 2 active players.

The only real issue is lag, which hopefully is being reduced, but even then it doesn't detract from casual friendly games being fun. For hardcore games, there are tracking modes that doesn't use as much processing power.

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btk5158d ago

Omega Omega Omega...
Try and work for a massive corporation. You will realize that the momentum inside a corporate and all the politics make them do crazy things. Like forcing a product out when it is not ready - because the pressure is on and the thing must hit the market - and going to the big man's office and telling him that you are not ready to meet your arch enemy armed with nothing more than a malfunctioning water pistol just does not impress them. They will throw money at it - and if the corporation believes they are invincible - then so much more the pressure. Logic tells any one in tech that Kinect is ill-advised. Corporate pressure means that a year after this fiasco people will look back and wonder just how the hell did MS think they could fool everyone with this joke. Because this one is going to tank big time.

The hardware is cool - but not suitable for the market they want to take on. And it a wee bit - well OK - it is damn well so far overpriced that it is going to be a hard sell to begin with. Oh a million or so people will be fooled into buying it - but the backlash from this is going to take MS out of this gen.

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Report: Microsoft Cutting 650 More Jobs From Gaming Division Per Phil Spencer's Letter to Employees

Phil Spencer has sent a letter out to employees informing them that 650 jobs would be cut from Microsoft's gaming division.

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VenomUK8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

‘Good guy Phil’?

The truth likely is that the decision was not his to make and is possibly a direct consequence of cutting costs following the ABK deal.

DodoDojo8d ago

Would be nice if he'd mail one of those letters to himself.

RhinoGamer888d ago

Cut costs -> no bonus, stock options, raises for Phil and his leadership team.

Lightning778d ago

"Good guy Phil" is comical. You have to bleed green to see that. I'm only a matter of time until MS, that's right MS even in ages themselves from the industry.

Sad, people and even sadder and pathetic company.

fr0sty8d ago

If they keep this up, they won't even be able to go third party anymore after they stop making Xbox hardware.

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bionicstar8d ago

game devs aren't being let go.

“As part of aligning our post-acquisition team structure and managing our business, we have made the decision to eliminate approximately 650 roles across Microsoft Gaming—mostly corporate and supporting functions—to organize our business for long term success.”

darthv728d ago

getting rid of some suits... now this news isnt so bad. Too many suits makes all the wrong decisions, esp the top dogs.

Michiel19898d ago

@darth they arent suits, they are people that work in administration, customer support and that kinda stuff

ZacultronTheFirst7d ago

Probably people from much needed Marketing department.

Nacho_Z7d ago

It doesn't make it any better if they aren't devs being fired.

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Petebloodyonion8d ago

The original story is from IGN as they are the ones who got the memo.
https://www.ign.com/article...

Still sucks!

badboyz098d ago

The day we hear that Xbox is no more is vastly approaching.

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Obscure_Observer8d ago

"The day we hear that Xbox is no more is vastly approaching."

Not sure Sony is doing any better with all that money lost on GaaS and all that worldwide backlash regarding the Pro.

1Victor8d ago

@obscured: “ Not sure Sony is doing any better with all that money lost on GaaS and all that worldwide backlash regarding the Pro.”
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Welcome back we missed you said no one 🤣

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I don’t remember Sony cutting over 1900 employees then Less than 7 months later get a leak for another 600 to be on the chopping board but hey let’s equate that to a few people not been happy about a mid gen system refresh price 🤦🏿.

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1Victor8d ago

@obscured: “
They also casually forget that Sony have been laying off thousands of people too”
Yeeesh I got a better help discount code for you

BehindTheRows8d ago

Uh, thr Pro "backlash" is hardly something that's going to tank their business. Unless you've been living under a rock, there's no question that Xbox is in the gutter.

Quit pivoting to Sony because you don't like the subject matter. Their game division isn't in the toilet.

DodoDojo7d ago

Well Sony isn't selling more copies of their games on a rival system yet so they must be doing alright.

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Mr_cheese7d ago

@obscure

Saves some straws for the rest of us will you

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343_Guilty_Spark7d ago

Vastly approaching is a weird phrase… vastly is typically used to convey the degree of some size or length or time.

Vastly approaching makes no sense.

You mean rapidly approaching.

MrDead8d ago

A combined $80 billion spent on consolidating a massive part of the industry, thousands fired all to line the pockets of the already wealthy and turn the gaming industry into a rental service.

FU MS.

crazyCoconuts8d ago

MS is a publicly traded company. If you have a 401K you yourself might own MS stocks.
I'm definitely not a MS fan, but CEOs need to keep returns high to keep their jobs if nothing else. They don't get to transfer the salaries to their accounts.
I blame MS for failed strategies, poor execution, lack of vision, etc.
These layoffs are just the result of those things.

MrDead7d ago

That's the weakest excuse for a giant monopoly I've ever seen... also companies like MS are more likely to damage people's 401k through monopolistic practices.

