High-Res Tekken 6 Screenshots

These are from the E3 teaser movie, though most you have seen some of these before CVG posted them today so I guess these are of a better quality than the previous ones.

[Wotbot]

Not too sure about the graphics. Some pic's look good with the shadowing and others look all right, nothing special.

Need to see more

[da 36]

we got them this time these screen shots are a$$.

[Gamer13]

Graphics are no better than DOA 4.

[bernie]

At least DOA4 screens were taken from actual gameplay, these are from the "Hi-res" trailer, god knows what the actual game looks like.

[MONTY 187]

they look worse to me!!

[da 36]

it should'nt look this bad considering how good it looked at E3 how are they going backwards. Is this game coming out on xbox1?

[jib]

i think they're gameplay. i actually liked tekken. these screenshots disappoint me

[da 36]

for what? blueray? graphics?

[Gamer13]

Taken 6 was at E3 2005 and the trailer they show to us was not ingame, now its 1 year later and this is all they can show us - screenshots that looks worse than DOA 4, but they might make big improvements before it comes out-hopefully.

This is a link to DOA 4 ingame Screenshots.
http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox...

[INCINERATE]

i love tekken but to me it looks like ps2 graphics....

[da 36]

makes me wonder how killzone is going to look.

[OutLaw]

They took that pathetic movie and made screen shots of it. Show me something new not this. Yeah I see hope for Sony.

[Marriot VP]

good to see I'm not the only one who think the trailer shots are poor quality graphics.

Is this a launch title?

[Anerythristic26]

This graphics are poor. I will say one thing they do look early. I also find it strange that when we are shown CG the PS3 fans are saying " behold , true next gen graphics." buut when we see these poor examples not a peep. It sort of ruins their credibility.

[BIadestarX]

This better be a Tekken 6 version for the PS2. If these are PS3 graphics the possibility of me buying a PS3 went from 40% to 20%.

[Bishop]

I will agree that the graphics look bad but this games is only between 20-40% complete thus far so I wouldn't be so quick to accept that this actually what the game will look like as of yet and if it is it will be a disappointment. However I don't imagine it will be anymore of a disappointment as the DOA4 was for me.

The reason most PS3 fans haven't said much about this game is because we know that this is still a good way from completion and the last thing that the developers usually do is tweak the graphics. So what till the game is actually out to make a judgment. Also this is not new screenshots they look to be the exacter same screen shots that were on the playable demo at E3. So imagine these shoots are actually worse then what the game currently looks like.

[da 36]

It looked better at E3 that was earlier.

[The Real Deal]

Why do the ps3 games have so much jaggies and why are the textures so dull? There is only a few months to go till launch. I'm confused. Why show screen shots if the game isn't ready to show? You won't see screen shots of Halo 3 untill they are ready to show it off. Games for the xbox 360 that aren't done or out yet when they show screen shot it looks spectacular. Prey, Gears of War, Two worlds, Mass Effect, and on and on. Sony needs to show somthing soon that wows us so we can get excited. Does anyone know if the ps3 does anti aliasing? If it doesn't...I will definately not be getting a ps3. I don't want jaggies for 600 dollars. Hd detailed jaggies is not my cup of tea. No way. Please SONY...stop showing screen shots that lead us to believe the games don't compare to the xbox 360. Because if they don't look as good at launch that will hurt Sony coming out a year later and not being as impressive as the 360. Ps2 had the excuse that they came out before the original xbox so thats why the xbox look noticably better. But this time around they have no excuse.

[da 36]

these screen shots are trash.

[TheMART]

So another sh*tty PSZero game.

Tell my fanboys, how much more bad games do you want in the launch window?

360's launch up was so damn good compared to all this

[da 36]

why support a company that constantly lie. is it about being a fan of sony and hating ms or about being a fan of games. for one I can't spend 600.00 for a system I not sure about who say one thing and show another.

[sparco]

Soz people but i have to say it. That is poor. Have sony been over hyping the ps3? Or is too early to say that? Is that actual gameplay in the Hi-Res movie or was it just pre-rendered? Cos whatever that is, its pretty sh*te tbh. Im sure it will improve as it gets further into development though. It's early days still. Im a Microsft fan btw; see how civilised some of us can be? lol

[da 36]

they will look better but never like it did at E3 and might not look too much better than this.

[sparco]

Who ever said it looks like DOA4, please take another look at those screens, Tekken6 looks far worse.

[da 36]

they wish it can look like DOA4 for 600.00 thats sad.

[da 36]

where is gaytime, ssj, and all the other sony f@gboys talking about xbox1.5 where they at this should have 200 comments by now.

[pRo loGic II]

This is a joke this can't be the way the games gonna look Sony will surprize everbody at launch. This game looks like a cross of N64 and PS2.

[da 36]

thats why its taking them so long to launch. they have been working on this game for awhile it should look better than this and where are the sony fangirls.

[Cyclonus]

wheres all the sweat, detail etc from the "Real Time" trailer with the guy posing an flexing his muscles?

Oh thats right, it was CG MOVIES, just like every ps3 game that looks halfway good.

Is this the mighty 'Sell' processor at work? RSX?

Garbage.

[da 36]

can someone call lametime and tell him sony is getting hammered please. let the good times roll.

[da 36]

how dare they post these childish graphics. 600.00 hundred dollars these should look like gold even though I knew x would out clash them where are the graphics and fans not the cgi clips and f@gboys?

[shoota33]

It is really ridiculous how xbots feel so jelous and come to bash the ps3 every day.you idiots will be in for a suprise when ps3 overshadows xflop in november and no one will even be talking about it.so enjoy your dreamcast 360 for now because MS will be coming out with xbox 2.5 late 2007 due to the failure of xbox 1.5

[da 36]

a man these screen shots look awsome man I guess you were right HAHAHA the bs3 is going down and you with it when it launch I be there laughing.HAHA.

[PS360PCROCKS]

I hope your ps3 malfunctions and burns you alive in your house, because your such a total jackas*

[COVER GIRL]

http://www.ukresistance.co.... whoops!

[da 36]

who in their right mind would buy trash for $600.00. Or anything gaytime would buy.

[shoota33]

the game is not done you idiot and these screenS are old i have seen them a while ago.

[da 36]

awhile ago are you refering to E3 f@gboy?

[shotty]

Look at Halo 3 it's not done and it looks beautiful. Hell even look at Lost planet we got a demo of that game 1 year before it's release (It's scheduled for sprinf 2007) and that game beat every ps3 game I saw at E3. Stop saying that the game isn't near completion that what launch is in a few months and no games are done. Halo 3 is 1.5 years away and they are single and multiplayer testing. And remember the ps3 was originally supposed to launch last spring 2006 so the games should actually be further down that what you claim. The most logical explanation is the ps3 can't push out visuals that looks better not even match the xbox 360.

[COVER GIRL]

http://www.ukresistance.co....

[da 36]

good one covergirl HAHA. thats funny.

[COVER GIRL]

PISS POOR PS2.5 garbage. We will see this November is right!!!...

[shoota33]

WHY WOULD I GO FOR AN XBOX 1.5 PIECE OF SH!T WHEN I CAN GET THE BEST GAMING CONSOLE EVER WITH ALOT MORE FEATURE AND MORE POWERFUL THAN XFLOP 1.5

[da 36]

look at your graphics retard wheres the power shametime wheres the 600 flametime?

[shoota33]

We will see the power Soon dont worry about that.MGS4 looks better than any of the crap on your piece of sh!t sorry excuse for a next gen console xflop 1.5.xbox 360 is bringing nothing new to the table but better graphics and you cant prove me wrong because i am right.

