Metro 2033 (Consoles, P.C.) Might Equal Crysis (P.C.) Visually

SKOAR!: "There has been an ongoing debate regarding the processing power of consoles to pull of a massive engine such as CryEngine which needed to be toned downed significantly for consoles to actually handle the versatility of the engine. We found a game called Metro 2033 (announced way back in 2006) that might actually showcase that the current generation console machine(s) can handle the visual quality of Crysis."

[PISSIO]

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[JsonHenry]

Meh. While it may look good, ANYONE that knows a thing or two about what is under the hood of the consoles know it is a physical impossibility for any current console to pull it off as stated.

However, through clever art style and level design you can achieve the same "wow" factor that Crysis had.

I don't really care if it is pushing the same amount of polys and high rez textures as crysis as long as the game is polished and well done.

[gambare]

gameplay of the PC version...

[Jhun]

Correct my ignorance if I'm wrong but why are we debating the CryEngine2 when the CryEngine3 is not far from release?

Anyways, screw all this crap Pokemon graphics FTW.

[Pandamobile]

Because CryEngine 2 on PC looks better than CryEngine 3 on consoles (in case you didn't already know)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[DaTruth]

Who cares; We know it won't be rendering 50k's of island all at once and won't have full destructability where you blow up a house from 25k away and later in the game, you pass the house and it's still destroyed!
Maybe more like stupid Farcry, where you kill five guys at a checkpoint, return five minutes later and the same guys are back in the exact same place. In one mission I had to fight the same guys 4 times in ten minutes!

Crysis is far more than graphics, they just should have focused a little more on gameplay from what I've heard!

[Pandamobile]

Why don't you play it for yourself before you judge the game play.

Everything about Crysis is just top notch.

[Syronicus]

Oh yeah, just replace the title "metro 2033" with the title "Haze"...

Look, I played Haze and thought the game was OK at best but you have to agree with one thing here... hype kills games in too many cases and to even begin hyping a game like this and pitting it against the visuals of Crysis is silly stuff.

[Nice]

Read the article before commenting acc to it the polygon count on a character's head in Crysis is 3k and in this game its close to that figure...so it MIGHT be visually stimulating like Crysis, the game is not jungle based to compare gameplay mechanics like Haze was pitted unnecessarily...Haze never looked as good as crysis...As a matter of fact I hate it when ppl compare Far Cry 2 and Crysis as well all jungle games are not the same..

[Syronicus]

People hyped Haze to be a the Crysis of consoles before Haze was in the Alpha stages. Obviously, before it hit store shelves they had to dumb it down due to performance issues with the game engine used. So with this game I will say the same thing, don't hype it up before the retail product hits the shelves or you could look equally as stupid as the idiots that hyped Haze up before it was released.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see all of this come to fruition but I refuse to be one of those people that hype a game they know little about just because of a few headshots and poly counts.

[FantasyStar]

Hype kills games. This "Metro 2033" is no different. Until it's in my hands and on my PC, it doesn't exist.

[nycredude]

I don't remember anyone in the media hyping Haze up to be graphically equal or even comparable to Crysis. If you can please post some links so I can read them. The only people hyping Haze up were the fanb0ys.

[TenSteps]

Yeah hype really can make or break any game and nycredude I found one... but only one

http://playstation.joystiq....

[DaTruth]

I also don't recall anyone comparing Crysis to Haze! I just remember fanboys like Nasim saying "Wait till teh Haze is released, 360 is gonna be teh dust". But back in those days this was a haven for 360 fanboys (which was anyone who couldn't afford a $600 Ps3 and was mad about it); The fanboys were just looking for something to grasp onto to fight the constant barrage of PS3 hate!

