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Neocrisis: Exploitation of the Contributers by N4G

Neocrisis: N4G over the years has grown into a incredibly prosperous and successful site, This is due to the excellent work of the community which brings forth the content that drives the visitation to the site every day, and it is well known that this site now makes hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in advertising revenue for its owners and the staff and contributors.

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Zhuk5769d ago

I wrote this article and I was lucky enough to get it approved for hosting at Neocrisis, many thanks to the admins there.

I think this is an issue which N4G members of all sides can get behind, be you an Xbox 360 enthusiast or even a fandroid.

Our hardest working contributors deserve to get better compensation for their efforts which have made the people who run N4G a lot of money over the years as the site has gained in popularity while the contributers are still given the same monthly compensation which now is only a tiny fraction of what N4G earns every month.

This has gone on too long and it is time for us to ensure that our best contributors are treated the way they deserve to be for being the driving force behind this site's success and continued generation of wealth.

TheColbertinator5769d ago

I agree Zhuk.N4G is now extremely profitable and top contributors could certainly be compensated better than before.

Sunny_D5769d ago

Lol, this is probably going to get taken off by the owner... lol

nightelfmohawk5769d ago (Edited 5769d ago )

I honestly don't care how much money N4G makes. What I probably love about this site more than anything else is that unlike the Nazi moderators over at Gamefaqs and Gamespot who have their heads so far up their corporate asses, freedom of speech is pretty respected here within reasonable limits.

The moderators on Gamefaqs and Gamespot are corporate douche bags that only care about moderating offensive posts that might upset their sponsors, which means no one can give their real opinions without being warned, suspended, or banned for bull**** reasons.

I love the community here on N4G much more than those two sites, so I will continue to come here.

Rhythmattic5769d ago (Edited 5769d ago )

Zhuk

"I think this is an issue which N4G members of all sides can get behind, be you an Xbox 360 enthusiast or even a fandroid. "

A perfect comment. Thanks for your trivial input.

PS: So where the F did the Droid thing come from , Anyway ?
The Sony Faithful call the Xbox loving type Xbots.... It sort of works.... But the Xbox faithful call PS3 users droids?
WTF, its like the most menial comeback ever....

Zeevious5769d ago (Edited 5769d ago )

How is this exploitation?

Every one of the contributors here...including myself, are aware that we're spending this time for free. This is no different than any other similar community site.

How much, EXACTLY did you get paid by Neocrisis...and you didn't just add a LINK to someone else's article...YOU WROTE IT.

You where paid nothing -- That alone invalidates your very argument.

The truth that we should be discussing here is YOUR BIAS & Exploitation of the community here.

Your motivation is what the subject should be...from your eternal bias & idiotic assault on half the gamers here just because they own a different console than you deem is worthy...to your constant, incessant FANBRAT whining.

YOU ZHUK are the problem with this site...NOT contributors not making enough -- or your ill-informed narrow view of the 360 being the ultimate console to worship in your gaming universe.

The problem with this site is moderation...not actually PAYING contributors for their freely volunteered time.

Your problem is your long, & distinctly disappointing, pathetic history as one of the top fanbrats on this site.
http://n4g.com/up/11985/com...

That undistinguished 'honor' wasn't enough for you was it?
You chose to take your bias out on the site itself, under the very feeble pretense of concern over the contributors.

How much concern have you shown for anyone here, or the very contributors you now claim to be so concerned about when calling them:

The average Sony fandroid undoubtedly has the cranial capacity of a small bird...
http://n4g.com/RedirectToOb...

The most hilarious thing is that none of the droids are arguing that the PS3 should be ahead of the Xbox 360...
http://n4g.com/RedirectToOb...

The PS3 is dying fandroids, and its because of the PS3's inferior architecture and Sony's inherent inability to provide games that people actually want to play for the system.
http://n4g.com/RedirectToOb...

With sales collapsing and consumer interest all but gone, the PS3 is finally on its last legs as a console and will be relegated to the bargain bins by the end of this year.
http://n4g.com/RedirectToOb...

Accept defeat fandroids, PS3 is sinking, so is GT.
http://n4g.com/RedirectToOb...

...and of most interesting importance :
You posted this as a blog HERE first...THEN had Neocrisis post this same biased nonsense as an "unknown" contributor...just to attack the site you now realize has grown beyond you and your Fanbrat nonsense.
http://n4g.com/up/11985/Blo...

