Tekken 6 PS3/360 : The resolution game

Digital Foundry on Eurogamer writes:

"In Saturday's Digital Foundry "not so high definition" feature, we talked about the technical reasons why some console games don't actually appear to be running at the lowest HD standard: 720p.

We revealed that Namco-Bandai's forthcoming Tekken 6 is one of those games, but also stated that the additional graphics processing introduced at the lower resolution, surprisingly, produced a higher overall image quality than the game's in-built HD mode which actually runs in excess of 720p.

Our analysis was exclusive to the Xbox 360 version of the game, and we promised an update on the PS3 rendition, so let's get going. To put it simply, there's good news and bad news here."

[MetalGearRising]

So what the article is trying to say is PS3 fans are well and truly F*CKED only choice is to play the xbox360 version which is superior version.

Also this is the first time Tekken will be on xbox360 which goes to prove all previous Tekkens on ps the developers couldn't show the true potential that is until they got there hands on xbox360 which will show case how Tekken was suppose to look and play.

[ultimolu]

"Overall, although there's really nothing in it in the heat of gameplay, we'd take the PS3's blur-off 576p 2xMSAA picture as the best IQ option available across both versions, the realisation of which suggests that the whole game would've benefited a lot more with the more traditional arrangement of native 720p and MSAA."

Learn how to f*cking read idiot.

[callahan09]

Umm, what?

In addition to the quote from the article that Ultimolu put forth, there's also this:

"One thing that is admirable is that there's also obvious evidence of Namco making use of the extra space on the Blu-ray disc. Tekken 6 data weighs in at around 20GB. Intro and ending movies tend to get the full-on CG treatment beloved of the Tekken series, and it's good to know that Namco-Bandai has taken a zero compromise approach to them, using the maximum bandwidth available that the freedom of a 25GB Blu-ray disc offers."

So the pre-rendered stuff is 1080p blu-ray caliber stuff on the PS3 version, and not on the 360 version due to space limitations on the 360's DVD format. Couple that with the Digital Foundry's conclusion that the PS3 version looks better, well, I think it's clear that saying "PS3 fans are well and truly F*CKED only choice is to play the xbox360 version which is superior version" is just wrong.

[DaTruth]

Why don't they just put the CG movies on another disc and they can swap out every time a CG movie needs to play? We know 360 owners don't mind disc swapping!

[callahan09]

Sometimes this site makes me seriously worry. People are actually disagreeing with the notion that the 360 version is NOT the winner on this one? It's right there in the article! The best looking version of the game is the PS3 version with motion blur turned off, in the opinion of Digital Foundry. And the pre-rendered cutscenes are in full HD quality on the PS3 version, and not on the 360 version. So how exactly is MetalGearRising getting so many agrees? If you read the article, I think it's pretty clear that PS3 owners are getting the better version with this one.

[ultimolu]

Very interesting read.

If I have some money, I'm getting Tekken 6 too. Haven't played a Tekken game since Dark Resurrection. I'm gonna be rusty. :(

[hay]

I don't really care about all the pixel counting and gonna preorder it probably for my console of choice no matter if it has few pixels less in gadzillion times zoom. /downplaying the role of comparison with premeditation.

[StanLee]

"Tekken 5 was already running 1080p 60fps on the PS3"

In your effing dreams fanboy.

[josuttis]

It's not like this is the first game this gen that has been downgraded because of the 360.

The PS3 has a massive graphical power advantage over the 360. A bigger graphical power advantage than any other gen in console history.

It goes all the way back to the PS3 launch. The 360 could only run Ridge Racer at 720. The PS3 was able to run it at 1080p 60fps.

And it has been like that for this entire gen all the way up to the latest games. The 360 can only get the worse looking Forza 3 to run at 720p while the PS3 is able to have Gran Turismo 5 running at 1080p 60fps.

The PS3 is pumping out double the pixels per frame with ease over the 360.

And yes, Tekken 5DR runs at full 1080p 60fps on the PS3. How can anyone not know that?

[St0]

@1.3 Um, it was 1080p 60fps. Tekken 5 was a last gen PS2 game ported to PS3 so it was easy for the devs to make it 60fps 1080p

[Sarcasm]

""Tekken 5 was already running 1080p 60fps on the PS3"

In your effing dreams fanboy."

Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection was rendered in Native 1920x1080 60fps. It's not a dream or a lie considering it's really an upgraded PS2 engine. And it's not that taxing on the hardware either.

[n4gn4gn4gn4g]

I don't have the game...but Gamasutra stated the above facts.

http://www.gamasutra.com/ph...

Running at full HD (in up to 720p or 1080p) at a promised 60 frames per second, the new version of the 7th iteration in the long-running Tekken series makes boss character Jinpachi Mishima playable for the first time.

[ultimolu]

Poor Stan. It's alright, really it is.

Is this what Microsoft stands for these days? Having games downgraded just to please their fans and upset the other side?

I cannot and will not support a company that does that.