[da 36]

you weren't lying when you said better graphics flametime better than that bs3 g@ystation for sony h0m0 f@gboys.

[shoota33]

better graphics than xbox not ps3 because ps3 is more powerful you dont like it too bad.

[da 36]

did you look at those screen shots those childish screen shots lametime

[schnodder]

gametime ... you're funny.

[COVER GIRL]

Sony's good at fooling idiots in thinking their games are off the hook, why would they change a system that works. bullet witch looks as good as MGS4...

[shoota33]

i guess they fooled over 100 million ps2 fan right? MS is still getting outsold by ps2 which tells you everyone but die hard xbox idiots can see the console is complete crap.

[da 36]

you still talking ps2 man! what happen to the bs3? their trash thats what happen.

[shoota33]

If it is so trash why is everyone waiting for ps3 then?

[da 36]

everybody I know has a 360 and they all know that the bs3 is in trouble these screen shots won't surprise them and wait till they see it so we all can lol gaytime.

[PS360PCROCKS]

"if it is trash than why is everyone waiting for the ps3 than" lol because Sony delayed it duh

[COVER GIRL]

And you could'nt convince people 500 years ago that the world was round, what's you're point?.

[COVER GIRL]

The game still looks like a PS2 game so i guess 100 million people still like the PS2...

[shoota33]

Too human looks like a ps1 game i would not talk if i was you.

[da 36]

you must be a crack head that stole a computer

[COVER GIRL]

Check out the link posted on #23, that's the future of PS3. PERIOD!. This is Sony's method of marketing their console's always has and always will be.

[da 36]

Just look at your screenshots thats fact its not my opion sony sucks what do you want me to say checkout those screenshots their yours.

[Eternal E 808]

your the fanboy talkin like were the fanboys,i dont post at all but when you see a PS fan still trying to cover up on things that we all knew was coming,you was just brain washed by sony with all the Pre-rendered stuff they kept showing and now that you have nothing to say but wait till it comes out/why? theres to much proof that the PS3 is a flop and to say that the 360 is a flop is just to funny because you PS fans are a dieing race.

[da 36]

dam right

[shoota33]

ps fans are a dying race because of xflop GET REAL ps3 will sell a minimum of 50-60 million more console than xcrap 1.5

[shoota33]

wow an anti ps3 site that does not know sh!t.again too human IS A JOKE!! all of you idiot xbot hyped that piece of crap up and it turns out looking like a ps1 game lol!!

[da 36]

I own a x360 and none of my games or demos look as bad as that and thats fact gaytime.

[Eternal E 808]

i agree with you that too human looks like $hit because i dont lie when i see somthing wrong wich you should learn doing.

[shoota33]

i know none of your games look as bad as that because they look worse.too bad you have n64 games on your xflop 1.5 lol

[COVER GIRL]

Too Human was not ready for E3 and everybody knows that, at the same time they never made any claim on a juiced up CGI video.

[shoota33]

Yeah just like fable and forza werent pre rendered at E3 they did not want to show the real thing because it would look like n64 games.

[Eternal E 808]

but they didnt say it was real-time did they,or said it will look like that.

[schnodder]

n64 graphics is better than ps3 graphics ... lolol

[COVER GIRL]

WarHawk, BladeStorm, Tekken, Moto storm, MGS, are all poop compared to the hype you Sony fans and Sony made them out to be...

[shoota33]

They are unfinished games and developer have just got final devs last month. Ps3 launch title are already looking better than xflop 1.5 crappy launch titles.An example PDZ which looks like a sega genisis game.

[Eternal E 808]

launch games dev get the final hardwear late befor the 360s launch,but the catch is that the PS3 games had a longer time to dev wether or not they didnt have the final hardwear.and thats a fact.i hate wehn ppl keep saying its lauch games and that it almost close to the 360 2nd batch of games.both sides had the equal amount of time to dev there games but the only differntce is that the ps3 devs didnt have the final hardwear until last month.the fact is that the PS3 launch games dont even come close to the 360s 2nd batch of games and thats that,end of story to all you PS fanboy and girls.

[heihoosilver]

whit this graphics i´m more than happy i have a XBOX360.
Halo 3 dude.
Hey people:
I suspect Gaymetime is Ken Kutaragi or else, they always says the same.

[COVER GIRL]

The six hundred POS is what were all talking about the console that's suppose to be twice as better than 360 but is some how worse with it's downgraded graphics and more than likely PISS POOR gameplay.

[shoota33]

ps3 is more powerful and you will see it soon.ps3 physics are 1000x better than xflops and that means gameplay will be better than xbox 1.5's. is'nt it time to go worship overhyped GOW or halo or something.

[shoota33]

halo series is over hyped over rated and just crap. the multiplayer gets boring after a while an the single player IS A JOKE LOL!!!

[Cyclonus]

If you guys wondered why he behaves the way he does, thats why.

And every PS3 game I've seen--thats NOT a CG movie-- looks like crap.

The PhantomSaturn3 is an albatross.

[shoota33]

haha WOW YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVED ME WHEN I SAID I WAS 12 I WAS BEING SARCASTIC.YOU ARE EVEN DUMMER THAN I THOUGHT LOL!!.EVERY XBOT GAME LOOKS LIKE CRAP PERIOD!!!

[Cyclonus]

Now I'm Positive you're 12. And even if you weren't, you act 12, which is more pathetic.

[shoota33]

say what you want moron but you WONT be talking come november.

[COVER GIRL]

People will see!; when PS3 launches and the year that follows that 360 is a better gaming machine, and only people with brand loyalty will be blind to the fact that 360 will be graphiclly on top with stat-of-art gameplay and revolutionary services to back up the upgradable software in the 360.

[shoota33]

THERE IS NOTHING!! REVOLUTIONARY ABOUT XFLOP 1.5 NOTHING!! ALL MS DID IS UPDATE THE GRAPHICS FROM XBOX AND KNOW MS HAS BRAINWASHED YOU IDIOTS INTO THINKING THATS REVOLUTIONARY.PS3 WILL STILL SELL 50 TO 60 MILION MORE CONSOLE THAN XFLOP 1.5

[Eternal E 808]

read post 37 it should explain alot about your "PS3 launch titles".

[COVER GIRL]

Well i got to go and it's been nice but Tekken still looks like (here we go again)poo...

[COVER GIRL]

And i suppose downgraded graphics are better. Bozzro

[Cyclonus]

You're right, I "WONT be talking come November"...

...I'll be playing Gears of War, and playing Forza 2 with the new 360 two-motor Force Feedback racing wheel. ;)

[heihoosilver]

to gametime $ony could give him a game with zx sinclair graphics,and a ps3 box with a zx sinclair inside(i suspect that ps3 is a zx spectrum inside), and he will always be happy that $ony machine are the best.
I have see a donkey smarter.

[shoota33]

haha GOW that is MS only savior which wont help tham from getting destroyed by ps3 anyway.

[Eternal E 808]

i would like to know how with info,i will shut you down with my info.

[heihoosilver]

you are the only one concerned about it. are you affraid of loosing your job if $ony fails?

[Cyclonus]

What's Sony failing have to do with Gametime losing his paper route, lol

[shoota33]

ItS like you xbot live in a differnt world wake up.LAST TIME I CHECKED SONY OWNS MS ASS IN THE GAMEING MARKET.SO I THINK IT IS YOU THAT SHOULD BE SCARED OF MS FAILING.

[Eternal E 808]

not this time around,just wait and see.Sonys sins are finaly catching up to them and the time will come for their fall.