We're all tired of you and your type. It's why most of your kind now have a bubble or two at the most.

If you missed it -- WE ARE TIRED OF YOU...and attacking the site & owners themselves won't change the fact that YOU . . . Y O U - Z H U K are the problem here.

You are what needs to be moderated.
You are what needs to be banned to the open zone or entirely.
You are the very reason this site is community driven, so you and your fellow Fanbrats can simply be shut up, and we can get on with the News 4 Gamers this site is all about.

Can more be done moderating contributors & anyone like you? YES!
Should more be done focusing more on ending posts of the same 59 articles & stupid blogs like YOURS from getting posted with EXPLOITIVE titles...like YOURS? YES!

There needs to be better moderation & oversight of Fanbrats like you, your bias, your negative effect on the community, and your consistent assault on fellow gamers.

By fellow gamers, let me be clear : I mean MY fellow gamers, 360, PS3, Wii & classic consoles alike...NOT YOU.

You have made it clear your agenda here is NOT GAMING...NOT THE COMMUNITY...NOT ANYTHING but your stupidly narrow pro-ConsoleX demands that we all worship with you at the same 'gaming' altar you pray will someday make your d!ck the size of a real mans.

Crude? Juvenile? Blunt?

YES...but Isn't that what you're used to...
...and from your treatment of the Community, Staff and now your contrived attack on this very site...It's all you deserve.

Zeevious5768d ago (Edited 5768d ago )

( - it is too a word - )

So...Why am I thanking you?

Because, by Disagreeing without posting a single comment you confirm and concede every single point made here about Zhuk, his intentions, and you validate he is absolutely not a gamer.

Zhuk, in fact is like others of his kind...embarrassing to fellow gamers on EVERY platform...and you couldn't say ONE SINGLE thing to dispute that fact...or any single fact above.

Thank you so very much . . .
If it weren't for spineless cowards like you, who can't even come up with a single reply...we'd have even more of the Fanbrat ravings of Zhuk and his kind.

I'd invite you to stand up and take a cowardly bow for us. . .
. . . but how could you . . . without that spine?

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jazzking20015769d ago

Its American to SUE
so start sueing lol

NexGen5769d ago

If the contributors aren't happy with the terms of compensation, then by all means, they don't have to contribute. There is also nothing stopping them from creating their own site, in similar fashion to N4G.

When contributing, people are made aware of compensation, if any. Again, no one is forcing them to contribute...and to be honest, I am really surprised contributors make any money at all.

This is the information age...these contributors, if paid, are just brokering information that was obtained from other sources anyhow. Who says the middle man should deserve a cut of the money? The site owners should, both for site maintenance and advertising revenue...but I don't see how people deserve to get paid for finding a source that was not their own.

And besides, most people want to be "FIRST!!!1!!1" and will find the information anyhow, should a contributor not be there with it first.

SnuggleBandit5769d ago

ya i always have wondered what bloodmask's motivation is

kingme715769d ago

If it is American to sue, what nationality is it that whines and cries about how someone else runs a business that they are not a part of?

Montrealien5769d ago

am I the only one that is curious about this (well known fact)? Where have N4G`s financial information been discussed before? I would be curious to read up on it also.

pharmd5769d ago

theres numerous sites that do nothing but profit from contributed links, dont be jealous because you arent!!!!

Game13a13y5769d ago (Edited 5769d ago )

for examples:
Nike exploited child labor
McDonald's dollar menu killed off small burger joints
Best Buy, Targets, Wal-Mart,etc... monopolizing the retail markets
this is how their economy works, big company gain growth by killing the small...

Armyless5769d ago

Competition... THAT'S the American Way.

Captain Tuttle5769d ago (Edited 5769d ago )

Armyless nailed it. Have some balls and start your own.

JokesOnYou5769d ago (Edited 5769d ago )

I know I would like to see more sites "like n4g" but with better mods who actually monitor the site CONSISTENTLY and with a "fair" system where everyone has equal say no matter what their preference is.