Either way it's good to know that Sony was very smart when they went with bluray.

[yippie1234y]

anyone who has ever messed with their video card settings knows if you reduce the resolution but add filters and what not you can actually gain fps and still have a good image, possibly a better one.

why in 2009 do developers and sites still need to tell us that?

[MNicholas]

The screens below show what a fighting game should look like. Screens taken from a youtube video of actual gameplay:

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[timmyrulz]

How the heck can it be "dumbed down" if the 360 version holds a better resolution and the lead platform was the ps3??

[StanLee]

Okay, let me clarify something; Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection is a PSP game. The PSN version is a upscaled PS2 game. Now to Tekken 6; the biggest talking point of Tekken 6 was the motion blur in a fighting game. The motion blur IS the reason it would be so technologically demanding. And you have to turn it off for the PS3 version to run comparably?! How is that an a plus?

[Sarcasm]

"How the heck can it be "dumbed down" if the 360 version holds a better resolution and the lead platform was the ps3?? "

They are the same resolutions until you turn off the motion blur effect on the 360, then the 360 version runs in the higher resolution. But it doesn't have any MSAA. The PS3 version just stays in one resolution, but once you turn off the motion blur, it runs in 2xMSAA.

So both versions are Gimped.

And the "lead platform" is actually the Arcade, not the PS3.

Don't you guys know how to "READ???"

[Kushan]

Sorry, but where's the evidence of anything actually getting gimped? If you read both articles, particularly this one, you'll notice that they used a very different rendering technique for the 360 version that's better suited to the hardware, so how does that make the PS3 version "gimped"?
Considering Namco have used full HD videos for the intro/outros of the PS3 version, that says to me that they're willing to take advantage of a machine's strengths when they could have easily used the same video resolution on both.

Just because both games happen to run comparably well does not mean that it was in any way "gimped". If you REALLY want to accuse Namco of gimping the game, go do some comparisons with the Arcade version, if you can find hard evidence that the Arcade version is "superior" in any significant way, you'll know for sure since that version ran on PS3 hardware, but until then all I see is speculation.

[Prototype]

I'm not a graphics person (read my comment history if you don't believe me) and I don't care how "clean" or "flashy" Tekken 6 is I'm concerned about how fun the game is. The last Tekken I played and enjoyed was Tekken Tag Tournament Arcade (and 3 on Playstation with Gon and Bosconovich); and I will kill to at least play it one more time if I can ever find an arcade machine.....

If anyone wants to practice on Tekken 5 Online on the PSN add me (Nitrojin) I could use some practice :D

Bottom line is they can argue all day about the resolution, it doesn't mean s-it if the game doesn't deliver.

[DaTruth]

We just had a whole article of the 360's failings the last time around(they needed two pages). Now they address the PS3 version and can't find a technical reason for the resolution to be lower! None of the comparing all the titles that run below HD, because PS3 exclusives only run in HD!

By not discussing any technical reasons why the PS3 version is sub-HD, and discussing many reasons why the 360 version is sub-HD, they have absolutely left us with the impression that it was only to cater to the 360, and the 720p mode on the 360 is just to get around Microsoft's requirement that all games render at 720p(which wasn't withdrawn until this game was well into development).

Sony never demanded 720p and HD resolution problems only come up in multiplatform development, even when the games are technically inferior to PS3 exclusives rendered in 720p!

[Dannagar]

The arcade architecture for Tekken 6 is based on the Playstation 3 hardware. The Playstation 3 rendition of Tekken 6 wasn't dumbed down for the Xbox 360. There's isn't anything in the article or the internet to support that idea. If Namco could do better with the PS3 hardware, they would have. The port over to the Xbox 360 is a fantastic port. I had the opportunity to play both at E3 and both versions are great. No matter what system you have, if you're a Tekken fan, you'll be happy.

[vhero]

Even so it looks god damn terrible graphics wise and no nex gen game especially a fighter should be less than basic 720p HD. I mean that beats the purpose of nex gen consoles my PS2 can handle upto 720p for crying out loud. So 720p should be minimum especially for something as basic as a fighting game where there isn't much going on on the screen at once. It's just LAZY development just like Bungie with Halo. Maybe if it stayed exclusive this wouldn't have happened but who knows?? It still probably wouldn't This is Namco/Bandai after all there will probably be another 10 characters on the disc you cant access without paying for! Look at DOA that game goes upto 1080p for a perfect example of a fighting game that can do it.

[Winter47th]

I won't support Namco this time. Shame, Tekken was my favorite series. I'll miss Bryan Fury. But Namco's known for their quality and how much they reach their fans' expectations, and for them to gimp the game like that for the sake of an inferior console which their game won't sell half as good on it due to, well, the worst fighting controller in the last 4 generations, that's simply unacceptable.

[vhero]

@Winter47th - Totally agree mate Namco since merging with Bandai have changed from a loyal company who make plenty of money from their high quality games to a company who only care about cash and bring out average games. Soul Calibur was a huge disappointment and no doubt this will be too.