Obscure_Observer8d ago

"FU MS."

I love how you act all enraged and bully when it´s MS firing people.

"It´s all about the workers" at least they´re Sony´s employees, right? If they´re Sony they can go f* themselves right? It´s all justified and the blame lies elsewhere on some widespread industry problem, right? Right?

We been seeing some of Sony recent bs moves and you know what´s coming, right?

I´m expecting you to disappear the same way you do every time Sony layoff hundreds of people or get a whole studio shut down.

You´ll do anything to avoid and hold them accountable. But that's OK. You´are not biased, right?

1Victor7d ago

@obscured: “ "It´s all about the workers" at least they´re Sony´s employees, right? If they´re Sony they can go f* themselves right? It´s all justified and the blame lies elsewhere on some widespread industry problem, right? Right?”

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Well Sony didn’t overreached and spend over 80 BILLION$ to acquire mayor 3rd party game developers and one MAYOR publisher the owner of the BIGGEST FPS just hoping to keeping it exclusive to their system and now having to fire thousands of employees to valance their books one more quarter.
Now Microsoft is beginning and going to kiss Sony dark ring and publish their “first party games “ on PlayStation. Regardless of who it is it’s wrong to do an acquisition and then fire people.
I applaud Microsoft for at least giving them a severance package and assistance getting a new job 👍👍.

MrDead7d ago

Chill out kid... also why bring up Sony, have they just spent 80 billion to consolidate a massive part of the industry to the detriment of thousands of workers?

MS lines their pockets whilst firing thousands, such a shame you support this.

Chevalier7d ago

Gee someone here said Xbox would NEVER release 1st party games on Playstation or competing platforms again?! Never tired to see you eat crow again.

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OlderGamer177d ago

But but Sony bad...thats the normal damagecontroll from O_O. Dude its time to sing another song, this one is sounding like a broken record......

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LG_Fox_Brazil8d ago

Not sure about the rest of the world, but here in Brazil we have a say that goes like this:

'May the last one to leave please turn off the lights'

What the heck is MS even doing right now?

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Something Feels Off About Indiana Jones and the Great Circle

Shaz from GL: “Amidst recent concerns surrounding Xbox, Phil and Co. need a win. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if Indiana Jones and the Great Circle will be it.”

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TwoPicklesGood13d ago

Looks good to me and I’m glad it’s coming to ps5

VenomUK11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

When it comes to video game previews I’m of the opinion that journalists should maintain a position of CAUTIOUS OPTIMISM. Yes, note and share concerns about the game with readers but maintain a restrained optimistic stance until actually having reviewed it so that any negativity is based on the game’s quality and not the author’s prejudices.

Here the author writes “ I’m going to continue to keep my cynicisms intact, less so because of my trust in MachineGames and more so due to the dumpster fire that continues to be modern-day Xbox.” This example illustrates the need to follow this guidance.

DefenderOfDoom212d ago

Not worried about facial animations , but I do hope the gameplay is fun . Most definitely I will purchase this on PS5, if the gameplay is fun .

BaughJaughs12d ago

nice hit piece. I notice the writer didn't mention any of the journalists / creators who had good things to say. From what i hear, it has riddick: escape from butcher bay in its DNA. To me that sounds like something to be Optimistic about rather than pessimistic.

ChasterMies12d ago

It’s odd to have a first person perspective for an adventure game with stealth and brawling. But’s not without precedent. Wolfenstein: New Order and Wolfenstein: New Colossus had a lot of adventure game elements. They were in the league of the greatest games ever, but they were both fun games. Indy looks fun too.

YourMommySpoils12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Yes, Indy looks like Todd Howard. Something feels way too off.

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Report: Microsoft Apologizes to Jyamma Games for Lack of Communication on Enotria: The Last Song

Microsoft apologizes to Jyamma Games for communication issues causing an Xbox delay of Enotria: The Last Song.

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Lightning7716d ago

Yadda, yadda, yadda they always apologize and never learn their lesson. Expect more stories of MS miscommunication.

Same song different dance it's always the same with this company.

jwillj2k415d ago

Waiting for “ we don’t comment on competitors not allowing us to respond to developers.”

TheColbertinator15d ago

The developers of Enotria should beg forgiveness from Microsoft instead. On their knees.

CobraKai15d ago

No they can’t. This is the last you will hear from him

tay870115d ago

Why it's not like any bots will buy the game when it finally does release on xbox. Not even sure why they would still even bother to release it on xbox.

XiNatsuDragnel15d ago

It's Microsoft fault not there's homie

Profchaos15d ago

Only because it was in the news what about all the other Devs they ignore daily words are cheaper I guess

franwex15d ago

I’ve never even heard of this game before this debacle. Not that I side with Microsoft’s horrendous handling of every situation, but the drama sort of gave this game publicity.

XBManiac15d ago

Firing internal support and delegating to external agencies and personnel takes time... well... takes time or ruins the company. What will happen here?

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