[schnodder]

typ du bist echt so bescheuert dass es weh tut. hier nimmt dich doch keine sau für ernst. die ps3 grafik besser als die 360er grafik ... hahahaha. kommst du dir nicht selber dooof vor???

have fun with the translation :-)

[heihoosilver]

$ony needs donkeys to do the confusion for them.
If $ony fails Gaytime had nothing more to do except continuing being a moron and a marginalised person from the society, at least with $ony he feels great because he thinks $ony is the best, this is until he will be disconneced from $ony MATRIX world he lives.

[shoota33]

Yes sony is the best and they will kick MS ass once agian.ps2 is already kicking their ass then ps3 will take over when it comes out.you have a very pathetic console which sells 2 console a month in japan.And cant out sell ps2.

[TheMART]

Someone with a lot of different names on one IP is making multiple Lame votes on 360 posts and multiple Cool votes on PSZero posts.
That must be ssj/lametime. Too many lame votes are suddenly coming in on different 360 articles, it's too obvious

Yep just what I thought, names new made, without any posts on their account.

Stupid Freaking Fony Fanboys. Maybe only one which is ssj/lametime with all his already different names

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

This game licks Super Monkey Ballzz.

[Alexander]

It doesnt matter if the game is unfinished, the videos last year were better, and the console was supposed to launch last spring, so they should be done anyway. That game looks like ass...im not gunna say something stupid - like it looks like an N64 game - but I will say this; it does not luck nearly as good as DOA4 nd looks acheievable on the old xbox.

[TheMART]

This game looks like horsesh*t

[Alexander]

http://www.clubskill.com/Ga...

Unfinished game shots from the ingame engine of a game being released after Tekken...

[shoota33]

they have been working on halo 3 since 1929.IT should look like that beside developers just got final ps3 dev kits last month.but we shall see when ps3 kicks MS ass starting november.

[TheMART]

don't talk sh*t. After two weeks working on GoW they had a large part of a level that looked already so good.

This tekken looks really like a N64 game. Got a devkit only a month ago? O wait, that was the time that the PSZero would launch worldwide initially

whow that impresses me!

[TheMART]

With what launch games exactly do they kick ass?

Can you name lets say 7 great exclusive good looking titles which has to be there in THREE MONTHS so they shouldn't look like N64 games?

[Eternal E 808]

you should read post 37,and shut up

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

Looks like An N64 game and im not stupid.

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

This game looks like an N64 game. Check out covergirls link #23 the pic looks sub PS2.

[shoota33]

PDZ looks like a sega genisis game, LOL!!!

[TheMART]

oh man you're reacting so ssj like again

http://www.pwned.nl

[Cyclonus]

looks no better than Tao Feng:Fist of the lotus for xbox1. wut a joke.

Meanwhile, us 360 owners are gonna have the best holiday season for games, EVER. We'll be playing Gears, Forza 2(with that KICK-ASS new wheel), Crackdown, Viva Pinata, Splinter Cell:DA, Not to mention all the XBLA games, SFII, UMK3, etc....its gonna be the best.

Compared to what? Unsold Legends? Fatal Inert? Benji 2? Wackhawk? On a crap console that costs $220 MORE? Hahahahahaaha!!!!

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

gametime did Rare showcase PDZ with a high REZ video and try to pass it of as being ingame graphics?. If they did show me the link or STFU please.

[shoota33]

did MS try to hide forza and fable's sega genisis like graphics? yes they did thats why the videos they showed where pre rendered at E3

[Alexander]

They never showed any ingame Fable 2 footage and they never said it was anything more than CGI.

Forza 2 was using the ingame engine but with jazzed up camera angles and effects to make it look pretty, they didnt say it was going to look like that.

Was Killzone 2 in engine, yes?

[Alexander]

Did you pluck the "40% done" out your ass?

So if its at 40% theres 60% left right?
60% needs to be done in just less than 4 months due to this game being released with the console - if it actually does get released this year.
60% divided by 4 equals 15.

So what you are saying is that they have managed 40% in 3 months and that this game is going to take 7 months to finish? No wonder it looks crap.

[Cyclonus]

stop confusing 360 with PhonySaturn 3, with its 3DO-like graphics and $600 price tag.

And 720p, 60fps., 4X FSAA, Global Illumination, and Advanced FULL car-damage modeling for Forza 'genesis like', lol, you're retarded.

[shoota33]

no wonder PDZ looks so bad its on a sega genisis with the name xbox 360 on it.

[shoota33]

forza sucks PERIOD.gt beats forza any day

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

Yah we'll get to H3 and F2 when the time comes. but for now these games for PS3 are visibly downgraded. PS2.5 and its downgraded graphics thats all the PS3 is a Boob-ray player with downgraded graphics. Just like PS2 and just like PS4 will be.

[shoota33]

if ps3 is so downgraded why does it have more features than your waste of 400$ piece of sh!t xflop 1.5? why is everyone waiting for ps3?

[Cyclonus]

everyone= just you and a couple sony fellators.

More features? So what, I expect a DVD player to have alot of features.

[Eternal E 808]

what do mean by more features other than blueray?

[schnodder]

what are u talking about?? all the ps fans i know buy a 360 now because they are not impressed with ps3 graphics and lineup.

lol. you're the funniest guy i know.

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

So they can see if it lives up to the hype just in case Sony changes their ways. And they don't want to start all over again with their sh!t collection of games.

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

If you can't see times are different from last-gen thats you're problem but its like talking to a dog with you. HAve fun with you're $600 PS2.5 with all of the feature that stolen just to keep Sony's head above water.

[shoota33]

PS3:blu ray,60 gig hd,blutooth,web browser,wi-fi,memory/flash drive ports,motion sensor controller,cell/rsx,HDMI 1.3. this is what you call next gen.

xbox360:updated graphics,updated xbox live,20 gig hd.THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL AN XBOX 1.5

[Eternal E 808]

PLEAZZ read this http://boards.1up.com/zd/bo...

[Eternal E 808]

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

[Cyclonus]

We all know you logged in all your FAKE ACCOUNTS just to agree with yourself SEVEN TIMES.

Shouldn't have been so greedy. Now everybody knows ITS YOU

[TheMART]

Hahahahahaaaa Lametime there you nailed yourself again by giving yourself indeed 7 agrees

YOU ARE SSJ THAT D*MB SH*THEAD

[THELANDSOFSAND]

the PS3 is delayed since the spring, everyone thinks its overpriced, the games will be expensive, sony's 'original' ideas are all stolen from their competition, development units blew up, bluray uses mpeg2, low yields, no production models yet, poor game line up, unhappy developers, sony have lost $850 million in 2006, bluray dvd player delayed, no unified online service, downgraded tech specs, poor E3 showing.

THE LIST GOES ON

[da 36]

gaytime cant read.

[HDDVD360]

"yes my son" "keep spreading those lies to unsuspecting stupid xbots" "ahahahahahahahahahaha&am p;qu ot; "good job with those extra screen names" " I couldn't have done it better myself" "ahahahahahahahaha" "you are doing just as we planned." "every time they say somthing good about the xbox 360, bash them, call them names, make up data that makes us look better" "but what are we going to do when consumers can see with their own eyes that our product...THE PS3....doesn't compare to the xbox 360?" " I wish Microsoft would leave us alone and go back to making Windows Vista" " they just had to spoil our grand scheme." "gametime" " you must flood the internet with your xbot 1.5 jibberish" "thats the only way to gain support" " no one can see our secret conversation can they?" " now go fight the good fight for ME."...
P.S..."gametime.....I am your Father" "ahhahahahahahahahah& quot ;

[Cyclonus]

the huge fu(king loan they now have to pay back.

With interest.....I wonder what the "vig" is on 900 million dollars?