[Kornholic]

Some of the most popular current gen games have Sub-HD resolution, Call of Duty 4 and Halo 3 for example.

600p for Call of Duty 4 console versions and 640p for Halo 3.

[snake_eater]

PS3 the superior version once again.

[Cwalat]

So if i understand correctly, they'd go with the PS3 version with motion blur-off as the winner.

If both versions have the motion blur-on, the 360 version looks better. But the overall winner for them interms of technical graphics is PS3 version with motion-blur off.

I'll try both motion blur-on and -off to see for myself which one looks better. But if it's already locked at 60FPS i don't think i'll need an extended motion enhancer inorder for it to look like it's running at a higher FPS.

Been waiting for Tekken 6 for way too long, and it's just around the corner! =) No comparison or winner of comparison is gonna change my mind and not make me pick up Tekken 6. Come Oct 30, Kazuya and i will own you all online ;)

[Sarcasm]

I think we all want the best possible graphics we can get, but for fighting games it's an exception IMO. It's good that they prioritize a solid frame rate and responsive controls over native resolutions. Because at the end of the day, 720p or 576p, you're playing a fighting game in which every move is essential.

[gtamike123]

Will be getting the PS3 Version because i've played all the others on Playstation. I think most of the Tekken fans will getting the PS3 Version also, but not the ones that say the last one they played was Tekken 3 maybe.

[ceedubya9]

But that's based on friends list and the fact that my arcade stick is for the 360.

[ceedubya9]

WOW. Who in the world disagrees with someone personal buying choices? This site gets sadder and sadder every day.

[MetalGearRising]

So now that ps3 game runs at sub hd 576p everything is fine and you twats were crying out loud like little girls when halo3 odst ran under sub hd Double Standards.

[Rhythmattic]

T6, good or not, I'm not buying it.

ODST, borrowed it. Glad I Did.

[ZombieAutopsy]

im getting dizzy...

[DaTruth]

Which PS3 exclusive runs in 576p?

Point proven!

[Bathyj]

Trying to do Kings combograbs on an XB controller.

Decision made.

[ceedubya9]

I remember playing Tekken on past PS consoles. I hated not being able to pull off some moves due to using a controller. Some games are doable with a controller, but in lots of cases, you can't beat a good arcade stick.

In this case, it would seem like the dualshock would just be the lesser of two evils when compared to the 360 controller.

[The Wood]

decision made;)

@ ceeda

I find the pad perfect. I even prefer pads for streetfighter + any other fighter but thats just me therefore the ps pad is not an evil at all

i know ur not calling it evil;).. the thing is im better on pads than i ever was in the arcade especially fighting from right to left. On the pad im a monster whilst on the sticks im just ok

[ceedubya9]

I will admit, PS pad is better than the 360 pad. But neither are all that great for fighting games. The 360 pad is just the worst of the worst. The one for Playstation is at least adequate. If I had no other choice but a base controller, then it would be PS hands down.

But, arcade layouts give you better control overall if you learn how to use them. When I said lesser of two evils I didn't mean that the PS pad was "evil," but that there are still better options out there.

Most serious fighting fans will live and die by an arcade stick. Those that just play for fun and what not, and a base controller is good enough, then the PS dualshock all the way.

[takohma]

ever heard of controlly configurations??? lol i use my R2 R1 L2 L1 buttons and i have no problem doing all of kings grabs. mater of facteveryone's grab combos. hit me up if u wanna see the rolling death cfradle or Bruce's knee death combo. PS3 all the way for me. but i did get the special ed. to practice wit a stick so i can be good at the arcades. i suck wit the joystick lol

[Bathyj]

I've never liked the Arcade sticks. The only exception for me was Streetfighter II on SNES.

I cant even play Tekken in an Arcade, I look like a noob, but I can do all of Kings and Ninas multistring moves on a PS pad. I think its perfect.

Like you said, each to their own.

takohma
I'd rather cheat in the special olympics than assign those moves to those buttons. If you cant do them, you shouldn't be doing them.

[cheapndirty]

You guys play fighting games on a pad? Ps3 or 360 pads are not good enough for me for fighting games. I will get a stick.

SAme with driving games. Wireless force feed back wheel for me or nothing.

To each their own.

[aaronisbla]

Its not the controller, its the player

That being said, i prefer sticks over pads for fighters but i had to make due this gen on my dualshock 3 pad cuz of the price for sticks. But im getting the arcade stick bundle for this game, so problem solved

[Snatcher]

I will stick with my Dead or Alive 4, only on Xbox 360.

[techie]

Amusing, PS3 version wins.

[Thoreau]

thanks to your beloved 360, we could not get a straight arcade port and had to settle for a 360 port. we all know the arcade version of t6br runs on ps3 hardware purely, but now i will settle for the crap home version. thanks micro.

[Rhythmattic]

Actually, its a good point, but assumed.

Unless there is any info on Res/Framrates regarding the Arcade versions that I'm told are running on PS3 hardware?

