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E3 2010: Kinect Game Video vs Real Video

Here is a side by side comparison on how players look playing the skiing game on Kinect vs how they look in game. You can see the game detecting his changing in posture and footing.

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DontShoot-Me-Bro5463d ago (Edited 5463d ago )

I wonder how much they paid that journalist to pretend his actually doing that...j/k

Hallmark Moment5463d ago

I can't even grasp what you just said. I don't think media being paid off jokes are funny regardless of intent(conspiracy theory stance or pun at the expense of the haters)

AAACE55463d ago

So many said that Kinect is nothing but the PS eye! Yet, for some reason they still don't believe that a camera can capture a persons actions when it has already been done... Can someone explain this to me?

Blaze9295463d ago

I'd have to agree on that. Did look pretty cool. But not skiing - I can imagine a snowboarding game for Kinect which 'might' be pretty cool.

colonel1795463d ago

There is A LOT of lag! . Who knows if it's because of the video, or because there is lag in the game, but when he swings his arms back, the character in-game have them up front. Is like, guy:front->character: back, guy: back-> character: front

Bilzac5463d ago

That is what I noticed. There is quite a bit of lag.

Donny5463d ago (Edited 5463d ago )

i remember seeing alot of lag at e32010, anyone still got those videos? you will earn a bubble+.

Blaze9295463d ago

the real question is does it even matter? If it doesn't effect the ability to play the game properly and with enjoyment then who cares. I think we understand by now that Kinect will not be used for hardcore games that require precision.

If it still 'works' then lag doesn't matter and remember, this is for the casual market. They don't care about that kind of stuff. If they can still slap red balls around then it works to them.

Omegasyde5463d ago

Uh, lag does matter.

Wow. Talk about denial. I pray you were being sarcastic Blaze.
"If it doesn't effect the ability to play the game properly and with enjoyment then who cares."

YES BECAUSE LAG IS THE FUNNEST AWESOMEST THING EVER, NO LAG NO FUN. AMIRIGHT? OR AMIRGHT? JUMP... (2 second delay)..... IN!

CrippleH5463d ago

Weak excuse. Lag does matter in any game, which is why 60 frames per second is so important in terms of smooth gameplay and response. I wouldn't even count Casual games out of it because in a casual game that involves the body it's even more vital. I do not want to wave my arm and see/know it will react to it 1/4-1/2 second later. That would kill the whole experience.

It's the same reason why I quit playing Wii sports when I found out how swinging differently did absolutely nothing.

AridSpider5463d ago

it's funny how it's always the same idiotic fanboys who have a problem with Kinect lag vs those who have actually played it. Blaze is right. Everyone who has played and tried Kinect all say lag is there but it DOES NOT EFFECT THE GAME AT ALL. Remember these are CASUAL games. If it still works then who cares!? Take the Endadget Show Episode 10 for example where it literally asked about the lag and everyone said they didn't even FEEL it and they were still able to play the game well.

http://video.aol.com/aolvid...

@51:35 "There is a lag but when you're playing there wasn't something where I felt like 'why isn't my arm getting me into the air!?' You don't FEEL it."

So yes, Blaze is right. If it doesn't ruin the game where you are literally doing actions 30 seconds after you do it, then why complain if it works and the game still plays well? Not like we're playing Call of Duty with Kinect now. These are CASUAL games.

idiots. Bubble up for you Blaze. One of only few with damn sense on this site anymore. Forget the disagrees - just haters and people who all have NOT even had a chance to BREATHE on Kinect yet, yet alone play it.

commodore645463d ago

not sure i understand this lag issue...

KZ2 has proven 150ms input lag (not including display lag!) yet ps3 fans love this game.