[Jonelo]

It is funny , because there is not today a PS3 version for this ukrainian game based in a russian novel - sounds like a console version to 360, but not for PS3 today - , focusing especially in the market of the CIS - and after in the West , THQ be the publisher in the West . And the article of skoar.com is about a the power of consoles and Crysis etc etc blabla bla bla

[MGOelite]

ive never heard of this game? is it exclusive to ps3 and pc and when it coming out

[clixx33]

Yeah seems like it. I don't think they could get that power on the 360. :P And it's weird that for once it's Ps3 and PC exclusive instead of Xbox and PC exclusive. This has peaked my interest. 0.0

[N4PS3G]

@Clixx33

well if you go tho the site and check on the news..there's an ad and i think i can see the xbox 360 logo at the bottom left

http://pic.ipicture.ru/uplo...

but you know ..thats just me

[GiantEnemyCrab]

It's 360/PC/PS3. This is well known and Official Xbox Magazine even have a nice article and story about the game. No release date or even window that I know of.

From what I've seen so far nothing is screaming Crysis level graphics.

[LightofDarkness]

It looks good, but has more of a UE3 style to it. The face in the pic looks a little goofy as well. Really not a lot to go on from this yet, so let's keep the hype train at the station until it has enough fuel...

[Christopher]

It's great to do some models that detail it, but throw it in the engine with everything else working and they'll have to backslide on the model/textures. They'll never equal up to what you can do on a PC. Just too many limitations, specifically GPU and overall processing power.

[raztad]

Raw processing power is NOT the problem in fact The Cell is more powerful than most CPUs out there. The real bottleneck is RAM availability and in some way GPU prowess.

[Christopher]

For a PC, raw processing process is very important because it's running more than just a game. You need the faster processing speed on both the chipset and the RAM, but you also need more processing power to handle more applications in tandem.

The primary element that PCs have over consoles are the GPU, though, which means they can render higher textures and particle effects faster than consoles, and most recent GPUs can also handle AI processing.

[Ju]

You hardly have anything running beside a game when you play. This CPU argument is mood. If - it might have timing issues, because the OS does not go to sleep and any background process (or IRQs) can take away the CPU at any time (but that adds to timing and latency and not how fast a game runs). Windows is no realtime OS, either.

The GPU argument might be correct, and the main reason is, that it would not work any other way. GPUs use a well defined abstracted interface (OpenGL or/and DX) and thus make PCs scalable (which is very important in such a dynamic market).

But, a console is different. GPUs are fixed functions, the OS is way closer to the metal then on PCs. The GPU is underpowered compared to top of the line PC GPUs. And that's why on a console you need to go different routes. If the GPU is not fast enough you need to squeeze that out somewhere else. I tend to believe the CELL gives you resources to do that. Moving the pipeline closer to the CPU (that's already done, particles were always close to the SPUs), vertex optimization, even texture pre-processing and all can all take away load from the GPU. Cells SPUs are vector monsters which can very much support the GPU a lot. It has a reason why they built it that way, because they knew the HW when designed had to survive a couple of years, while PC tech will continue to evolve.

[DaTruth]

You just explained exactly why PS3 has the edge against the 360; Good job! To bad skulls become 8 times as thick when justifying a purchase and this information will never penetrate. It will just be counteracted by "Teh multiplats".

[evrfighter]

Actually Ju just explained why it's just better to own a pc...

[N4PS3G]

Maybe i'm crazy but i found this in the Metro 2033 site news and its from 09

http://pic.ipicture.ru/uplo...

Its an ad of the game that shows the xbox 360 logo at the bottom left

sorry for the small pic..can't get it bigger

[Jonelo]

http://i4.photobucket.com/a...

[N4PS3G]

see i was right ..it was a 360 logo after all ..thanks for the bigger picture

[Jonelo]

All pictures and videos about this game are in PC . In Russia the PC is the 90 % of the market , and this game is about a russian best seller , first for the internal market . And I repeat, today not is a PS3 game , is a PC /360 game ;) and perphas never will be a PS3 version , at least in the moment of the launch. Basicaly , the comments of the article about PS3 / consoles /Cryengine 3 ...is vaporware

[ZOMBIEMAN1]

Metro 2033 The Last Refuge that's exclusive to PS3 but i don't care the game isn't on my radar

[JayX666]

Stop using google translator please, your attempt of creating an argument in fragmented english is jarring.