[Thoreau]

look it up, its the 360 that holds back an arcade game base solely on ps3 hardware. click disagree, remain ignorant and count pixels. the 360 ports hold back t6br. we know why this disgusting port has happened. the 360....

[Rhythmattic]

I dont want 360/PS3 comparisons. I want Arcade/Console comparisons. Afterall, Supposedly the arcade unit uses a PS3 motherboard.

No one seems to have the answer, nothing concrete. Not even google.

[Thoreau]

doa4 is the WORST fighter of this gen. you are just a scrub whom enjoys 3d fighter with no usable sidestep and a defensive low hold that dominates the game.

what, i don't know doa4? think again.

[Snatcher]

Gamepro = 10/10
AceGamez = 10/10
ZTGameDomain = 10/10
GameShark = 9.1/10
IGN = 9/10
1UP = 9/10
Game Informer = 9/10
GameSpot = 8.8
G4TV = 8/10

Worst fighting game of this generation you say? Well, all of the reviews say the opposite. Where is your fighting game exclusive on the PS3? Oh right, you don't have any. A pity, eh?

[MetalGearBear]

that was 4-5 years ago.

[SuperSaiyan4]

The GAMER wins, although I have both systems I highly prefer the Xbox 360 controller and prefering to game on my 360 I win as this game finally comes out on the 360. The other plus side is the huge online community on the 360.

[Tomonobu Itagaki]

Playing a fighting game with 360 controller is like running a marathon on the hands.

[josuttis]

"The other plus side is the huge online community on the 360."

Was that supposed to be a joke?

A console where you can only play online with people who are dumb enough to be paying 50 dollar a year online fees with

vs.

A console where every single gamer with a Net connection can play the game

[ultimolu]

Of course you would!

Just because you have both systems doesn't make you any less of a fanboy.

[Baka-akaB]

Both controller are crappy for fighting games . Sticks are the only thing that matters , or at least pads modelled after fighting game classics such as the Saturn's pad , or the Neo geo's controller .

The rest is crap for fighting games , even below the snes and genesis pads .

But please keep fighting over who's the best of the worst .

And enough with the XBL superior community crap ... You either join a lobby or not like in sf4 . Everyone can use mics , and everyone got access to the same ladders and ranking systems .

The real fighting community go on stuff like shoryuken forums for capcom games mosly , and other dedicated forums and sites such as dustloop for everything GG abd BB ...
They dont spend time on silly PS or 360 blogs .

[BLuKhaos]

phew thank god! That means one less n00b on PSN.

[takohma]

ill take u on using a pad any day while u use ur stick.lol i lost count wit how many people try to push that idea of the stick makes u a better player lmao. DS3 is ultra responsive. i never have any problems playing tekken or soul calibur wit my DS3. Im not a fan boy just hate when people think there better just cuz they use a stick. my gf uses a stick too bruh..but its mine lol. sry was that too much. ps i dont have a lot of bubble so i might no be able to respond lmao

[Baka-akaB]

WTF are you even babbling about ?

When did i ever mention being a better player with a stick ?
I commented about a bunch of people fighting each over two inferior controllers , or some so called inferior/superior network crap and using it as an excuse to console war that's all .

The stick is better for fighting games period . It's unrelated to anyone's skill , it's just the optimal mean to play it .
Wich means that if someone is going to fight over who got the best console for it , or version of the game based on that , he's off base anyway .

Racing wheel are obviously better for most racing game or simu as well , and it's as well unrelated to skills .

[reintype]

IMO fight sticks are great for fighting games that uses 6 buttons (sf4, etc.) but for fighting games like TEKKEN that uses only 4 buttons, the DS3 is superior from what I've experience.
DISCLAIMER: Probably because I learn Tekken 3 from PSX, hence my natural affinity for the DS controller, as opposed to learning SF at the arcades.

This is because it is easier to transition move to move just by tapping the d-pad, instead of using the stick with your wrist ex. Devil Jin: crouch-dash, crouch-dash, ss, crouch dash, ss, etc. you get the idea. And because Tekken uses only 4 buttons as opposed to 6, the DS3 is ideal.

The trick is, you just need to learn to play Tekken with your right hand using your index finger and your middle finger, as opposed to using just your thumb, making it easier to do moves with simultaneous button presses ex. Devil Jin's Head Butt: forward+lp+rp.

And best of all you don't need to shell out for $100+ for a fight sticks to be competitive.

[takohma]

@baka
ok i must of misread ur post. but i just dont believe a stick is optimal. the guy above says is best. its a 4 button game. and u always have ur shoulder buttons to use that u can configure. i can do a j/f move way better wit a DS3 then wit a stick. DS3 just fits perfectly into ur hands. but i did get the special edittion that comes wit the joy stick because i wanna see wuts all the fuss about. i just always hear people who play wit sticks think their better just cuz....but my bad bruh..