How come lag doesn't matter when it's KZ2, yet it does when it's kinect?
You guys crack me up.

moparful995463d ago

Dude honestly if you can sit there and say that lag is acceptable then you just need to sell off your games and consoles and find a new hobby.. You and I both know just how frustrating lag can be.. You can quote whoever you want but people "talk" way to much. I see a video of a technology that was promised to be ultra precise but instead we get a dumptruck load of ultra casual and wii knock offs that are far from precise.. I'm not paying 149 for this crap.

kalebgray925463d ago

that lag had purpose as to give the illusion of weight... and can be adjusted... kinect just has lag period... which sucks yeah ... but to be honest no hardcore gamers will be using it... ima play my preordered halo reach with a controller.... let the kids use kinect....

CrawFail5463d ago

@commodor64

I'd love to see where your proof of 150ms of input lag is. I don't see any lag with Killzone 2, especially not 150ms of it.

Oner5463d ago (Edited 5463d ago )

Actually Commodore is partly* correct but with an asterisk to be explained...Killzone 2 definitely had input lag. But that has since been addressed. The "feeling" of weight was NOT lag, they were 2 separate things that people confused. The best way to prove this is how after they fixed the MINOR input delay issue the game STILL had weight to it's "feel" ~ thus 2 separate things. Either way this is just Commodore's usual trolling & trying to pass off misinformation as something factual.

bviperz5463d ago

Damn, this is the kind of acceptance of second rate development that isn't acceptable. No gamer should accept second best because than second best would become normal.

scoobysnacks5462d ago

Commodore64, why perpetuate the same lie/false information, when you’ve been shown in a previous article/s to be lying?

http://n4g.com/news/549640/...

My guess is that you’ve said the same untruthful statement here because the previous article where your deception (just 15 days ago) took place, very few people read, as the article failed to get approval. Well that and the fact your a rabid 360 fanboy who never has a good word to say about Sony/PS3. Oh would you look at that, that last sentence of mine just answered my question in the first.

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Kill Crow5463d ago

They used the Killzone realism effect, you know when you're holding skii poles it'd make your movements slightly sluggish and therefore the movemt needs to be deliberatly slowed down .. it's realism .. its a reality simulator ..

you guys are waaay behind ... Killzone 2 is old news and so is reality

Fireseed5463d ago

Unfortunately unlike the other super human androids here i cannot look at two images at once and discern whether their is lag or not:(

Handsome_Devil5463d ago

Dude if you consider this super human, you better not game or talk with me.

the norm. for me while gaming would be the following:-

1- skype with one headset in my right ear.
2- laptop on my right side so I can type and surf the net if needed. (once I had two laptops)
3- phone headset on my left ear in case some on call.
4- thanks to the official PS headset, I have it set to be like a stand mic. therefore; i can talk to the peeps in the game.
5- most importantly my controller in my hands ;).

sometimes i engage in conversations, if i have anyone with me in the room while I do all of these. No joke in here i do all of it at once :S

Now let the disagrees rain on me :P

T9X695463d ago

So basically your a woman, who can have 15 conversations going at once and know every little detail in every single on of them?

Omegasyde5463d ago

I pray Handsome Devil doesn't have a driving license.

Handsome_Devil5463d ago

@T9X69, nope I'm a full grown 24 years old man. just with the ability to multitasking (the exception of the rule ;))

@Omegasyde actually instead of the driving, go with the patients I'm going to have (studying medicine at the moment:P)

and for the 4 disagrees I got, would you care to elaborate?!

DethWish5463d ago

Im a super human android, and im lonely :'(

moparful995463d ago

Dude its called peripheral vision.. I could easily track the motion of his arms while I watched the in game footage.. Not that hard especially if you play games online at all.. If you do then I bet you get owned quite a bit...

Fireseed5462d ago

Them theirs fightin words. All I'm sayin is that I can't make a fair assessment of it, but if you'd like to prove that it's just that I have bad vision then lets play. PM me for a challenge!

Fireseed5462d ago

Okay here is a sure fired way to show the timing pause the video when his arms are as far back as they can go. From what I'm seeing the character on screen is in the exact same position.

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Joy Ride Turbo - The Beginning of the End for Xbox Kinect

Joy Ride Turbo launched 10 years ago today. The first title was Xbox Kinect exclusive, yet this sequel failed to support the device at all.