Maybe we should ask NJ1307, since he's an "anal-ist"

[Eternal E 808]

anal-ist LOL!!!!!classic

[da 36]

he wants a x360.

[Cyclonus]

For $600 I can get a PS3 and NO Games

or:

I can have TEN 360 games: Gears of War, Crackdown, Splinter Cell:DA, Rainbow 6:Vegas, Madden 07, Viva Pinata, Dead Rising, Ninety Nine Nights, Alan Wake, and Saints Row

what to do, what to do.

[da 36]

and while your at it try to get gaytime a xbox to thank you.

[DBZGTS4]

Duh.

[da 36]

its going out of biz lol.

[DBZGTS4]

?

[da 36]

over priced unit that dont do half promised.
they charge 6 six hundred dollars and have screen shots that look like 3 year olds made them.
games and controllers will be in the 70-80 dollar price range.
an its flat out trash, now your take.

[DBZGTS4]

PlayStation on it, Past Products with the name PlayStation on them:

PS1:102,500,000
PS2:103,690,000

[da 36]

no one has a bs3 the info everyone has the thing I understand is if you want to debate super nin to genesis cool or bs1 to n64 cool or bs2 to xbox cool but how can you defend sony when they can't these screen shots are yours their not cross platform its your ever yone remembers the lies but those shots are those how do you feel about those shots thaTS what the topic is on.

[The Real Deal]

Sony lost 574 million dollars in the first quarter 2006

Sony has to pay 250 million dollars in back taxes.

Sony just took out a loan with a bank for millions of dollars.

When the ps3 comes out they will loose 350 dollars per console. They hoping to ship 4 million worldwide by the end of the year.

Do the math. Their financial outlook is grim...

[The Real Deal]

THAT FAILED...

[da 36]

sony fans remind me of football fans that team won a superbowl in the sixties and still bring it up thats the past they keep bringing up bs1 and bs2.

[Cyclonus]

BetaMax
http://answers.google.com/a...

UMD
http://brian.carnell.com/ar...

MicroMV
http://www.camcorderinfo.co...

Elcaset
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

SACD
http://www.positive-feedbac...

BluRay ?

[da 36]

thats why I started posting these sony fans are sick dam.

[The Real Deal]

Not everything Sony is Great. Yes they have won the last to console wars from a units sold stand point. But think about this....
by having X360 in the market, they've changed the dynamic, that... if Microsoft hadn't been here, you know, would PS3 be launching this year? Dunno. Would they have 2 SKUs? Would they have a hard drive, would they have a network? Whatever happens, Microsoft has shown innovation and leadership. And, you know... I'm not going to say it's complementary for them to copy Microsoft, because it's irrelevant. But, I think that, you know, they are showing the way in many places. They have only been on the market, from day one for maybe four, four-and-a-half years now, and already there's 24M plus Xboxes worldwide. And 5 million plus 360's. It's not bad for a new startup.

[The Real Deal]

Bill Gates could mis place 1 billion dollars and still be the richest man alive. And he didn't get rich on OIL. He got rich on his Software Genious.....Sony got rich and soon bankrupt from failed hardware innovations. Sony...Stop trying to RULE THE WORLD...and start making the Consumers of the world happy. Give us what we want. Not what you want us to have. Geez...

[da 36]

they disregard all the facts because if the tables were turned and xbox was lying like sony and getting caught I would'nt buy it.

[AuburnTiger]

I thought he got rich stealing software?

[Cyclonus]

"Those that cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana

[DOLBY DI GA TAL pf]

http://gaminghobo.wordpress...

[The Real Deal]

In the end, Sony sold some 18 million Betamax units.What did Sony do wrong? Beta is considered by many to be the superior technology. according to James Lardner, author of "Fast Forward: Hollywood, the Japanese, and the VCR Wars" (1987, New American Library), Sony offered to license Beta to JVC and Matsushita in 1974, but JVC (otherwise known as Victor Company) didn't like Sony's "overbearing" attitude. Sony was first to market with a groundbreaking technology, but the lower costs of VHS in the late 70's (as much as a $300 gave the advantage to RCA. and Vcr's eventually won out. In the tech industry price/value always wins out.

[DOLBY DI GA TAL pf]

True dat.

[Cyclonus]

Is uncanny. You'd think somebody, anybody over as Sony would look at what their doing and say "Hey, wait a minute, we've been down this road before"

Almost every format they've pushed on the consumer--and with the same arrogant "what would you ever do without us" bull-headed attitude-- has been met with failure.

Has no sony exec ever had the balls to ask WHY?

[The Real Deal]

"Stupid Fools"...."Beta was the best formatt and you shot it down for a lesser stupid american formatt." "We will get our revenge" "The world will one day use our Superior formatt".....

Years later....
"World domination is at hand"..."We have built up a 200 million SONY playstation/playstation 2 user base" "ahahahahahahaha" " They fell for it" "ahaahahahaha" "We actually sold 30 million ps2's but with a 1 yr life cycle we kept selling refurbished ps2's to unsuspecting gamers all over the world" "ahahahahahaha" "Now since we have them all in the palm of our hands and Movie studios think that we actually have 100 million user support we can now launch our blu ray" "with movie studio support our superior technology will finally prevail" "ahhahahahaha" "OH NOOOOOOOOOO" "Whats this?"....."HD DVD"...."What can we do?" " I know" "we will pay stores to only show our formatt in their stores. They have to listen because we now have music, movies, audio, video, computer electronics foot hold" "ahhahahahahah" "Oh, NOOOOOOO" "whats this?" "Noooooo not the Wii" "They are outselling our ps3 5 to 1 in Japan" "NOOOOOOO" "why don't Microsoft just mind their own business and go away...Not a HD dvd add on"...."NOOOOOOOOO&q uot; "Walmart, what are you doing?" "Why are you selling HD dvd's 10 to 1 over our superior blu ray?" "NOOOOOOOO" "Judge.....um....We would like to file for bankruptcy please"...

[The Real Deal]

"I heard your hiring?"

"Yes we are"

"Can I have a job?"

"sure"

"what do I have to do"

"well you just speak in the little mic here adn say "can I take your order" "

"you mean I have to serve customers?"

"yes, we want every customer to be a happy customer"

"I'm sorry, I'm not qualified for this job"

"I'm sorry, Good luck"

Whispering to himself as he walks out with his head down "I will one day rule the world. I was this close to world domination. I know I still have some Sony supporters out there somewhere. Game time? SonyisGod? NJ1307? Its a start..." "ahhahahahahahahaha"

To be continued.......

[DOLBY DI GA TAL pf]

Sony Will Be Dented In The Next-Gen, But By How Much ?

Ask your average gamer that isn’t immersed in this industry what console they are planning to buy next, you will find the PS3 come out a run away winner. Mention the price tag to them, and you will see their mouths drop to the floor in shock, but this in reality means an extra month or so of saving, a few less nights out on the town, it does not necessarily mean that consumers who have had many a great year with the Playstation series will just jump ship, brand loyalty is a very difficult thing to over come and Sony have it in abundance.

The next instalments of hugely popular titles such as Tekken(LOL) and Metal Gear Sold which defined a generation, will be heading to the PS3, while they are not truly innovative titles as such, they are certainly ones a lot of gamers are willing to wait for and associate with great quality. Early adopters will jump at the chance to own the latest technology regardless if it will be a run away success or not, younger gamers will still be kicking and screaming for the PS3 and it will just mean a few sacrifices here and there in terms of their spending their (guardians or parents) cash. From a pure gaming experience, the 360 can definitely match the experience offered from the PS3 and at a much lower price, however attach Sony’s brand loyalty, famous development studios and perceived superiority through incorporated technology and the console suddenly looks like it’ more than back in the game.