[kraze07]

@takohma
I agree with you about the sticks. It's funny how some people believe you magically become better when you play with an arcade stick.

[aaronisbla]

It depends on the players. For me, i tend to get voldo's just framed elbow way more on stick than i do on pad.

[Baka-akaB]

Switching to 4 buttons hardly matters for the stick .
You guys forget that games like KoF or anything snk , Blazblue or Guilty gear , often use 4 buttons .

With a pad , be it a 6 or 4 buttons game , many players feel the need to map the L/R shoulder buttons for buttons combinations such as grabs , HP+HK , in sf4 3 Punches or 3 kicks etc etc .

Some will still do with a stick , but it's less needed on it . You've got the big four buttons in front of you and can even select it's disposition , from the original arcade layouts , to a similar to the playstation or 360 4 buttons square . It becomes faster, and easier to input multiple button presses without relying on shortcut buttons .

You can't have all the 10 regular double presses excluding triple press and super charge (4 buttons) assigned all at once on a pad, only 4. While this usually is not a problem you may have to compromise if you are playing a character that uses 1+4 or 2+3 or even both. But on a stick you have all the combination easily accessible.

And yes it's pretty much the optimal mean , it's after all the controller is was designed for , the rest is just personal comfort and reasons .

Even for tekken , wich feature far less half circle , quarter circle and shoryuken motions , and mostly buttons and directions , imo it's still better .

Some will feel that even without the usual circly motions of other fightin games , Tekken benefits greatly from the stick because of it's motions system namely the sidesteps , and again multiple buttons press .

Also , while everyone will have it's own method , it doesnt boils down to using your wrist and givin you a carpal tunnel :p .

wave dashing and EWGF for the Mishimas is arguably easier along with the few odd moves of some characters like Nina .

Bryan's taunt multiple combos go from being quite nightmarish (but still obviously doable and easy for some really good players) to easier and of medium difficulty .

Anyway i'll agree howaver that compared to 2d and 2.5d fighters , games like Tekken absolutely benefit less from an arcade stick .

@Takohma

No worries pal , bubble anyway for the still constructive debate .

[MetalGearRising]

Makes me wonder how great Uncharted 2 would have looked if it wasn't on ps3 and because of ps3 Uncharted 2 doesn't look much different from uncharted graphically. Thats what you get for working with ps3 hardware.

[ToastyMcNibbles]

i dont know why you guys take MetalGearRising so seriously... i think hes hilarious lol

[Keowrath]

Good God! All this fuss over something that isn't really viewable unless you zoom in 500%?

If you actually play this type of game in particular you're really not going to notice on either console. A still shot cannot show what you're going to be experiencing for 99.999% of the time when you are actually playing.

I know this generation is about high definition (for the 360 and ps3) I know that's all about the graphics and I love having a game look nice. But this generation has created too many graphics whores. The PS2 was my favourite console last generation and it probably had the weakest graphics of the 3 main consoles.

better graphics don't mean a thing to me, especially if the game plays like crap. Tekken is Tekken if you're a fan, you'll know it'll play like a dream, the graphics reguardless of resolution look really nice. Knowing the game is sub HD will not change my enjoyment in the title.

[krisq]

Couldn't care less about the graphics when it comes to Tekken.
Gameplay is where it's at.

[kraze07]

Like I said on the other article I really don't care about this resolution analysis. It's not going to keep me from getting the game.

[Swiftfox]

What a silly thing to argue about.

I mean so many people find it important but I would think there would be better/more important things to fight over. Like if one version received more characters, one of the versions has moves or modes omitted, or even one coming with different pre-order bonuses. But, the number of pixels on screen? Honestly?

[ultimolu]

If it was actually the 360 version that was better, 360 fans wouldn't hesitate to rub it in the faces of PS3 fans. I don't care for resolution either but it amazes me how cowardly these guys act.

[ceedubya9]

would be bragging too. Fanboys on each side are just as likely to act stupid and childish as the other.

[Thoreau]

post scores, no sidestep to evade attacks, broken wall game, overpowered low defensive hold(evades highs, stops lows, solid throw escape) i played some of the best players in the world in doa4, you just some scrub whom doesn't no sh!t about doa4, because you ONLY own a 360. guess what, i got the 360-xbl=heavens boxer
psn-southpaw79. please reviews don't know how the game truly works. next time you getting stunned and you're mashing buttons and someone high counter throws your sorry behind, or you get stunned and launched by 1 of 3 get up kicks, keep posting scores will make you better...

[theone26]

I don't care whether the game is held back by 360 or not, it's gonna look like 7 kinds of blur on my 46" Bravia Z or any 42"+ HDTVs. So not a fan of sub HD gaming nowadays especially after watching Uncharted 2 gameplays.

[Veneno]

But it's just a fighting game; a fun fighter doesn't really need powerful hardware unless it's 3D. 3D fighters are tougher to make look good than the flashy 2D ones, but Namco does a great job at that. Looking forward to this game!