I think its a tough position for any moderator (whats opinion, freedom of speech vs fanboyism, flamebait, trolling) but with consistency and actually having enough staff to be "involved" full time then it can be done, currently the voting/bubble system is flawed...not because its a bad system under the guidelines, but because like many other aspects of this site it is abused. Random members, myself included should have NO say in how much I or anybody else comments, a group of fair and balanced mod's are needed to delete posts, and determine whether someone is not following the guidelines, because there are waaay too many who are too immature to simply disagree with you but would rather play censor(take bubbles) from you because they don't agree with your thinking, imo having the "option" to ignore me is plenty...don't like my history, you always disagree with what I say, you think I never add anything to the subject, simply click on "ignore" and you'll never see my post.

I definitely would like to see financial reports of n4g, I think thats only fair for a site who's revenue is generated by the work of its contributors...why not?, everything else is reported on this site.

End Rant.

JOY

Sarcasm5769d ago

You really have to question someone who'd rather sit on a computer all day searching video game articles for a measly $500 a month.

bjornbear5768d ago

....i don't contribute but i give credit to those who do! N4G you should too!"

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Christopher5769d ago (Edited 5769d ago )

So... your argument is that 5% isn't enough for the top contributor to make, but 10% is enough even though they're still doing 99% of the work?

Look, it's a benefit of coming up with a good idea. The people who created and still manage the site get the money. On the plus side, they actually compensate the top contributors, unlike other sites. Look at IGN's Vault Network. The only time one of them is getting paid is if the publisher for a game is giving IGN money to keep a portal going or as a source of advertisement. Otherwise, they're all volunteers who are lucky to get invites to E3, if at all, and I'm not talking full paid invites, either.

So, honestly, the site has its use, and people enjoy it and if you contribute enough you can make some money doing what you like to do.

Seems like a win-win situation to me.

Edit: At current and future disagreers - if you disagree with the way the site is run, why are you still here then? If you're here, it's obvious that the site is doing something right. Last time I checked, people don't create gaming Web sites to make money for the people who visit, but for themselves. Oh, and to spread gaming news.

Polluted5769d ago

I hear ya man. Just prepare for a deluge of disagrees. People around here aren't happy if they don't have something to whine about. I mean they could go contribute over at digg or reddit or something where revenues are higher than anything N4G's ever likely to see and nobody who contributes ever gets paid, but it's more fun to cry on N4G I guess.

Oh and lets ignore all those tiny little blog owners who use N4G and eye catching headlines to drive insane amounts of traffic to their crappy little sites. Forget the fact that N4G is meant to be a fun spot to talk games and extend your e-peen if you're a contributor. It's more fun to whine and cry.

Statix5769d ago (Edited 5769d ago )

I'm surprised this news story hasn't been banned or removed by N4G staff yet. Kind of makes you wonder if the owners of N4G even look at the content that's being posted on their own site.

Polluted5769d ago

@Statix: They know it's here. There's a forum thread going on right now that some of the N4G staff have even posted in. Fortunately they're choosing to let the community discuss the matter rather than trying to censor things.

Give it a couple of hours and everyone should be back to hating on EA or Activision or Valve or their truck drivin' neighbors or whatever it is we're supposed to hate this week.

Tomonobu Itagaki5769d ago (Edited 5769d ago )

Statix: Just see any news related to PS3 vs 360, PS3 is doomed or 360 is winning, the number of "open zone" comments in the gamer zone proves admins strictly don't care about their community. Moderating? Rules? Wtf is that?

Even i, i deliberately do heavy biased comments and i got 8 bubbles. As if it was normal to see trolling in an area considered as neutral.

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Saaking5769d ago

I agree, for example Bloodmask and Cryrus365 contribute a TON of articles yet they only get 500 and 300? The should get more giving the fact that it's people like these keeping the site alive. So yes, they should get more; however, you also have to take into account that they know what they're getting so in the end it's their choice.

Saaking5769d ago

I like N4G, it's fun and yes, I think contributors should get more especially the top 10 who work hard. Yes, all they do is get stories that are written by someone else, but look at bloodmask for example. Over 30,000 stories submitted. I mean, without the contributors this site would not have as many articles as it does. Contributors deserve more and like I said, especially the Top 10.

NexGen5769d ago

Bloodmask sounds like a well informed enthusiast then, and that is awesome. But to say it simply, if he, or other contributors don't like it, there's no reason they couldn't come up with their own gaming site, filled with their own content.

I'm sure his site would be great, filled with lots of content. I'm also sure that if contributors wanted to do so, they would.

If I don't like the terms, I don't go through with the actions, or my work. It is that simple.