Reasons for Success in the Next Gen

+ Custom architecture boasting powerful cell processor
+ Could double up as a high-end media centre
+ A blu-ray player alone costs $1000, one is included with PS3
+ Huge brand loyalty
+ Interaction with PSP
+ PS2 outsold the Xbox 360 in USA for the month of May ‘06
+ Move towards unified online service akin to Xbox Live
+ An array of tried and tested titles such as Tekken 6, Metal Gear etc
+ Linux compatibility, perhaps encouraging custom content creation ala homebrew
+ Simple six-way motion sensitive axis controller could be greatly adopted by mainstream
+ The high price could benefit Sony, instinctively we believe if something has a higher price than competition then it is the best in the field

Reasons for Market Share to Erode in Next Gen

- Very high price for what is competing in the home video games console market, regardless of what it’s marketed as
- Loss of rumble feature in controller and limited motion sensitivity
- Lack of innovation beyond hardware, everything seems very ‘me too’ and changed multiple directions considerably over development
- Blu-ray may not take off, and the ‘extra’ you paid to have such technology could’ve been a waste in terms of value
- Confusion amongst consumers, Sony reps have said the PS3 is a PC, a media centre and everything but a video games console, perhaps the lack of a coherent market strategy could see the core market of gamers not fully captured by Sony
- Did we mention it had one of the highest ever prices for a video games console?
I hate PlayStation

[NJ1307RSX]

The absolute worst case scenario. The PS3 will outsell the 360, just wait till' it launches. In the meantime don't you have a 360 to Play with.

[The Real Deal]

"PRAY while we PLAY"...Nuff said.

[DOLBY DI GA TAL pf]

People will under estimate Microsoft and that's not a smart thing to do. I see xbox720 being the new PS2 of that generation. This is what i do, i see for a living.

[da 36]

you ain't seen a dam thing.

[The Real Deal]

This Thursday the current sales report for the xbox 360 will be released.

Two questions for Sony fans....

Which NEXT GEN console will have the largest market share at the Begining of 2007?

And on Thursday how much do you think the worldwide total sales will be for the 360?

Remember...once you post your answer you won't be able to edit it come Thursday so we can throw it back in your face.....lol....

[DOLBY DI GA TAL pf]

- Lack of innovation beyond hardware - Read this a couple of times so you understand that this is what all the average consumer will care about as people are getting smarter and out growing brand loyalty. - Lack of innovation beyond hardware - - Lack of innovation beyond hardware - - Lack of innovation beyond hardware -

[HDDVD360]

"Please stop it" "I will pay you to stop telling the truth about us" " We must succeed" " Don't listen to these xbox fans" "Brand Loyality is all that matters" " You like the ps2 right?" "I mean, you did buy it over and over again every time it broke" " you must like it." " Who cares if the 360 games look better than our ps3" "Brand Loyalty is key" "Listen to me please" "NJ1307, Gametime, help me brainwash our fans" "we will take over the world" "by the way, good job gametime with the creating 40 screen names to flood the web site with lies and lame votes for the 360 site" "you have learned well my children" "ahhahahahahahahahaha& ;quo t;...they never saw it coming. Oh yeah, please, can i have all your money, i'm in debt you know!"

[THELANDSOFSAND]

LMAO

don't forget

"please, can i have all your money, i'm in debt you know!"

[DOLBY DI GA TAL pf]

- Lack of innovation beyond hardware - Is by no means Next-Gen. Is over coming brand loyalty tough; sure! it is, is it inpossible hell no it's not. Popularity is not proof that Sony's a better choice; it only means people only trust Sony or hate Microsoft mostly because of it's Software branch. People are haters, and with Sony making so many other products, it's hardwired in people to assume Sony must be the best.

[NJ1307RSX]

3.2 million units March 31, 2006 (units sold)

5.0 million units June 31, 2006 (units sold)

[THELANDSOFSAND]

and the PS3, its rival competition?

how many has it sold by June 2006?

[NJ1307RSX]

Its coming out on November 17, 2006.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

so that would be a 5 million unit lead already?

[The Real Deal]

I would be surprised if it wasn't at least 5 million...but if you are right. That would mean xbox 360 is right on par to selling 10 million by November. They still have Gears of War, Prey, Lord of the rings middle earth, Saints Row, Fear, Splinter cell, Mass Effect, Fable 2, and 150 others that will definately pick up the console sales to get to that 10 million mark. There are some exclusive must have titles coming out before Christmas. It should be interesting to say the least. I love it.

[THE TRUTH]

would be surprised if it wasn't at least 5 million...but if you are right. That would mean xbox 360 is right on par to selling 10 million by November. They still have Gears of War, Prey, Lord of the rings middle earth, Saints Row, Fear, Splinter cell, Mass Effect, Fable 2, and 150 others that will definately pick up the console sales to get to that 10 million mark. There are some exclusive must have titles coming out before Christmas. It should be interesting to say the least. I love it.

Can any gamer (non-fanboy's please) tell me they really honestly think that with 4-5 months left before Wii and PS3 launch that 360 will actually sell more goiing into the holidays? Logic tells me otherwise but thats just my opinion. If M$ does not cut the price of 360 before the Wii and PS3's launch they will have much less chance of selling more in these critical months ahead. They are not on pace for 10 million, they are behind in my opinion M$ better release games ASAP becuase thus far they are in a serious dry spell of games for the 360. They have given us gamers NOTHING for the summer I MEAN NOTHING and that is just pittiful, unexcusable, painful and disheartening. M$ has had a year to take the crown from Sony but forgot to bring the damn bullets to the gun fight, WHERE ARE MY SUMMER GAMES MS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HDDVD360]

"yes my son" "keep spreading those lies to unsuspecting stupid xbots" "ahahahahahahahahahaha&am p;am p;qu ot; "good job with those extra screen names" " I couldn't have done it better myself" "ahahahahahahahaha" "you are doing just as we planned." "every time they say somthing good about the xbox 360, bash them, call them names, make up data that makes us look better" "but what are we going to do when consumers can see with their own eyes that our product...THE PS3....doesn't compare to the xbox 360?" " I wish Microsoft would leave us alone and go back to making Windows Vista" " they just had to spoil our grand scheme." "gametime" " you must flood the internet with your xbot 1.5 jibberish" "thats the only way to gain support" " no one can see our secret conversation can they?" " now go fight the good fight for ME."...
P.S..."gametime.....I am your Father" "ahhahahahahahahahah& quot ;

[NJ1307RSX]

The Real Deal, THELANDOFSAND

[THELANDSOFSAND]

lol

no not me, that grammar would distress me

but thanks for the insult!

;)

[HDDVD360]

Good job. Make them think its their own stupid fanboys. "ahahahahahahahah" "I would have never thought of that myself" "thats what I have you and Gametime for" "keep up the good work" "Yes....I'm not really the Boss of Sony. I'm...uh ummm...the real deal...or better yet...thelandofsand"...&q uot;NJ1307, as much as I endorse lying, The world needs to hear directly from me"..."I lied"..."I really am the Boss of Sony" "sorry, but everyone lies sometime" "right"...."I'm sorry"..."now Nj1307 and Gametime, keep up the good work" "Nj1307...can I please borrow some extra dollars? You did say you make 150 million a month. I only need 1 billion to get back on track" "thanks in advance buddy"

[NJ1307RSX]

The Real Deal.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

NJ won't lend you money, he just lies about his income!

and he won't invest in a flop like the PS3

;)

right? hes too clever for that!

lol

NOT.