[divideby0]

pixel counters .... I am more concerned on playability....my 360 controler is not as good as my PS3 controller for fighters

[ceedubya9]

The Fightpads actually work pretty well due to having 6 face buttons and an okay pad. I've heard that their durability hasn't been all that great though.

The 360 pad is just awful.

[testerg35]

"Counting pixels or not, just another game downgrading and gimped to support the weakass Xbox 360 graphics hardware."

Wasn't the PS3 the lead platform and that hardware that the arcade is based on? So you're telling me that Namco rewrote the PS3 engine, and downgraded the graphics just so it would look similar to the 360 version?

[Salta_nelas]

Although PS3 gets the best looking version, i cant help not being disappointed at Namco.

4 years to release Tekken, a beat em up, and they give us a sub HD product? Nice one Namco.

[Baka-akaB]

The article kinda proves it , it's not entirely 360 or ps3 at fault here , but namco being lazy in some areas like so many devs.
The article says it , nothing prevented Namco from pushing for higher resolution on ps3 , nothing as it would have looked even better .

The fault like in the usual let's go for the inferior yet uniform look , instead of pushing each hardwares .

And that's something every multiplatform dev is guilty off lately . They fear fanboys , something they wouldnt care about before , and now instead of delivering different versions on each system based on their advantages and iherent strengths , they go for the inferior version , that would look roughly the same everywhere .

When there is a difference , it comes with exclusive dlcs , thanks to marketing exec dictating the future of the whole game .

And some of them are smart , mostly Namco and Capcom. Very smart .

You can't really have an huge uproar and outcry as each of their games looks good anyway . They are careful enough to still have good or georgeous games .
They just dont push the boundaries , and most people wont catch that .

[Foxgod]

Man, now that Namco is considered lazy as well, how many devs are there left that are not lazy?

[labaronx]

in this particular case it seems that digital foundry/eurogamer are the ones calling namco out...

[SupaPlaya]

who's lazy, it should be who's NOT lazy. That way you get a shorter list :P

[takohma]

how many dev's are left that arent lazy??? i guess that just narrows it down to every 1st party studio that sony has lmao.

[sajj316]

I could care less about the resolution .. what I did find interesting is the following below. What about the 360 version?

"One thing that is admirable is that there's also obvious evidence of Namco making use of the extra space on the Blu-ray disc. Tekken 6 data weighs in at around 20GB. Bearing in mind the size of the install, it's fair to assume that the rendered movies get the benefit here. That said, in the Tekken Force "Scenario Mode", cut-scenes are generally engine-driven using in-game assets, running at 60FPS on both consoles and are of essentially equal quality. Intro and ending movies tend to get the full-on CG treatment beloved of the Tekken series, and it's good to know that Namco-Bandai has taken a zero compromise approach to them, using the maximum bandwidth available that the freedom of a 25GB Blu-ray disc offers."

[ceedubya9]

The rendered cutscenes will be in hi-def, taking advantage of the abilities and space that BR discs offer. Audio and Video will obviously turn out better here on the PS3 game than the regular standard stuff on the 360 dvds.

Hopefully the 360 endings don't look TOO choppy. Seems like the in-game stuff will be okay though.

[Ninji]

The series has went downhill ever since Tekken Tag. I even got Tekken 5 and I regret that and Tekken 6 only looks worse. Most people who still care about this series will buy it on PS3 because nobody wants to play a fighting game on the 360 with their crappy d-pad. Arcade sticks should be an option, not a requirement.

[DarkSniper]

This further reaffirms that the PLAYSTATION®3 version of Tekken 6 will be the superior version. Microslaves first and foremost do not deserve such a coveted franchise, which further explains why their version will not be the complete verson.

Second, Dark Sniper cannot even fathom the difficulty of completing 10 hit combos with Lei Wulong on an Xbox 360 controller. Which makes the decision for him to forego the Xbox version completely. Combine this with the terrible services that Xbox Live has to offer and this makes an easy decision for Dark Sniper.

Dark Sniper knows which version he's getting this fall.

$niper

[jetlian]

out what about 360 1024x576 without motion blur?! the whole thing is a set up

[xg-ei8ht]

Last fighting game i played was TEKKEN3, Although fun at the time, it's very old gaming wise. A demo would do me, without actually buying the game.

And if you lot think they are pushing the consoles, your mad.

Too much time spent on different versions, etc.

Could have looked alot better, and still ran 60fps.

[nolifeking]

gaming wise because it came out a decade or less. When it first came out, the only thing it could be compared to was VF.

Side note: If that's the last fighter you've played, I think you should avoid places where people have played stuff a bit more recent. Tekken 4 and 5 come to mind.

[Redempteur]

If a demo comes if it ever comes .. it will be like soul 4 , after the release of the game

[fire23]

Edit: wrong comment replied to sorry

[RockmanII7]

Last Tekken I played was 3, but I have Soul Caliber 4.