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10 of the Biggest Video Game Hardware Failures Ever

Cultured Vultures: "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal, and no matter how much developers might try, some gaming hardware just fails to hit the mark. We’ve compiled a list of 10 gaming hardware fails, and boy did some fail hard."

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Knightofelemia1245d ago

I would label the Power Glove, Kinect, and that Tony Hawk skateboard more as hardware addons hardware failure would be like the Virtual Boy and one day Stadia.

Magog1245d ago

Kinect was bundled with every Xbox One and inflated the price on an already underpowered and low RAM machine so for the One it wasn't an accessory as much as a white elephant.

CaptainHenry9161245d ago (Edited 1245d ago )

Definitely the RROD but that power glove had a lot of issues as well. The Kinect just didn't work

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CrimsonWing691245d ago

Hardware add-ons are more like RAM or a video card, basically components that enhance capabilities or performance of the computer.

If you really want to get technical the Kinect is more of a peripheral device, kind of like a keyboard or mouse to a computer.

ThatsGaming1245d ago

The person in this article obviously is not up on their gaming history....

Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Coleco Gemini, Commodore 128, Commodore Amiga, Atari 5200, Atari 7800 were all massive failures and in most cases cost their companies participating in future gaming generations.

Gamer791245d ago

Sega saturn (successful in Japan) and dreamcast were not failures.
Seems like you're not up on you're gaming history

septemberindecember1244d ago

@Gamer79

How in the world are the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast not seen as failures? They both sold around 8M each, which is much lower than the ~30M that the Genesis had sold before it, and even the Master System before that. They were both the worst selling consoles in their respective generation (PS1, N64 outsold Saturn, PS2, GC, and Xbox outsold Dreamcast). Both of the consoles were incredibly short lived. The Saturn was discontinued in every territory but Japan after just three years. In Japan the console was discontinued after six years. Meanwhile the Dreamcast was discontinued worldwide in 2001 after launching in most territories in 1999 and in Japan in 1998. The failure of the Saturn and Dreamcast lead to Sega pulling out of the hardware market. Which, by the way, all of this occurred when Sega was massively dropping the price of their consoles quickly to compete. Sega was hemorrhaging money at this point.

None of this indicates a successful console. Saying the Saturn was a success because it did better in Japan is like saying the Vita is a success (they both sold around the same amount of units in Japan). Even the Wii U outsold these consoles worldwide.

Magog1245d ago

The picture should be the 360 RROD. When I think of gaming hardware failures that's what springs to mind. Kinect and it's bundled price tag definitely hobbled the already underpowered Xbox One though for sure so I would give it a close second place.

porkChop1245d ago (Edited 1245d ago )

That's not what the author means by failures. It's about hardware that failed in terms of sales (Wii U) or just failed to deliver on its promise (Kinect).

Magog1245d ago (Edited 1245d ago )

Given that the 360 had a year head start, much easier hardware to develop for, was cheaper, and still ended up in third place I think it qualifies especially when you factor in the frustration and huge losses incurred by RROD.

porkChop1245d ago

Selling over 80 million consoles isn't a sales flop. We get it, you don't like Xbox, but that doesn't mean the 360 is suddenly a failure.

Rhythmattic1244d ago

Porky....
You know how many people I know bought a 2nd or third 360 due to RROD? Even when MS had to confront the issue with replacement systems, my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in, and waiting for a replacement.,,..,..
If that's how you consider it a win... OK.. but so is having 5 , of which 3 don't function.... Its a win win....mwhahahahaha

porkChop1244d ago

"my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in"

You're acting like it would take months. When I sent my 360 in I got a new one literally 5 days later. As soon as MS had tracking confirmation that you sent yours, they'd send a new one to you the same day. No one is going to spend hundreds to buy a new console instead of waiting a week. I swear you guys pull some of the dumbest shit out of nowhere and think people will actually believe it.

Regardless, none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about.

