I said it when they posted low PS3 numbers and I'll say it again now
VGcharts 'A fair proportion of the 550,000 PS3 buyers this week will be existing PS3 owners (especially in Japan) wanting to upgrade to the new machine, maybe 30-40% (as a rough guess), but the remainder will be new buyers'
I'm all for PS3 selling well, but when did VGChartz get accurate data....especially when they throw up numbers regarding who specifically traded in old ones for new ones "maybe 30-40% (as a rough guess)"...I'd say VERY rough.
What is more reliable is the fact that VG's numbers are always low when GUESSING PS3 sales
Vgchartz numbers are just rough estimates, probably they are playing safe providing a conservative number. I expect more than 600K slim sold. Just Japan is contributing with 150+K.
I think it is a decent indicator tho, and it looks like the price drop and the slim have really increased PS3 sales.
Doesnt surprise me as I got one even though I wasnt planing on it. now people are more likely to just decide to buy one on impulse now that its cheaper.
I also prefer the smaller version. I dont mind the features they took out since the 60gb(although BC would be nice) as I got what I wanted them to focus on since the beginning: A ps3 that plays blu-ray movies.
Seriously, you guys need to do some research before posting this stuff. VGChartz numbers have been pretty much spot on with NPD for the last 6 months now - why don't you actually look the figures up and see?
Yeah I see what you mean - no correlation between the two at all. In fact apart from the 50,000 difference on Wii (and many in the industry believe that NPD undertracked Wii for July) the numbers correlate perfectly.
And you can see the same, if not better, in previous months:
Also if you look, the software lines up almost perfectly as well.
Seriously, this misconception that VGChartz is a joke has to stop. They provide solid industry estimates for free that nearly always line up well with official data that is released.
You need to learn to read! The VGChartz projections are made BEFORE NPD comes out, just like the one they did this month. Then the NPD data comes out and matches up almost perfectly.
Then Fanboys on N4g claim that the site makes the data up because it doesn't show them what they want to see.
I don't want to flame you, but can we stop this sh*t.
They are not 'estimates', they are fake. End of story.
Fake. F A K E
There is no source for tracking sales data globally. Let alone on a weekly basis.
Are you guys so naive to think some kid running a website is get week retail tracking information from every country in Europe, South America, the Middle East, Asia, in addition to the US?
Honestly, do you?
This garbage should have been banned a long time ago. Even bringing up fake vgchartz numbers on most messageboards I frequent is something that will get you banded.
Also note that VGChartz have already said they think NPD will be higher on PS3 - maybe over 200,000 due to the leaked PS3 slims in the last week of August and the difficulty of tracking it accurately as it was only available at some retailers.
Check back when NPD is out in 30 mins and see how close they are...
Wow BMW you are SOOO misinformed. VGChartz has been PROVEN to ESTIMATE that system "A" sold "X" amount for date "Y" through date "Z" then when NPD comes out to confirm the ACTUAL sales they go back at a later date and re-adjust their numbers to make it seem as if they where "accurate" when you go back to compare sold #'s...just as you are doing.
You cant even comprehend what Im saying. I said, " A ps3 that plays blu-ray movies." As in playing PS3 GAMES and movies. You got all upset because you think I just want a ps3 for blu ray. I havent even watched one blu ray yet. I just dont care about all the pc like features on the ps3 as I have a computer already. I dont need a card reader, browser, other operating systems or 4 usb ports. I just want a system for ps3 games and blu ray movies. The only feature that I would have liked them to keep since the 60Gb that arnt in the slim is BC, but I didnt buy a ps3 to play ps2 games.
Im most likely more of a gamer than you, as I dont care what system I play games on. I dont care which one is perceived to be better by anyone as I am not committed to one or the other. Look at my profile If you wanna see all the game systems that I have owned, and I got them all for playing games.
Also note that VGChartz have already said they think NPD will be higher on PS3 - maybe over 200,000 due to the leaked PS3 slims in the last week of August and the difficulty of tracking it accurately as it was only available at some retailers."
Actual NPD:
PlayStation 2 105.9K PlayStation 3 210.0K PSP 140.3K Xbox 360 215.4K Wii 277.4K Nintendo DS 552.9K
PS2 - spot on PSP - spot on Wii - spot on (and higher than all analysts) 360 - spot on DS - low PS3 - low (but ~200 like I said and like VGC had said earlier).