[ELite_Ghost]

that'd b pretty insane if it is true. They must have really talented devs over there.

[Barragan]

still trying to figure out what people keep saying its hard for ps3 for when ps3 has games that have erased it already

[Counter_ACT]

Never even heard of Metro 2033?

[Jonelo]

It is a game of the authors - developers creatives - of STALKER but in another company . The game designer and the author of the engine and another important people of the developement of STALKER.

It is based on a novel very popular in Russia

It is a traditional FPS, not a sanbox, but it has RPG elements, stealth, and decisions. The gameplay is more like a traditional FPS like Half life 2.

The engine is different from the Cryengine 2, is a deferred shading engine is an evolution engine STALKER. The aesthetics of the game is more like Gears of Wars and Fallout 3. The story reminiscent of Fallout

[Barragan]

if where going by LOOKS crysis is far from the best looking game even on ultra high, it looks good but i still am trying to see how its the "best" looking game

[Pandamobile]

Well, let's see.

* Real Time Lighting and Dynamic Soft Shadows:
CryENGINE® 2 features natural looking light sources, and creates soft shadows that dynamically respond to natural movements. It includes high-resolution, perspective correct and volumetric smooth-shadow implementations.

* Volumetric, Layer and View Distance Fogging:
Create clouds or fog banks which can hug the ground and realistically reduce both visibility and contrast, and properly interact with both dynamic lights and shadows, add depth and dimension to a landscape by reducing scene contrast and clarity for distant landmarks

* Terrain 2.5D Ambient Occlusion Maps:
On a per pixel level, approximates the amount of ambient (fill) light reaching an object (static or dynamic) depending on the amount of ambient occlusion created by the surrounding foliage and structures.

* Normal Maps and Parallax Occlusion Maps:
Normal maps are used to project the contour details of a highly detailed object onto a low polygon model by using a high frequency compressed (3DC/BC5) texture in place of the polygon's surface normal in lighting calculations. CryEngine2 also supports parallax occlusion mapping to give a greater sense of depth to a surface texture applied to a polygon, such as could be used to realistically emphasize the relief surface structure of a brick wall, for example.

* Screen Space Ambient Occlusion:
Provides a real time simulation of ambient light occlusion, so that the amount of ambient (fill) light which is applied when two surfaces that meet at an angle is reduced in order to simulate the natural darkening of edges and corners that happens in this case in the natural world, both indoors and out. By limiting the calculations to only the space within the current view frustum, a significant performance benefit is realized while still allowing for a very high quality result.

* Subsurface Scattering:
Simulates the diffusion and diffraction of light transmitted through translucent objects, like ice and jade; it can also be used to create natural looking skin or vegetation.

* Eye Adaptation & High Dynamic Range (HDR) Lighting:
Eye Adaptation is used to simulate the human eye's adaptation to sudden or extreme changes in lighting conditions, like dark indoor environments suddenly transitioning to bright sunny outdoor environments, while HDR allows scenes with extreme brightness and contrast ranges to be more realistically rendered.

* Motion Blur & Depth of Field:
Motion Blur is used to simulate the visual effect of using a slow shutter speed when tracking fast moving objects or making quick camera movements. Blur can be applied both to individual objects (object based motion blur), and/or to an entire scene (screen based motion blur), while Depth of Field can be used to focus the viewer's eye on a nearby object while subtly blurring objects in front or behind the point of focus.

* Light Beams & Shafts:
These are used to create visually stunning light beams and shadows when light intersects with solid or highly detailed geometry, and can generate 'godray' effects under water.

* High Quality 3D Ocean Technology:
Dynamically modifies the ocean surface based on wind and wave direction, generating shoreline soft-clipping breakers automatically where the ocean meets the shore, depending on the shoreline contour and ocean depth, while our caustic simulation creates realistic looking moving shadows and highlights in underwater environments.