[HDDVD360]

We will have exactly 0 units sold and 0 units pre ordered by June 2006. I hope that helps you with your research. I'm good with numbers you know. Since I answered your question "can I borrow some extra dollars"..."I owe 250 million dollars in back taxes and we lost 600 million dollars this last quarter. Thanks in advance.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

you should ask bill gates!

you know, he is about to take the market lead with the 360 and games like gears of war and halo 3.

have you heard of him?

[NJ1307RSX]

I'll just slip out of this conversation and play some Metal Gear Solid.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

i presume you will be back again in 2 minutes like the last time you left to play a PS2 game...

they really hold your attention!

oh and enjoy the PS2 graphics, they look better than any PS3 launch title you will be playing!

[HDDVD360]

Bill gates is like Luke skywalker in Star wars...i be like Darth vader...Yes, Darth Vader. I will take over the universe. I'm Microsoft's daddy. Yes..."ahhahahahahahaha&q uot;

[The Real Deal]

You are too funny...but one thing I don't think you thought about in your grand scheme. lol...lol...lol...."Luke killed Darth vader in the end" "then darth vader turned into a good spirit and supported luke" lol.....That is pretty much whats going to happen.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

yep, veder gets his ass kicked...

bye bye sonybosses everywhere!

[HDDVD360]

Real Deal, you are right. You are always right. Please stop making me look bad. Please stop spreading your Facts. I know the xbox 360 outperforms my ps3. So what. We have sold 200 million ps1 and ps2's. People will blindly buy our inferior system. Face it. And go play your stupid xbox 1.5 and i hope it don't burn your stupid house down. You xbot you...

[THELANDSOFSAND]

is that you Krazy Ken?

i loved it when you called the PS3 a restaurant. that was nice!

i'm off to play 360

[HDDVD360]

I'm going to play my stupid ps2. I hope we can get some good yields with that 2x speed blu ray drive. Its starting to piss me off. I knew I should have went with dvd9. I just didn't want to copy Microsoft any more than I already had. And that stupid Cell. I hate that thing. 1 processor at 2.8 ghz with 7 stupid dsp's that don't work for anything. They all suck juice from that measly processor. We messed up this time. But thats ok...stupid sony fans will buy the 1.5 million at launch and the world will think we are a success. Bye for now. I'm going to play my xbox 360. Man its great. oops...did i just say that outloud? I'm out.......

[DOLBY DI GA TAL pf]

I don't think we'll see Sony close it's doors for good, I have some concerns about the affect the PS3 could have on Sony's financials over the next few years and into the future. Microsoft has created an impressive console with the Xbox 360 and while Sony has a strong history in the Playstation line, there are key components for concern. Blu-Ray, an online service like Xbox Live and a hard development environment create additional areas for financial loss that may not be recouped. For the sake of competition and a strong market, let's hope Sony can address these concerns adequately and while there is still time.

[The Real Deal]

Ken actually monitors our little news4games.com. Very interesting. That gives us a new insight on Sony. I agree with Dolby...I have always said competition is good. Thats what makes companies better and better and us as gamers win in the end. So, its good to hear sony's boss plays and likes the xbox 360.

[zinnia]

Username: Alan
Sex: female
Location: North America in the sticks
Website: www.dumb.stupid
Status: Sony troll
UserInfo: Idiot/loser

[shoota33]

What are you trying to prove.

[zinnia]

gametime you need to leave Middle-earth and get layed.

[shoota33]

If u guys do have such unlimited, unquestionable knowledge, why doesn't any1 care?
Also why aren't u all working in vitally important world running organisations?
ANS: Cos ur all little sad console monkeys that dont know sh!t.

p.s. i can't wait for the PS3 to come out and whip xbox 1.5 ass.

[BIadestarX]

I can't wait for PS3 to come out. What's taking them so freaken long! They should hire microsoft to help them setup their XBox live clone network and change the background color and call it XStation Live. Also, they can probably make a deal with the wii so they can help them with the graphics since the wii graphics are starting to look better than this.

[zinnia]

This game is lametime, bigtime. What im i trying to prove?, im not proving anything that he's not already doing himself. He's a hating Sony gametroll like yourself. Come on i mean really! 35 lame post for Halo3 and GOW. You and that other kid are lametime bigtime. The top games of modern times don't get lame votes. lol

[shoota33]

The Bottomline is.........X Box 360 will SUCK and will only stress the fans 360 TIMES MORE! LOL! PS3 will TAKE OVER THE GLOBE ONCE AGAIN! Microsoft is NOT MADE for gaming......it should STICK to making OSs for PCs! as for X Box 33-6 feet! It looks like a f***in alienware binder notebook! LOL!.....I already seen the gameplay of the Games on PS3 the gameplay looks AMAZING! WOW! Can't wait for the once-again ULTIMATE entertainment system in the WORLD! PS3! Stress Box 3-6 feet only has Halo 3..........but Halo 2 SUCKED ASS! It should stick to PC! PS3 will have the BEST GAMES EVER! Killzone 2,8 days,MGS4 and DMC4 So Stress Box 3-6 feet fans STOP coming into us PS3 fans' forum! I guess U Stress Box fans r just WORRIED

[BIadestarX]

Microsoft's being into video game longer than SONY (DirectX). You will eventually switch to microsoft you have no choice. You must ovey your master. Microsoft is capable of delivering what Nintendo nor Sony can. i.e Live Anywhere. don't resist it will make things more painful.

[schnodder]

have you ever seen the games coming to the 360??? how can you bash the 360 for top games???

[zinnia]

Im not worried i think thats why i come here because im not worried at all, its more of the line of poking fun of how sad this console is turning out. PS2 fans trashed xbox fans any chance they got so when i seen Sony fanboys silenced i know their worried. Its why the smart ones don't talk sh!t.

[shoota33]

yes ps3 fans are so scared of a pile of crap sorry excuse for a next gen console xflop 1.5.No one is worried you only come to the ps3 news section because you are scared.i dont know why xbots are so dam interested in ps3 news,i never go into to the xcrap site but yet all of you come here.

[Eternal E 808]

thinks we got nothing better to do but come in here and trash talk sure.your just cought up in sonys net and keep trying to back up the PS3 when right in front of you on this page shows the ps3's real graphics and is not what you and a million ppl were expecting,so the only thing you can do is keep bragging about games that might go the same way as this game did,its most likely because half of the stuff that sony showed was trailers and i will put down money that this was not the only game that showed pre-rendered trailers and will not look like the trailers they showed,so only time will tell and once the time comes i think we all know that if im right it will be no doubt that the 360 will be on top for this gen of consoles.

[zinnia]

So gametime does this game look like SH!T or not? with its downgraded graphics. And what percent of the others games have been downgraded. And can you tell me about all the plug thingys that are gone. I think this is why i come here its entertaining.

[jib]

^ gametime, you sound so pissed lol. relax a little. you sound like you're in a kult, out to protect sony. breathe a little.

[zinnia]

But yet! you know all theres to know about the 360.

[shoota33]

There is not much to know its very simple. xbox 360 offerS updated graphics and xbox live from the original xbox.this is not NEXT GEN PERIOD!!! MS brainwashed you idiots into thinking its something special,but it is just a rushed console trying not to get its ass kicked by ps3 which will eventually happen anyway there is nothing MS can do about it.

[zinnia]

I hope your PS3 won't melt and stop working like the ones some of the devs had. Well i got to go watch the fire works but gametime i will love to talk to you later. I have a part time job training dogs while i go to school and i love a challange. Your like a untrainable dog.

[zinnia]

The 360s only rushed because the PS3 was delayed(LOL) thats my favorite Sony BS line. See ya!