Rhythmattic1243d ago (Edited 1243d ago )

Porky
"You're acting like it would take months"
Sometimes it could.. FFS.. 'Strya here...
Best turnaround I reckon was 2-3 weeks.....
Either way, My mates experiences still exist.. So Sorry, no point trying to earn Xbox Achievements when it doesn't feature in what was a situation you never dealt with,,,,
3 of my friends would disagree (overall, 10 extra Xboxes purchased)
Regardless.. MS sold a lot of 360's that was due to this reason.. That is sales. Fact

"none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about."
Headline says HELLO !
Oh and "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal," that's enough to pass this on without taking your article bias into consideration.....
As for the rest.... Ok.. But you've actually gone out of your way to give MS a Pass... Fap on.

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Aloymetal1245d ago (Edited 1245d ago )

Yup, and because of that big fiasco MS had to fork out 1 billion but knowing them I think they're very proud of the 360, it's the only time a MS console reached 80mil+ sales, RROD played a big part of that and a record they will never break again.

Rhythmattic1244d ago (Edited 1244d ago )

So true.. Even when MS accepted they where caught out in the biggest lie of any generation, The wait for a replacement was outweighed by just buying another, and having one be returned as a backup, which, btw, generally failed on first swap.
I own honestly can't believe MS tards are just supporting , or arguing why and what MS did by just dismissing it....

lonewolf101245d ago

Lol I had the Atari Jaguar, surprised its "competition" the 3DO isn't on the list too, both as "popular" as each other.

SullysCigar1245d ago

Lol same. Played the crap out of Aliens Vs Predator and Tempest 2000 .... aaand that's about it really!!

lonewolf101245d ago

Sad but true that was pretty much it.

Kurt Russell1245d ago

Agreed, I never actually saw a 3DO make it to retailers in the UK. At least the Atari Jaguar was sold for around 6 months.

lonewolf101245d ago

It made it to some my brother got one, fared just as well as the Jaguar so most probably hard to find in general.

darthv721245d ago

3do had way better games. Jaguar not so much. Neo Geo sold less than both and yet isnt considered a failure. Go figure.

LWOGaming1245d ago

Stadia is a weird one. It hasn’t sold at all well but in terms of how it works it’s still miles ahead of Xcloud in terms of stability and performance. Xcloud is still a way behind and that needs sorting but it will be in time. Stadia for me is one of those things that will go down as a what could have been moments. With better marketing it could have been a roaring success. I still play it and it remains the best place in my opinion to play CyberPunk 2077. Only platform I have played it on without having any issues at all. The tech is great. The concept is fine. Marketing terrible. Shame really.

Magog1245d ago

The sales model was awful. They should have teamed with an existing player to allow for local and cloud access to games or a gaming subscription service.

LWOGaming1245d ago

It was a strange mess from such a huge company, as I said, as a system it works really well but without gamers it’s nothing. Such a waste,

LWOGaming1245d ago

The Xbox One was Microsoft’s Nintendo Wii U. Undercooked, undersold and just an unholy mess. The thing is with any of these failures is to learn from them and thankfully both Nintendo and Xbox did just that to the benefit of gamers everywhere.

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Pivotal Decisions in Gaming History - Xbox Goes All-In on Kinect

Xbox 360's Kinect had flopped yet Microsoft insisted on mandatory Kinect for Xbox One, driving the price up and alienating their potential customers.

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darthv721422d ago

the tech was pretty damn good but their focus on making it the centerpiece was not. Had they opted to keep it as a secondary or even tertiary device, it may have found new use for AR/VR.

PrimeVinister1422d ago

Maybe. But they were two early for VR and too late for motion control

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Godmars2901422d ago

Their focus was marketing metrics. Information gathering for targeted advertising. Also "event curating" or head counting for special TV events. If MS had had their way with always online and mandatory Kinect pre COVID, as and during it they'd likely be turning into dominant presence in many Western homes. Be getting subsidized by Disney and other streamers as well as the NFL.

Thing was, Kinect as an actual game system, its games, just weren't ready. MS moved on it too soon. Thankfully.

Atticus_finch1422d ago

Sorry but it was incredibly bad for gaming. The thing barely worked as intended and the games were broken shovelware. And let's not forget all the lies from Xbox to try and sell it. What happened to Milo?
It's like Xbox it's a perpetual lying machine.

