Don't Blame Namco For Lag In Tekken 6. Blame The Technology

PS3Blog.net writes:

Tekken creator Katsuhiro Harada recently sat down for an interview with Kotaku. In it he says:

Harada is candid, perhaps unintentionally, about Tekken 6's substandard netcode. "Fighting games aren't really tailored to online play at the moment because of the lag," he said. "But as technology evolves and the infrastructure gets better, and you have much less latency, perhaps that kind of participation - whether that be avatars watching or whatever - can be recreated."

So the technology's to blame? Well, Mr. Harada, why didn't you say as much in your Game Pro interview back in April?

[Sonyslave3]

Damn all their fighting games lag like hell Soul Caliber 4 and now Tekken.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

Someone at Sony or Microsoft need to show these noobs how a fighting game is done when it comes to online Multiplayer.

[Saaking]

Blame the technology. Are they implying "something" held the game back?

[reintype]

I dislike devs who don't man up, and take responsibility for their work. It is very unprofessional.

Namco has been one of my favorite devs last gen, but just like SE, whatever esteem I may hold for them back then, is now quickly vanishing and being replaced by apathy.

[Winter47th]

BlazeBlue has the best netcoding ever. I could easily play with somebody in Japan and the online's as smooth as it can be.

Don't blame Technology. Blame your ancient lack of talent. If I was his boss I'd tell him to find a cardboard box & push his things in it.

[vhero]

Wow talk about making excuses..

[Dragun619]

Thats total BS. Maybe Namco you shouldn't have focused so much on Scenario Campaign over Online or even spend development time to port it to Xbox360. Hell, Tekken 5:DR had a better netcode along with the fact SF4, BB& SC4 played great online.

Psh..blaming technology, what a half ass excuse. Haven't Namco been working on the PS3 in which their own Arcade machines a based off of. I'd say Namco was just dumb with tekken 6, focusing more on SC and less focus on online resulting in a poor netcode. Everyone knows that online is important feature in fighting games.

[rockleex]

Says otherwise.

[NateNater]

Nope. I still blame Namco for this. If shooting games with dozens of players playing at the same time online can do it well, then why can't a game with 2 players playing simultaneously online do it just as good?

[Sprudling]

I also blame Namco - they could have done better since we've seen it in other fighters, but your argument is a bad one.

Shooters use a technique called clientside prediction to "hide" the latency and this works well in this genre. For fighters there are no tricks they can use.

Clientside prediction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[DrRobotnik]

Hell, Dead or Alive handled it smoothly years ago on the original xbox. Technology my ass.

[jack who]

but psn never lags

[Stryfeno2]

but, but but don't blame PSN its Namco servers.

[PirateThom]

Isn't the game laggy on 360 as well?

Have they fixed Gears 2 yet?

[ultimolu]

...GROW UP.

[4point7BillionLoss]

SUCKS.

18 months behind xbox Live ....

Play Behind you stupid droids !!!!

[Silly Mammo]

"A craftsman never blames his tools..."

[Ju]

Quote:
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IGN: Lag can kill a fighter. What steps are being taken to ensure a smooth play session online?

Yoshihiro Tsuzuku: It's impossible to get rid of the lags completely. It's hard to answer your question in a single word, but we are assuming various conditions and making necessary adjustments to find the best way.
--
This is Virtual Fighter, not Tekken6.

Lag is a problem in fighting games. Nowhere else is latency as important as in fighting games with a very direct input response time.

Shooters can compensate, fighting games not so much.

[Baka-akaB]

That is pure bull , there are various ways to compensate Where do you think the ideas behind GGPO and blazblue's and SF2 HD's netcode comes from ?

The truth of the matter is that Fighting games are entirely a japanese genre ... besides crap like mortal kombat , and the occasional boxing/wrestling game . There lies the heart of the issue .. those japanese developers are supporting outdated techniques and out of touch .

If you need any proof , they keep testing their online infrastructure in japan ... a country where some of our connexions are deemed only decent enough for mobile phones . Not only they internet network doesnt match enough the average infrastructure around the world , but it's silly to only test an online game locally , in the same region .

This isnt even something to blame on Namco , but basically all of them , they keep dismissing alternatives since they are to proud to seek help from the west or smaller companies

Lately i've even seen a few shoot down GGPO and say it only works for 2d games . Wich is absolutely untrue , according to GGPO's own creator .

They just dont want to ask for help , admit heir incompetence , or license proper netcodes .

I was even hoping that Super Street Fighter 4 would fix the online , but i'm getting quite scared , when i see SF4's director proclaims that "SF4's online quality would be preserved despite spectators in sf4" ..
What the hell does that even mean ? Quality preserved ? it's not even good enough yet .

[Bumpmapping]

In other words blame the 360 for it's lack of dedicated servers and hardware capabilities.

RIP Tekken.

[Dragunov]

Tekken 5 dr is sometimes laggy, but it depends of your connection. Tekken 6 is much worse, why? Wasted all resources in a 360 port? Or maybe they are lazy?

Worst part is that the core game is great, but i cant play with good players

[Baka-akaB]

T5 Dr's online was mostly bad in my case because the morons region restricted the servers . So basically people like me like in EU carribean soil , and werent already used to only buying stuff on the US store , got shafted ..

being forced to connect to EU while being next to USA ... that was awesome .

But still sometimes it would manage to play decently , and was a first try .
After T5's online , they could only and should have only improved .
Instead they made a better lobby , but without kick options , and a worse connexion .

After T5 Dr , after Soul calibur 4 , and after all of their competition going going , there is no excuse at all .

I'm loving t6 for the same old reason , i have several friends who are more into fighting games than any other genres to play locally with . If i was an online players i'd be quite more pissed ... just like many people here

[Madis007]

Uncharted 2?

[Dragunov]

Tekken 6 lags bad in the two sistems. Its their fault not knowing how to program a decent netcode

[KilZoneGeneralStrife]

My losses are also coming from random server dc's too.Fix it man!

[Krimmson]

... Until I played Blazblue and Street Fighter 4 online.
Sorry Namco, you can't blame the technology when others have found ways to overcome it rather nicely. Now, I know online fighting isn't the best and I know it'll have its issues.
But this is like the equivalent of when developers used to talk about how friggin hard it was/is to develop games for the PS3, when you see games like CoD4 work rather nicely on PS3. You just end up looking like an ass.

[Gun_Senshi]

From EU I connect to USA and JP people with NO LAG

[jerethdagryphon]

is there a decent online comunity for blaz blue ?

[Redempteur]

depends on the hour of the day you look for matches ...

it goes from A LOT to NOTHING depending on the hour

[LostDjinn]

Come on Namco. We both know technology isn't to blame for the problems with this game. Lag, maybe. Campaign scenario? What the hell were you guys smokin'? That's some busted $&!#. I nearly went mad trying to play it.

[Darkspade]

I can Play COD or Battlefield Lag Free, and they make a Fighting Game Lag Free, I Blame Namco 100%

[SSCOOLCHEA]

and it fks up everything . it even fk up the psn network. thank you xbot/namco. thats why i didnt buy your punk azz game .

[MK_Red]

I'm pretty sure every other 3D fighter of this gen with an online component didn't have much lag (Hell, even that stupid MK vs DC had decent online performance).

So, the tech is to blame... riiiiigght.

[X]

So what's the explanation for the crappy load times between fights? Even after an install?

This game really disappointed me considering how much I liked Tekken 5 and Tekken DR.

[ll_UNDERSCORE_ll]

really "blame technology ?", it's like saying when theres a homicide "blame the gun, not the shooter".

[gemc666]

then, i blame the technology for my losses on the game, lol