[HDDVD360]

"My son"...."oh my young son"...."so much I have to tell you" "I lied"..."Microsoft didn't rush their system like i led you and my other followers to believe"..."I'm sorry son"...."I appreciate your faith in me"...."but the dvd9 that the 360 uses is actually all developers will need for the next 5 years"..."I just want people to by my blu ray so we can rule the world."..."Everytime I launch a new formatt the world rejects us"...."so now we will force feed all the xbots until they like what I'm cookin"...."son, oh son....please keep insulting these xrats for loving their xflop 1.5's" "but son, what are we going to do when the whole world see's with their own eyes that we suck?" "Hopefully their blind faith will not let them see how ugly our games look"..."I new I should have went with dvd9" "and that stupid cell thingamabob....we keep getting low yields with it...and it just ain't making the grade....I think we will have to drop the ghz to 2.8. It runs to hot with 7 dsp's sucking off of it. I know, I know, it will make the games look worse. But son, you and me know we just want everyone to buy blu ray. So we can finally rule the world..." "ahhahahahahahahahahahah& quot;

[shoota33]

listen you sarcastic prick,dvd9 is old and developers already said they need more space for games moron.there have been no ps3 downgrades you stipid @SS. Go play your xbox 1.5 and stop flooding the ps3 section with your sarcastic ignorance.

[Eternal E 808]

are you a dev because you act like you know what you are talkin about realy,or you just know what sony tells you, i think you should stop being a fanboy so some day when your balls drop youll stop saying that the ps3 is better when its not FACT!!The FACT is the 360's 2nd batch of games will look better than your ps3's launch games and Thats a FACT.and as for "LAUNCH GAMES" they had equal amount of time to dev their games but the difference is that the ps3 game devs did not get their final hardwear until a month or so ago geting the final hardwear late is no excuse for lame graphics this game has,im saying look at the pics of how they said it will look and look how it looks now.i mean any smart person knows that the game wont look as good as they first said it will even if they have the final hardwear and if it was 40% complete,COME ON!!!!

[The BS Police]

You always deny the Truth, Halo 2 Sucks? HaHaHaHaHa.

I laugh at your stupidity, Halo sells more counsoles than Metal gear Solid.

The Japanese Gamers are abandoning the PS3 to get a Wii and yet the American Gamers are going with the XBOX 360.

In two days we will see if Microsoft reached it's goal to sell 5-5.5 Million XBOX 360's by the end of June.

I'd love to see you deny that because your dumba$$ remarks entertain us.

You Gametime are gonna be the 40-year old virgin. lol

[HDDVD360]

How dare you disrespect your daddy. Boy don't make me come into the other room and snatch you off your chair. But son, I have some good news. Here is a quote for a popular news source I thought I would share with you...And son, I told you I lied to you. Please forgive me. There are no developers saying they need more space. I made that up to make people think they need our formatt. Thats why when the xflops ask us for links we can't provide them. Son, they don't exist. I'm sorry boy. I knew i shouldn't have took that drank the night I made you boy...You disrepectful little prick. Boy I oughta...But yessss boy yesssss keep calling it xflop 1.5. I love it when you do that. It makes daddy very happy....here is the news quote son....
Since the pact between Hollywood studios and CE manufacturers is rumored to postpone the use of the Image Constraint Token until 2010 (possibly until 2012), neither the Xbox 360 nor the PlayStation 3 will need a HDMI connector since consoles’ lifecycles are usually five years.

By 2010, definitely by 2012, the successor to the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 will have already arrived and Microsoft and Sony will have included a HDMI connector in those next-next-generation systems, but in the meantime, there is no need to use HDMI in order to play high-definition movies at their maximum resolution. That’s why Sony can offer a model without HDMI and clarify that it will still be able to playback Blu-ray Disc movies without any image degradation. Microsoft has followed suit.

[The Real Deal]

After discussing both formats it is clear that each technology has its pros and cons, so it is difficult to say which one is superior. Blu-ray Disc has a larger capacity, but being incompatible with the previous generation implies that media and hardware will be more expensive to manufacture than their HD DVD counterparts.

Although HD DVD is backed by the DVD Forum, Blu-ray Disc has the support of a larger number of companies. That being said, if the support of movie studios will be a determining factor, then HD DVD has more robust support from film studios, including Universal, Warner, and Paramount - studios that account for over fifty percent of the industry.

[The Real Deal]

As someone who has worked for both Nintendo and Sony, what are your thoughts on Microsoft’s strategy for their online service.

Cindy Armstrong: I think Microsoft is way ahead of the group with their online strategy, and since our company is online, we believe it is evident in our support for the platform. We’ve invested a lot of money developing games knowing that Microsoft’s Xbox Live will be able to deliver and we have a platform to leverage. Otherwise, we wouldn’t be doing this.

[The Real Deal]

Although games like ‘Everquest’, ‘City of Heroes’, ‘Ultima Online’ and ‘Star Wars Galaxies’, just to name a few, turned out to be successful, it wasn’t until ‘World of WarCraft’ that a massively multiplayer game reached such a level of popularity and commercial success. What do you think is the reason for the success of WoW and what are the lessons learned?

Cindy Armstrong: I think it is a fantastic game. Well developed, created by a known group and a known franchise. They had that benefit. The future is going to use components of online and I think it’s developing those properties that do appeal massively. Everquest, Ultima Online, again successes, but in a very niche market. How many people have played Blizzard’s games in their lives? And I think that is one the keys to have people that would have never considered playing an MMO before, to show interest. I think that in the future you’re going to find games that are unappealing to fans of MMO RPG, but a FPS like Huxley, people that didn’t normally play an MMO will now pick it up because they want to see rewards in the persistency of the world, have features like character saves, leveling up – things that they didn’t have before, so it’s giving them something to premiere with and adding extending capabilities.

[The Real Deal]

Back in 2003, ATI Technologies and Microsoft announced a technology development agreement under which ATI would develop custom, leading-edge graphics technologies for use in the Xbox successor. This broke the previous relationship Microsoft had with nVIDIA and saw a new contractor taking care of the Xbox graphics.

Fast forward to 2005, Microsoft revealed that the Xbox 360 will feature a custom ATI graphics processor that clocks in at a blistering 500 MHz, with 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines and 10 MB of embedded RAM.

[The Real Deal]

What were the goals and challenges that ATI faced in developing the Xbox 360 GPU?

Bob Feldstein: The challenges included creating on schedule a platform that can live for five years without enhancement. Microsoft’s aggressive performance specifications for the system forced ATI to once again think outside the box –in this case, the PC market. After making the breakthrough that we needed by thinking of this product as a console product only, the innovations -- Intelligent Memory, Unified Shader, Modeling Engine -- came more easily. Then the architecture team had to come through in record time to stay ahead of an aggressive implementation team.

[The Real Deal]

Did Microsoft know exactly what it wanted for its GPU or did they just set the goals and you proposed the architecture and technology?

Bob Feldstein: Microsoft set broad goals for the GPU. They were especially concerned with memory bandwidth and overall system performance. They wanted a machine that could take advantage of CPU multi-processing through multi-threading, plus a machine that would be conceptually simple to program while providing head room for developers to stay competitive over the console’s lifetime. Microsoft and ATI did the GPU architectural design, with MS determining the overall performance targets and ATI turning those targets into reality. The Unified Shaders and Intelligent Memory, for example, are direct results of our remarkable collaboration.

[The Real Deal]

People love numbers. How many transistors does the Xenos have? Can you break that down into the parent and daughter die? Explain some of the numbers that have been mentioned, such as the 2-terabit; the 32GB/sec and 22.4GB/sec bandwidths, etc.