Looks pretty damn good to me - for the third month in a row.
So VGChartz was closer than Pachter and EEDAR (two professional firms) and better than GAF (an average of about 100 industry followers and insiders) on everything but DS and PS3.
Not bad for a fake site making guesses.
Also remember that VGChartz put their data out BEFORE Pachter, EEDAR or GAF - so they can (and do) all look at VGC data for reference when making their predictions for the month.
The numbers are in! All I see here is VGChartz! Where are they in exactly; Some dudes imagination! The numbers aren't in till a legitimate source says they're in!
You can see he's a 360 fanboy when he starts talking about the speculative 30-40% of PS3 Slim sales are current PS3 owners. Did anybody stop to think that the PS3 phat's were also selling too? Not all of the sales are PS3 slim's. And I cant Imagine 200,000 PS3 owners rushing to buy the Slim especially seeing as how anyone who has a 60gb will bash and bash the Slim trying to make it look like an inferior product.
bmw69, you're hellbent on protecting VGchartz aren't you?
If you really want to defend it so bad, then tell us. How does VGchartz collect their numbers WORLDWIDE? How do they get numbers from the smaller countries in Europe? How do they get the numbers from Japan? How do they get numbers at all? As far as I know, NPD and even media crate collects their numbers from retailers. There's no such mention of this "VGchartz" collecting numbers from retailers.
Listen guys, let's all get rational for a second here. It's obvious from bmw's post that VGChartz actualy post more or less accurate numbers. What is there to argue? The proof is right in front of our eyes.
Can any of you post something that contradict the VGChartz numbers? How do you guys know it's fake?
@ above ~ As the saying goes "Even a broken clock is right twice a day"...Just because they got it "right" this time does not mean they are accurate every/all the time. As I said they adjust their "numbers" at a later date to reflect the correct numbers in an effort to SEEM like they where right in the past but were not.
Read this in FULL (not just pieces) while paying close attention to "Where's the Beef" and the "conclusion"
Dude get over it... First off all VGChartz does is guess and I don't call being a few thousand off close... Anyone can guess around a few thousand, damn! All you have to do is look at previous months data to come up with a close estimate of next months unless there is a huge shift in demand, which there was. Funny how VGChartz did not come even close on their estimate for PS3 on August, they just said they expected NPD to be higher on the PS3. WELL NO CRAP! All they are doing is saying, "we don't know what the PS3 numbers will be but lets guess low and say we expect them to be higher in case they are higher". If they can't estimate more than the status quo, then why should we trust them?
bmw69, no professional website does guessing. That just is not how things work. These people did not go to college, they are not even close to being analysts. The site is fail and how the hell can you even defend them with their August PS3 estimate and a blanket statement?
We all know that VGchartz will never show completely accurate numbers and because of the speed they report numbers (compared to NPD) this is not even possible.
VGchartz works the same as exit polls do in an election. These polls give us an early indication of who won the race between the 360, PS3, and wii with a (ROUGH) estimation by what percent. This is a very useful tool to resellers who want an early advantage before the concrete data (NPD) is released.
As far of the trend on this site to hate VGchartz and the people that look at its data; get over yourselves.
Why is it that NPD is all that matters? from my understanding the numbers they gather do not include wal-mart. How are those any more accurate then those by VGcharts? If you gather numbers but do not have the sales number for arguably the biggest store franchise in the U.S. how can those be called accurate? just like VG, NPD is an estimated guess. The only time we get pretty accurate numbers are during E3, Leipzig and TGS when the big 3 talk sales figures.
the NPD to look at is the september NPD, not august. August NPD is going to arrive in a few days from now, while September NPD will be shown in October.
estimates the wallmart sales and adds them to their other concrete numbers. The NPD comes out today I think, and it will include some of the pricecut and slim sales considering I got my slim on august 29, and I know they were selling them before sept. 1st.
I think that sept will be a huge month for sony, but August should also have a small boost since the pricecut and slim were sold at the end of AUG.
you must be on crack if you think wallmart is where many people go to get ps3s.
How I'm I on crack for thinking walmart might play bigger role. Wal-mart might not be used for a majority of game sales in big cities like New York, L.A., Chicago and such but there is a big part of the country where Wal-mart is where it's at. Even in some places in California Frenso and Modesto you might not see a best buys or Gamestop around but the one thing that is near most cities is a wal-mart. The point I was trying to make is just like VG charts uses estimates to conclude a certain sales number NPD does the same.