PrimeVinister1422d ago

I had almost forgotten about Milo. It looks so unbelievable in retrospect. How did anyone believe it?!

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TheEnigma3131422d ago

Kinect requirement, TV focused, DRM, and $100 buried Xbone before it even stared.

PrimeVinister1422d ago (Edited 1422d ago )

I think Kinect was the worst of the bunch. They reversed DRM overnight and try to play down the TV stuff when they realised it made them look disinterested in gaming.

Kinect stuck around for six months, preventing sales and making more and more people upset when they dropped the Kinect and the price.

Atticus_finch1422d ago

Don't forget the inferior hardware which affects their game development to this day.
And the constant boasting and lying that hasn't change very much to this day.

kayoss1422d ago

I was kind of excited for the kinect. It had potential. That was until i tried it at one of their Microsoft store. The thing was so laggy and worker who was there, had no clue what he was doing. It kind of made rethink about buying an Xbox One with Kinect.

PrimeVinister1422d ago

I had already been turned off of the idea by Kinect for 360. Even when it worked, the games were bad and showed no potential.

Wii made you understand what they were going to do with it within about 10 seconds of Wii Sports. It went on to become a bit of a joke but at least it worked and had a purpose.

Thundercat771421d ago

The damage to the Xbox brand was so hard that til this day they are just the last place brand in the market.

PrimeVinister1421d ago

Totally. They haven't been really all that relevant since.

Godmars2901421d ago

That has to do with repeatedly failing, having to reaffirm only to again fail at creating a competent flow of decent games.

@PrimeVinister:
Until Game Pass and BC are mentioned. Only for the point to be missed.

kayoss1421d ago

thats because they dont know what they want to be. A gaming console, Television, or a gaming service?

Godmars2901421d ago

@kayoss:
They wanted, expected, to be Steam. To have everyone coming to them and paying for the privilege. That's the exact mentality on display when they tried to push always online.

brewin1421d ago

Its sad because the Xbox one version of Kinect was actually pretty solid. Not for motion games, I couldnt care less about those, but for the other features that are now commonplace in the gaming ecosystem. Things like voice control and optional motion features in games. Stuff that Sony did with the PS camera was pretty sweet and they could have done some of that stuff with Kinect.

The tech was pretty sweet when implemented right though. Who remembers the implementation in Dead Rising 3?! You could lure zombies away by saying stuff into the kinect, it was a bit hokey at first, but it actually enhanced the game significantly once you learned all the different voice commands. There was and still is nothing else like that!

The focus on TV seemed to be an issue for people, but the TV pass through had some real potential. They could have had cable companies giving the XBone out instead of cable boxes! I understood what they were trying to do, but they needed to show the games too, and thats where they lost the core gamers. Being able to jump right to a sports event or TV show with out leaving the console was actually a pretty cool thing. I spent many nights switching between NHL games or TV shows and jumping right back into my games seamlessly, just by telling Kinect to do so. It was better than people care to admit, but I loved it!

People say XBone had no games, but on launch I got Dead Rising 3, AC Black Flag, Watch Dogs, Killer Instinct, Battlefield 4, Forza 5, and Ryse. That was actually a pretty solid lineup in hindsight! Then later on it got gems like Quantum Break, Dead Rising 4, Sunset Overdrive, Gears 4 and 5, the Ori games, Rare Replay, Forza Horizon 3/4, State of Decay 2, ReCore (SUPER UNDERRATED GEM), Halo 5, Halo Wars 2, and all the great 3rd party stuff as well! I dare anyone who sat on the Xbox One to go back and give it a shot now.

It was actually a pretty great console all things considered. Yes the PS4 had better 1st party stuff, stuff that MS just couldnt top or even compete with, but there are some really great games that a lot of people missed out on that they would probably really enjoy if they actually played them. Thats why I recommend a Series S and Gamepass to a lot of people, as its a great way to get an awesome lineup pf games for super cheap!

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