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Playdead co-founder slammed with lawsuit as bitter row with co-founder escalates

Playdead co-founder Dino Patti is allegedly being sued by his former studio and business partner.
Patti was threatened with a lawsuit earlier this year after he posted a now-deleted LinkedIn post that shared an "unauthorized" picture of co-founder Arnt Jensen and discussed some of Limbo's development. Patti said Jensen demanded a little over $73,000 in "suitable compensation and reimbursement," adding that he had "repeatedly" had such letters over the last nine years.

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Josh Sawyer: "I feel good about the ability for people to create games."

Game Pressure met with the one and only Josh Sawyer at Digital Dragons and chatted about RPGs, Pentiment, Pillars of Eternity, the state of the industry, and the genre.

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The Real Enemy of Gaming Isn’t DEI. It’s the CEO

From Horse Armor to Mass Layoffs: The Price of Greed in Gaming. Inside the decades-long war on game workers and the players who defend them.

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jambola12d ago

maybe a real enemy is people who use terms like "the real enemy"
there can be more than 1 bad thing, t's not like a kids show with 1 big bad

senorfartcushion11d ago

This is very much a “dummy who volunteers themselves to the middle” comment.

The real enemy is a common phrase, people use it all the time.

Calm down.

jambola10d ago

i'm very calm
you seem very upset however

Notellin10d ago

You don't seem calm at all. Don't take this so seriously, you seem desperate responding to others defending your opinion that lacks any value or critical thought.

jambola10d ago

stop projecting
i'm not desperately dong anything, i'm tapping at keys on my keyboard bud

PapaBop10d ago

It's not like kids show with one bad guy? I present to you.. Bobby Kotick

ABizzel110d ago (Edited 10d ago )

DEI was never the problem and it was an ignorant take to begin with.

DEI is why games like Kena Bridge of Spirits, South of Midnight, and Ghost of Tsushima exist.

DEI is why we have a huge resurgence in Japanese, Chineses, and Korean developers producing games like Stellar Blade, Black Myth, and why Nintendo & Sony exist.

DEI is why more and more games have HUGE accessibility options with both Sony and MS fully behind this.

DEI was never a bad thing, the entire purpose of DEI is representation of all people, genders, disabilities, etc…

The problem was people used DEI as a default derogatory term to describe what they believed was forced representation, which allowed colorist, racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, and xenophobic fools to run away with the negative DEI narrative.

jambola9d ago

you don't get to decide other people's motivations
sorry to break it to you

ABizzel19d ago (Edited 8d ago )

To each their own, however, nothing you said invalidates why some people take offense to DEI incorrectly.

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Sciurus_vulgaris12d ago

Executives seem to often have an obsession with perpetual revenue growth. There is always a finite amount of consumers for a product regardless of growth. Additionally, over investment is another serious issue in gaming.

Killer2020UK10d ago

The fact that they also rarely have any real expertise in game development compounds things. They'll look at what's been successful elsewhere, lack the knowledge to properly understand why they have been successful and then force a team to 'reproduce' their badly interpreted idea of that success.

We see it so often with sequels to games that were successful too. The team are left well alone, they have a break through hit and all of sudden the money men descend on the IP and completely railroad the dev team's ideas. Usually winds up being 'make the same game but MORE'

LoveSpuds10d ago

This is true throughout all of the corporate and public sector organisations to be honest. CEO's generally move amongst the corporate world without any need to have experience of a particular industry, they simply need to rely on their senior leadership credentials. A CEO of a retail giant will just as easily transition to a CEO role in the energy sector for example.

Not defending CEOs here to be clear, I think it's a huge part of the reason the western world is so fucked up. CEOs don't need to care about the sector they work in, in fact it's better if they don't care if they want to screw everyone to make profits.

GhostScholar10d ago

Companies don’t hire executives to break even. If the goal is breaking even then why start the company in the first place.

Soy10d ago

That's understood; it's getting record profits and expecting to always beat those record profits, and seeing anything less as a total failure. Then they lay people off and raise prices to reach those record profit levels again, just to sate shareholders. It's setting expectations way too high just to spike share prices, then inevitably falling short. It's feeling entitled to being more successful than everyone else. It's the CEOs doing all this to boost their own bonuses.