* Advanced Shader Technology:
A script system used to combine textures and math in different ways to create unique effects such as cloaked, wet, muddy, and/or frozen surfaces which can be layered together and combined with more basic shaders such as metallic and glassy and other visual effects. Supports real time per-pixel lighting, bumpy reflections, refractions, volumetric glow effects, animated textures, transparent computer displays, windows, bullet holes, and shinny surfaces. Included are many unique new shaders which take advantage of the efficiencies of the unified shader architecture of DirectX 10.

* Terrain LOD Management Feature:
This feature allows optimal usage of CPU and memory to display closer objects and terrain at a fine level of detail while enabling long view distances of over 8 kilometers.

Not to mention the ridiculous size of the game's textures (1024 x 1024 grass and dirt textures)

So yeah.

[xdye017]

@barragan, keep dreaming.

[MGOelite]

hes right though? some of the water in uncharted 1 and some texture in killzone 2 do rival crysis?

[Pandamobile]

Hahaha...

Killzone 2 has crappy textures. The PS3 can only render a couple hundred MB of textures, shaders and geometry at once due to its severe lack of VRAM (256 MB compared to the standard of PC graphics cards that range from 512 MB to 2 GB.

I'd say the ugliest part of KZ2 is its textures.

[Gamer_Politics]

are you stupid?i havent any console game that can match Crysis on high settings...

[Pandamobile]

Yeah, let alone DirectX 10 very high settings...

[cyclindk]

The Revolver in Killzone 2 is 5500 polygons...

[Pandamobile]

And?

[cyclindk]

And... so did you read some of the statements in the article? The "and" shouldn't be necessary unless you're looking for some way to tout Crysis some more, a game, that when released, required much more expensive hardware to play at it's maximum than one would have to pay for any console...

I'd like to see a PC with comparable memory and processing power produce graphics like Killzone 2... I haven't seen one. If you had a PC with such "limitations" you would have to play most games on the lowest settings.

[Pandamobile]

The game requires so much power because it's rendering a gigantic island, a ridiculous amount of textures, fullscreen and per-object motion blur, and a metric sh1t-ton of high quality shaders.

[Jockamo]

...Sony loses another exclusive?

This game was hyped like in '06 if I remember correctly...too bad for Sony.

[OtherWhiteMeat]

Wasn't Bioshock a Xbox exclusive???? Since this game is going multi platform doesn't mean it's going to be any good.Making games for all 3 consoles is the best way for success. Just be happy your getting it.

[il-mouzer]

Another post-apocalyptic game, seriously?

[-DeathWraith-]

I thought this game was only for PC and PlayStation 3? When was it confirmed by the developers to be for Xbox 360 also?

Jockamo: I don't think Sony are all that bothered by this game being a multiplatform. [though I still haven't seen proof of this]

[Jonelo]

Never was "a exclusive " . A "third party exclusive" . In the summer of 2006 fansites needed exclusive games for PS3 and 4A games was a new and small studio the need plataforms for launch the game. But realy only in the West, because the book is a best seller in Russia and the game is focusing to the Russian market and PC . So even maybe there was not a developer kit of PS3 in 2006 in Kiev or CIS

The new about the PS3 has a source in a old note in the web of 4Agames in 2006 about the PC / PS3, but currently there is nothing of that. 4A games is a very small studio and has no time to do a simultaneous release on PC, PS3 and 360. And less than a decent PS3 version, like a exclusive game of PS3 - Killzone 2. Varporware and hype ;)

[free2game365]

If the game really does push visuals and all of that as much as they say it's going to be massively downgraded on consoles. To match Crysis visually you'd need to push texture quality to extremes and you just don't have the memory to do that on consoles. Crysis for example being a game that has a nearly 2GB memory wall and each console only having about 256MB of system memory.