It doesn't really matter what numbers you guess and plug in the end thats all Vg charts and NPD are. Guesses. Until there is a firm that can gather sales numbers from 98% of all major and sub-major outlets all you will ever get is estimates and guess. VGcharts and NPD provide you and all other people with the same basic formula. Gather what we know, estimate what we don't and then fix those number when we know we are wrong. Both NPD and VGcharts are off on sales numbers by nice chunk. The only reason why VG gets a bad rep is because they run a free always open site. So anybody can just go to the website and see real-time correction. With NPD there is a fee so the chances of catching real-time fixes are not as likely. If VG's website was runned like NPD there wouldn't be such a big uproar about their numbers cause we'd only see them 1 once a month and never see corrections made.
I know how many slim PS3 has sold in UK(40k), JP(150k) and FR(37k). And I know that US starts selling Slim since August 24, which means major sales of NPD August sale comes from Slim version. From that, I can estimate how many consoles would've sold in the first week of September in US (Second week of Slim version for US). Then I can add up the rest of the world such as AU, ESP, and etc, which is a safe guess.
At least safer than VG. Edit: My bad, I mean "more safe"
Please don't insult NPD by throwing them in with VGChartz! At least NPD calls somewhere at sometime! They're sales reports are actually bought by big companies; I doubt they would pay for some guy in his mom's basement's guesses!
And they don't throw in flamebait opinions for good measure!
I like how he said 30-40% are previsous ps3 owner who traded there 80gig for the slim model. I'm not saying there's not people not trading there fat for a slim, but where are he getting his numbers from?
It could be people that recently got the model only to want to exchange it for the Slim. Remember there was a Bestbuy article about this, and to avoid having to take in a return, they instead offered a free game deal.
So that number, 30-40%. How do we know it applies to the previous total of PS3 userbase, or if it applies to recent owners within the past few weeks?
Does anybody who bought a Slim, remember taking the VGChartz poll at every retail store in the whole world, that asks if you previously owned a PS3 Phat?
These numbers are definitely proven as fact. It's been widely assumed that each and every owner who has any piece of electronics has been waiting for the opportunity to accompany PLAYSTATION®3 in their homes. When you have a product that only does everything, it's very difficult to ignore it's presence and even more difficult to resist the temptation of owning one.
In the course of one month. PS3 has sold more units than Xbox 360 has this entire year. Microsoft will surely create some makeshift numbers and create more lies and spin to cover the fact that their system is on a rapid and sharp decline and will embark it's inevitable death.
You claim to be a gamer, but your posting history is littered with arguments about sales, focusing on one quarter and pretending that it's a trend that spans a year and simply making things up. Anyone who wants to can view your posting history and see it's true.
Not really fair to criticize other gamers, who simply have a passion for the industry, for discussing the same things.
I am wondering how come it is that you keep quoting my posting history, darkride66?
Is the rumour true that you are an obsessed nutjob stalking me, because i called you out once too often?
Time to get over it, dude. Even the mods on n4g are able to observe that you simply haven't got anything useful left to say, except to stalk and damage control my posts!
on topic: My comment about gamers playing sales, was a direct rebuttal to the months and months of ps3 fans making similar comments when the 360 was outselling the ps3. It was a direct observation about the irony of ps3 fanboy's flip-flopping.
sound familiar, darkie? It should,because you have been making similar comments, while now rejoicing in the spike of ps3 slim sales.
"Be a gamer, not a hater'
uh-oh. Did i manage to call you out AGAIN? Slow down, old boy. Don't have a heart attack!
even if they are low-class, sh!t brained, monkey-like retarded entities, they're still really funny when they are in delusional mode and start to praise Halo as if it is more important in videogame history than Mario
Sadly... they will be in the PSN now... that's the only thing i really regret about the price cut... you know? I dont want to play with them... but unfortunately i will have to... all of us will have...
Waaaa? Why is VGChartz being used for news?
Well, anyway...
"But but but but the Slim and a price drop won't matter for Sony"
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then I can safely guess.
I like how he said 30-40% are previsous ps3 owner who traded there 80gig for the slim model. I'm not saying there's not people not trading there fat for a slim, but where are he getting his numbers from?
That is all.