ABizzel110d ago

Growth benefits the company’s profits and therefore the company’s stock if publicly traded, which pleases the shareholders making them more and more rich, which is why Growth is always at the forefront of the vast majority of any publicly traded company.

More growth = More Money and the people at the top want all the money they can get. I can’t really blame them anyone would love to see their profits go from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands, to multi-millions it’s almost like a gambling addiction.

But it also goes to show someone how morals can go out the window for a lot of these people, and how amazing some CEOs are when they catch this early and provide a balance solution that takes complete care of their employees across the board while keeping the business sustainable IE: Insomniac Games ALWAYS on the best places to work list. The rest of the industry could learn.

jambola12d ago

honestly, the "real" enemy of gaming, is ourselves
if nobody bought horse armor, shitty dlc would have died almost overnight
if we stood firm and nobody bought games from companies that were bad with layoffs, it would be solved
we're the idiots supporting awful business practices, we are the ones enouraging it

TiredGamer11d ago

I think the reality that we don't want to convince ourselves of is that without the rise of "horse armor" and DLC, game budgets would have essentially stagnated (smaller teams/smaller games), or game prices would have risen much more dramatically than they have. There was an incessant drive for bigger worlds, infinite detail, and hundreds of hours of "gameplay" over the last two decades, that while perhaps a natural evolution of things, needed a suitable funding stream to accomplish.

HyperMoused10d ago

What...CEOs make tens of millions and that doesnt include SLT etc etc...we now have multiple editions of games, in game currency, MT's, battle passes.....and what do we get..worse game than what was coming out 20 years ago....dont drink the cool aid, its this nickel and dime crap that is absolutely leading us to gaming destruction.

senorfartcushion11d ago

This is the worst possible answer to this conundrum. Blaming the masses is blaming the only people who are constantly “told” to buy.

Consumers are the only ones not to blame here. People make their own choices all the time. Disney movies are bombing and DEInis being blamed. Has that been enough to put Disney out of business? No and it never will.

Christopher11d ago

Disagree. Businesses are able to do what they do because people are bad consumers and don't think critically about purchases. Disney got away with doing shit stuff for years and it's just the last year where people got tired of it. It's not like it didn't work for 5 years or so for Disney to do the things they've done. They'll just move onto another way to get people to see movies and it will be just as bad but more profitable until people wake up and realize it.

TiredGamer10d ago

Consumerism drives business behavior. It's not so much "blaming" as it is observing behavior. The point I'm making is that the direction that games have gone are driven by the spending. Consumers are spending on DLC and they are driving the expectation of more glitz and padded out (lengthier) games. If they continue to pay, they will continue to drive that direction until a threshold is reached that forces a change in behavior.

senorfartcushion10d ago

Corporate advertising is the most powerful force on the planet.

This is N4G for god sake, every day there are arguments between people who are Team Xbox and Team PlayStation because they’ve been convinced that having an identity built on paying money to Sony and Microsoft matters more than having one as individual gamers who can play whatever they want.

And THEN we get to the corporate advertising part: to play whatever you want is to sink MORE into the advertising pits, making it so that you can more than one specific product.

jambola10d ago

ah you're right
they were told to buy it, it's clearly impossible to avoid that
if enough people stopped supporting, it would stop
disney not stopping would only be because enough people didn't stop

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victorMaje11d ago

Agreed. I’ve been saying for years, announce you won’t be buying the upcoming game because of the practices of the previous game, then you only have to stick to your guns once, see how quickly things change for the better.

We have to unite in what we shouldn’t purchase.

jambola10d ago

just imagine a world, fifa came out worse, nobody buys the next one until they see proof it's better and stick to it
or games being forced online for single player and nobody buys it
things would change so fast

HyperMoused10d ago

Just like scooby doo, you have shown us the real monsters are us

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Inverno11d ago

Greed and greedy people have and always will be the main issue for everything wrong in the world. Everything is a product to be exploited for monetary gain. Even when there are things that could help progress us along for the sake of making our lives easier that thing must be exploited for monetary gains. Anything that tells you otherwise is propaganda to make you complicit.

coolfool11d ago

I've never thought "DEI" (although the way most people use it doesn't match it's real definition) is the problem with games. Good games have continued to be good when they have a diverse cast, and likewise, bad games have continued to be bad. There isn't a credible example I've seen where a diverse cast has been the direct cause of a game being bad.

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