Bob Feldstein: 235 million transistors parent die, 90 million transistors daughter die. Bandwidth for Intelligent Memory is derived from the following events occurring every cycle:

2 Quads of samples/cycle * 4 samples * (4 bytes color + 4 bytes Z)*2 (read and write)*500mhz = 256 gbytes/sec (that is, 2 Terabits/sec).

The 22.4GB/sec link is the connection to main memory (note, incidentally, that all 512MB of Xbox 360 system memory is in one place, which makes accessing it easier from a developer perspective). The GPU is also directly connected to the L2 cache of the CPUs – this is a 24GB/sec link Memory bandwidth is extremely important, which is why we spent so much time on it. Fortunately, designing the system from the ground up gave us the freedom to build incredible bandwidth into the box.

[The Real Deal]

When the Xbox 360 GPU features were unveiled, Nvidia expressed doubts about unified shader architecture, particularly about its performance. Do you think Nvidia’s comments are due to no Nvidia part, not even the RSX, having a unified shader architecture yet?

Bob Feldstein: Oh yes. Very much so.

[The Real Deal]

Is it possible to measure the Xenos performance against a PC part? Or does the fact that they have different shader architectures, run with different operating systems, and system hardware, make a comparison too difficult?

Bob Feldstein: It really is difficult to measure the environments against each other. You would tend to write an app to run well in its intended environment. I would discourage trying to compare them in these manners. That being said, the console has many advantages – most notably, the controlled environment. This is what allows us to overcome memory bandwidth bottlenecks with Intelligent Memory and make the 48 shader units operate at peak efficiency. A device could have an infinite number of shader ALUs, but without the memory bandwidth to feed the system all of the hardware would go for naught.

[The Real Deal]

The RSX has a 550 MHz clock speed. Does this 10% clock speed lead over the Xenos GPU necessarily mean that the PlayStation 3 GPU is more powerful than the Xbox 360 GPU? We won’t believe it until we see it, but if true, how is it possible that the PlayStation 3 can output 1080p video streams? That makes the RSX sound more powerful than the Xenos…

Bob Feldstein: No! These are inconsequential numbers that don’t reflect any reality concerning the system performance. The 1080p streams have no bearing on understanding system performance, and the clock speed means little.

Realize that the memory bandwidth is the bottleneck of graphics systems. ATI’s Intelligent Memory provides an almost infinite bandwidth path to memory – meaning that the Unified Shaders will never be stifled in getting work to do. The Sony processor is going to come up against memory bandwidth limitations constantly, negating any small clocking differential.

The Sony 1080p outputs are not an indication of performance – at best 1080p is an indication that Sony considered this resolution the sweet spot of the market. The use case of 1080p just shows that the RSX has a PC pedigree, and has been cobbled together with the console.

[The Real Deal]

When describing the Xenos GPU, it has been said that its capabilities go beyond the Shader Model 3.0, placing a plus symbol after the DirectX nomenclature. Can you give specific numbers (for example, the maximum number of shader instructions executed) that corroborate this Shader Model 3.0+ capacity?

Bob Feldstein: Among others impressive aspects, the Xbox 360 can execute 1000 instructions/programs, offers higher precision than required, and does shader exports. Also, as a unified shader architecture, both vertex and pixel shaders have access to the full instruction set.

[The Real Deal]

After AGEAI unveiled its PhysX processor, everyone expected that at least one of the next-generation consoles would include a physics processor, but that didn’t happen. There have been rumors that the Xenos GPU, particularly its daughter die, could be used to accelerate physics. Is that true? If so, would it be practical or would the use of the daughter die to perform hardware accelerated physics have an impact in the Xenos graphics performance?

Bob Feldstein: It is certainly true that physics could be done on our GPU. Realize that the Xbox 360 also has three high-speed processors, each multi-threaded – so there are many ways to achieve interesting A.I. We will seek to enable all paths.

[The Real Deal]

When we say the Xbox has headroom, it is through the ability to enable algorithms on the GPU, including interesting lighting and surface algorithm like subdivision surfaces. It would be impossible to implement these algorithms in real time without our unique features such as shader export.

[The Real Deal]

In some of the screens, the game looks almost photorealistic, mostly due to the use of depth-of-field techniques, but so far these screens are from a “god perspective”. Can we expect the game to look this good when actually playing?

Dan Blackstone: Yes, we’ve really been able to push the visuals to a new level. We also built in a new feature that lets you turn any individual part of the HUD on or off. So you can use the full readout, or a completely clean screen, or something in between. We expect a lot of players will play with no or minimal HUD, as it makes the game look even better.

Are you making use of the three cores found in the Xbox 360 CPU? If so, what kind of tasks are you assigning to them?

Dan Blackstone: Yes, we are using all three. The game is running on 1, the renderer on 2, and physics/audio on 3. We also have a lot of other helper threads running on the cores.

[The Real Deal]

http://games.teamxbox.com/x...

[The Real Deal]

the E3 Game Critics announced their nominees for the Best of E3 awards, and games on Microsoft’s platforms led this year’s nominations, garnering 52 nominations, more than half of those given. Specifically, Xbox 360 amassed more nominations than Sony’s PlayStation 3 and Nintendo’s Wii combined with a total of 21, while the Windows platform led all platforms with 29 nominations.

[Gamer13]

The point is these screens looks like PS2 graphics.

[Karibu]

Stop that spamming.

[Gamer13]

^^^^ you need to chill.

[THE TRUTH]

what is the point in spamming that sh^t in a PS3 forum? It goes to show how fragile the customers of M$ have become as we approach the launches of both the PS3 and Wii..... The Real Deal has no life, he/she spends his/her every moment on these forums praising the 360..... So I ask the question "IF" the 360 is so damn fun to play why do you post and do all your "so-called" research with all your free-time?

[TMoney]

No...seriously, this is a joke, right? If I were the publisher of Tekken, I wouldn't be releasing such crap...unless this is the best they could produce. In that case, I would be sharpening my ginzu knives (along with all the Sony execs) for a sepuku party after the PS3 launch.

[Cyclonus]

Evil execs don't take bad news very well:

ENRON's Ken Lay just had a heart attack and DIED...guess the thought of having his salad tossed by an inmate named "Tiny" for 25-Life was too much for his ticker, lol.

As for Kenny K? Seppuku? Nah, he'll just tie a Rising Sun bandanna on his head, hop in a Mitsubishi Zero, fly to Redmond, WA, and drop unsold PS3 consoles on Microsoft Headquarters.

[The Real Deal]

Will Sony be able to keep first place in the next-gen console battle?

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No - they'll be second
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Yes I think so
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[PS360PCROCKS]

am I the only one who notices that all the ps3 fans try to bash our good stories and totally ignore their bad ones, only one on here is lametime and I swear dude that kid is going to have a heart attack...

[THELANDSOFSAND]

i just love the n64's new graphics!

[THELANDSOFSAND]

NJ1307 ia a racist asshole and a multiple account user who spams the site

BAN NJ NOW

[TiTuS]

Tekken games have come a long long way to nothing its just always been a fighting game but it has no fire to it ummmmmm it needs some flare or something, just something to help the poor game.

[THE TRUTH]

Although I'm not one to really harp on graphics, this game looks sub-par thus-far. But on the other side I played the sh^t out of tekken-tag it was by far my favorite fighting game on PS2 and the visuals were not all that stunning. I really looking forward to VF5 because VF4 was underrated and I enjoyed that game throughly

[specialguest]

just in case anyone wants to see the actual video of these screenshots http://www.gametrailers.com...

[Fat Onion]

I would really like to see what killzone looks like.