[nolifeking]

last tekken I played was 5, plus I own SCII, III and IV, SF II, III, and IV, guilty gear, Hakotu No Ken, and a crap load of other fighters. My point is, if the last fighter he's played came out when I was starting High School, he really has no say in anything regarding this.

[nolifeking]

How the hell could you use DOA 4 as a shot a PS owners for not having a fighting exclusive? I could care less what reviewers gave it, as a fighting game that would obviously be looked upon in the same light as VR, SC and Tekken it was a joke. All DOA had was the flash, "jazz hands" if you will, when you were dealing with the easily exploitable reversals and sub-par fighting system. No real fighting game fan takes this "franchise" seriously, it really is a laughing stoke.

[dkgshiz]

"Tekken, its still the same game except with new characters" Why do people like Tekken? The combat system is a broken turd. Seriously, Virtua fighter smokes the Tekken series in so many ways. Same goes for Soul Calibur.

[Ghostflight]

You don't know what your talking about. All Characters have been tweaked, new moves and animation, Bound - more juggling, rage system and plays differently than 5.

The game fighting system is not broken. Your probably a button masher and gets beaten by moves that you can't parry or predict.

"Virtua fighter smokes the Tekken series in so many ways"
No it doesn't. Tekken has more characters, more accessible for begginers and easy to learn but hard to master, better character design, fighting system runs in 60FPS, bigger fanbase.....

[dkgshiz]

no buy

[inbetweener]

I can't believe how long its been in development and how $HIT it looks. On both platforms.

[na2ru1]

The endings will still be in CG and in HD. I do love my Tekken endings.

[Anon1974]

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[MrBuffalo]

Im getting the ps3 version purely because I have two virtua high grade sticks that I got along with my imported VF5 a couple of years ago and they're damn good. Same was true with Street Fighter 4. The only fighting game I have on my 360 is doa 4 (excluding fight night). Thats the only reason I pick ps3 for fight games. I harbour no creepy feelings for any particular box of electronics.

[commodore64]

ps3 576p
360 720p

That's the gist of it, yeah?

[Anon1974]

Eurogamer found "the PS3 version still manages to command a slightly higher image quality overall"

But how can that be, Commodore? How can the PS3 have lower resolution and yet be the better game? Could it be that resolution isn't everything?

Maybe it might have something to do with, when the game is set at 720p on the 360 "you don't get close-to-native resolution as you might expect. Indeed, the image is scaled down to 720p internally, then scaled back up."

"we'd take the PS3's blur-off 576p 2xMSAA picture as the best IQ option available across both versions"

Your attempt at trolling fails. Try reading the article next time.

Yet another multiplat better on the PS3.

[commodore64]

Yep I read the article.

ps3 576p
360 720p

Another ps3 multiplat forced to run at a lower resolution, to keep up.
That's the gist of it, yeah?

[Anon1974]

So, Eurogamers confirms that the PS3 version is the best version, and you choose to ignore this and everything they said and just focus on resolution.

Read the article. By ignoring everything in the entire article except for the resolution, you're making yourself look like an ass.

Edit: Wow. Your trolling has really ticked a lot of people off recently, eh? You went down to four bubbles in a hurry. Long overdue based on your posting history. Oh wait - Go go gadget multiple accounts! I see you're back up to six again, despite posting no new comments for a day for people to click on.

[commodore64]

Yep I read the article.

ps3 576p
360 720p

Ain't nuthin' darkride66 can do about it.
Damn he is one angry ps3 fanboy, isn't he?

Truth is I have no multiple accounts, unlike darkride66, trollboy 'el sdf presidente'!

[Anon1974]

So, you don't care that the PS3 version is better - all that matters to you is what resolution it runs at?

Ok then...

[commodore64]

ps3 576p
360 720p

It's kind of redundant what you said, because the ps3 obviously is incapable of rendering the game at 720p, thus had to gimped down to 576p, with some additional effects to 'cover up' this shortcoming.
That's the truth, right there.

I prefer to stick to cold, hard, facts and evidence, not the subjective personal opinions that you see to be fond of.
In that regard, it is undeniable that the ps3 version is, once again, gimped.

It's the same as GTA4 where the ps3 version ran at 640p (with some additional effects, to cover up) while the 360 ran at 720p.

It all reminds me of girls i see in clubs when i play in my band on weekends, that wear too much makeup, to cover up the fact that they were not so pretty to start with!
In the dark, after a beer, if you don't look too close - sure - they look ok... but you and i both know that the make-up is covering up the truth.
So too, it is with the 576p ps3 effect: You and I both know that it just isn't quite 720p and desperately hoping no-one will notice!

I guess, in late 2009, nothing has changed.
PS3 multiplats continue to be gimped at sub 360 resolutions!

This doesn't even surprise me anymore.

What's most disappointing, however, darkride66, is that THIS ONE TIME that the eurogamer writer remarks with subjective positive ps3 sentiment, you cling to his words like a drowning man to a liferaft!

... isn't that kinda weird?

Does this mean you also now need to accept the HUNDREDS of other times when the opposite sentiment was voiced by eurogamer?

Keep drinking that Sony-juice, I hear it's even better than the kool-aid you love so much!

;)

[Anon1974]

The author said what the author said. It's just one guy's opinion, but still you twist his words to try to make it something it's not, which is better on the 360.

Hundreds of times? Really? Still milking that lie?

And PS3 games always at lower resolutions? Really?
Maybe you should check out the actual facts sometime.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

Actual game resolutions and guess what? They don't support the lies you're spreading. Try harder.

Edit Below: I didn't deny that you were right about the resolution, I just voiced the same opinion as the author, resolution isn't everything. The PS3 version is locked at a lower resolution and looks better. What's so hard to understand about that? The 360 version can't handle the AA turned on that high so they up sample then down sample to blur things a bit instead of using the AA. It's a trick to try to make the 360 version look better, but it fails compared to the PS3 version. I didn't think this article was so confusing, but you make it apparent that some people just don't understand the specifics.

Edit again: You said "PS3 multiplats continue to be gimped at sub 360 resolutions!"
I provided a link that proved that's a lie. Get a grip. Read Digital Foundry's article about sub-HD on the 360. Happens all the time.

[commodore64]

Huh? Make stuff up?
Please stop lying about what i did or did not say.

I certainly did not say that ps3 games ALWAYS run at lower resolutions.. but it certainly does occur more often than one would like!

All i said was:

ps3 576p
360 720p

That's the gist of it.

The PS3 has shown us its limitations again.
Again, just the facts.

No need to spin it, spin boy.
I am starting to feel sorry for you, dude.
You are backed into a corner again and grasping at straws, even putting words into my mouth, like a sad fanboy desperado.

Tut-tut.
Get a grip.

[Anon1974]

If the PS3 suffers from such limitations and the 360's so much better, how come there isn't one game, not one, on the 360 that can graphically hold a candle to Heavy Rain, or Uncharted, or Killzone 2, or Uncharted 2, or what we've seen so far from God of War 3, or Gran Turismo...etc...etc...?

What's your answer for that? I've always wondered how you can believe the PS3 suffers from so many "limitations" when the mountain of evidence to the contrary continues to grow.

Do you just ignore it? Do you know it's there but pretend it doesn't exist? You must find it continually difficult to keep spewing the same nonsense when day by day the quality of PS3 games continues to leave 360 games behind.

Anyway, I'm going to have a tall glass of Sony juice and then maybe play Sam and Max on my 360 or take a crack at the MAG beta before bed. Cheers!

[commodore64]

It's sad to see you change the topic and talk about the only two games which really shine on the ps3.

Unfortunately, that's what the "mountain of evidence", which you talk about, boils down to. Two games.
The rest?

- Heavy Rain? Not out.
- GT5? Not out.
- God of war3? Not out.

Damn dude!
You keep talking about games that are not even out yet!

Quite honestly, the 360 also has some amazing exclusives, some coming out soon. Why not bring them up?
To say they 'don't hold a candle' to UC2 or KZ2 is just fanboy stupidity, from you, again.

I am waiting for the devs to invest the time and effort on dedicated first party 360 games, with the budgets that were available for KZ2, UC2. Fact is, Sony ensured that developers had the funding necessary to ensure those games shone - and they did.

However, Alan wake and Splinter Cell are looking very promising indeed. So too does Halo reach.
In fact, Halo reach is reportedly going to be built specifically to take advantage of the 360, on a dedicated and new engine, with funding to match, just like UC2 and KZ2.

That's a lot to look forward to, if one were to ever get sick of the 100+ multiplats that are just plain better on the 360.

I do hope you enjoy KZ2 and UC2.
Great games!

Just make sure you are stocked up on Sony Juice, because the PS3 multiplats will certainly leave you feeling hollow this christmas.

[fire23]

Commodore64 so your saying that no game for the 360 only took atleast 2 years and atleast 25-30 million since those are the stats for Uncharted 1/2

[Anon1974]

So, despite the massive previews, despite the videos, despite the hours of "hands on" these games have had at press events, you're just going to pretend they don't exist?
Is that about right?

I guess that answers my question. You're aware of them, you just choose to ignore.

And, despite people having played the games I mentioned, you mention several games that "look amazing" that hardly even have trailers out for them yet. No one has seen those titles, unlike the titles I mentioned.

And all it takes is one game to prove you wrong. Uncharted 2. There's nothing even close for visuals on the 360. If the PS3 suffers from so many "limitations," how can this be? All it takes is one game, one title to prove you wrong and it throws your whole argument out the window.

Hyping up games no one has even seen at this point just smacks of desperation. Any thinking gamer can see you lost this argument.

And, I'm sorry but you're going to have to help me out here. I know the 360 has some great exclusives - that's why I own one, but I must have missed those exclusives that had the graphics and physics of Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2. Where are these 360 exclusives that prove the 360 doesn't have the "limitations" the PS3 has. I'd love to play them someday!